Why is BHOP so highly rated?

[sarah ross]

He has had a very good career but the way he is always worshiped is a little crazy. The competition he fought is subpar at best, his good wins can all be questioned. BHOP took out a blown up De La Hoya in a horrible fight, the Tarver win is also extremely over rated as well. He did destroy Trinidad which was his one great win. I have seen all of BHOP's fights and consider him good but nothing close to great, his style is almost brutal to watch. Hopkins early fights were more fast paced but all good fighters destroy the first 20 bums put in front of them. I just would like to know why BHOP has such a huge following when during his reign as a champion he throws 40 punches a round against a long list of guys not even in his class. I always watch his fights thinking he could destroy the guy but he carefully coasts to a 12 round decision.

[jimmie]

I can sit here and pick apart any fighters resume like you have. Ray Leonard beat above his best weight class Roberto Duran,a weight drained Thomas Hearns,a obviously past his prime slower Marvin Hagler.

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[Dantes]

He has had a very good career but the way he is always worshiped is a little crazy. The competition he fought is subpar at best, his good wins can all be questioned. BHOP took out a blown up De La Hoya in a horrible fight, the Tarver win is also extremely over rated as well. He did destroy Trinidad which was his one great win. I have seen all of BHOP's fights and consider him good but nothing close to great, his style is almost brutal to watch. Hopkins early fights were more fast paced but all good fighters destroy the first 20 bums put in front of them. I just would like to know why BHOP has such a huge following when during his reign as a champion he throws 40 punches a round against a long list of guys not even in his class. I always watch his fights thinking he could destroy the guy but he carefully coasts to a 12 round decision.

He became more cagey as he got older and became champ, you can't expect to blow out the elite level guys who you're defending against, like you did in your first 15-20 fights.. it's just not realistic. he did what's needed, he tightened up his defence, became an exceptional counter puncher and gives his opponents nothing to work with.
B-Hop's a champ regardless of weather you appreciate his style or not.

[Nawfal]

i cant see any way any how the guy doesnt get his tue

he is the master boxer, technician, ring general, dirty fighter

the guy is THE complete fighter

[Guru_Too_You]

i cant see any way any how the guy doesnt get his tue

he is the master boxer, technician, ring general, dirty fighter

the guy is THE complete fighter

We were blessed to be able to see Hopkins Jones and Toney.

I only wish there were more bouts between them.

[psychopath]

He has had a very good career but the way he is always worshiped is a little crazy. The competition he fought is subpar at best, his good wins can all be questioned. BHOP took out a blown up De La Hoya in a horrible fight, the Tarver win is also extremely over rated as well. He did destroy Trinidad which was his one great win. I have seen all of BHOP's fights and consider him good but nothing close to great, his style is almost brutal to watch. Hopkins early fights were more fast paced but all good fighters destroy the first 20 bums put in front of them. I just would like to know why BHOP has such a huge following when during his reign as a champion he throws 40 punches a round against a long list of guys not even in his class. I always watch his fights thinking he could destroy the guy but he carefully coasts to a 12 round decision.


Bhops is a technical fighter , , , he doesn't knockout opponents if he doesn't have to. All he wants is to ensure victory. Reason why up to now at his present age of past 40 he is still very competitive. Longetivity baby! Longetivity!

As to his accomplishments, sorry if you're not impressed but there are a lot who were and you are outnumbered. So cry your hearts out. :yep

[sarah ross]

Jimmie, you mentioned Hearns, Duran and Hagler they are a little better than De La Hoya, Tarver and Tito Trinidad. I could sit here and list Eastman, Allen, Hakkar, Daniels, Holmes, Echols, Lipsey, Frank and all the other BUMS BHOP fought. Why is this guy regarded as a legend when he beat one great fighter his whole career? He lost two fights to Jermain Taylor, hell I think Hagler, Hearns and Duran could beat Taylor right now.

[Beatboxer]

I and a few others have argued that he is somewhat overrated in terms of his supposedly amazing resume

its actually just a notch or two above JCs

who gets alot of shit for this competition

[Cookie]

Hopkins recent fights have been quite boring. But you have to appreciate his skill level and the ability to completely change his style in order to stay at the very top of the game. Back in the day he was an all action guy, mixing skilled boxing with straight up brawling. Now he's a very calculated and patient boxer. His longevity is almost unprecedented.

One of the true, certified badass, modern greats.

[buzzsaw]

Yes he may only throw 40 punches a round...but he makes those 40 count. He is a technician and a master at his craft.

[.trunzx]

Hopkins is an ATG. A younger more active Hopkins KOs Taylor.

It's ridiculous to say Hopkins isn't one of the best of his generation, if not of all time. He beat DLH and Tito by KO, and that alone is worthy of being a HOF'er, not to mention his record title defenses and move up to LHW to humiliate the champ.

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[Lampley]

Hopkins deservedly gets ATG credit for:

1) winning the title at a glamour division and defending it for a decade

2) dominating many opponents, even if he didn't lay them flat

3) an eye-catching win over Glen Johnson

4) a dramatic and shockingly one-sided victory over Felix Trinidad

5) a methodical ass-kicking and stoppage of ODLH

6) another out-class of the unofficial LHW king, Antonio Tarver, without taking a tuneup

and, mostly

7) his ability to evolve from a highly aggressive, action fighter into a calculating, technical wizard

Hopkins' career is nearly unprecedented. He didn't just hang on to physical ability for an unusually long time -- that's been done by dozens. No, he reinvented himself as his speed and agility began to fade, and he still has remained on top of his game. He's not the fighter he was, but he still could not be dominated by anyone from 175 on down.

Hopkins is a treasure, and we are lucky our generation gets to claim him.

[sues2nd]

Since you said so much bs over this post, I will break it apart and answer you that way. This way you may learn something.




He has had a very good career but the way he is always worshiped is a little crazy. The competition he fought is subpar at best, his good wins can all be questioned.




Prime Tito, ODLH, Glen Johnson, Lipsey, Tarver (I will get more into this in a second), Holmes, Vanderpool, Joppy, Taylor twice (most feel he won AT THE VERY LEAST one of those fights...some feel both), Eastman, etc.

Oh yeah, VERY VERY SUBPAR...:-(

BHOP took out a blown up De La Hoya in a horrible fight, the Tarver win is also extremely over rated as well. He did destroy Trinidad which was his one great win.

The DLH fight, whatever. Hop didnt just beat him, he OUTBOXED HIM. That is what made that win great.

The Tarver win? Overrated? Hop jumped 2 weight classes and took out the champion at that weight in 1 FIGHT (shut the champ out actually)!!!! You know how many people have done that?

1- Roy Jones Jr.
2- Bernard Hopkins

That is the list (other fighters have fought their way up, but NOONE jumped two weights to win a belt in one fight other than the two names above.)! And unlike Roy's, Hop took on what was considered the top belt holder at that weight. And not to mention that he did it after the age of 40......

That win was incredible.

I have seen all of BHOP's fights and consider him good but nothing close to great, his style is almost brutal to watch.

Im going to call bullshit here. If you have seen all of Hop's fights, you would know that he was a swarming KO artist for the majority of it. Its only when he got on in age that he became more defensive minded.

I am guessing that you either saw his Tito fight on, or you started watching him AFTER he beat Tito.

Hopkins early fights were more fast paced but all good fighters destroy the first 20 bums put in front of them.

Again, I think you heard this said before and ran with it (kinda like the people that call a prime Pernell Whitaker boring). Hop was still a monster while he was fighting (shutting out actually) a PRIME Glen Johnson. Far past his 20th fight with bums (his 34th actually).

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I just would like to know why BHOP has such a huge following when during his reign as a champion he throws 40 punches a round against a long list of guys not even in his class.

Sorry but if someone walks into the weigh in at 160 and the fight is at 160, that is the same class. But never mind that.

And again, only recently, as he aged did he slow his output (did you see his output vs Joppy...or FUCKING TARVER for god sake???)...the man is a great boxer, not a freakin SUPERHERO! At 40+ you want him to go in there and fight like Corrales - Castillo for 12 rounds? The knock that he doesnt throw enough is ridiculous...he is a like a great power pitcher in baseball, who used to mow people down with his fastball, until he aged, where he worked on his control and maybe picked up a few more pitches in order to stay dominant. In other words he reinvented himself....which should be praised....but whatever.


I always watch his fights thinking he could destroy the guy but he carefully coasts to a 12 round decision.

Again, he is 40+. He is the best defensive fighter (arguably) since Whitaker. He has a record number of consecutive defenses of the MW title. He has won titles in 2 weight classes. Hopkins is the best MW of this generation (not arguably) and one of the 5 best MWs ever (slightly arguably).

I hope you learned something!!!

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[Imperial1]

If you have to ask why is he rated so high I have to ask how long hav you watched boxing?

[Lampley]

If you have to ask why is he rated so high I have to ask how long hav you watched boxing?

Well said.

[sues2nd]

Jimmie, you mentioned Hearns, Duran and Hagler they are a little better than De La Hoya, Tarver and Tito Trinidad. I could sit here and list Eastman, Allen, Hakkar, Daniels, Holmes, Echols, Lipsey, Frank and all the other BUMS BHOP fought. Why is this guy regarded as a legend when he beat one great fighter his whole career? He lost two fights to Jermain Taylor, hell I think Hagler, Hearns and Duran could beat Taylor right now.

Jimmie, I got your back here.

Okay, those bums you mentioned (pay attention while I show your lack of knowledge on this)...I am sure you went and looked up their names on boxrec and once you didnt notice a name, you copy/pasted. But let me educate you young one.

1- Eastman - When Hop fought him, he was 40-1-0 with 34KOs. He was a VERY big MW with huge power. And Hop pretty much shut him out. His losses are against Joppy, Hopkins, Abraham and Miranda....hardly anything to be embarrassed by.

2- Allen - Another big MW. #1 contender/mandatory opponent a couple of times (in other words, Hop doesnt fight him, he loses his belt and any chance at the record he was seeking). Not a great fighter...a decent one. But name ONE fighter who doesnt have a few decent fighters on his resume (and then tell me if they were mandatories or tune ups??? BIG DIFFERENCE).

3- Daniels - Another mandatory. Good skills, nothing great.

4- Holmes - Keith Holmes is a BUM??? First I heard of this. He was the former WBC champ. And he was part of the MW tourament to with Joppy, Hop and Tito...in other words, Hop beats Holmes, he fights Tito.

5- Echols - Echols is a bum too? Is he an ATG, noooo. Is he a very big puncher...HELL YES. Hops fights with Echols were great.

6- Lipsey - Wow you really dont know much do you? Lipsey was 25 and 0 with 20 KOs. He was billed as the NEXT BIG THING. He was even picked by some to beat Bernard. Hop destroyed him and made him retire.

7- Frank - yeah Ill give ya that one.

So out of those, ONLY Frank and Daniels (and maybe Allen) you could consider a BUM. And again, WHAT WORLD DO YOU LIVE IN THAT NO FIGHTER HAS ANY BUMS ON HIS RESUME????

[joito3]

i love hopkins and i think he is atg material but i still think winky is going to whoop his ass next month....

Hopkins age will catch up with him against winky !

[sues2nd]

i love hopkins and i think he is atg material but i still think winky is going to whoop his ass next month....

Hopkins age will catch up with him against winky !

You know, I love Hop and Im a fan of Winky's...but seriously, how many consecutive fights are people going to pick against him using the "age will catch up with him" train of thought.

Not a knock on what ya said, just more of a "how long can this guy defy age?".

No idea how any boxing fan could not appreciate the greatness of Hopkins (again, not you joitio...just a question in general)???

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[BlueApollo]

He has had a very good career but the way he is always worshiped is a little crazy. The competition he fought is subpar at best, his good wins can all be questioned. BHOP took out a blown up De La Hoya in a horrible fight, the Tarver win is also extremely over rated as well. He did destroy Trinidad which was his one great win. I have seen all of BHOP's fights and consider him good but nothing close to great, his style is almost brutal to watch. Hopkins early fights were more fast paced but all good fighters destroy the first 20 bums put in front of them. I just would like to know why BHOP has such a huge following when during his reign as a champion he throws 40 punches a round against a long list of guys not even in his class. I always watch his fights thinking he could destroy the guy but he carefully coasts to a 12 round decision.

You know, my first impulse was to flame this to high heaven, but there is some, hell, quite a bit of decent criticism here. Tarver was a weight drained zombie, De La Hoya was a tortilla stuffed zombie, his punch output has dropped in recent years... all valid points.

My "worship" of the old man is based mainly on the things you find "brutal." Hopkins is one of the few fighters in recent years who displays the kind of craftsmanship and dedication that go back to boxing's heyday. His defense, footwork, and conditioning are always impeccable. He knows every psychological trick in the book. He's the definition of a complete fighter.

There's no question that his style, which was already cautious, has suffered as he's aged. Yeah he's a geriatric wonder just to be still fighting world class competition, but he obviously can't step on the gas like he used to. If he could, the hype golem named Jermain Taylor would have been Echolsed and sent back to bagging groceries in Little Rock.

Bottom line, when you watch Hopkins, you know that in his prime (1999-2001) he would be competitive in any era of middleweights. Sure he'd be in extremely tough with Hagler, Monzon, etc., but you can't say those wouldn't have been classic fights. If it makes me crazy to be a fan of that caliber of fighter, hey, so be it.

[TroubleLurks]

What he did to Tito is enough for me.

[Imperial1]

What he did to Tito is enough for me.

It was for me as well til he owned Tarver :D

[Morrissey]

He has had a very good career but the way he is always worshiped is a little crazy. The competition he fought is subpar at best, his good wins can all be questioned. BHOP took out a blown up De La Hoya in a horrible fight, the Tarver win is also extremely over rated as well. He did destroy Trinidad which was his one great win. I have seen all of BHOP's fights and consider him good but nothing close to great, his style is almost brutal to watch. Hopkins early fights were more fast paced but all good fighters destroy the first 20 bums put in front of them. I just would like to know why BHOP has such a huge following when during his reign as a champion he throws 40 punches a round against a long list of guys not even in his class. I always watch his fights thinking he could destroy the guy but he carefully coasts to a 12 round decision.


Because he's a real class act. That and his excellent record.

How would it not affect your view on him?

[C.J.Rock]

Jimmie, you mentioned Hearns, Duran and Hagler they are a little better than De La Hoya, Tarver and Tito Trinidad. I could sit here and list Eastman, Allen, Hakkar, Daniels, Holmes, Echols, Lipsey, Frank and all the other BUMS BHOP fought. Why is this guy regarded as a legend when he beat one great fighter his whole career? He lost two fights to Jermain Taylor, hell I think Hagler, Hearns and Duran could beat Taylor right now.

He didnt lose to Taylor except in the eyes of incompetant or corrupt judges we all have our own opinion which they are
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