View Full Version : Even if Floyd decides to trade and beat down Hatton. He still handpicked him..
Thats what all the haters are going to say. PBF can back Hatton and not "box (run to the haters) and he will just be critized for hand picking :rofl
Thread Stealer
11-09-2007, 01:18 AM
Floyd's ranked #1 p4p so naturally he'll get more criticism. His attitude makes it easier for people to knock him because they don't like him.
If Floyd loses, then watch the person who becomes #1 p4p get more criticism.
Manny gets some criticism but not that much, but if he gets the #1 spot, watch more and more people talk about how most of his recent opponents were coming off of losses.
chimba
11-09-2007, 01:27 AM
Floyd's ranked #1 p4p so naturally he'll get more criticism. His attitude makes it easier for people to knock him because they don't like him.
If Floyd loses, then watch the person who becomes #1 p4p get more criticism.
Manny gets some criticism but not that much, but if he gets the #1 spot, watch more and more people talk about how most of his recent opponents were coming off of losses.
If Manny beats a Mexican to get to p4p 1 he'll gets tons of criticism.
If he beats a non Mexican..not so much
Words
11-09-2007, 01:29 AM
If FLoyd mayweather goes toe-to-toe with Hatton and wins I'll wax my arse and film it for youtube. Floyd wins if he gets chance to box and move, Hatton wins if he gets chance to trade.
If FLoyd mayweather goes toe-to-toe with Hatton and wins I'll wax my arse and film it for youtube. Floyd wins if he gets chance to box and move, Hatton wins if he gets chance to trade.
Trade? No?
Wrestle and swing? Yes.
champianboxer
11-09-2007, 01:37 AM
If floyd pulls that shit he pulled against Golden boy I hope those titles are stripped from him, he started to trade with Del towards the end of the 12 an got caught, he does with hatton an he'll get knocked out
lillarry
11-09-2007, 01:47 AM
If floyd pulls that shit he pulled against Golden boy I hope those titles are stripped from him, he started to trade with Del towards the end of the 12 an got caught, he does with hatton an he'll get knocked out
Why would decide to trade with someone 10-15 pounds bigger. Why would he decide to dumb down his skills to satisfy most of the haters who want to seem him knocked out. This is boxing. The game is to "hit and not get hit". The other guy is obligated to make him open up and trade. If he dont have the skills to make that happen, thats on him
This isnt rockem sockem robots. You hit me, now Im going to hit you.
Trade? No?
Wrestle and swing? Yes.
Your bitching about people hating on Floyd and then turning around with the above comment and hating on Hatton as if he has no skill as a fighter other than to "wrestle and swing".
Lol at you bitching about Floyd not getting credit for beating a fighter who you claim just wrestles and swings. :nut:patsch
Words
11-09-2007, 01:53 AM
Trade? No?
Wrestle and swing? Yes.
Yeah, he does. If Floyd wants to go toe-to-toe with Hatton then he loses, that simple.
maciek4
11-09-2007, 01:56 AM
I dont like floyd but I apprieciate his choice of opponents, I always wanted to see him against Judah and Mitchell, Mitchell of course was too old but he fought him nevertheless. Now I want to see him against Hatton and Cotto/Mosley. After that, one more fight against a young lion like Paul Williams and he can retire.
Illmatic
11-09-2007, 01:58 AM
Why would decide to trade with someone 10-15 pounds bigger. Why would he decide to dumb down his skills to satisfy most of the haters who want to seem him knocked out. This is boxing. The game is to "hit and not get hit". The other guy is obligated to make him open up and trade. If he dont have the skills to make that happen, thats on him
This isnt rockem sockem robots. You hit me, now Im going to hit you.
Word.
champianboxer
11-09-2007, 01:58 AM
No this aint rockem sockem robots, but shit he does aint boxing. Lenoard/Hearns, Duran/Barkley, Bernard/Trinadad is boxing, the stuff floyed pulled in his recent fights aint boxing and Hatton is not 10-15 pounds bigger, hes actually smaller, look at the weight classes, hattons going up floyds going down
lillarry
11-09-2007, 02:01 AM
No this aint rockem sockem robots, but shit he does aint boxing. Lenoard/Hearns, Duran/Barkley, Bernard/Trinadad is boxing, the stuff floyed pulled in his recent fights aint boxing and Hatton is not 10-15 pounds bigger, hes actually smaller, look at the weight classes, hattons going up floyds going down
That why Floyd is going to beat that ass.:deal
champianboxer
11-09-2007, 02:11 AM
How can you even stand up for floyd, his fights are realy shitty, although at lightweight he was pretty good. Hatton may not be the best, but he sure in hell better than floyd
lillarry
11-09-2007, 02:27 AM
How can you even stand up for floyd, his fights are realy shitty, although at lightweight he was pretty good. Hatton may not be the best, but he sure in hell better than floyd
Im actually indifferent when it comes to Floyd. Not one of my favorite fighters but have enough knowledge of the sport to know that this is a "one of kind" special type fighters and is brilliant in what he does
Im just getting sick and tired of all the hating and dispectful comments day after day. Thread after thread. Give it a rest. This hate is starting to cloud ya judge and assesment of how good he really is.
Your bitching about people hating on Floyd and then turning around with the above comment and hating on Hatton as if he has no skill as a fighter other than to "wrestle and swing".
Lol at you bitching about Floyd not getting credit for beating a fighter who you claim just wrestles and swings. :nut:patsch
Did I ever say he just wrestles and swings?
I said thats the only way he will beat Floyd. :patsch
Did I ever say he just wrestles and swings?
I said thats the only way he will beat Floyd. :patsch
You just contradicted yourself.
If he can beat Floyd that way, he must do it in your mind.
You just contradicted yourself.
If he can beat Floyd that way, he must do it in your mind.
... How did I contradict myself? I said thats the ONLY way he can win. He can't box him, he can't trade with him. He can only hold and hit (wrestle) if the ref allows that, he can possibly win.
... How did I contradict myself? I said thats the ONLY way he can win. He can't box him, he can't trade with him. He can only hold and hit (wrestle) if the ref allows that, he can possibly win.
Dude you are so incredibly full of shit.
So you just out of the blue decided that holding and hitting may be a strategy for a Hatton win?
Your comment wouldnt have anything to do with the rub on Hatton that he clinches too much and rough houses opponents- you know the typical shit that Hatton haters say here on ESB?
Ok, so it was all a coincidence. Sure. :roll:
shelterr
11-09-2007, 03:06 AM
Anyone who says Hatton doesnt hit a hug never saw the Urango fight and anyone who says Mayweather doesn't run never saw the Baldomir fight. These are these fighters at their MOST displeasing extremes. I just hope that when fight time comes, they both fight to the best of their abilities. That being said...there's no way Floyd loses this fight. I watched Hatton struggle against Collazo at welterweight! I just hope that Floyd does trade with him because i think he can get the better of Hatton if he tries. If Mayweather expended 100% of his energy (unlike the 40% he expends agaisnt most opponents) he would roll Hatton up and smoke his ass. Bu he will probably fight smart and I can't blame the guy for wanting to have brain cells left when he retires filthy rich. It isn't us taking the punches...
Dude you are so incredibly full of shit.
So you just out of the blue decided that holding and hitting may be a strategy for a Hatton win?
Your comment wouldnt have anything to do with the rub on Hatton that he clinches too much and rough houses opponents- you know the typical shit that Hatton haters say here on ESB?
Ok, so it was all a coincidence. Sure. :roll:
... Yes it does deal with Hatton holding and hitting and rough housing illegally.
I dont think Hatton has a chance to beat Floyd. Floyd is just a better fighter all around. But I was just saying Hattons only shot would be to wrestle. Which how else do you see Hatton beating Floyd? Pressuring him? Sure but whens the last time someone did that REALLY effective. Castillo did in the first fight but not good enough obviously. And Floyd has gotten tremendously better and has not been pressured like that since then.
... Yes it does deal with Hatton holding and hitting and rough housing illegally.
Which I thought you just said you never claimed he does?
Which I thought you just said you never claimed he does?
What? I never said Hatton didn't hold and hit.
You are confusing me.
Anyone who says Hatton doesnt hit a hug never saw the Urango fight and anyone who says Mayweather doesn't run never saw the Baldomir fight. These are these fighters at their MOST displeasing extremes.
Agreed. My issue with Eze is that he doesn't like it when people hate on Mayweather for the runner stereotype but seems perfectly willing to hate on Hatton for the wrestler stereotype (but later deny that he did so).
What? I never said Hatton didn't hold and hit.
You are confusing me.
Lood at post #16... YOUR POST.
Unless your now claiming that "wrestles and swings" is different than "holds and hit".
Agreed. My issue with Eze is that he doesn't like it when people hate on Mayweather for the runner stereotype but seems perfectly willing to hate on Hatton for the wrestler stereotype (but later deny that he did so).
I never denied it. Your post confused me.
Yes I hate a little on Hatton (Im a fan of his) for holding and hitting.
But Im a bigger fan of Floyds. I get to hate on Hatton for holding and hitting even though I made a post about people hating on Floyd for his running. This is ESB. No matter how many times I post. People will always discredit Floyd for "Running". So I will discredit Hatton for his only chance to win against Floyd is to wrestle.
Is that Hattons only ability? No. But its his best chance.
platnumpapi
11-09-2007, 03:17 AM
hatton called out pbf, pbf was enjoying his retirement until hatton ran off with the mouth about him wanting pbf, pbf tryed to call is bluff but hatton was fa real so now the fight is on.
pbf will beat hatton, on the inside or outside.wide ud, ko or tko take ur pic.
Lood at post #16... YOUR POST.
Unless your now claiming that "wrestles and swings" is different than "holds and hit".
No Wrestling/Swinging is the same as holding and hitting. He roughs the person up, swinging them, bumping them with his shoulder. Constantly holding an arm.
I still dont get what you are getting on me for.
I never denied it. Your post confused me.
Yes I hate a little on Hatton (Im a fan of his) for holding and hitting.
But Im a bigger fan of Floyds. I get to hate on Hatton for holding and hitting even though I made a post about people hating on Floyd for his running. This is ESB. No matter how many times I post. People will always discredit Floyd for "Running". So I will discredit Hatton for his only chance to win against Floyd is to wrestle.
Is that Hattons only ability? No. But its his best chance.
If you want to hate on Hatton, fine.
But its a little ironic given the fact that the pretense of the thread is that people should not hate on Floyd so much.
If you want to hate on Hatton, fine.
But its a little ironic given the fact that the pretense of the thread is that people should not hate on Floyd so much.
And then I just read a post about Floyd running in a different topic. So I decided "fuck it, they wont even stop".
It wasen't that they shouldn't hate on him so much. But its what they will hate on him for. Like the Paul Spaddy sparring. Okay Floyd got beat, each side has an argument. Spaddy is out of jail and is starting his career back up. And he has never said anything about Floyd.
But with this. If Floyd wins, he handpicked Hatton. If he picked Cotto he dodged Hatton. If he picked Shane. He dodged Hatton.
People shouldn't hate on that. But they continue to do so.
And then I just read a post about Floyd running in a different topic. So I decided "fuck it, they wont even stop".
It wasen't that they shouldn't hate on him so much. But its what they will hate on him for. Like the Paul Spaddy sparring. Okay Floyd got beat, each side has an argument. Spaddy is out of jail and is starting his career back up. And he has never said anything about Floyd.
But with this. If Floyd wins, he handpicked Hatton. If he picked Cotto he dodged Hatton. If he picked Shane. He dodged Hatton.
People shouldn't hate on that. But they continue to do so.
Fair enough. :good
cuchulain
11-09-2007, 03:40 AM
If you want to hate on Hatton, fine.
But its a little ironic given the fact that the pretense of the thread is that people should not hate on Floyd so much.
Just because someone doesn't think highly of a boxer's skill doesn't mean he hates that boxer.
I believe, like eze, that the only way Ricky can win is by holding and wrestling and generally rough-housing. If youve watched his fights, it's impossible to deny that such tactics are a major part of his arsenal. Had the Tszyu fight been properly refed, I think Kostya would have won.
That said, Ricky is far more likeable and difficult to dislike than Floyd. I have no dislike for John Ruiz but I don't enjoy his style and feel that refs should be a lot stricter with him on the rules against holding.
There are fighters I like, but whose skill level I think is subpar. (Hatton, Ruiz, Valuev, Mayorga...) and there are fighters I don't much care for (hate is much too strong a word) but that I acknowledge as being very good (Mayweather and Toney).
Mayweather is a much better boxer than Hatton. I would like to see Ricky pull this off, but as eze says, the only way he can do it is ugly. I would give Ricky close to a 40% chance here.
Just because someone doesn't think highly of a boxer's skill doesn't mean he hates that boxer.
I believe, like eze, that the only way Ricky can win is by holding and wrestling and generally rough-housing. If youve watched his fights, it's impossible to deny that such tactics are a major part of his arsenal. Had the Tszyu fight been properly refed, I think Kostya would have won.
That said, Ricky is far more likeable and difficult to dislike than Floyd. I have no dislike for John Ruiz but I don't enjoy his style and feel that refs should be a lot stricter with him on the rules against holding.
There are fighters I like, but whose skill level I think is subpar. (Hatton, Ruiz, Valuev, Mayorga...) and there are fighters I don't much care for (hate is much too strong a word) but that I acknowledge as being very good (Mayweather and Toney).
Mayweather is a much better boxer than Hatton. I would like to see Ricky pull this off, but as eze says, the only way he can do it is ugly. I would give Ricky close to a 40% chance here.
I was never debating whether Ricky holds and hits.
As I said before, its just an issue of two great fighters who are hated on for 'running' and for 'wrestling', respectively.
While Floyd has hit and run, and Hatton has held and hit, it doesnt completely define them as fighters- although these two charachteristics have been the favorite calling card for haters of both.
I was just saying to Eze that if we are to stop discrediting Mayweather for running, we should not turn around in the same breath and discredit Hatton for wrestling.
Far as Im concerned, its a resolved issue and I said what I had to say.
Relentless
11-09-2007, 04:33 AM
floyd runs, just ask shane mosley.
Polymath
11-09-2007, 05:05 AM
This is the first time PBF has fought anyone roughly his own size for a while, I wouldn't be surprised to see him stand in the pocket and pop counters all nightt ala Ndou. Its gonna be a watchable fight.
reed_man02
11-09-2007, 05:17 AM
hatton called out pbf, pbf was enjoying his retirement until hatton ran off with the mouth about him wanting pbf, pbf tryed to call is bluff but hatton was fa real so now the fight is on.
pbf will beat hatton, on the inside or outside.wide ud, ko or tko take ur pic.
ha, ure one dumb-shut-yo-mouth. :yep
Hatton has a much, much greater chance at beating pbf than his groupies think. Hatton has the style to beat floyd with his strenght, chin, and pressure. If pbf thought castillo had some dirty tricks and great pressure, he aint seen nothin yet.:deal
Illmatic
11-09-2007, 10:05 AM
No this aint rockem sockem robots, but shit he does aint boxing. Lenoard/Hearns, Duran/Barkley, Bernard/Trinadad is boxing, the stuff floyed pulled in his recent fights aint boxing and Hatton is not 10-15 pounds bigger, hes actually smaller, look at the weight classes, hattons going up floyds going down
hatton is not smaller. PBF is going down in weight b/c he has the talent and skill to fight in 5 divisions. PBF even now that hes filled out is an 140 lber. 149 is his regular weight, even though he does sty in shape in between fights, so imagine if he weight drained to death like every other fighter does.
dangerousity
11-09-2007, 10:09 AM
Not really. Other than Cotto & Shane, Hatton is probably the most in demand to fight PBF. For me it is Hatton & Shane to fight PBF although Shane stands a bigger chance. I remember when this fight was such in demand and I think it still is.
Asterion
11-09-2007, 10:11 AM
This is a fight between two Champs, a Jr. Welterweight champ and a Welterweight champ, and anyone who doesn't like it can go to hell.
MacManJr.
11-09-2007, 10:15 AM
Floyd's ranked #1 p4p so naturally he'll get more criticism. His attitude makes it easier for people to knock him because they don't like him.
If Floyd loses, then watch the person who becomes #1 p4p get more criticism.
Manny gets some criticism but not that much, but if he gets the #1 spot, watch more and more people talk about how most of his recent opponents were coming off of losses.No way in hell anybody will get more criticism than Floyd.
BewareofDawg
11-09-2007, 10:22 AM
Thats what all the haters are going to say. PBF can back Hatton and not "box (run to the haters) and he will just be critized for hand picking :rofl
I'm waiting for the "But Floyd just fought at 150lbs, now he's picking on a smaller 140lber" excuse :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Actually I might use that one :think
PH|LLA
11-09-2007, 10:22 AM
If he decides to trade, then there's no way he'll beat down Hatton. Hell, there's no way Floyd will beat down Hatton period. Floyd is gonna win, but he is not gonna beatdown Hatton.
BewareofDawg
11-09-2007, 10:24 AM
No this aint rockem sockem robots, but shit he does aint boxing. Lenoard/Hearns, Duran/Barkley, Bernard/Trinadad is boxing, the stuff floyed pulled in his recent fights aint boxing and Hatton is not 10-15 pounds bigger, hes actually smaller, look at the weight classes, hattons going up floyds going down
OH--MY--GOD!!! There it is already!!! :admin :admin :admin :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Read my previous post....I swear I didn't even see this yet :lol:
koko of phil
11-09-2007, 10:42 AM
Floyd will never decide to trade punches, sure he's too fag to do such cos he know he might get caught by Hatton. If ever he get kd or worst, KOd by Hatton, I bet we'll see a lot more crying PBF after the fight. I'm not sure this fighter can afford to risk everything. Mayweather knows the consequence not only to his career but to himself and much more by knowing his unlikely attitude, I'm not sure he can handle such kind of embarassment. So it's funny for anyone to expect a brawling Floyd in fight night. He better stick to his usual running game plan to win a UD. :blurp
Im actually indifferent when it comes to Floyd. Not one of my favorite fighters but have enough knowledge of the sport to know that this is a "one of kind" special type fighters and is brilliant in what he does
Im just getting sick and tired of all the hating and dispectful comments day after day. Thread after thread. Give it a rest. This hate is starting to cloud ya judge and assesment of how good he really is.
:good :good
pretty much how I see too, I really don't care about the shit that he talks or what he says next , I could care less, but what I do look at is his work ethic in the Gym and his dedication to the sport which just about second to none right now.
love or hate bottom line, he is a student of the game.
196osh
11-09-2007, 12:17 PM
hatton called out pbf, pbf was enjoying his retirement until hatton ran off with the mouth about him wanting pbf, pbf tryed to call is bluff but hatton was fa real so now the fight is on.
pbf will beat hatton, on the inside or outside.wide ud, ko or tko take ur pic.
If u actually think that Floyd was actually retired then u have been soundly brainwashed. Also he will not stand and trade as he would get hurt and it would make the fight much harder than it needs to be he will stick and move to a UD, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Pimp C
11-09-2007, 01:09 PM
Why would decide to trade with someone 10-15 pounds bigger. Why would he decide to dumb down his skills to satisfy most of the haters who want to seem him knocked out. This is boxing. The game is to "hit and not get hit". The other guy is obligated to make him open up and trade. If he dont have the skills to make that happen, thats on him
This isnt rockem sockem robots. You hit me, now Im going to hit you.
Exactly! These haters want PBF to stand and trade with bigger men because they want him to lose period. Only a fool would stand and trade with someone 10-15 pounds bigger when they have the skills PBF does and no rational thinking person would argue against this.
BewareofDawg
11-09-2007, 01:14 PM
Exactly! These haters want PBF to stand and trade with bigger men because they want him to lose period. Only a fool would stand and trade with someone 10-15 pounds bigger when they have the skills PBF does and no rational thinking person would argue against this.
It's called effective aggression Pimp. Floyd fights with none of it. watch Leonard fight. He boxed, he moved, he made people miss. But when he had the opportunity to really hurt you, he turned it up and put it on you. Floyd doesn't.....or at least lately hasn't been.
Popshots
11-09-2007, 01:26 PM
Thats what all the haters are going to say. PBF can back Hatton and not "box (run to the haters) and he will just be critized for hand picking :rofl
Naturally, not only because he's p4p #1, but that simply what haters like to do "HATE". He could move up to HW, dominate WLadimir to capture the HW title and he'll still receive crticism. When you're number one, and do things your way as PBF has done you'll naturally receive criticism from a punch of so called boxing fans on the outside looking in.
LOl. Its so funny. If Floyd went in there and traded with Hatton and was too fast and Hatton could never land. Haters would say. He was too fast and didn't let Hatton hit him so they could really "trade". Lol.
Pimp C
11-09-2007, 01:49 PM
Floyd is a great fighter, but his willingness to fight toe-to-toe at times is part of the reason he gets criticized so much. All the great fighters have done this a tone time or another. This is the reason why he ever refused to fight Margarito. He dosen't want no part of a war in there so he handpicks his opponents.
Margo please, PBF would give Margo the boxing lesson of a lifetime. That windmill would air condition the arena against PBF with his wide looping missing shots all night long.:yep
Margo please, PBF would give Margo the boxing lesson of a lifetime. That windmill would air condition the arena against PBF with his wide looping missing shots all night long.:yep
Mayweather wouldn't break a sweat. All the fanning. Lol.:lol:
Pimp C
11-09-2007, 01:57 PM
It's called effective aggression Pimp. Floyd fights with none of it. watch Leonard fight. He boxed, he moved, he made people miss. But when he had the opportunity to really hurt you, he turned it up and put it on you. Floyd doesn't.....or at least lately hasn't been.
You missed one key part to my earlier post, 10-15 pounds, when PBF fights guys his own size he takes a lot more risks, going toe to toe, watch his fights against Mitchell, Zab at 147 Corely and Gatti at 140 Ndou at 135 I could go on and on. When you move up in weight like PBF has done you can't rely on power and brawling to beat naturally bigger men or you will be KOed. You must rely on the ability to outbox your opponents to be successful.:deal In the Hatton fight PBF will take more risks because Hatton is around his size.
Relentless
11-09-2007, 02:00 PM
ray leonard also fought guys way above his natural weight class
Pimp C
11-09-2007, 02:01 PM
Mayweather wouldn't break a sweat. All the fanning. Lol.:lol:
Yep people kill me with this whole Margo thing the guy is far to flawed and limited to beat someone as good as PBF, Williams showed you that. Margo is a counter-punchers wet dream and would eat counter-right hands all night long against the best counter-puncher in the sport, it's really that simple.
Relentless
11-09-2007, 02:02 PM
Margo please, PBF would give Margo the boxing lesson of a lifetime. That windmill would air condition the arena against PBF with his wide looping missing shots all night long.:yep
pbf let go of very easy money.....:-(
oh btw the air conditioning joke has become old, it was funny when who ever it was that first said it to bazooka.
Relentless
11-09-2007, 02:03 PM
Yep people kill me with this whole Margo thing the guy is far to flawed and limited to beat someone as good as PBF, Williams showed you that. Margo is a counter-punchers wet dream and would eat counter-right hands all night long against the best counter-puncher in the sport, it's really that simple.
wasn't it you who said williams will be tough for anyone to beat and you wouldn't blame floyd for ducking him?
Pimp C
11-09-2007, 02:06 PM
ray leonard also fought guys way above his natural weight class
SRL is also a much bigger man than PBF to begin with PBF started at 130 SRL at 140. Lets see SRL take on a legit SMW and see how aggressive he is.
ray leonard also fought guys way above his natural weight class
Rays natural class was 147.
Fighting at 160. And he had one fight at 165.Where he made a light heavyweight come down far too much in weight. And he somehow is credited for winning a light heavyweight title even though he never fought passed the Supper Middleweight limit.
And any fights passed that will be credited with Leonard was older. Look who he fought. Tommy Hearns who he got owned by. Roberto Duran both fighters way passed it. And then he lost x2.
Floyd is a natural 135. Hes fought at 154. Thats 19lbs North. Not 13 like Leonard.
Relentless
11-09-2007, 02:08 PM
de la hoya started at 135, using your logic isn't he and pbf the same?
pbf let go of very easy money.....:-(
oh btw the air conditioning joke has become old, it was funny when who ever it was that first said it to bazooka.
Yea but Baldomir and Margo were on the same level.
Baldomir carried easy status all over him such as Margo but Baldomir had more.
Margo was a lineal title later and a dollar shot.
Pimp C
11-09-2007, 02:08 PM
wasn't it you who said williams will be tough for anyone to beat and you wouldn't blame floyd for ducking him?
Yes I did but what Williams did to Margo wasn't anything special because Margo wasn't anything to begin with just hype. I also said as soon as Margo fought a B+ boxer he would lose and he did.
de la hoya started at 135, using your logic isn't he and pbf the same?
DLH also cut weight to the point of dehydration. DLH filled in to be a natural 147.
Relentless
11-09-2007, 02:09 PM
Yea but Baldomir and Margo were on the same level.
Baldomir carried easy status all over him such as Margo but Baldomir had more.
Margo was a lineal title later and a dollar shot.
couldn't he beat both and take 16.000.001?
Pimp C
11-09-2007, 02:10 PM
pbf let go of very easy money.....:-(
oh btw the air conditioning joke has become old, it was funny when who ever it was that first said it to bazooka.
I know it was funny and still is because I said it to him.:lol: BTW where the fuck is Bazooka?
couldn't he beat both and take 16.000.001?
Why should he go backwards in progress? (Title wise).
154lb Title w/ DLH or WBO Strap w/ Margo.
Hmm. Lets just go grab the WBO title :patsch
Margo was nothing more then a C+ B- fighter.
Relentless
11-09-2007, 02:11 PM
Yes I did but what Williams did to Margo wasn't anything special because Margo wasn't anything to begin with just hype. I also said as soon as Margo fought a B+ boxer he would lose and he did.
your not making sense, you say williams didn't do anything special and you also say you dont blame floyd if he ducks williams?
wasn't clottey and cintron b+ ?
If Margo was such an easy opponent to beat, then why didn't he just make the easy money? Becuase he knew Margo would have been the toughest opponent he would have ever faced. If Floyd is so unbeatable, then why dosen't he face Williams then?
Cause he signed to fight Hatton and Williams has never said anything about Floyd dodging him. And Williams knows hes not ready for Floyd. Thats why Williams is fighting Cintron.
Relentless
11-09-2007, 02:12 PM
Why should he go backwards in progress? (Title wise).
154lb Title w/ DLH or WBO Strap w/ Margo.
Hmm. Lets just go grab the WBO title :patsch
Margo was nothing more then a C+ B- fighter.
but isn't money mayweather all about the money?
he said it himself, he dont care about anything but money.
Pimp C
11-09-2007, 02:15 PM
your not making sense, you say williams didn't do anything special and you also say you dont blame floyd if he ducks williams?
wasn't clottey and cintron b+ ?
It makes plenty of sense. Williams is a stylistic nightmare for PBF and doesn't really bring anything to the table legacy wise and besides Cintron and Margo, Williams will be ducked by everyone else at 147 that matters.
Pimp C
11-09-2007, 02:24 PM
If Margo was such an easy opponent to beat, then why didn't he just make the easy money? Becuase he knew Margo would have been the toughest opponent he would have ever faced. If Floyd is so unbeatable, then why dosen't he face Williams then?
:-(
Margo would not have been the toughest and anyone that knows boxing knows this. Margo is too limted, he's slow, he's wide, he has horrible defense, he can't counter-punch, no jab, doesn't have great power, he has terrible plodding footwork and couldn't cut off a ring to save his life. The only thing this bum has is a good promoter who hyoed him as the next Hagler, stamina and chin, which is fine when you're facing someone who stands right infront of you but PBF wouldn't against Fraudarito. And before you say what about his workrate, that famous workrate would drop by 50% against PBF because he wouldn't find him with radar. This fight is as sure as PBF by wide UD as you can get in boxing.
Asterion
11-09-2007, 02:24 PM
but isn't money mayweather all about the money?
he said it himself, he dont care about anything but money.
Baldomir was for the same amount of money plus the Lineal title (not WBOgus).
And there's nothing wrong in being all about the money.
but isn't money mayweather all about the money?
he said it himself, he dont care about anything but money.
Oh you got me.
He got more money against Baldo and DLH he made double what he would of made against Margo. Damn.
No, Floyd just dosen't want to fight a fighter who could give Floyd his first defeat.
:patsch
Relentless
11-09-2007, 02:27 PM
Oh you got me.
He got more money against Baldo and DLH he made double what he would of made against Margo. Damn.
he would have made another 8 mill easily and it would have been a warmup to oscar.
Pimp C
11-09-2007, 02:28 PM
Baldomir was for the same amount of money plus the Lineal title (not WBOgus).
And there's nothing wrong in being all about the money.
Exactly! Relentless' hero Oscar is all about money.
Pimp C
11-09-2007, 02:30 PM
he would have made another 8 mill easily and it would have been a warmup to oscar.
Then haters like yourself would have said he never beat the man at 147 just like you say about him at 140.
Relentless
11-09-2007, 02:30 PM
Exactly! Relentless' hero Oscar is all about money.
pimp c's hero leonard ellerbe is all about floyds nuts, you envy him dont you?
Asterion
11-09-2007, 02:30 PM
Exactly! Relentless' hero Oscar is all about money.
God damnit, all fighters are all about the money. Oscar, Calzaghe, Cotto, Hopkins, etc.
Relentless
11-09-2007, 02:31 PM
Then haters like yourself would have said he never beat the man at 147 just like you say about him at 140.
no i meant after baldomir he could have taken on margo and made an easy 8 mill on the road to oscar.
he would have made another 8 mill easily and it would have been a warmup to oscar.
It wouldn't of been a warm up. It would of been a cooldown.
A fighter needs a warm up fight. Not a cooldown fight.
Asterion
11-09-2007, 02:32 PM
no i meant after baldomir he could have taken on margo and made an easy 8 mill on the road to oscar.
Problem is that Oscar only fights in May.
Maybe Floyd could have faced Margo after fighting Oscar. But Margo lost. :yep
Relentless
11-09-2007, 02:33 PM
It wouldn't of been a warm up. It would of been a cooldown.
A fighter needs a warm up fight. Not a cooldown fight.
then it would have been even easier!
why did floyd make a 'business' decision then?
Relentless
11-09-2007, 02:35 PM
EOSYzIKJFro
then it would have been even easier!
why did floyd make a 'business' decision then?
Cause he went straight for 15 mil instead of the 8 mil that Margo had.
And he wouldn't of had time to train for Margo and DLH. As DLH delayed negoiations a tad and Margo was coming off a fight. He would of needed to sign and get the contract done with Margo. Margo would need a month to heal from his fight. Then train for 2 months.
Floyd would of had less then 2 months exactly to prepare for Oscar. And thats if he didn't take anytime off after a fight with Margo and went straight into training.
Pimp C
11-09-2007, 02:38 PM
For all those weakness you say Margo has, he sure kept that belt a long time and had many fighters refusing to fight him. Top Rank offered PBF the most money out there before PBF decided to fight Baldomir.
And who did he beat at 147 all those years except a green Cintron? Nobody that's who his resume still sucks. Let me clue you in on something, PBF offered to fight Margo after Zab lost to Baldo because Baldo picked Gatti for his first defense instead of him but Margo turned him down to fight Shotgun Gomez on a BS PPV that did only 25K in buys.:deal
EOSYzIKJFro
Turns down 8 mil for another 8 mil and 1 dollar. And a Lineal Title or a WBogus strap.
Hmm. WHAT WOULD UP his level? WBogus Strap or Lineal title?
Pimp C
11-09-2007, 02:40 PM
There's the proof right there.
Give me a rational breakdown of how Margo could beat PBF...I would love to hear it.:roll:
Relentless
11-09-2007, 02:41 PM
i think i'll just believe shane mosley instead of internet bad boy eze.
"we're not fighting to prove to the boxing fans who the best is" :lol:
Pimp C
11-09-2007, 02:41 PM
EOSYzIKJFro
:lol: :rofl :lol:
Should I post a video of your boy Mosley saying he had to get his tooth fixed and take a vacation with his family instead of facing PBF?:yep
i think i'll just believe shane mosley instead of internet bad boy eze.
"we're not fighting to prove to the boxing fans who the best is" :lol:
He made more money against Baldomir what more do you want?
Relentless
11-09-2007, 02:42 PM
:lol: :rofl :lol:
Should I post a video of your boy Mosley saying he had to get his tooth fixed and take a vactaion with his family instead of facing PBF?:yep
do you want me to post a video of n'dou challenging floyd and floyd didn't even respond to that:hey
Pimp C
11-09-2007, 02:45 PM
Stop lying, PBF never offered Margo a fight. Margo offered PBF the fight. Margo dosen't have great names on his resume because the top fighters were ducking him.
You're new around here so I'm gonna cut you some slack, do yourself a favor and do a search it's been posted countless times here.:thumbsup
Pimp C
11-09-2007, 02:46 PM
do you want me to post a video of n'dou challenging floyd and floyd didn't even respond to that:hey
Post it I've never seen it.
Relentless
11-09-2007, 02:47 PM
thats BS Chimp C i'm waiting for proof too.
Of course he made more money against Baldomir, becuase he never faced Margo!!! Top Rank offered Floyd more money to fight him instead of fighting Baldomir.
FALSE.
Floyd made more money by fighting Baldomir then compared to what Margarito was offering.
Pimp C
11-09-2007, 02:48 PM
Of course he made more money against Baldomir, becuase he never faced Margo!!! Top Rank offered Floyd more money to fight him instead of fighting Baldomir.
Wrong again! PBF made more money facing Baldo, he got 8 mil plus PPV revenue not to mention the linear title.
Relentless
11-09-2007, 02:49 PM
Wrong again! PBF made more money facing Baldo, he got 8 mil plus PPV revenue not to mention the linear title.
but money mayweather would have made mo money if he had a cool down fight against margo, aint that right eZe?
Pimp C
11-09-2007, 02:50 PM
thats BS Chimp C i'm waiting for proof too.
Do your own research it's been posted many times over. BTW I'm waiting for the Ndou vid.:lol:
Relentless
11-09-2007, 02:51 PM
Do your own research it's been posted many times over. BTW I'm waiting for the Ndou vid.:lol:
you just wait im looking for the video, but i am also waiting for your proof, i searched and found nothing, you stupid liar, you would do anything to make another man look good.
He was only guarenteed 2 million against Baldomir and was guarenteed 8 million against Margo. So how the hell was he offered more money to fight Baldomir?
What? Are you crazy.
He made 8,000,001 against Baldomir.
but money mayweather would have made mo money if he had a cool down fight against margo, aint that right eZe?
Wrong. Unless you talking about taking the fight RIGHT after he fought Baldomir which then would of fucked up his fight date with Oscar. Making him lose out on 15 million.
So by fighting Margo after Baldomir would of been a loss in cash not a gain.
Pimp C
11-09-2007, 02:56 PM
you just wait im looking for the video, but i am also waiting for your proof, i searched and found nothing, you stupid liar, you would do anything to make another man look good.
There's no title thread saying PBF offers Margo fight. It's in the threads and it had links to back it up. Plenty of people here have seen it I'm not lying here.
Relentless
11-09-2007, 02:57 PM
Wrong. Unless you talking about taking the fight RIGHT after he fought Baldomir which then would of fucked up his fight date with Oscar. Making him lose out on 15 million.
So by fighting Margo after Baldomir would of been a loss in cash not a gain.
oscar fight was 6 months away, he could have beaten margarito very easily as you say without breaking a sweat.
Relentless
11-09-2007, 02:57 PM
There's no title thread saying PBF offers Margo fight. It's in the threads and it had links to back it up. Plenty of people here have seen it I'm not lying here.
surrrrrrreeeee
He made 8 mil with all the PPV revenues. Top Rank offered Margo 8 million and that's guarenteed money. Imagine how much more money PBF would have made if he would have just fought Margo instead.
Link? Proof?
oscar fight was 6 months away, he could have beaten margarito very easily as you say without breaking a sweat.
True it was 6 months away. But Margo was fighting a month after he fought Floyd. Which would make it fight 5 months. Then on top of that. Margo would need time off to recoup from a fight. Then they would fight 2 to 2 and half months after that. Leaving no time to recoup then prepare for Oscar.
joeboxer
11-09-2007, 03:01 PM
Thats what all the haters are going to say. PBF can back Hatton and not "box (run to the haters) and he will just be critized for hand picking :roflif you hand pick a guy who is top 10 p4p, thats not a good job of hand picking.
Relentless
11-09-2007, 03:03 PM
True it was 6 months away. But Margo was fighting a month after he fought Floyd. Which would make it fight 5 months. Then on top of that. Margo would need time off to recoup from a fight. Then they would fight 2 to 2 and half months after that. Leaving no time to recoup then prepare for Oscar.
i'm sure margo would have cancelled his other plans and oscar would have waited.
i'm sure margo would have cancelled his other plans and oscar would have waited.
Oscar would of found someone else for the Mega Cinco De Mayo bash. And Margo I doubt would of stopped in fight date with Clottey.
When, 5 years ago, you sure haven't proved anything.
It true, Margartios management team excuse for not excepting the fight was, they had promised Gomez a fight and where locked into a contract with a Hotel that was sponsoring the fight ..
whether there explanation was lagit or not ,don't know but those are the circumstances.
I don't know how to post stuff on this site, but google in floyd mayweather offered 8 million and it's the very first one.
Are you talking about [Only registered and activated users can see links]
Well there you have it, and it's the article right below it to.
I dont see where it says he would of made more with Margo. It just says he turned down 8 mil to not fight Margo.
Pimp C
11-09-2007, 03:21 PM
It true, Margartios management team excuse for not excepting the fight was, they had promised Gomez a fight and where locked into a contract with Hotel the was sponsoring the fight ..
whether there explanation was lagit or not ,don't know but those are the circumstances.
:good
I said he was offered more money than Baldomir, which is 8 million, unless someone proves otherwise, he was made a bigger offer to fight Margo than Carlos.
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Relentless
11-09-2007, 03:28 PM
:good
no proof what so ever
Lenoard Ellerbe said that Mayweather was making making 8 mill against Margo. Of course he is going to cover up for his boy Floyd, is he seriously going to diss his fighter and say he would make more money fighting Margo instead of Baldomir? Hell no. Leonard Ellerbee is arguably the biggest ass kisser in boxing history. Why in the hell would anybody listen to this guy? There is no proof in this article that says he is making 8 million.
The first line...
Mayweather advisor says PBF making $8,000,001 for Baldomir!
Lenoard Ellerbe said that Mayweather was making making 8 mill against Margo. Of course he is going to cover up for his boy Floyd, is he seriously going to diss his fighter and say he would make more money fighting Margo instead of Baldomir? Hell no. Leonard Ellerbee is arguably the biggest ass kisser in boxing history. Why in the hell would anybody listen to this guy? There is no proof in this article that says he is making 8 million.
Bob Arum also SAID he was offering. But thats just Bob Arum who doesn't like Floyd. Unless Arum had 8million on hand when he said that. Thens there no proof.
See where I am going with this?
There's a difference, many boxing writers have comfirmed that PBF was offered 8 million to fight Margo, no boxing writers have said that PBF was offered 8 million against Baldomir. Not even Dan Gossen said Floyd was offered 8 million to fight Baldomir, and that's his promoter.
Okay. No one has confirmed it, but no one has tried to trump it. Theres no need. He made more money against Baldomir. And he won a lineal title. And everything else that has happened proved Floyd made the smarter decision.
Illmatic
11-09-2007, 03:50 PM
It's called effective aggression Pimp. Floyd fights with none of it. watch Leonard fight. He boxed, he moved, he made people miss. But when he had the opportunity to really hurt you, he turned it up and put it on you. Floyd doesn't.....or at least lately hasn't been.
yes he did that....at welterweight. How did Leonard fight when he went to middleweight?
Illmatic
11-09-2007, 03:54 PM
He made 8 mil with all the PPV revenues. Top Rank offered Margo 8 million and that's guarenteed money. Imagine how much more money PBF would have made if he would have just fought Margo instead.
just stop it....heres some fuzzy math for ya
8 million + PPV sales (over 300k) + undisputed welterweight title
8 million + WBO title
:think......if titles dont matter and championships do, and fighters want to make more money, what would a fighter choose?
Illmatic
11-09-2007, 03:56 PM
Well of course he made the smarter decision to fight Carlos instead of Margo. But there was no need to fight Judah after he lost to Baldomir. If you are the p4p king then you are supposed to fight the best ou there, not a guy who just came off of a loss. He should have face Baldomir instead of Judah and then should have faced Margo. He would have made more money against Margo becuase more people wanted to see PBF fight Margo instead of Baldomir.
:patsch Mayweather had the fight with Judah all set up before he lost to Baldo, so he went through with it anyway since it was already worked out. Judah reduced his purse and they went through with it anyway.
Many dont remember that many people chose Judah to beat him b/c of the rarity of someone having a speed advantage over Mayweather, not to mention the power advantage.
Illmatic
11-09-2007, 03:59 PM
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Before PPV revenue: PBF 8 million, Baldo 1.6 million
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PPV revenue: 16.3 million from 325,000 sales.
196osh
11-09-2007, 04:03 PM
yes he did that....at welterweight. How did Leonard fight when he went to middleweight?
I think that in the Baldomir fight Floyd could have hit Baldomir anytime he felt like doing it tbh. But instead of hitting him with alot of effective punches and mabye even forced a stoppage due to accumulation, he coasted .
Not that there is anything wrong with that. It would just look better and make him more fan friendly if he just let his hands go a bit more, when he clearly could have, with not alot of added risk.
no proof what so ever
The interview where Margarito's manager explains the situation was on youtube , Im not sure if it still there or not.
Illmatic
11-09-2007, 04:16 PM
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Before PPV revenue: PBF 8 million, Baldo 1.6 million
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PPV revenue: 16.3 million from 325,000 sales.
PROOF IS RIGHT HERE bitches...
More people wanted to see PBF fight Margo instead of Baldomir. So there would have been more PPV buys if he decided to fight Margo instead. You must have forgot the part where Top Rank offered PBF 8 million to take the fight!!!!:patsch
You dont know that for sure. And PBF made more money by fighting Baldomir anyway.
More people wanted to see PBF fight Margo instead of Baldomir. So there would have been more PPV buys if he decided to fight Margo instead. You must have forgot the part where Top Rank offered PBF 8 million to take the fight!!!!:patsch
NO wrong ESPN Brian Kenny Strongly criticized Floyd for fighting Zab instead of the True 147 king Baldomir , As well as other boxing critics thought that floyd should have fought Baldi ..
Top rank originally offered Floyd 6 mill and then told Floyd to take or leave it , Arum then made the announcement that the deal was off the table but quickly back peddled after, the Zab fight did good numbers and Baldi KOed Gatti and the fact that Baldi turned Margartio down to land a deal with floyd and 1.5 million dollar payday.
Thats when Arum offered floyd 8 mill baldi and company countered with 8mil and the true world recognized 147 pound champion .
pipe wrenched
11-09-2007, 08:26 PM
I know it was funny and still is because I said it to him.:lol: BTW where the fuck is Bazooka?
I just asked the same question in a thread asking where's Requiem4Science. Both have been MIA for a minute.
Proof that Top Rank offered PBF 6 million.
it documented google it. if you don't know that then you have not been following the saga of Arum vs Floyd and maybe you should stop now . because you don't know what your talking about..
Margarito's Eager But Floyd's "making excuses already"
By Scoop Malinowski
"It made me even more sure I can knock this guy (Mayweather) out."
July 29th is the date that has been set aside for the big Floyd Mayweather-Antonio Margarito IBF/WBO Welterweight unification pay-per-view showdown.
Boxinginsider.com asked Margarito manager Sergio Diaz how the negotiations for that eagerly-anticipated clash are coming along. It seems not so well.
"I do know Floyd's making excuses already," said Diaz by phone from Los Angeles on Friday. "He's saying he's leaving the decision up to his people, he's talking about his hand hurting."
When Top Rank promoter Bob Arum offered the Mayweather fight opportunity to Team Margarito, Diaz said, "We got excited. Antonio is ready to fight anybody at the top. Anybody. But other fighters don't want to step in with Antonio. Bob Arum has made offers to Mosley, Vargas, Hatton (in the beginning of 2006), Winky Wright - he didn't want that fight either, and Zab Judah - before he lost to Baldomir."
Diaz also stated that Arum has made previous substantial offers to the Mayweather camp to fight Margarito. "Arum offered pretty big money to Floyd - around $6 million. For some reason Floyd keeps saying, Who's Antonio? That he's not on my level. Who has he fought? Why doesn't he want to fight Antonio? The money is there. He should be fighting Antonio. He'll make more for fighting Antonio than he made for Judah ($5 million)."
Hey, $6 million is more than $5 million...What about Floyd's signature catchphrase, "If it makes dollars it makes sense"? Were we hearing hypocricy? Can the pound-for-pound best fighter in the world be a hypocrite?
Diaz made it crystal clear the Margarito camp is not stalling the Mayweather fight from happening because of money issues. "We're not demanding the big money. Antonio wants the name opponent. After the big win, the money will come after."
When asked why the just-turned 28-year-old Antonio Margarito seems so supremely confident about conquering the unbeaten pound-for-pound icon, and if the Mexican sees flaws in Mayweather that the rest of us don't, Diaz revealed the following. "Antonio is very confident he can beat Floyd. He says he will knock Floyd out. With pressure. Pressure."
Talk about true confidence and not redundant trash talk blathering...Diaz just gave away the Margarito playbook for how they plan on beating Floyd!
Margarito could not be in Las Vegas last Saturday because a family member was involved in a tragic car accident. But Margarito watched Mayweather struggle with Judah on TV and is now more confident than ever he will leave Floyd destroyed.
"With the little pressure that Zab put on Floyd, Floyd got a little bit lost," said Diaz about Margarito's observations of Mayweather-Judah. "Mayweather was never pressured like that by a bigger fighter. Now Antonio is even bigger and stronger then Zab Judah. Antonio is much bigger and much stronger, and he carries a stronger punch.
Antonio, his confidence, just got even bigger. After watching (Mayweather-Judah) he told me, 'It made me even more sure I can knock this guy out.' In fact, Antonio says, 'I would not be surprised if Mayweather doesn't take the fight with me. But the people should know why he's not fighting me - because he's afraid to get in the ring with me.'"
When asked when was Margarito's last real loss, he mentioned the controversial Daniel Santos match which was prematurely stopped, but when asked again, When was Margarito's last REAL loss. Diaz said, "Was when Antonio was 18-years-old in Culver City - Rodney Jones. Ten years ago. This was a fight Antonio took at the last minute. He lost a unanimous decision."
Before closing the interview, Diaz wanted to add one more comment which was aimed at critics who constantly question Margarito's status and the marquee value of his opposition. "Antonio has never had the luxury of picking his opponents. He doesn't take anything for granted. He's dedicated to his business. He fights whoever the promoter tells us to fight. Except for Baldomir but Baldomir didn't take the fight. Our promoter tells us when and where we're fighting and we just get ready and go there. Floyd has picked all of his fights."
Now Floyd has a big decision to make. The timing is right for Floyd vs. Margarito. Everyone wants it, including Bob Arum. Will Floyd or won't Floyd pick Antonio Margarito as his next fight? As the self-proclaimed pound-for-pound best boxer on the planet and one of the best of all-time, Floyd Mayweather has a higher standard to upkeep. Floyd has an obligation to the sport to take on the best competition. If Floyd were to back down from the $6 million and Antonio Margarito on July 29th so as to not take any dangerous risks with potential big paydays looming against Hatton, De La Hoya and Cotto, the boxing media and fans may have to disqualify Floyd from his pound-for-pound perch.
If Floyd were to agree to fight Margarito on July 29th, he should be commended enormously. And the great sport of boxing would have another reason to celebrate in 2006. As a fascinating showdown between the contrasting styles of the flashy and technically brilliant Mayweather against the powerful and relentless Margarito would be an aesthetic and artistic masterpiece for sure.
Boxinginsider.com will be watching this situation closely. Stay tuned as next week we will speak with "The man nobody wants to fight" himself, Antonio Margarito.
Then why the hell does it sy PBF offered 8 million by Top Rank and that proves my point that there was absouletly no reason to face Judah. Margarito was a more money fight.
Again you must be schooled , The Zab fight was already a go and agreed upon, and sigh for, all Zab had to do was get by Baldi . After that didn't happen Brian Kenny and other boxing critics cried injustice on behalf of Baldi and demanded Floyd face Baldi if he ever wanted to be the legitimate 147 champion .
Margario was a non-factor the WBO was a non- factor .. Baldi was the true Welter weight champion and Zab was obligated renegotiated contract deal ..
you ask for proof that Arum offered 6 mill you got it.
I used Scoop Malinowski for legitimacy of the article since he is one of Floyd biggest haters, but he does state that Arum offered floyd 6 mill and other article stating Arum saying the deal was off.
Again you must be schooled , The Zab fight was already a go and agreed upon, and sigh for, all Zab had to do was get by Baldi . After that didn't happen Brian Kenny and other boxing critics cried injustice on behalf of Baldi and demanded Floyd face Baldi if he ever wanted to be the legitimate 147 champion .
Margario was a non-factor the WBO was a non- factor .. Baldi was the true Welter weight champion and Zab was obligated renegotiated contract deal ..
you ask for proof that Arum offered 6 mill you got it.
I used Scoop Malinowski for legitimacy of the article since he is one of Floyd biggest haters, but he does state that Arum offered floyd 6 mill and other article stating Arum saying the deal was off.
So basically Floyd stuck with his plans that he was orignally going through with, which led to a big payday against Baldomir and the lineal title.
cuchulain
11-09-2007, 09:53 PM
Anyone on this forum any length of time knows I don't care much for Floyd. (Immature, spoiled, insecure, disrespectful etc.)
However, at the moment, he is the best boxer fighting today. He would most likely beat anyone currently fighting between 140 and 154. IMO, Oscar and Shane are the only guys I would give a good chance (though still short of 50% chance).
The others, Williams, Margarito, Hatton, .... 5-10 % chance.
Like him or not, he's in a league of his own, for now.
SteveO
11-09-2007, 10:20 PM
Thats what all the haters are going to say. PBF can back Hatton and not "box (run to the haters) and he will just be critized for hand picking :rofl
Everyone who hates Floyd will never like him.
The contract for Judah and PBF was ready to go and all Judah had to do was get by Baldomir which he did not so that means PBF did not have to fight Judah after Baldomir. He could have faced Baldo or Margo instead and have had a bigger payday. He could have faced Margo for a more meaningful title than Judah for his tainted tile and made more money fightng Margo.
Nope the contract was done , and king just renegotiated the contract , and again for the umpteenth time Maragarito and the WBO was a non factor.
The only player that mattered was Baldi and Zab. Arum tried to get land the fight with baldi after he defeated Zab and Gatti , which is why he retracted his offer to floyd for 6mil after bali turned him down and informed everyone that he only wanted floyd , arum then tried renegotiate with floyd and up the purse to 8 mil after he had stated that he didn't need floyd and no way would he pay any fighter over 6 mill for a fight of this caliber.
bottom line is Floyd didn't Arum or Margarito and if thats not proof enough for you , just do a who's who and where are they now , on both floyd and margarito's career ..
So basically Floyd stuck with his plans that he was orignally going through with, which led to a big payday against Baldomir and the lineal title.
yup pretty much , and he was able to increase his purse and he was able to increase his purse by 1/3 each fight if not more .
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