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BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 08:58 AM
Who wins?
How and why?
Should this fight be made?
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 09:06 AM
Cotto
Jab and Body Punches plus Cotto is more versatile. Margarito just keeps coming forward which is perfect for Cotto.
Yes it should be the next fight for Cotto. As matter fact the word out of the isla del encanto is that this is next fight for Cotto. Lets hope it is.
But what about Margarito's uppercuts?
Does Cotto have an answer for them?
Marnoff
11-14-2007, 09:12 AM
Cotto wins.
Cotto breaks Margarito down in a come-forward fight via body shots and knocks Margarito out late.
This fight should not be made. Cotto has bigger fights he should be taking, and Margarito is behind several other fighters in the line. His win this weekend doesn't get him a title shot when there are bigger matches to be made.
MacManJr.
11-14-2007, 09:15 AM
Margarito is too easy to hit. If Cotto could outbox Shane going backwards like he did then he would make Margarito look silly and possibly break his ribs.
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 09:18 AM
Papa you can only throw so many uppercuts on a fight due to the fact that you leave yourself wide-open for a lefthook or a righthook and Cotto has both of those punches in his arsenal so I dont see Margarito throwing a lot of uppercuts you know. Now I do see your point though! He may be able to hit Cotto with one or two uppercuts BUT can he handle a lefthook???
That's not necessarily true unless you drop your hands to throw the uppercut.
Margarito dips his shoulder, which will give Cotto little opportunity to counter Margo off the uppercut.
You also gotta factor in that Margo can throw the uppercut up close and from a distance.
And his overhand right is killer. If his last fight was any indication of his own personal, technical improvement, then his punches are a lot straighter than they were before.
He's tough too, and I think Margarito can handle about any punch. He's as tough as they come.
PH|LLA
11-14-2007, 09:19 AM
Margarito is a good fighter but the guy is just crude. Cotto has some sick pop, a quality jab and good hooks to the body.
Cotto by late round stoppage.
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 09:21 AM
Margarito is too easy to hit. If Cotto could outbox Shane going backwards like he did then he would make Margarito look silly and possibly break his ribs.
Cotto does have a great jab, but Margarito is a lot bigger than Shane, and I don't think Shane anticipated being the aggressor.
Margarito makes his living off of hunting his opponents down.
Boxing Margarito in my opinion, would be the wrong thing to do if you're Cotto, unless you're taking a break and you know Margo is hurt or tired.
This is unlikely though considering that Margarito throws 80-100 punches a round, and when was the last time you saw Margarito taking a step backwards?
I've seen Cotto go backwards against Mosley and Urkal.
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 09:22 AM
Margarito is a good fighter but the guy is just crude. Cotto has some sick pop, a quality jab and good hooks to the body.
Cotto by late round stoppage.
He doesn't look crude anymore.
Sure, against Williams, he looked crude at times, but that's because Williams is almost impossible to hit cleanly, especially considering he's throwing punches constantly.
So yeah, Margarito looked like he was reaching, but I think Margarito's punches look a lot straighter, his speed is not top notch, but it's still there, and he has a hell of an uppercut.
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 09:23 AM
I don't think ya'll are giving Margarito enough credit. You can't look at the Williams fight and use that as your basis on how he would perform against Cotto.
Williams and Cotto are 2 completely different fighters.
PH|LLA
11-14-2007, 09:29 AM
tbh i haven't seen much of margarito
Marnoff
11-14-2007, 09:33 AM
I've seen Cotto go backwards against Mosley and Urkal.
Going backwards does not equal losing a round, or a fight.
MacManJr.
11-14-2007, 09:35 AM
Cotto does have a great jab, but Margarito is a lot bigger than Shane, and I don't think Shane anticipated being the aggressor.
Margarito makes his living off of hunting his opponents down.
Boxing Margarito in my opinion, would be the wrong thing to do if you're Cotto, unless you're taking a break and you know Margo is hurt or tired.
This is unlikely though considering that Margarito throws 80-100 punches a round, and when was the last time you saw Margarito taking a step backwards?
I've seen Cotto go backwards against Mosley and Urkal.Where in my post did I say anything about Margarito going backwards?
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 09:58 AM
Going backwards does not equal losing a round, or a fight.
He didn't lose rounds against Mosley, but he did against Urkal.
That's not the point though.
Mosley, while prone to trading at times, is a boxer. He showed this against Cotto.
Margarito is an aggressive fighter who is BEST when his opponent is going backwards.
That's when Margarito uses his range, volume, and power to break his opponent down before they can attack.
There were times when Mosley had Cotto hurt during the fight.
The difference between Mosley and Margarito is, MARGARITO knows when he needs to finish, and being an aggressive fighter, and ESPECIALLY after hurting Cotto with an uppercut, he would have continued to press the fight.
Mosley on the other hand was more cautious. Margarito would not be, and I don't think if Cintron can knock Margarito out when he was hurt, Cotto couldn't either, at least not with one punch.
Margarito is DANGEROUS.
Hopefully the oddsmakers agree with the majority of the posters on this site. I'll make a killing.
I love Cotto and it would be great to see him win, but Margarito has the tools and the determination to beat him.
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 10:01 AM
Where in my post did I say anything about Margarito going backwards?
I didn't say that you did.
I was saying that Margarito is an aggressive fighter by nature. If he knows that you're hurt or that there is something wrong, he will go after you.
Cotto whether he was hurt or not in the 9th round changed his gameplan and decided to box Mosley.
Unless you're a master boxer, this is not a wise thing to do against a pressure fighter like Margarito.
Marnoff
11-14-2007, 10:02 AM
He didn't lose rounds against Mosley, but he did against Urkal.
That's not the point though.
Mosley, while prone to trading at times, is a boxer. He showed this against Cotto.
Margarito is an aggressive fighter who is BEST when his opponent is going backwards.
That's when Margarito uses his range, volume, and power to break his opponent down before they can attack.
There were times when Mosley had Cotto hurt during the fight.
The difference between Mosley and Margarito is, MARGARITO knows when he needs to finish, and being an aggressive fighter, and ESPECIALLY after hurting Cotto with an uppercut, he would have continued to press the fight.
Mosley on the other hand was more cautious. Margarito would not be, and I don't think if Cintron can knock Margarito out when he was hurt, Cotto couldn't either, at least not with one punch.
Margarito is DANGEROUS.
Hopefully the oddsmakers agree with the majority of the posters on this site. I'll make a killing.
I love Cotto and it would be great to see him win, but Margarito has the tools and the determination to beat him.
So Margarito is more dangerous than Mosley and knows when to finish a man better than Mosley?
Cintron isn't close to being as mentally tough as Cotto, so bringing him in is a moot point.
MacManJr.
11-14-2007, 10:03 AM
I didn't say that you did.
I was saying that Margarito is an aggressive fighter by nature. If he knows that you're hurt or that there is something wrong, he will go after you.
Cotto whether he was hurt or not in the 9th round changed his gameplan and decided to box Mosley.
Unless you're a master boxer, this is not a wise thing to do against a pressure fighter like Margarito.How can slugging it out with a slugger be a wise thing to do? You don't have to be a master boxer to outbox Margarito man.
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 10:07 AM
So Margarito is more dangerous than Mosley and knows when to finish a man better than Mosley?
Cintron isn't close to being as mentally tough as Cotto, so bringing him in is a moot point.
For Cotto, yes, Margarito is more dangerous.
Styles make fights.
Yes, Margarito is a better finisher at welterweight. He always has his opponent on the run, win or lose, and if he sees his opponent hurt, he will go after them regardless of the consequences.
When Mosley had Cotto hurt, I believe that if it was Margarito in that situation, he would go right after him.
Mosley worries about being hit more than Margarito does. Isn't that one of the arguments against Margarito? That he has shitty defense?
Although, that's not true. He blocks a lot of punches.
MacManJr.
11-14-2007, 10:09 AM
For Cotto, yes, Margarito is more dangerous.
Styles make fights.
Yes, Margarito is a better finisher at welterweight. He always has his opponent on the run, win or lose, and if he sees his opponent hurt, he will go after them regardless of the consequences.
When Cotto had Mosley hurt, I believe that if it was Margarito in that situation, he would go right after him.
Mosley worries about being hit more than Margarito does. Isn't that one of the arguments against Margarito? That he has shitty defense?
Although, that's not true. He blocks a lot of punches.Exactly when did Cotto have Shane hurt because I didnt see it?
Marnoff
11-14-2007, 10:12 AM
For Cotto, yes, Margarito is more dangerous.
Styles make fights.
Yes, Margarito is a better finisher at welterweight. He always has his opponent on the run, win or lose, and if he sees his opponent hurt, he will go after them regardless of the consequences.
When Cotto had Mosley hurt, I believe that if it was Margarito in that situation, he would go right after him.
Mosley worries about being hit more than Margarito does. Isn't that one of the arguments against Margarito? That he has shitty defense?
Although, that's not true. He blocks a lot of punches.
I know that styles make fights, and I disagree that Margarito has a worse style for Cotto. Margarito is tall and lanky, giving Cotto more space to hit him. Margarito will come forward throwing punches, doing that idiotic move he does with his one arm straight out to the other guy's head in order to line up a punch with the other hand, and his body is going to get rocked.
Margarito didn't have Paul Williams on the run, at all, and he lost. So you can't say he always puts his opponent running.
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 10:12 AM
How can slugging it out with a slugger be a wise thing to do? You don't have to be a master boxer to outbox Margarito man.
Because, Cotto fights out of a crouch, and he gets low to throw that hook to the body, (arguably Margarito's only vulnerability, although when is the last time you saw him hurt?).
Since Margarito can throw the uppercut at range or inside, no matter where Cotto is, he'll be open for the uppercut.
If Cotto chooses to fight Margarito at a distance, he'll be at a disadvantage as well because of Margarito's height and reach.
Before, I'll agree that Margarito didn't necessarily use his height to his advantage, but now I can't say that.
You saw how he was blocking punches against Williams, he used his height well against Cintron, and he showed that he can put pride aside and adapt to a better inside fighter when he fought at a comfortable range once he got into his rhythm against Clottey.
So Cotto will have to fight inside, and in order to get there he'll have to avoid being tagged by the jab and right hand, and once he's there, Margarito's uppercuts will be there to greet him.
You could say that Margarito will be open for a hook over the uppercut, but Margarito has noticably improved on his delivery. he drops his shoulder when he throws the uppercut.
His punches are straighter. The guy is as dangerous as ever. People forgot about him after the Williams fight, but the man's not back, he never left.
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 10:14 AM
Exactly when did Cotto have Shane hurt because I didnt see it?
Man, now you're reaching.
You know what I meant. I changed it to make it right.
I meant when Shane had Cotto hurt.
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 10:16 AM
I know that styles make fights, and I disagree that Margarito has a worse style for Cotto. Margarito is tall and lanky, giving Cotto more space to hit him. Margarito will come forward throwing punches, doing that idiotic move he does with his one arm straight out to the other guy's head in order to line up a punch with the other hand, and his body is going to get rocked.
Margarito didn't have Paul Williams on the run, at all, and he lost. So you can't say he always puts his opponent running.
Yeah, but how often do you see Margarito getting hit to the body effectively?
He blocks most of those shots with his elbows.
Against a short, body punching fighter like Cotto, I think you'll see him blocking a majority of his punches.
MacManJr.
11-14-2007, 10:17 AM
Because, Cotto fights out of a crouch, and he gets low to throw that hook to the body, (arguably Margarito's only vulnerability, although when is the last time you saw him hurt?).
Since Margarito can throw the uppercut at range or inside, no matter where Cotto is, he'll be open for the uppercut.
If Cotto chooses to fight Margarito at a distance, he'll be at a disadvantage as well because of Margarito's height and reach.
Before, I'll agree that Margarito didn't necessarily use his height to his advantage, but now I can't say that.
You saw how he was blocking punches against Williams, he used his height well against Cintron, and he showed that he can put pride aside and adapt to a better inside fighter when he fought at a comfortable range once he got into his rhythm against Clottey.
So Cotto will have to fight inside, and in order to get there he'll have to avoid being tagged by the jab and right hand, and once he's there, Margarito's uppercuts will be there to greet him.
You could say that Margarito will be open for a hook over the uppercut, but Margarito has noticably improved on his delivery. he drops his shoulder when he throws the uppercut.
His punches are straighter. The guy is as dangerous as ever. People forgot about him after the Williams fight, but the man's not back, he never left.When is the last time you saw Tony throw a jab? Plus the only time he ever found anything against Clottey was after Clottey hurt his hand. Clottey was outboxing him on the inside just like Cotto can. You don't have to stay on the outside to outbox somebody.
MacManJr.
11-14-2007, 10:19 AM
Man, now you're reaching.
You know what I meant. I changed it to make it right.
I meant when Shane had Cotto hurt.I'm not reaching. I thought that's what you meant. Shane did say Cotto stunned him for a second but he was never hurt.
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 10:19 AM
When is the last time you saw Tony throw a jab? Plus the only time he never found anythign against Clottey until after Clottey hurt his hand. Clottey was outboxing him on the inside just liek Cotto can. You don't have to stay on the outside to outbox somebody.
Clottey was beating Margo to the punch on the inside, but that's why Margo adjusted.
Clottey hurt his hand. Fighters get hurt. Floyd supposedly hurts his hand all the time. Calzaghe hurts his hand a lot. Does that stop them from winning?
Margarito said he was hurt too. Why doesn't he get a pass?
And while Clottey may have been hurt, it was obviously Margarito's body attack that slowed him down. That's why Clottey didn't throw shit in the 5th round, came out dancing in the 6th, got wailed on for 20 seconds in a corner in the 9th, and came out boxing again in the 10th.
Marnoff
11-14-2007, 10:21 AM
Man, now you're reaching.
You know what I meant. I changed it to make it right.
I meant when Shane had Cotto hurt.
So what round was Cotto hurt?
Marnoff
11-14-2007, 10:22 AM
Yeah, but how often do you see Margarito getting hit to the body effectively?
He blocks most of those shots with his elbows.
Against a short, body punching fighter like Cotto, I think you'll see him blocking a majority of his punches.
When does Margarito fight against top rate fighters? Well, he did fight Paul Williams and lose.
If he tries to blow all of Cotto's shots with his elbows he's gonna get broken arms.
Margarito is not defensively minded and will not be blocking a majority of Cotto's punches. Even if he wanted to, Margarito is not good enough to do so.
MacManJr.
11-14-2007, 10:23 AM
Clottey was beating Margo to the punch on the inside, but that's why Margo adjusted.
Clottey hurt his hand. Fighters get hurt. Floyd supposedly hurts his hand all the time. Calzaghe hurts his hand a lot. Does that stop them from winning?
Margarito said he was hurt too. Why doesn't he get a pass?
And while Clottey may have been hurt, it was obviously Margarito's body attack that slowed him down. That's why Clottey didn't throw shit in the 5th round, came out dancing in the 6th, got wailed on for 20 seconds in a corner in the 9th, and came out boxing again in the 10th.I give Margo credit for fighting hurt but (correct me if I'm wrong) he was hurt before the bout and should've postponed it. I give him credit for being tough as nails with a lot of heart but I just can't see him beating Cotto and there is nothing special about him to me.
Floyd and Joe C are GREAT fighters. Clottey is just good. That's the difference between them hurting their hands and Clottey hurting his.
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 10:24 AM
So what round was Cotto hurt?
God, I can't remember.
When I goes on YouTube, I'll let you know.
He was hurt at one point though, maybe not out of it, but if Mosley would have pressed the action he likely could have knocked Cotto down.
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 10:28 AM
When does Margarito fight against top rate fighters? Well, he did fight Paul Williams and lose.
If he tries to blow all of Cotto's shots with his elbows he's gonna get broken arms.
Margarito is not defensively minded and will not be blocking a majority of Cotto's punches. Even if he wanted to, Margarito is not good enough to do so.
Who can beat Paul Williams?
Did Urkal get broken arms? Cotto wailed away on Urkal the entire fight, yet Urkal was still standing. It took his corner to throw the towel in and it's not like Urkal has never been KOed before.
And Margarito blocked a hell of a lot of punches against Paul Williams, but then again, Paul Williams ain't Cotto, but Cotto ain't Paul Williams.
And I think Margarito is good enough to block punches from a body attacker because when is the last time you saw Margarito hurt to the body or even someone landing effectively to his body?
I understand Margarito has never been in the ring with a body puncher like Cotto, but Cotto has never been in the ring with a guy like Margarito, who's big as hell and has the best uppercuts at welterweight and USES them.
I have to say No .. Cotto had to make major changes to his style to compensate for Mosley speed and strength, I did not see any thing he did or from the perspective that saw the fight , that Cotto would have and Answer for Margarito size and strength.
Don't get me wrong, cotto can win the fight, but only if he make the following changes , Improve his defense by leaps and bounds , he will need it to offset margarito punch out put and make him miss while landing his own, Improve his foot work , even though cotto can lay the wood on anyone , Margartio is really a big 154 pounder, fighting at welter cotto can not afford to take any damage from Margarito because this fight would need to be taken to the full 12 round and cotto would need to look good doing it , if not he could find himself in brawl, with a bigger stronger fighter that Cotto will get the short end of.
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 10:43 AM
I have to say No .. Cotto had to make major changes to his style to compensate for Mosley speed and strength, I did not see any thing he did or from the perspective that saw the fight , that Cotto would have and Answer for Margarito size and strength.
Don't get me wrong, cotto can win the fight, but only if he make the following changes , Improve his defense by leaps and bounds , he will need it to offset margarito punch out put and make him miss while landing his own, Improve his foot work , even though cotto can lay the wood on anyone , Margartio is really a big 154 pounder, fighting at welter cotto can not afford to take any damage from Margarito because this fight he would need to take to the full 12 round and look good doing it , if not he could find himself in brawl, with a bigger stronger fighter that Cotto will get the short end of.
Damn, I actually agree with most of what you said for once.
Hopefully this fight gets made though and Cotto is a huge favorite.
I might make a killin.
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 11:07 AM
Vote
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 11:27 AM
bump
Pimp C
11-14-2007, 11:38 AM
Cotto UD or late round TKO.
Orishaman
11-14-2007, 11:40 AM
I always have said that Margo has trouble with short stocky opponents…and that preatty much describe Cotto , add Cottos relentless attack to the body and hard jab…put together with a deadly left hook, which will find Margo often, since Margo is not hard find…the slow starter that Margo is, and I see another Kelso Pinto fight…Kelso Pinto and Margo both have very similar styles…and we all know how Cotto disposed of Kelso in impressive fashion in 6 rounds dropping him in multiple rounds….Margo had problems against Lujan in the beginning of the fight as well as Clottey…..Cotto is far better puncher than both with both hands…for this reason I like Cotto in a surprising KO in the late middle rounds..
Alo2006
11-14-2007, 11:48 AM
Cotto is the better fighter by far, but I think this would be a difficult fight for Cotto. Mosley was effective when going to Cotto's body. I would like to see them fight.
freddy-wak
11-14-2007, 11:53 AM
listen fellaz, i'm a diehard cotto fan...as a matter of fact, he's my fav fighter right now....
margarito is the most dangerous opponent out there for him....either him or cintron....i dont see anybody else beating him....mararito is a tough and hungry motherfucker....sure a couple of his performances weren't all that...but really, have you ever seen him get his ass beat....cause i sure as hell havn't, and i've seen all his fights....sure he's been dropped with a body shot, but that was a long ass time ago.....he got caught up in his own hype last year, but this year and next year he's been looking for blood....and i just dont wanna see him fight cotto...
Alo2006
11-14-2007, 12:05 PM
listen fellaz, i'm a diehard cotto fan...as a matter of fact, he's my fav fighter right now....
margarito is the most dangerous opponent out there for him....either him or cintron....i dont see anybody else beating him....mararito is a tough and hungry motherfucker....sure a couple of his performances weren't all that...but really, have you ever seen him get his ass beat....cause i sure as hell havn't, and i've seen all his fights....sure he's been dropped with a body shot, but that was a long ass time ago.....he got caught up in his own hype last year, but this year and next year he's been looking for blood....and i just dont wanna see him fight cotto...
Clottey was beating his ass until he fracture his hand :yep
freddy-wak
11-14-2007, 12:07 PM
Clottey was beating his ass until he fracture his hand :yep
please...that's something that only a margo hater would say... they went 2-2 in the first 4 rounds....after that, clottey says he broke both of his hands....FINE, but margo showed us his fist after the fight and his knuckles were all fucken swollen...he said he also messed it up....so who's to say that clottey was telling the truth....
and dont think clottey would've won anyways...margo usually starts off a bit slow...nothing special that you barely noticed it
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 12:11 PM
listen fellaz, i'm a diehard cotto fan...as a matter of fact, he's my fav fighter right now....
margarito is the most dangerous opponent out there for him....either him or cintron....i dont see anybody else beating him....mararito is a tough and hungry motherfucker....sure a couple of his performances weren't all that...but really, have you ever seen him get his ass beat....cause i sure as hell havn't, and i've seen all his fights....sure he's been dropped with a body shot, but that was a long ass time ago.....he got caught up in his own hype last year, but this year and next year he's been looking for blood....and i just dont wanna see him fight cotto...
I do. Think about the odds if this poll is any indication about how they're going to bet in Vegas.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I really want to see Cotto beat up Mayweather though. Margarito might ruin him.
I like Cotto too.
brooklyn1550
11-14-2007, 12:38 PM
Cotto UD
freddy-wak
11-14-2007, 12:40 PM
people dont understand that there is underdogs, and LIVE UNDERDOGS...margarito has always been a LIVE ONE, but his last 2 losses have came to some tricky ass motherfuckers.....stylistically bad matchups for him....and even then, i dont think he lost those fights...AT ALL
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 12:44 PM
Margarito is going to be my money makin machine.
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 01:05 PM
Damn, ya'll are underratin Margarito.
paulfv
11-14-2007, 02:12 PM
I have to take Margarito because of his size.
If Cotto didn't hurt Shane -- who he hit with plenty of clean shots -- there's no way he would get Margartio off of him.
Cotto is far more fluid and skilled than Margo, but Margo -- in my opinion -- would eventually catch Cotto and put him down and out.
I have a lot more respect for Cotto after Mosley. I still feel Mosley won the fight, but Cotto has a better chin than I thought he did.
That being said, Shane hurt Cotto on at least 2 occasions. If Mosley hurt him, Margo drops him.
I still think that Williams is the only WW who is capable of beating Margarito.
This will be a great fight if it ever happens. Maybe if Cotto is able to defeat PBF (if PBF beats Hatton), these two Latin champs can meet.
paulfv
11-14-2007, 02:19 PM
Man that is SEVERALLY overrating Margarito, especially when a fighter of his skillset is in a division loaded with talent.
I also think Joshua Clottey would beg to differ. :good
You mean the guy who was shut-out on the scorecards after the 5th round or so?
Dude got schooled once Margo adjusted to him and he 'hurt' his hand/wrist/finger/knuckle/ear/toe/...
:thumbsup:)
Azriel
11-14-2007, 02:29 PM
Everytime I read a matchup between Margarito and someone else, in this case, Cotto, Margarito is always going to beat them and the most dangerous fighter out there for that said fighter.
I've seen him fight and don't see anything special in the dude. He's big though. But Cotto is a class above. The guy is unbeaten for Christ's sake.
BoxingGuru
11-14-2007, 03:07 PM
Margarito is a joke. I was at the Williams fight, he looked like an amateur and always does against anyone who fights back.
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 03:18 PM
Margarito is a joke. I was at the Williams fight, he looked like an amateur and always does against anyone who fights back.
Yeah because Cintron and Clottey are pure trash.
And Williams will make ANYONE look bad.
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 03:25 PM
Capfunds I just hope you come thru in my bet to you papa because the talks in PR are heating up regarding a fight between Cotto and Margarito. So you better enjoy yourself in Costa Rica because after that Im taking your VCash aight!!!!!!!
It was just reported in endi.com that Cotto's people are already making progress in the negociations..........Go read it.....
Man, it's gonna be a WAR!
I love Cotto, and like Freddy said, aside from maybe Cintron, Margo is the worst possible opponent for Cotto.
If the odds are stacked against him like this poll would indicate.
I'm gonna put some real cash on him by KO, then I might take a trip to Brazil.
psychopath
11-14-2007, 04:44 PM
Another case where I really admire both fighters.
Both can mix it up and both has solid chins but Cotto has just shown us he can box and frustrate opponents just like what he did to Mosley and that would be a plus.
Uppercut's? Zab's uppercut cut Cotto's chin but it never send him down so I guess Cotto can suvive Marg's uppercuts.
A 50/50 bloody fight for me . . . but I'm leaning more on Cotto.
BITCH ASS
11-14-2007, 06:24 PM
bump.
BITCH ASS
11-15-2007, 12:11 PM
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BITCH ASS
11-15-2007, 02:46 PM
Vote.
Fab2333
11-15-2007, 02:58 PM
this is a pick em fight 4 me
50/50
BITCH ASS
11-15-2007, 04:24 PM
Put your sign in his face......
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Vote.
BITCH ASS
11-15-2007, 05:42 PM
9 more days or so of this shit.
Margarito by decision. Hes tough enough (mentally and physically) to take Cotto's bomb and Cotto is tough enough to take Margo's bombs. The difference is that Margarito can throw 80-100 punches by round and Cotto normally throws about 40-50. Margarito would just land more and win on points.
Drew101
11-15-2007, 07:17 PM
Cotto by decision, or possible late round stoppage.
Margarito may have the advantage in terms of size, but he still tends to punch a bit wide, allowing Cotto the opportunity to beat him to the punch. Plus, Cotto's ability to time Margarito on the way will allow him the opportunity to counter with authority, both to the head, and to the body. I expect that by time Margo attempts to accelerate, Cotto should be inflicted enough damage to take the starch of his punches, and may well have inflicted some significant facial damage as well.
Margo's a legitimate, tough contender, but Cotto has too many options in this fight, and that should enable him to get the victory.
MagnificentMatt
11-15-2007, 07:22 PM
People seem to forget, MArgaritos uppercut is his biggest strength, and his biggest weakness as well..
He tends to get frustrated and start throwing it from WAY outside, leaving himself to get pciked off easily, if you wanna see a great example of him doing this, watch the Clottey fight.. (Who i beleive would whoop his ass in a rematch)
Cotto by decision, or possible late round stoppage.
Margarito may have the advantage in terms of size, but he still tends to punch a bit wide, allowing Cotto the opportunity to beat him to the punch. Plus, Cotto's ability to time Margarito on the way will allow him the opportunity to counter with authority, both to the head, and to the body. I expect that by time Margo attempts to accelerate, Cotto should be inflicted enough damage to take the starch of his punches, and may well have inflicted some significant facial damage as well.
Margo's a legitimate, tough contender, but Cotto has too many options in this fight, and that should enable him to get the victory.
hmmm some fighter you just can't hurt but you can beat them , like the incredible absorbing punishment man Randal Tex Cobb , Margarito may not have the boxing skill but he can take punishment , can cotto possible beat margariot yes , can he KO .. Hell no don't be stupid .. cotto would be stupid to try and KO margarito point win yes KO not a chance in hell. IMO
tays001
11-15-2007, 08:29 PM
style wise althoughi dnt like MARGO i think he can beat cotto and not cuz of that 1 fight against gold dust
Drew101
11-15-2007, 08:49 PM
hmmm some fighter you just can't hurt but you can beat them , like the incredible absorbing punishment man Randal Tex Cobb , Margarito may not have the boxing skill but he can take punishment , can cotto possible beat margariot yes , can he KO .. Hell no don't be stupid .. cotto would be stupid to try and KO margarito point win yes KO not a chance in hell. IMO
You'll note I said "stoppage". Margo's prone to cuts and swellings in the past, and, against a fighter like Cotto (who hits hard enough to bust up pretty much anyone he fights), I think that means he'll suffer some injuries to his face if they do meet in the ring. And, that could certainly lead to an inside-the-distance victory...especially if Margo's shipping heavy punishment.
Also, Margo's been dropped, and wobbled before. If he runs into something big from Cotto, he might very easily get hurt. I'm not necessarily saying that it will happen...but, a hard-punching fighter like Cotto is a threat to stop anyone if he inflicts enough punishment.
brooklyn1550
11-15-2007, 09:30 PM
Also, Margo's been dropped, and wobbled before.
Has he really? I've heard people claim he's never been down and never been seriously hurt for that matter...
41fever
11-15-2007, 09:35 PM
That's not necessarily true unless you drop your hands to throw the uppercut.
Margarito dips his shoulder, which will give Cotto little opportunity to counter Margo off the uppercut.
You also gotta factor in that Margo can throw the uppercut up close and from a distance.
And his overhand right is killer. If his last fight was any indication of his own personal, technical improvement, then his punches are a lot straighter than they were before.
He's tough too, and I think Margarito can handle about any punch. He's as tough as they come.Yeah, I noticed improvement on his technique. His punches are tighter and str8er. I think Cotto is great, but Williams/Margarito and possibly Cintron can beat him.
Drew101
11-15-2007, 09:36 PM
Yes Brooklyn, I forget his name, it's on the top of my head but I believe he dropped Margarito with a left hook to the body.
Danny Perez.
Margo also wobbled after eating a Santos counter in the rematch.
41fever
11-15-2007, 09:36 PM
I think its gonna be...
Cotto vs Margarito
&
Williams vs Cintron
then the winners duel
41fever
11-15-2007, 09:36 PM
...and Clottey begging on his knees for a shot
41fever
11-15-2007, 09:38 PM
Danny Perez.
Margo also wobbled after eating a Santos counter in the rematch.The Santos fight was a thriller...Daniel weighed on fight night 177 lbs. and Marg was like 155.
BobDigi5060
11-15-2007, 09:43 PM
With the way these guys fight I'd have to favor Margarito. Cotto won't be able to box and keep him at bay like Sugar Shane. Going toe to toe with the bigger and more active puncher could take its toll on the smaller and younger champ.
Fedor Em
11-15-2007, 09:48 PM
Cotto is the better fighter but styles make fights and I think Margo may stop Cotto.
fatdrunkenslob
11-15-2007, 10:43 PM
The Santos fight was a thriller...Daniel weighed on fight night 177 lbs. and Marg was like 155. You sure Margo was only 155 that night? He's usually close to 160 even at Welterweight?
psychopath
11-15-2007, 10:54 PM
I think its gonna be...
Cotto vs Margarito
&
Williams vs Cintron
then the winners duel
Well I'm seeing it the other way around . . . not unless Arum can come up with Team Cotto's demand.
Team Cotto said . . . Cotto will fight Margarito if the money is the same in fighting PBF, Hatton or DLH.
So it's more likely that Cotto will fight the winner of Williams/Cintron tussle. :yep
EL MATADOR13
11-15-2007, 11:41 PM
Margarito wins by ko in later rounds:yep
BITCH ASS
11-16-2007, 01:46 PM
Go Soto. Vote.
BITCH ASS
11-19-2007, 10:19 AM
Ha ha. Bump.
BITCH ASS
11-19-2007, 10:46 PM
Vote.
carras
11-19-2007, 11:57 PM
cotto by late tko,
I think margo is a very tough guy, but he eat too much punches.
BITCH ASS
11-25-2007, 02:53 PM
Here are the official results.
113 voters.
Antwuan Maxx
11-25-2007, 03:17 PM
You sure Margo was only 155 that night? He's usually close to 160 even at Welterweight?
Marg was 160, Santos was 170.
Alo2006
11-25-2007, 11:35 PM
This is a fight I would like to see. I want to see how well Cotto do against a pressure fighter. This fight will be a war. How ever, I pick Cotto to win.
Ambition_Def
11-25-2007, 11:43 PM
I didn't get a chance to vote, but you can add me under Margarito by late TKO.
I just think Cotto likes a methodical pace where he is the aggressor going after the boxer. I think that Margarito presses him and takes him out of his comfort zone with hard volume punches. Cotto will fight back, but the pace will not be one he is used to. He won't be able to dent Margarito like he has Judah, Quintana and others. And that will be a key difference as this fight unfolds.
Also please don't say Williams schooled Margarito. It was a damn close fight. Many saw it a win for Margarito.
fatdrunkenslob
11-26-2007, 12:00 AM
I think the pressure that Margo will bring will cause Cotto to fade a lot earlier than in his fight with Mosley perhaps as early as the 6th round where he will go into survival/counter-punching mode again. There's nothing more frustrating and intimidating than being unable to get someone off of you that keeps coming and throwing punches in bunches. Margo is a busier fighter than Mosley and punches harder coupled with the fact that Cotto is not exactly hard to hit and I see a late stoppage due to accumulation. Margo by TKO in 10 or 11.
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