How does Hatton overcome height & reach disadvantages against PBF?

[Ring Master]

I really believe this fight will be made.

I wish to dicuss the keys of victory for this fight.

How do you guys think Hatton will cope with the size and more importantly the reach disparity? (i think the handspeed and reach combo is going to be the downfall for hatton.)

[josak]

I really believe this fight will be made.

I wish to dicuss the keys of victory for this fight.

How do you guys think Hatton will cope with the size and more importantly the reach disparity? (i think the handspeed and reach combo is going to be the downfall for hatton.)

Don't forget Hatton is pretty fast as well. He's going to have to the stay on the inside, cut off the ring and go to the body. Fortunately for him, this is exactly his style, and that's bad for Mayweather.

[1-Ton]

Don't forget Hatton is pretty fast as well. He's going to have to the stay on the inside, cut off the ring and go to the body. Fortunately for him, this is exactly his style, and that's bad for Mayweather.

Good summary; I agree.

[Jack]

Hatton doesn't fight at range, so it shouldn't be a disadvantage. If Joe Frazier fought Nikolai Valuev, do you think Frazier would be kept at range? Of course not. Henry Armstrong could fight Mark Breland, but he's still be within a punching distance at all times.

Height and reach is only an advantage if the styles dictate it to be. Hatton being smaller won't mean a thing against Floyd.

[thewoo]

He would have to be willing to take 3 to land one and unfortunatly he woul dhave to do some holding. WHen he gets inside he would have to grapple and stay in there

[Jennifer Love Hewitt]

How to beat height and reach:

1. Timing... okay Floyd has good reflexes, so thats out.

2. Activity...bingo! The swarmer can beat the boxer. Just keep chasing and keep throwing your hands. Floyd will keep running away and maybe you get a decision based on agression or a possibly stoppage if a good shot gets trhough. (this is the best bet, but Floyd is really good at running, so even with this strategy, Hatton is an underdog)

[nulty]

Well hatton needs non stop pressure. Also don't underestimate his speed, in fact his manager hobson has already said that if they fight was at 147 the might bring ricky in light so as not to compromise his speed depending on how his body develops over a full training camp for 147. In short Hattons speed is incredibly underrated as is his subtle head movement. He can get on the inside and slow down PBF by getting to his body. (As regards the last part there I said that in 2005 and my opinion hasn't changed).

[BobDigi5060]

Bodyshots and pressure. He'll do fine taking Floyd's shots and all but its his skin that I'm worried about. I'd like to see his skin hold up for 12 rounds but I don't see Ricky scoring enough points in the process.

Floyd wins.

[Ring Master]

Don't forget Hatton is pretty fast as well. He's going to have to the stay on the inside, cut off the ring and go to the body. Fortunately for him, this is exactly his style, and that's bad for Mayweather.

Thanks for the reply.


How is he going to stay on the inside of a fighter who is 2 inches taller, has about an 8' reach advantage has faster hands and faster feet. hatton can't just jump in on mayweather, he is going to have to work his way in but i don't believe he has the duran type skill it would take for the smaller man to beat PBF.

Also at 147 in vegas the will be wearinf 10 ounce gloves, how do u think this will affect the outcome?

[EpsilonAxis]

IMO they are very physically similar. I dont think there will be any size advantage whatsoever.

[Ring Master]

Hatton doesn't fight at range, so it shouldn't be a disadvantage. If Joe Frazier fought Nikolai Valuev, do you think Frazier would be kept at range? Of course not. Henry Armstrong could fight Mark Breland, but he's still be within a punching distance at all times.

Height and reach is only an advantage if the styles dictate it to be. Hatton being smaller won't mean a thing against Floyd.

So you feel Hatton will be able to jump in to punching distance for him at anytime?

[Ring Master]

How to beat height and reach:

1. Timing... okay Floyd has good reflexes, so thats out.

2. Activity...bingo! The swarmer can beat the boxer. Just keep chasing and keep throwing your hands. Floyd will keep running away and maybe you get a decision based on agression or a possibly stoppage if a good shot gets trhough. (this is the best bet, but Floyd is really good at running, so even with this strategy, Hatton is an underdog)

good post.


Do you believe that Hatton is capable of swarming Floyd? you think he is strong enough?

[Expert]

fighting at 140.

[Ring Master]

fighting at 140.

147

[unitas]

hatton will have to overcome massive talent disadvantages!!!!

[digiram]

The biggest problem for Hatton in this fight is that he doesn't work to the inside off of a good jab. He either takes a little punishment to get in the inside or Leaps in with a left hook. It works well against fighters that are good boxer, but will remain stationary. However, PBF will not sit in the pocket and allow Hatton to play the grapling game.

Floyd will continue to hit and move and hit and move. How long can Hatton continue to take the punishment?

I don't think that anyone can beat floyd with aggression alone. It has to be with a combination of agression and timing, and the boxer has to be top notch in both. You have to be able to read what he's going to do, and be quick enough to get the shots off before he does.

DLH had the right idea. He jabbed his way in, but when trying to time him in the middle of the ring, he just couldn't get shots off as quck as Floyd, and could only be on the defense.

I like Floyd by Wide UD or stoppage, but who knows, maybe hatton gets in a big leaping left that can definitely change a fight around.

[Expert]

147

you think Hatton will fight again @ 147 after the Collazo fight?

[Ring Master]

you think Hatton will fight again @ 147 after the Collazo fight?

he already stated for PBF and that lineal title he would. his trainer even stated that Floyd is a small welter so it wouldn't be a problem.

[pit]

It's not like Floyd is a whole lot taller than Hatton. Only two inches. However, the reach advantage is huge in Floyd's favor. Also, Hatton is naturally the bigger man.

I'm interested in seeing how Floyd overcomes the pressure that Hatton would put on him cause I'm almost sure that Hatton is a harder fight for Floyd than DLH was.


how is hatton the bigger man ?!?! Floyd shoulder and back are vary wide for his size and his leg are thicker Hatton's .
anyone that saw the Gatti fight had to be shocked at the size difference between Gattie and Floyd with Floyd appearing to be the bigger man , even though Gatti out weighed him by at least by 10 pound .. Floyd size and strength is deceiving because he like to box.

[Expert]

The biggest problem for Hatton in this fight is that he doesn't work to the inside off of a good jab. He either takes a little punishment to get in the inside or Leaps in with a left hook. It works well against fighters that are good boxer, but will remain stationary. However, PBF will not sit in the pocket and allow Hatton to play the grapling game.

Floyd will continue to hit and move and hit and move. How long can Hatton continue to take the punishment?

I don't think that anyone can beat floyd with aggression alone. It has to be with a combination of agression and timing, and the boxer has to be top notch in both. You have to be able to read what he's going to do, and be quick enough to get the shots off before he does.

DLH had the right idea. He jabbed his way in, but when trying to time him in the middle of the ring, he just couldn't get shots off as quck as Floyd, and could only be on the defense.

I like Floyd by Wide UD or stoppage, but who knows, maybe hatton gets in a big leaping left that can definitely change a fight around.

and if the fight is @ 140?

[Ring Master]

how is hatton the bigger man ?!?! Floyd shoulder and back are vary wide for his size and his leg are thicker Hatton's .

naturally heavier man, i believe is what he meant.

[nulty]

Floyd began his career at 130 pounds. :good

Exactly. And Hatton even fought a couple of times above 140 as an amateur.

[magnificentdave]

pbf likes to back up, constantly, so he will eventually either run into the ropes, or be standing infront of Hatton, obviously he can side step, and that will have success a lot of the time, but every time Hatton catches on the ropes or he stands to trade, he will take body shots, and eventually they will start getting past his elbows and he will feel the pain,
so, even if it turned out close to a shutout, it would HARDLY be an easy fight for floyd, and I predict scores as close as his match with DLH

[magnificentdave]

another thing- I seriously doubt we will see hatton stunned like he was in the collazo fight

[Bazooka]

He has to fight him the way he did KT if not he wont get shit off in the fight, he must hold and hit his way to a win.

[nulty]

pbf likes to back up, constantly, so he will eventually either run into the ropes, or be standing infront of Hatton, obviously he can side step, and that will have success a lot of the time, but every time Hatton catches on the ropes or he stands to trade, he will take body shots, and eventually they will start getting past his elbows and he will feel the pain,
so, even if it turned out close to a shutout, it would HARDLY be an easy fight for floyd, and I predict scores as close as his match with DLH

Me too but this time going against Floyd (who I have nothing but respect for as a fighter)

[pit]

Floyd began his career at 130 pounds. :good


so did oscar so what are you saying Hatton is bigger then him also ,but anyway weight alone does not make you the smaller or bigger man, bone structure does..

Floyd has a larger lanky frame that allowed him to fight at 130 and finally at 147 and he is able to carry this weight effectively while maintaining his speed and most of his strength .

[brooklyn1550]

How? By roughing him up (or at least attempting to)

Hatton will need to do all of the following if he wants to beat Mayweather
1. Come in unbelievable shape
2. Cut the ring off
3. Throw the jab and move his head when trying to get inside
4. Go to the body
5. Make it a dirty fight
6. Throw lots of punches and be way more active than Mayweather

[digiram]

and if the fight is @ 140?

I don't think the weight class will matter much at all. I see Floyd winning at 147 or 40. However, I don't think it will be a walk in the park for Floyd. He's going to have to work each round cuz Hatton will definitely continue to come at him.

[digiram]

He has to fight him the way he did KT if not he wont get shit off in the fight, he must hold and hit his way to a win.

He's going to try to fight the way he fought Zoo, but unlick Zoo, Floyd can fight on he back foot and has much bettr movement.

[psychopath]

How does Hatton overcome height & reach disadvantages against PBF?

It's next to impossible . . . if this fight happens.

PBF is a smart all rounded skilled fighter . . . he'll use his advantages to the max to win that fight unscratched.

[RUSKULL]

How to beat height and reach:

1. Timing... okay Floyd has good reflexes, so thats out.

2. Activity...bingo! The swarmer can beat the boxer. Just keep chasing and keep throwing your hands. Floyd will keep running away and maybe you get a decision based on agression or a possibly stoppage if a good shot gets trhough. (this is the best bet, but Floyd is really good at running, so even with this strategy, Hatton is an underdog)

I agree. Usually these type matches end with a decision or cuts type stoppage for the boxer against the puncher.

Hatton is very fast & accurate though and his punch output is usually high so that does make it interesting, but I'd have to go with Floyd by decision since Hatton has a good chin.

It could always end in a TKO stoppage for Floyd if the ref & doctor deem the cuts he inflicts on Hatton to be too much for Ricky to continue..............

[RUSKULL]

It's next to impossible . . . if this fight happens.

PBF is a smart all rounded skilled fighter . . . he'll use his advantages to the max to win that fight unscratched.

No way. Hatton will eventually test the body & the head, I think he can hurt Floyd but not enough or often enough to stop PBF.

[nulty]

I agree. Usually these type matches end with a decision or cuts type stoppage for the boxer against the puncher.

Hatton is very fast & accurate though and his punch output is usually high so that does make it interesting, but I'd have to go with Floyd by decision since Hatton has a good chin.

It could always end in a TKO stoppage for Floyd if the ref & doctor deem the cuts he inflicts on Hatton to be too much for Ricky to continue..............

A possibility but Ricky hasn't had as many cut problems recently and has (IMO) the best cutman in the business.

[RUSKULL]

How? By roughing him up (or at least attempting to)

Hatton will need to do all of the following if he wants to beat Mayweather
1. Come in unbelievable shape
2. Cut the ring off
3. Throw the jab and move his head when trying to get inside
4. Go to the body
5. Make it a dirty fight
6. Throw lots of punches and be way more active than Mayweather

Great analysis!

Let me answer like this:

1. Hatton is always in unbelievable shape.
2. Hatton cuts the ring off well, but not well enough.
3. Hatton hardly throws the jab at all, but moves his head well, early in the fight anyway.
4. Hatton always attacks the body.
5. Hatton always fights a bit dirty.
5. Hatton always throws a lot of punches.

Still, I think PBF is too fast, his defense too good & he fights off his bhack foot better than just about any other fighter in a long time.

Floyd's speed & defense will be his undoing.

[psychopath]

No way. Hatton will eventually test the body & the head, I think he can hurt Floyd but not enough or often enough to stop PBF.

Oh yes I'm not saying PBF is not going to be hit . . . but like you said it's not going to be enough. :D Because PBF will move back, slide to the left or right to avoid a follow up hit.

[Johnnyblaze]

You need a jab to beat Floyd and ricky does not have one. DeLahoya gave Floyd trouble with his, but he didn't throw it enough. Hatton isn't going to beat Floyd for that reason. Even if he throws enough jabs, he has those T-Rex arms so he won't be effective anyway. Mayweather by brutal, one sided, UD.

[RUSKULL]

A possibility but Ricky hasn't had as many cut problems recently and has (IMO) the best cutman in the business.

Could be but cuts have been a problem in the past & Floyd is fast & accurate.

Great fight & I hope it happens.

[Pimp C]

Too be honest Hattton doesn't have a chance in this fight. He doesn't have what it takes. Short arms bad defense, lack of a real outside boxing game, his jab is virtually nonexistent and against PBF that's your ass. He can get away with that falling in against people who are slow, with poor footwork and can't fight off thier back foot and boxers who aren't great counter punchers but PBF has all of this. All that falling in will play right into PBF's hands when he's getting countered to hell and back. PBF will figure him out and Hatton will get fustrated in the mid rounds and the fight will turn into a foul fest on Hatton's part. Hatton only knows how to fight one way and against a ring general like PBF that spells doom. :deal

[RUSKULL]

Oh yes I'm not saying PBF is not going to be hit . . . but like you said it's not going to be enough. :D Because PBF will move back, slide to the left or right to avoid a follow up hit.

Exactly. I believe Hatton will try his best & land a few but not the combos that are probably nec. to KO Floyd.

[jopez707]

I think PBF will fight alot like he did against DlH, circling, using the full ring; covering up on the ropes. If anybody can take a body assualt its PBF his roadwork and situp routine is ridduculous. Hatton will eat a lot of crips punches the whole night, I expect the fight to be ugly on the inside; and for Floyd to dominate on the outside. It will be a good fight, but Hatton will be outclassed.

[RUSKULL]

Too be honest Hattton doesn't have a chance in this fight. He doesn't have what it takes. Short arms bad defense, lack of a real outside boxing game, his jab is virtually nonexistent and against PBF that's your ass. He can get away with that falling in against people who are slow, with poor footwork and can't fight off thier back foot and boxers who aren't great counter punchers but PBF has all of this. All that falling in will play right into PBF's hands when he's getting countered to hell and back. PBF will figure him out and Hatton will get fustrated in the mid rounds and the fight will turn into a foul fest on Hatton's part. Hatton only knows how to fight one way and against a ring general like PBF that spells doom. :deal

I don't think it will be as 1 sided as that but a clear UD for PBF. Hatton is better than that anyway. He will work his way in eventually but his speed won't match Floyd's and he won't land punches in the sucession and I think that's nec. to defeat PBF myself. A younger faster Oscar would have a chance...............and I practically hate Oscar. :yep

Hatton does hit hard though & he has a great punch output early so don't be surprised to see him win a few early rounds in a bit of a foul-fest.

[buzzsaw]

Hatton has a fighters chance at all times once the bell sounds. Floyd has all the tools to off set Rickys aggressive style and make him pay while he is doing it. So Mayweather will be racking up the points while Hatton will be trying to land one flush. And thats what will keep us on the edge of our seats, cause it only takes one.

[markbrooklyn]

Don't forget Hatton is pretty fast as well. He's going to have to the stay on the inside, cut off the ring and go to the body. Fortunately for him, this is exactly his style, and that's bad for Mayweather.

Pretty fast against slow fighters yeah. He wasnt fast against Luis Collazo. Hatton will get murdered in the ring. Floyd is way too good for him plain and simple

[markbrooklyn]

How to beat height and reach:

1. Timing... okay Floyd has good reflexes, so thats out.

2. Activity...bingo! The swarmer can beat the boxer. Just keep chasing and keep throwing your hands. Floyd will keep running away and maybe you get a decision based on agression or a possibly stoppage if a good shot gets trhough. (this is the best bet, but Floyd is really good at running, so even with this strategy, Hatton is an underdog)

Floyd don't run, He uses his feet and reflexes.. but Hatton does HOLD. He's GREAT at it, Especially holding and hittting.

[SweetScienceFan]

Hatton uses his shorter frame, and shorter arms to his advantage. That is how he overcomes reach advantages. He makes people's height and reach become a disadvantage to them by his inside fighting, and angles that he gives.

[rodney]

He Doesn't.....

[BlueApollo]

I really believe this fight will be made.

I wish to dicuss the keys of victory for this fight.

How do you guys think Hatton will cope with the size and more importantly the reach disparity? (i think the handspeed and reach combo is going to be the downfall for hatton.)

Arrange for Floyd to take a Manchester pub crawl on fight night.

[Expert]

I don't think the weight class will matter much at all. I see Floyd winning at 147 or 40. However, I don't think it will be a walk in the park for Floyd. He's going to have to work each round cuz Hatton will definitely continue to come at him.

if they fight is at 147 it will be much easier, but at 140 Hatton might win.

[uppa kut]

If Hatton can make KT quite (retire) and KO JLC then the loical fight for the FANS is Hatton v. PBF!! That's what we want=that's what we will pay for!!

[Ring Master]

Arrange for Floyd to take a Manchester pub crawl on fight night.

What's that?

[PH|LLA]

by going on the inside and smothering him

[Toopretty]

To end this debacle of a debate. There is nothing Hatton can do. ODH punches twice as hard and more crisp then Hatton. And ODH has a great jab. Hatton cant do anything to get close to Floyd but tackle him LOOK how fast floyd is at backing up and fighting off of the back foot. You guys look at how hatton grabs come forward guys like urango and castillo who constantly come forward and think it will be that easy to get in on floyd. Hatton can take 1 floyd punch yes he cant take the punishment he is going to get coming in on floyd with no defense and no jab. Without one or the other he is target practice. And who says floyd is going to head hunt floyd's jab to the body is better then his up top jab and his str8 right to the body took Sharmba out of there. Hatton cant take body shots at all. He has no answer with his style. He aint even good at in-fighting he clinches and punches on the break and leaps with his left hook. No way floyd would counter that crap.

[sonny73]

I've only ever seen Hatton even slightly troubled by Tszyu and Southpaws,Mayweather is neither so I am betting on Hatton to win unless Mayweathers corner try to get involved or a Vegas robbery which is quite possible

[Toopretty]

To end this debacle of a debate. There is nothing Hatton can do. ODH punches twice as hard and more crisp then Hatton. And ODH has a great jab. Hatton cant do anything to get close to Floyd but tackle him LOOK how fast floyd is at backing up and fighting off of the back foot. You guys look at how hatton grabs come forward guys like urango and castillo who constantly come forward and think it will be that easy to get in on floyd. Hatton can take 1 floyd punch yes he cant take the punishment he is going to get coming in on floyd with no defense and no jab. Without one or the other he is target practice. And who says floyd is going to head hunt floyd's jab to the body is better then his up top jab and his str8 right to the body took Sharmba out of there. Hatton cant take body shots at all. He has no answer with his style. He aint even good at in-fighting he clinches and punches on the break and leaps with his left hook. No way floyd would counter that crap.

[psychopath]

I've only ever seen Hatton even slightly troubled by Tszyu and Southpaws,Mayweather is neither so I am betting on Hatton to win unless Mayweathers corner try to get involved or a Vegas robbery which is quite possible

Unless . . . Robbery?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: . . . go on with your moronic view buddy. :yep AS if PBF is limited fighter.

[o_money]

Also at 147 in vegas the will be wearinf 10 ounce gloves, how do u think this will affect the outcome?

Good question. i honestly wouldn't know. I think maybe it favours floyd but I can see advantages for both figthers having both kind of gloves. Becuase Probably the biggest thing though would be floyds brittle hands would be less likely to brake with 10oz gloves.

[Axe]

Hatton will have the weight advantage though; Floyd is a natural 135 lber, Hatton a career 140 lber (though both have fought above 140).

[Toopretty]

shut up you dumb brit. You know how I know you are gay. B/c you like to see fighters that MANhugg. Get a life and get real. No defense/no jab=cant fuck with floyd. :nono

[sonny73]

Unless . . . Robbery?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: . . . go on with your moronic view buddy. :yep AS if PBF is limited fighter.
NO one said he was a limited fighter but he is over-rated,America as a sports watching nation is very very suseptible to hype and flashyness above substance.If you look at his recent bouts he has struggled against both Judah early and DeLaHoya early,the latter was winning after the first 8 rds and lost because he gassed.If you have this image of Mayweather dancing around like he did with Baldomir or pounding a defenceless Gatti I'm afraid the fight against Hatton will not go down like that.Mayweather will have to expend far far more energy to even compete with Hatton than he has against any fight he has had in the last 4 years.The question should not be 'how does Hatton overcome height and reach disadvantage?' but 'how will Mayweather cope with 12 rds of pressure and not having any room to fight?'.Mayweather will only look good if Hatton gasses otherwise it will be a scrapy fight

[Mook]

:lol: I can't agree with this assessment, but good ranting attack.

PBF will struggle with Hatton, and the same is true vice versa. This is a close fight, and both will come out of it more respected fighters, win lose or draw.

shut up you dumb brit. You know how I know you are gay. B/c you like to see fighters that MANhugg. Get a life and get real. No defense/no jab=cant fuck with floyd. :nono