Ding would have a valid shot against Jean-Marc

[KillerInstinct]

I think Ding has enough tools to defeat current CW king, Jean-Marc Mormeck. I have seen both fights that JMM had with O'Neill Bell and the guy does have some stamina issues. Ding needs to work on his condiotning as well, but Ding has one hell of a chin and very good power. Most likely, JMM will end up boxing Ding..but if he did try to slug it out with Ding or fight the way he fought Bell for the first fight and the first 7 rounds in their second fight..I think Ding would win by KO in the middle rounds.

Opinions?

[Amsterdam]

Mormeck is also 5'10, Nwodo is tall and has reach. The height makes a big difference for a powder keg fighter like Ding.

I'd take Ding over Mormeck, he can take Mormeck's best, but Mormeck won't be able to take his and Ding can carry his power late if needed.

[Fighting Fisherman]

I think Ding would destroy Mormeck inside of two rounds.

[BlueApollo]

I agree. Bell's workrate, chin, and reach would frustrate Ding badly, but he would be a very live dog against Mormeck. You have to give Ding a chance to beat anyone that hittable.

[Amsterdam]

I think Ding would destroy Mormeck inside of two rounds.

I'd say 6-8, Mormeck is good, but his style plays into Ding's style, where as Nwodo had clear significant advantages over a short, slower hooking bomber like Ding.

Ding's a slugger, Mormeck is a swarmer, works well.

[Amsterdam]

I agree. Bell's workrate, chin, and reach would frustrate Ding badly, but he would be a very live dog against Mormeck. You have to give Ding a chance to beat anyone that hittable.

This Nwodo tonight had the right tools to beat Bell, Bell's chin is average at best. However, Mormeck would have laid out Nwodo early on due to his early swarming.

[DaHead242]

Mormeck has had some stamina problems in his past few fights. Ding can take Jean-Marc's best shots and Mormeck will always be right in front of Ding to hit. Ding stuns Mormeck in the 6th, takes out a gassed Mormeck in the 9th or 10th.

[Amsterdam]

Mormeck has had some stamina problems in his past few fights. Ding can take Jean-Marc's best shots and Mormeck will always be right in front of Ding to hit. Ding stuns Mormeck in the 6th, takes out a gassed Mormeck in the 9th or 10th.

I'd say he removes him near to when he has him stunned and running, Ding hits much harder than Bell.

[RightCross]

From the way Ding looked tonight, I would see him getting stopped within 6 rounds by mormeck. If he could last and Mormeck gasses the reverse would be true. If it goes to the cards Id still favor Mormeck right now.

I'd favor Bell over Ding as well. I'd really like to pull for ding in these fights and I would be, but the workrate he had tonight was horrendous and he just looks like he will get outworked at the premiere level.

Ding landed 6 total jabs in 8 rounds. Averaged about 24 total punches thrown a round and landed at a terrible rate.

If it wasn;t for that massive ending by Ding he was on his way to a decision loss in this fight.

[Mrboogie23]

Ding has a valid shot against Mormeck. I'd pick him to win it. Mormeck doesnt have the size advantage and will come in and trade with him. Ding can handle mormecks best I'm sure but Mormeck wont be able to handle Dings.

Mormecks style makes a good fight for Ding.

[Mrboogie23]

I think Ding would beat a prime Ali and Tyson as well if he decided to fight at Heavyweight.

:roll:

[Amsterdam]

From the way Ding looked tonight, I would see him getting stopped within 6 rounds by mormeck. If he could last and Mormeck gasses the reverse would be true. If it goes to the cards Id still favor Mormeck right now.

I'd favor Bell over Ding as well. I'd really like to pull for ding in these fights and I would be, but the workrate he had tonight was horrendous and he just looks like he will get outworked at the premiere level.

Ding landed 6 total jabs in 8 rounds. Averaged about 24 total punches thrown a round and landed at a terrible rate.

If it wasn;t for that massive ending by Ding he was on his way to a decision loss in this fight.

Mormeck lacks the height and reach of Nwodo however, and his style plays into Ding's style. Completely different scenerio.

Mormeck is also not a one punch KO hitter by any means, he couldn't put away chinny Bell on two occassions, there is no way he puts away Ding by coming forward and getting into a slugfest.

[KillerInstinct]

I think Ding would beat a prime Ali and Tyson as well if he decided to fight at Heavyweight.

Hater! I don't even see why you would make a response like this, it's not like anyone is overrating Ding. I am sure everyone knows that he needs to work on his workrate and his condiotioning. I guess it's a crime to be excited for a guy that visits here? Right Sweet Pea!?!?!? :patsch

[RightCross]

Mormeck lacks the height and reach of Nwodo however, and his style plays into Ding's style. Completely different scenerio.

Mormeck is also not a one punch KO hitter by any means, he couldn't put away chinny Bell on two occassions, there is no way he puts away Ding by coming forward and getting into a slugfest.

Mormeck is a hard puncher. Maybe not a single shot monster like Ding, but Mormeck is a pretty relentless guy in the early rounds and throws many hard punches and has the serious advantage over ding in a couple key areas. Those areas are hand speed, combination punching and IMO he is a very rugged inside fighter. Nwodo stung Ding once pretty bad, I can see mormeck being more effective early.

One thing that really bothered me tonight was Ding;s complaining to the ref, many rounds like he didnt want to fight, his own corner almost stopped it. He complained of headbutts (legit) rabbit shots etc. Mormeck will be very rough like that and I think it will bother Ding in a bad way.

I obviosuly see the style difference and its pretty safe to say a mover with good hand speed and reach would be a terrible style for Ding. Mormeck is more Ding's style I agree, I still favor Mormeck.

Just one man's opinion here, I'd love to see the fight come off and Ding ready to be more active than he was tonight.

[brooklyn1550]

Ding has a shot against any cruiserweight right now who slugs it out

[Amsterdam]

Ding has a shot against any cruiserweight right now who slugs it out

The boxers will get him, but Mormeck is not a boxer. Bell's got such an incompetant defence and shaky jaw... I feel Ding would get him also.

[Marciano Frazier]

I think people are going a little overboard here. Let us not forget that Nwodo, who is not nearly as skilled as Mormeck, was soundly outboxing Wilson, doubling and even tripling him in the punchstats, through nine rounds. The knockout was extremely impressive, but it was a come-from-behinder against a guy with a questionable chin. I doubt Mormeck would've had that much difficulty dealing with Nwodo.
Wilson is a devastating hitter with heart and a granite jaw, so he has a legitimate shot against anyone at cruiserweight, but he also has limited boxing skill, isn't terribly fast and doesn't have a very high workrate, so against real top opponents, he has to rely on landing the big pay-off punch, which he is certainly capable of delivering, but that isn't going to work for him all the time.

[KillerInstinct]

I have no problem with the guy, I don't even know him or know he posted here, which is why I was so shocked at the ridiculous number of threads on the front page about him. But yeah, I think it;s safe to say a lot of us are overrating him, talking about how he'll beat any CW out there and all this and that. Let's chill out, good for the guy, but let's not be ridiculous yet.

Well, there is always a lot of joy for a fighter when they come off a fresh win. This goes with every fighter, Cotto, Hatton, etc. They all get hyped extra after a big win. I just think Ding would have a good shot at beating Mormeck due to the battle of styles. Ding could easily get out.boxed, I mean it has already previously happened. I understand that some posters may be overrating him in other threads, but you comment was a bit out of line especially considering that this particular thread has some good posts about how Ding's style would clash with other fighters. I do understand your frustration though..but when you got a guy who posts on ESB get a string of KO wins against good opposition, whaddya expect :yep

@RightCross- I like watching Jean-Marc fight, and you are spot on with your assessment. But out of all the elite CW fighters out there, Ding's best shot is against Mormeck..and it just so happens that Mormeck is the #1 fighter. The thing I am looking at the most is Mormeck's condiotning..I don't believe he will be able to stop Darnell in the early rounds (when Mormeck is the most effective). But there is a pretty good chance if a fight with Mormeck did happen, Mormeck could just box on the outside and win an easy UD. If he fights his usual way though, 50/50 fight.

[RightCross]

But out of all the elite CW fighters out there, Ding's best shot is against Mormeck..and it just so happens that Mormeck is the #1 fighter.

I certainly agree that Mormeck's style compliments ding's offense

The thing I am looking at the most is Mormeck's condiotning.

Mormeck certainly isn't able to sustain his onslaught, for being as ripped as he is, he cannot sustain an attack for 12 without many breaks and downtimes.


I don't believe he will be able to stop Darnell in the early rounds (when Mormeck is the most effective).

I think if Mormeck breaks loose and lands some real effective cleans blows (his uppercut is pretty devastating) and is excessively rough and dirty with Ding he could stop him Via TKO

But there is a pretty good chance if a fight with Mormeck did happen, Mormeck could just box on the outside and win an easy UD. If he fights his usual way though, 50/50 fight.

Mormeck fights only one way as fas as I have seen. If someone could teach him to go inside and out he would win a UD easily IMO. Ding certainly has a punchers chance in any fight


Ding's stamina is even worse tha Mormeck's both guys could be gassed terribly by round 5.

[brooklyn1550]

The more and more I think about it, I can see Ding stopping Mormeck...I see them going toe to toe early and Mormeck and Ding both eat up some big shots. But as the fight progresses, Ding's superior chin is the difference and he comes on strong while tired to stop a tired Mormeck.

[RightCross]

Can we just have a reality check for a second?


Yes, Ding chats on this forum. Yes, Ding is one hell of a guy and is enjoyable to talk with... Yes, Ding has an exciting style

But this is the same guy who lost four times in a row to some pretty average competition... let him go and avenge some of those losses (all UD's where he gassed relatively early in the fight and wasn't able to find that final shot like he did tonight) before you talk him up as a chance against Jean Marc

Even Ding himself knows he's simply not ready, although at 32 - he may feel pretty pressured into it.

If Ding can get his shot, take it. Train as hard as you possibly can, get to a high elevation and run run run..swing for the fences or rope a dope until JM gasses and engage. Now or never if you ask me, he might run into a real slick boxer and that style would devastate Ding version 1.1

[Tuavale]

Ding KO's Mormeck easier than Ndowo.

[sues2nd]

I have no problem with the guy, I don't even know him or know he posted here, which is why I was so shocked at the ridiculous number of threads on the front page about him. But yeah, I think it;s safe to say a lot of us are overrating him, talking about how he'll beat any CW out there and all this and that. Let's chill out, good for the guy, but let's not be ridiculous yet.

Most of us have said he would beat Mormeck, Bell and Adamek (not brought up by us, but rather an Adamek fan...not even sure why the guy would be included).

So in other words, we said he would be a fighter that fights coming forward and is prone to gassing out in tough physical fights (Mormeck), a guy who has below average defense and is "chinny" (Bell) and a much smaller guy who tends to eat right hands (Adamek)...which just so happens to be Ding's bread and butter.

Its not like a soul has said he would be favored over any of the great CWs of the past...but the three we have mentioned...stylistically Ding would have a HUGE advantage over them.

How is that in anyway overrating him???

And plus, quite a few of us have become friends with the guy over the time he has posted on here....SO WHO FUCKIN CARES IF WE OVERRATE HIM????

[Kolya]

Can we just have a reality check for a second?


Yes, Ding chats on this forum. Yes, Ding is one hell of a guy and is enjoyable to talk with... Yes, Ding has an exciting style

But this is the same guy who lost four times in a row to some pretty average competition... let him go and avenge some of those losses (all UD's where he gassed relatively early in the fight and wasn't able to find that final shot like he did tonight) before you talk him up as a chance against Jean Marc

Even Ding himself knows he's simply not ready, although at 32 - he may feel pretty pressured into it.

So you've basically never paid attention when Ding has explained what was going on around the time of that losing streak, huh? And I didn't realize Vadim Tokarev was "pretty average". Especially considering he took the fight, in Moscow, on two weeks notice.