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THN

11-10-2007, 11:50 AM

What I mean is that Kessler will come out stronger after fighting Joe,
he lost fair and square, but it was'nt like he was outboxed, he was in the fight til the end, finishing winning round 12.
The Kessler time has just begun!

Decebal

11-10-2007, 11:51 AM

What I mean is that Kessler will come out stronger after fighting Joe,
he lost fair and square, he was in the fight til the end, finishing winning round 12.
The Kessler time has just begun!

Indeed...:yep

pipe wrenched

11-10-2007, 11:51 AM

He wasn't outboxed?

warrior85

11-10-2007, 11:51 AM

i agree he was always in the fight&he'll come back stronger but he was clearly outboxed.

China_hand_Joe

11-10-2007, 11:51 AM

Or he may have had his mentality completely destroyed. Lets hope not though.

PH|LLA

11-10-2007, 11:52 AM

he was in the fight until the 9th was over, at that point it was pretty obvious that JC was gonna win.

But it was a competitive fight and also it was in Calzaghe's back yard so thats a pretty big deal as well.

Decebal

11-10-2007, 11:53 AM

sean

11-10-2007, 11:54 AM

i think THN means he was not given a beating and was in the fight all the way to the end which he was.

i think kessler should wait around at 168 fight for a vacant title in march and then wait for pavlik taylor 2 winner to step up to 168.

THN

11-10-2007, 12:01 PM

PH|LLA

11-10-2007, 12:03 PM

Who are you favourite boxers at the moment? How about at SMW...?

1. BHOP
2. Pacquiao
3. Kessler
4. Calzaghe
5. Floyd
6. Alcine

at SMW Kessler is my fave
2. Calzaghe
3. Pascal
4. Bute

Pimp C

11-10-2007, 12:10 PM

Kessler is still very good. I like what I saw out of him he was just up against an ATG at 168 in Calzaghe.

Decebal

11-10-2007, 12:11 PM

1. BHOP
2. Pacquiao
3. Kessler
4. Calzaghe
5. Floyd
6. Alcine

at SMW Kessler is my fave
2. Calzaghe
3. Pascal
4. Bute

:good

Bodysnatcher

11-10-2007, 12:57 PM

I think Kessler is a monster, he was fairly and convincingly beaten but he'll bounce back and become something special.

I'd love to see him fight in the States.

Bill Butcher

11-10-2007, 12:59 PM

mattress

11-10-2007, 05:46 PM

Calzaghe ruined Kessler. Don't expect the Dane to make any more marks in boxing.

I think, and hope, your wrong. Kessler is a top fighter and has a lot to offer the game. Personally I think he'll clear up at SMW, once he realises that no-one at 168 would have beaten JC on that night.

Good luck MK.

Mindspring

11-10-2007, 05:55 PM

I think the buzz about Kessler is over. He is good, but not as good as eveyone said. Frankly, I think he's been exposed and won't get the notoriety he enjoyed with the ZAG fight hype.

Decebal

11-10-2007, 05:56 PM

I think the buzz about Kessler is over. He is good, but not as good as eveyone said.

Well, people said he was the second best...and he still is...he is by quite a bit better than the rest...

heidegger

11-10-2007, 06:04 PM

Joe is a great fighter. Kessler fought a very compeditive fight with him and lost. That nothing to be ashamed of.

chimba

11-10-2007, 06:09 PM

In two years he'll be known only as "That German Dude"

Polymath

11-10-2007, 06:14 PM

In two years he'll be known only as "That German Dude"

By people with a poor grasp of geography?

chimba

11-10-2007, 06:17 PM

By people with a poor grasp of geography?

yep but a good grasp of boxing:good

PavlikPoundsYou

11-10-2007, 06:22 PM

He got dominated, and that's from a guy that expected him to win. Calzaghe just owned on him. I expected Calzaghe to get exposed, but Kessler clearly was.

heidegger

11-10-2007, 09:26 PM

He got dominated, and that's from a guy that expected him to win. Calzaghe just owned on him. I expected Calzaghe to get exposed, but Kessler clearly was.

I dont know how you can say that. Just looking at the score cards, 116 112 is not a 'domination' by any means. Calzaghe got on top in rounds 9-11, before that the fight was always in the ballance, both in terms of scoring and KO's. In fact if it wasnt for Calzaghes inhumanly granite chin, the fight could have been over half way through. I doubt many boxers could have taken the bombs that that Kessler landed on him and remained conscious, let alone standing. That was the difference. Calzaghe did and thats why he's the champ. There was no domination. It was a fight between two great fighters in which the better guy won. Niether boxers or their respective fans should be dissapointed.

THN

11-10-2007, 09:30 PM

I dont know how you can say that. Just looking at the score cards, 116 112 is not a 'domination' by any means. Calzaghe got on top in rounds 9-11, before that the fight was always in the ballance, both in terms of scoring and KO's. In fact if it wasnt for Calzaghe inhumanly granite chin, the fight could have been over half way through. I doubt many boxers could have taken the bombs that that Kessler landed on him and remained conscious, let alone standing. That was the difference. Calzaghe did and thats why he's the champ. There was no domination. It was a fight between two great fighters in which the better guy one. Niether boxers or their respective fans should be dissapointed.

My point :good

yesihavearm

11-10-2007, 09:37 PM

heidegger

11-11-2007, 03:14 AM

Bullshit, Kessler won 2 rounds at most.

The only round I could cleanly give him was Round 4. And he probably would have been knocked down in round 8 if it werent for that dumbass referee. He got given a boxing lesson.

Having said that, I was impressed with Kessler as a person, the way he handled himself etc...im now a fan and think he can do well once Calzaghe's gone.

Really. So dispite the fact that the Judges at cardiff stadium scored the fight 116 - 112, you in your infinte wisdom assert that Kessler only one or two rounds?

Idiot.

Merengue

11-11-2007, 05:40 AM

Kessler will be a better fighter for it. He was head hunting throughout and had he gone for the body, it might have been a different result. Kessler is an excellent fighter but Calzaghe was too clever for him.

youthmann

11-11-2007, 05:43 AM

Kessler lost to a better mann that day - fit and nothing to question...

But as Eubank says - I real champ needs to loose to get better - to grow bigger, wiser and stronger. I hope MK has the mentally strenght to do that.

Kessler is still my nr. 1 favorite in SMW - but I must really admit that JC is my number 2 now. JC deserves all the luck in the future to get a good career ending. I just hope he gets to meet the absolute bests - Hopkins, Kelly, Dawson, etc.. I think JC should only show interest in Froch, inkin and bute if anyone of them beats Kessler. I don't think the will.

boxfan99

11-11-2007, 05:44 AM

I think the buzz about Kessler is over. He is good, but not as good as eveyone said. Frankly, I think he's been exposed and won't get the notoriety he enjoyed with the ZAG fight hype.

:patsch There is only one boxer who have won more rounds against Calzaghe than Kessler did, how does that make Kessler exposed? Or are you one of those people who think that when a boxer has lost a fight, then he is automatically exposed?:roll:

majorer

11-11-2007, 08:47 AM

Calzaghe ruined Kessler. Don't expect the Dane to make any more marks in boxing.

No no no . I have seen interviews with him on danish television. He does not seem devestated at all. Not at all.
Look at the post fight interviews on HBO also. Even there, right after the fight, he didnt seem that down.

It is not at all like with lacy who was really taken back mentally.

And there is a really good reason for that.

He was not at all beaten like lacy. He did loose the fight but not by as much as the 3 judges had it. And certainly not as much as the HBO guy. Lederman ?

I have watched the fight two times now and I only get it 2 points to Calzaghe.
I watched it with no sound. It actually makes quite a difference as to how you perceive the fight. Every time Calzaghe blinked an eye the crowd went wild. And Lederman and at least the judge that had it 117-111 went wild with them.

And if you judged by heavy punched landed, which I am not saying that you should but if you did, Kessler would win.

And dont be confused about Kesslers swollen eye. Calzaghe is a dirty fighter as opposed to Kessler. Maybe it was some of Calzaghes open hand punches that ripped up on that eye.
Also Calzaghe was using his open hand hitting/slapping technique to get to the backside of MIkkels head.
So if Kessler will come back is an open question. But if he doesnt it is not because he is mentally devastated from this fight.

The interviews that I saw I got the impression that he was like scratching his head as if he was trying to find a reason as to why he lost this chess game. Wich he believed that he would win, despite having studiet Joes treatment of Lacy and others.
He was not at all shaken. It was not like he was knocked out by MIke Tyson.

sthomas

11-11-2007, 09:54 AM

Joe Louis brutal KO by Schmelling I is the blueprint for coming back stronger, and then some, after a loss.

Kessler should come back stronger and more motivated than ever. It's not like he got thrashed, he just got beat in a competitive fight with a great champ. If he doesn't come back strong I'd be very surprised and disappointed.

I can't think of any off the top of my head, but who are some highly rated fighters who lost similar to Kessler, at prime fighting age, and then went downhill fast from there..

THN

11-11-2007, 10:51 AM

I think you should change your username to

yesihavenobrain

:D :D :good :D :D

Mindspring

11-11-2007, 11:08 AM

:patsch There is only one boxer who have won more rounds against Calzaghe than Kessler did, how does that make Kessler exposed? Or are you one of those people who think that when a boxer has lost a fight, then he is automatically exposed?:roll:

No, I am not. This guy was heralded as the next champ and then he loses a unanimous decision to a 35 year-old champ with eroding skills.
Actually, I'd like to see Kessler surprise me and come back strong, but he ain't going to be doing that staying in Copenhagen. How was he able reach his so called A-level status while avoiding American fighters, anyway? I think there was a little hype.
He should fight Hopkins or Pavlik next, and if he wins, I'll join his and your camp.

Decebal

11-11-2007, 11:36 AM

No, I am not. This guy was heralded as the next champ and then he loses a unanimous decision to a 35 year-old champ with eroding skills.
Actually, I'd like to see Kessler surprise me and come back strong, but he ain't going to be doing that staying in Copenhagen. How was he able reach his so called A-level status while avoiding American fighters, anyway? I think there was a little hype.
He should fight Hopkins or Pavlik next, and if he wins, I'll join his and your camp.

:-(

Hmmm...Kessler was a Champion, although Calzaghe was rightfully Champ.

Calzaghe is in most ways a better boxer than he was in his prime, 5-6 years ago.

Kessler has travelled a lot - he fought Beyer and Mundine away from home...

He also fought Andrade, who is classed as American, because he fights there...

boxfan99

11-11-2007, 11:45 AM

No, I am not. This guy was heralded as the next champ and then he loses a unanimous decision to a 35 year-old champ with eroding skills.
Actually, I'd like to see Kessler surprise me and come back strong, but he ain't going to be doing that staying in Copenhagen. How was he able reach his so called A-level status while avoiding American fighters, anyway? I think there was a little hype.
He should fight Hopkins or Pavlik next, and if he wins, I'll join his and your camp.

Why should he fight the American fighters when they are not the best at SMW? Just because they are American? Last I checked Pavlik was a MW and Hopkins fought at LHW.;)

Decebal

11-11-2007, 12:22 PM

[quote=Decebal]

Kessler has travelled a lot - he fought Beyer and Mundine away from home...
/quote]

He fought Beyer in Copenhagen,but ok,you can say it is away from home,Kessler live in Monaco :yep:yep

My bad!:oops: Thanks for that!:good

Mindspring

11-11-2007, 12:42 PM

Why should he fight the American fighters when they are not the best at SMW? Just because they are American? Last I checked Pavlik was a MW and Hopkins fought at LHW.;)

C'mon. Pav can move up and Hop can come down. They are the two fighters he needs to fight.
Let's see how good he is with quality punchers. If he beats either one, I'm in his camp.
You Kess guys are soooooo...sensitive:yep .

boxfan99

11-11-2007, 12:59 PM

C'mon. Pav can move up and Hop can come down. They are the two fighters he needs to fight.
Let's see how good he is with quality punchers. If he beats either one, I'm in his camp.
You Kess guys are soooooo...sensitive:yep .

I would love to see him fight either Pavlik or Hopkins (easy way to become famous in America in my opinion), but to be honest I couldn't care less whether or not you are in his camp as you call it.:yep

Mindspring

11-11-2007, 01:30 PM

I would love to see him fight either Pavlik or Hopkins (easy way to become famous in America in my opinion), but to be honest I couldn't care less whether or not you are in his camp as you call it.:yep
Man, don't lock me out, I really want be in his camp.You really know how to hurt a guy.

Fallow

11-11-2007, 02:44 PM

Kessler didn't lose, but Joe was the only winner.

lol

majorer

11-11-2007, 03:43 PM

No, I am not. This guy was heralded as the next champ and then he loses a unanimous decision to a 35 year-old champ with eroding skills.
Actually, I'd like to see Kessler surprise me and come back strong, but he ain't going to be doing that staying in Copenhagen. How was he able reach his so called A-level status while avoiding American fighters, anyway? I think there was a little hype.
He should fight Hopkins or Pavlik next, and if he wins, I'll join his and your camp.

Do you think he is avoiding americans fighters ? His biggest dream is to fight in America. Where have you been ?

boxfan99

11-12-2007, 02:27 AM

Man, don't lock me out, I really want be in his camp.You really know how to hurt a guy.

:lol:

Why do I suspect you couldn't care less.;)