Lennox Lewis v Earnie Shavers

[ThePlugInBabies]

Could the man who many consider the biggest puncher to ever grace the heavyweight division test out that chin on Lewis?

Or is Lennox just too good for Earnie?

[mr. magoo]

Stylistically this is a horrible matchup for Shavers. Lennox would have too many advantages. If Lewis started off hot early, while Earnie was having one if his slower evenings, Lewis would have him out by probably no later than maybe 3 or 4.

Keep in mind, however, Shavers would always have a puncher's chance, but not a very good one.

[hobgoblin]

Could the man who many consider the biggest puncher to ever grace the heavyweight division test out that chin on Lewis?

Or is Lennox just too good for Earnie?

Lewis is just too good. Earnie Shavers has NOTHING but a puncher's chance to win. Conventional wisdom tells you never to count on such chances. Having the power is one thing - landing it is something else. There were lots of guys that Lewis fought who had the power, that if given a free punch, would KO Lewis and many other fighters. Yet, only 2 did (and under slim chances too) in 15 years. Shavers has little chance.

Lewis will finish the fight on how he wishes. If he thinks that he is handling Shavers but that it is risky to have the acorn around for too long, he'll break him down under 8 rounds as he did to Morrison. If he is having an easy time and doesn't mind having the acorn around, he'll take it to round 10 or 11 and then finish off a tired Shavers.

Only another great fighter could beat Lewis.

[rekcutnevets]

Lewis ko 1.

Lewis will sometimes jump on fighters he may feel threatened by. Remember Ruddock, or Golata. Shavers would not be able to take that at all. With Shavers being that dangerous of a puncher, and known not to take a punch, I think Lewis would be all over him.

[Bummy Davis]

I dont think Shavers has a chance to get near the chin of Lennox and is dispatched in 1-2 rounds

[la-califa]

Only another great fighter? Like McCall & Rahman? Lewis has all the tools, But tends to lose consentration now and then. Respect for Shavers punch would keep Lewis content with outboxing him at a distance. Probably a decision win unless Shavers gets very fatigued, then Lewis would take him out late.

[hobgoblin]

Only another great fighter? Like McCall & Rahman?

:lol: :lol:

Well, everything is based on probability. There is a .001% chance that I fight Muhammad Ali and as we square off, he slips on the canvas and the doctor stops the fight in my favor. It can happen. Diamond can also spontaneously turn into coal - it is true - but the probability is like 10^-12. McCall had a abritrarily small chance of winning (you can approximate that to 0 and most of the time no one will notice the difference). But that night, the minuscle probability prevailed. Diamond DID turn into coal. But how often does that happen? Negligible chances. I felt compelled to reply after getting pwned like that.

Same chances with Shavers LANDING.

[Sizzle]

I was expecting to read "Well Lewis has a horrible chin and Shavers is the biggest puncher in history, so eventually he'd find it and lay Lewis out. I give it two rounds" or something along those lines...

Thankfully common sense has prevailed!

Lewis would be far too skilled for Shavers and would stop him.

[DamonD]

Lewis stays the hell out of Dodge for the first few rounds, keeps the charging Shavers on the end of the jab, then lays in the heavy artillery in the middle rounds to get a stoppage.

I'd give Shavers that puncher's chance against pretty much anyone though.

[ChrisPontius]

Shavers has his almost patented "punchers chance", but outside of that, i agree with Hobgoblins analysis if we're talking about a focused Lewis here. I don't see Shavers making it past the second round.

By the way Hobgoblin, do you work in the field of statistical physics?

[groove]

Shavers will definitely land a big right hand on Lewis so it could be interesting.

[JohnThomas1]

Shavers will definitely land a big right hand on Lewis so it could be interesting.

I doubt it myself. Shavers was taken out by much lesser fighters without ever landing his best sunday punch. His right hand really is very telegraphed. Lewis has the height, reach, skill and respect not to get caught. As a matter of fact i can see Lewis absolutely manhandling Shavers from long range and getting him out of there without too much fuss.

[mr. magoo]

[quote=hobgoblin]:lol: :lol:

. Diamond can also spontaneously turn into coal - it is true - but the probability is like 10^-12.
Same chances with Shavers LANDING.


As I stated earlier in this thread, I think Lewis would take out Earnie and fast, but the likelyhood that Shavers could pull of an upset, given his incredible power, is a little bit better than the probability of coal turning into diamonds in my opinion.

[The Kurgan]

This would be short. At his best, Lewis only boxed if he felt his chances of knocking out his opponent quickly were slim (Tyson, Tua, Holyfield). If faced with a proven puncher with a questionable chin, Lewis tried to get them out as quickly as possible before any problems arose (Ruddock, Golota, Grant).

Shavers lacks the defense to keep away from Lewis's bombs, which were extremely destructive when he loaded up. Lewis could stop Shavers with either hand; with the uppercut, hook or overhand right; his jab could dictate the tempo of the fight.

If they both come in with their A-game, we get a Frazier-Foreman I style fight, with Shavers repeatedly getting knocked down before being left a quivering wreck.

[hobgoblin]

[quote]


As I stated earlier in this thread, I think Lewis would take out Earnie and fast, but the likelyhood that Shavers could pull of an upset, given his incredible power, is a little bit better than the probability of coal turning into diamonds in my opinion.

lol, of course! i was just making an analogy of something that does not usually hapen. have we EVER heard of diamond actually turning into coal? upsets - so many in boxing history!

Shavers has his almost patented "punchers chance", but outside of that, i agree with Hobgoblins analysis if we're talking about a focused Lewis here. I don't see Shavers making it past the second round.

By the way Hobgoblin, do you work in the field of statistical physics?

biomedical engineering / electrical engineering; it does involve a lot of statistics and math

[Duodenum]

If Earnie hits Lennox, Lewis is obviously dead, but there's no way he would take Shavers lightly. Keep away, clinch liberally in close, and let Earnie run down before taking him out.

[Sardu]

Lennox Lewis KO 5 Earnie Shavers

[MRBILL]

Could the man who many consider the biggest puncher to ever grace the heavyweight division test out that chin on Lewis?

Or is Lennox just too good for Earnie?

Lewis KO 3 Shavers............ Shavers never gets started before getting smoked out by Lewis...........

MR.BILL:deal:hat

[mr. magoo]

Unless Earnie gets luckier than the class geek who got it on with the prom queen, he's basically fucked...

[zadfrak]

Shavers is/was the rare type of puncher that dips down to launch his big right hand. Most guys rise up. That said, when Earnie dips down, that Lewis set of whiskers is going to be a long ways away and quite a bit higher. So it won't land. Plus Lewis is smart enough to circle away from the right and it's his straight right hand that will catch Earnie early moving in. And the fight will be over fairly quick once Shavers eats a big shot from Lennox Lewis.

[KTFO]

Could the man who many consider the biggest puncher to ever grace the heavyweight division test out that chin on Lewis?

Or is Lennox just too good for Earnie?



No/Yes

[PetethePrince]

Lewis

[BoxingFanNo1]

Shavers has the punchers chance, but that's all, Lewis takes it in every other department.

Lewis early-mid round ko/tko.

[Kalasinn]

Lewis KO 3 Shavers, Earnie won't have a chance to land his right hand.

[mcvey]

Lewis is just too good. Earnie Shavers has NOTHING but a puncher's chance to win. Conventional wisdom tells you never to count on such chances. Having the power is one thing - landing it is something else. There were lots of guys that Lewis fought who had the power, that if given a free punch, would KO Lewis and many other fighters. Yet, only 2 did (and under slim chances too) in 15 years. Shavers has little chance.

Lewis will finish the fight on how he wishes. If he thinks that he is handling Shavers but that it is risky to have the acorn around for too long, he'll break him down under 8 rounds as he did to Morrison. If he is having an easy time and doesn't mind having the acorn around, he'll take it to round 10 or 11 and then finish off a tired Shavers.

Only another great fighter could beat Lewis.

I pick Lennox ,and by early ko, but your last sentence is illogical ,because Lewis was kod by two good, but not great fighters.

[janitor]

I think that both of Lewis's losses to big punchers represent serious lapses in his game.

The first time he had a technical flaw and was on a learning curve.

The second time he just plain got clumsy.

The crucial question is "what are the chances of him making similar mistakes against Shavers?"

I say slim.

[mattdonnellon]

Lewis ko 1.

Lewis will sometimes jump on fighters he may feel threatened by. Remember Ruddock, or Golata. Shavers would not be able to take that at all. With Shavers being that dangerous of a puncher, and known not to take a punch, I think Lewis would be all over him.

Bang on! That's the post I was going to make.

[janitor]

Lewis ko 1.

Lewis will sometimes jump on fighters he may feel threatened by. Remember Ruddock, or Golata. Shavers would not be able to take that at all. With Shavers being that dangerous of a puncher, and known not to take a punch, I think Lewis would be all over him.

This is one thing that LEWis and LOUis have in common.

They were both prepared to play the long game, but if it served their interests they could out Tyson Tyson.

Not trying to influence the Louis-Lewis thread.

[MMJoe]

Lewis is just too good. Earnie Shavers has NOTHING but a puncher's chance to win. Conventional wisdom tells you never to count on such chances. Having the power is one thing - landing it is something else. There were lots of guys that Lewis fought who had the power, that if given a free punch, would KO Lewis and many other fighters. Yet, only 2 did (and under slim chances too) in 15 years. Shavers has little chance.

Lewis will finish the fight on how he wishes. If he thinks that he is handling Shavers but that it is risky to have the acorn around for too long, he'll break him down under 8 rounds as he did to Morrison. If he is having an easy time and doesn't mind having the acorn around, he'll take it to round 10 or 11 and then finish off a tired Shavers.

Only another great fighter could beat Lewis.

Lewis would do the jab and run like a gazelle method he used against Tua and Shavers would never land a mitt on him. Agree on the never begin about to use the power thing.

[mike_bngs]

if its Lewis in trained properly and wanna kill this fucker mode, Shavers will be lucky to go 3 rounds. If its this is a contractual obligement, a few extra pounds wont matter Lewis- he had better keep his hands up.

[Primadonna Kool]

A confident and worked up Lennox Lewis, could end this fight at any time. Depends how he went about the fight, he could easily just break him down slowly...or blast him out...!!

Too Good, Too Big, Too Fast....Too Much Skill.

[tommygun711]

Shavers has a one punch chance, and he might knock out Lewis if given the right chance. Would Lewis get back up from the bomb that Shavers threw at Holmes? probably not. So, I'll go with Lewis by knockout in a few rounds, because I don't think Shavers will land that one bomb.

[Primadonna Kool]

When Lennox Lewis feel's threatened by a oponents.................the oponent is fucked.

Lennox Lewis only ever was beaten, when he became too laid back and complacent.

Thats why Ernie Shavers is fucked.

[RockysSplitNose]

I know everyone always brings up the one punch ends versus McCall and Rahman but at the end of the day these were Lewis' worst off nights of his entire career and they coincided with the best single punchers either man ever threw (and in Rahmans case I think one of the greatest single punches ever thrown by anyone - with these sort of match ups I've got to take the men involved when they were on their best nights - so in my opinion Lennox Lewis on the night he obliterated Razor Ruddock - that Lewis - when he was young, rapid, cocky, aggressive and throwing an instinctive right hand like the first one that put Ruddock down for the first time - that Lewis was one of the greatest heavyweights ever IMO (number 14th in my rankings) - yeah I love Shavers and he may well have cold-cocked a Lewis on a McCall/Rahman off-night but no on their best nights Lewis all the way and maybe quick because as someone else said earlier in the thread if he viewed someone as a threat he would really go into overdrive - and they don't come more threatening than Shavers.

[DonBoxer]

I think as soon as Shavers starts fighting Lewis he is taken out as Lewis often did early when people take a fight to him.

[Bonecrusher]

Lennox would destroy Shavers, this one would be over in a hurry.. Lennox is way to polished a fighter for Shavers to really test him... I guess if he was able to hang around for a bit he could land something but I think Lennox blows his doors off ala Golota and Grant...

[kinski]

Lennox ky KO. Its also debatable on Shavers power.

[red cobra]

Maybe a 1 round ko for Lennox..definitely an early round ko.

[nahkis]

If McCall and Rahman could do it, I guess Shavers COULD knock Lewis out. Still, the much more likely scenario is Lewis winning.

[Foreman Hook]

Lewis KO1 Glassy Shavers.
Shavers just cannt take Lewis's power.

[Son of Gaul]

If Shavers can get to Holmes' chin and Rahman can get to Lewis' chin then Shavers can get to Lewis' chin. His chances are slim but , mathematically, he does have a shot.

[Zakman]

Jeebus H. Christ, Shavers would shatter that shaky chin early. If palookas like McCall and Rahman could do it, the heaviest-hitting HW of all time shouldn't have too much trouble!!!