Dana Puts Serra In His Place!!!

[IrishDawg]

Throughout this show I have lost tremendous respect for Matt Serra. All he does is bicker and talk shit about Hughes any chance he gets. His insecurities are shining and he looks fucking stupid. He is coming off as immature and unprofessional. Hughes on the other hand is letting the shit roll off and coming off as very professional.

Well last night, being that there are two quarterfinal matches pitting Serra's guys against eachother, Dana White decided that 2 of Serras guys had to train with Hughes. Serra, obviously, bitched about it and was dis-agreeing and unhappy. Then Dana straight up put him in his place and shut him up.

He said something along these lines, "You know fuck all this team bullshit, yeah we're all teammates! But Matt Hughes is one of the best fighters in UFC history and in the history of the sport so any chance to train with him is a good one." :rofl :rofl :rofl Serra just stood there and shut his fucking mouth after that!!! I love when Dana gets raw with these guys, he's good at talking tough. :hey

[scurlaruntings]

Serra cant bite the hands that feed him.His balls aren't THAT big.

[Polymath]

Serra cant bite the hands that feed him.His balls aren't THAT big.

And thats the only reason White talks tought with these guys.

[scurlaruntings]

And thats the only reason White talks tought with these guys.Exactly.When you hold ALL the chips the game is real easy.

[EL BULLY]

I used to hate Serra but have actually warmed to him Cause I hate Hughes too. Serras impression of Hughes was funny as fuck. I hope Serra KTFO of Hughes. People forget how disrespectful HUghes was to Royce which is unforgivable IMO.

[jimmie]

Hughes is a assclown did u see how he acted then his 2 new guys tried to have a talk with him ? Id say fuck u u fagget id rather have Robbie Lawler coach me as Hughes talks about his gameplans all day long but the only guy he can win with is his best guy Mac Danzig.

[IrishDawg]

Hughes is a assclown did u see how he acted then his 2 new guys tried to have a talk with him ? Id say fuck u u fagget id rather have Robbie Lawler coach me as Hughes talks about his gameplans all day long but the only guy he can win with is his best guy Mac Danzig.
In all fairness, I wouldn't have been to happy either if Richie motherfucking Hightower pulled me aside to "make sure I was going to have his best interests at hand". I saw Hughes's point he was making.

[Dostoevsky]

Hughes is shit. How many fights has his team won? 1?
Great coach.

[safe_pa]

Matt Hughes shouldn't be a coach. When a member of his team loses he doesn't try to improve anyone he just beats them up as he is pissed and feels like he lost. He is stuck with his wrestler mentality, get huge muscular guys as they must be real tough, then make them cut loads of weight, then pray they aren't weight drained enough to fight. I don't think these tactics work.

[EL BULLY]

Hughes is a shit coach and I don't like him as a person. He bangs on about Jesus and farming like he is some kind of superior being. So you wrestle? So you are a farmer? So you read the bible? Well fuck off Hughes you one dimensional asshole who slates Serra for cussing then sucks Dana 'pottymouth' White's cock. Fuck you.

[Beebs]

Hughes is shit. How many fights has his team won? 1?
Great coach.

How many champions has Serra helped produce?

And what the hell are you guys talking about disrespecting Royce? He went in, beat the shit out of him in every single aspect, and was rather cordial about it.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Hughes sort of got screwed in this season. As soon as he was forced to let that guy fight that had to go home because of his cousin dying... he couldn't get back on track. That gave Serra the upper hand, and he was able to choose too many fights after that. Also, some of Hughes' fighter flat out froze in their fights. I think that Hughes has great coaching ability, and it seems like Serra really connects with his fighters. However, Serra is really starting to get on my nerves with his antics. He is so consumed by his feud with Hughes that nothing else ever comes out of his mouth.

[Koa]

Thing is, this was a competition between Serra, his choices in his team, and his training vs. Hughes..

Hughes talked a load of shit and is being a bitch about losing, even threatened to walk away. This is supposed to be a team competition and this is a huge deal for both guys, as they are very competetive in nature.

Yeah, Serra looks almost as bad as Hughes with all his bitching and shit talking, in the end its still a competition.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Thing is, this was a competition between Serra, his choices in his team, and his training vs. Hughes..

Hughes talked a load of shit and is being a bitch about losing, even threatened to walk away. This is supposed to be a team competition and this is a huge deal for both guys, as they are very competetive in nature.

Yeah, Serra looks almost as bad as Hughes with all his bitching and shit talking, in the end its still a competition.
Not really, in reality this is a competition between the fighters who are in the octagon. The weeks that these guys have worked with each fighter doesn't completely change who the fighters are as individuals. This show isn't about the coaches, it is about the fighters who are trying to get that UFC contract.

I hate it when either Coach makes this show out to be about them. Whether it is Hughes, or Serra. I have followed every show since the very first one, as I was a fan of MMA long before TUF. However, I can't remember much about how the coaches themselves or the "teams" did... as it really doesn't matter. In the end, it is about who is the best fighter, not the best team, or the best coach.

[Koa]

Its in part about the coaches as well. I'll agree, its mainly about the fighters, but you cannot deny that Hughes and Serra are in competition with one another. Whether they have a huge impact on the outcome of the fights or not, they made their picks and both believed their teams were superior.

Hughes, threatening to forfeit just shows how much Serra's team has owned his..

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Its in part about the coaches as well. I'll agree, its mainly about the fighters, but you cannot deny that Hughes and Serra are in competition with one another. Whether they have a huge impact on the outcome of the fights or not, they made their picks and both believed their teams were superior.

Hughes, threatening to forfeit just shows how much Serra's team has owned his..
But the only true winning fighter, or coach... is going to be decided by whoever actually wins the contract. All of those other fights don't even matter.

[RUSKULL]

How many champions has Serra helped produce?

And what the hell are you guys talking about disrespecting Royce? He went in, beat the shit out of him in every single aspect, and was rather cordial about it.

Exactly, beat him on the ground no less. :deal :thumbsup Excellent fight that was too.

[Beebs]

Hughes has been running his own school for what, a few months, has 3 guys, and the team already has 1 belt with Robbie and will soon have 2 with Hughes beating Serra. Before that he was in the corner for all or almost all of Sylvia, Pulver, and Franklin's championship fights.

Has any Serra product ever even been in attendence at a championship fight?

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Hughes has been running his own school for what, a few months, has 3 guys, and the team already has 1 belt with Robbie and will soon have 2 with Hughes beating Serra. Before that he was in the corner for all or almost all of Sylvia, Pulver, and Franklin's championship fights.

Has any Serra product ever even been in attendence at a championship fight?
Serra's main man was beat in the very first TUF episode this year.:lol:

[ufoalf]

6-2 speaks for itself. What jokes can there be? What you are talking about is Militech camp and its not Matt Hughes, it's its own thing. Also, cornering doesn't mean shit.

From what I've seen so far Serra connects with his fighters much better and that is probably one of the biggest assets for any coach.

[Beebs]

6-2 speaks for itself. What jokes can there be? What you are talking about is Militech camp and its not Matt Hughes, it's its own thing. Also, cornering doesn't mean shit.

From what I've seen so far Serra connects with his fighters much better and that is probably one of the biggest assets for any coach.

Cornering absolutely means something, why else would some people be more sought out than others?

As for the MFS thing, no he didn't run the gym, but he was integral in developing Sylvia and especially Lawler who he was grooming as the next MFS welterweight from the start. Pulver and Hughes also had a good connection, and Franklin would often leave his home camp, mainly to train with Hughes and have Hughes in his corner.

Now Hughes has his own gym, the HIT squad on the Illinois side of St Louis, and has ICON and EliteXC MW champ Robbie Lawler with him, a rediculously talented wreslter whos undefeated in Jacob Hey.

So you've got Hughes who was instrumental in Robbies championship, almost as influential in 3 others, has as many championship wins as Serra has total wins; and then you have Serra who's best product is....Pete Sell? Luke Cummo? Or how about at Renzo's, when he was there the only champion quality fighters were Renzo himself and Almedia, who had seniority on Serra anyway.

If you want to be a good gi BJJ player, go to Serra, if you want to be an MMA champion, go to Hughes, champions sourround themselves with Hughes and his guys for a reason.

So yea, Serra has 4 more wins on a show with a limited amount of time to train inexperienced fighters. Meanwhile in the real world, it took exactly 1 fight for a HIT squad guy to win a title under Hughes, something no Serra fighter has ever done.

[ufoalf]

The names u've mentioned TRAIN with Hughes, but he's not a coach. Serra has much more extensive record in training even if it is concentrated in BJJ. No doubt, Hughes has many great things to teach in MMA. All the experience just from being one of the most dominant fighters EVER. But those things don't make you a good coach. Serra is a better COACH(thats he's job when's he's not fighting(used to be i guess)) and has more knowledge in BJJ. Matt Hughes has much more knownledge in MMA and he is a full time fighter. He's just not a coach

As for cornering, it takes analysis of your fighter and the opponent. Coaching is training a fighter under you, so he progresses in levels of skill, knowledge etc.

[Beebs]

The names u've mentioned TRAIN with Hughes, but he's not a coach. Serra has much more extensive record in training even if it is concentrated in BJJ. No doubt, Hughes has many great things to teach in MMA. All the experience just from being one of the most dominant fighters EVER. But those things don't make you a good coach. Serra is a better COACH(thats he's job when's he's not fighting(used to be i guess)) and has more knowledge in BJJ. Matt Hughes has much more knownledge in MMA and he is a full time fighter. He's just not a coach

As for cornering, it takes analysis of your fighter and the opponent. Coaching is training a fighter under you, so he progresses in levels of skill, knowledge etc.

He IS A COACH, he has his own gym now, its in Granite City Illinois, its not MFS, its the H.I.T. squat, or Hughes Intensive Training, how much more clearly can I explain this?

It took the HIT squad, Hughes gym, which he runs and is the coach, 1 fight to have a student bring back a belt, Serra has still never had a student do that. While Robbie was already a champ in one org, he unified under Hughes, and he spent most of his young career being developed by Hughes.

Also, when he was at MFS, he directly coached alot of guy, Wanderlei Silva and Pele were not head coaches at Chute Boxe, but Pele directly trained the Rua brothers when he was there and Silva directly trained Cyborg among others, without them those fighters wouldn't have been what they were, same goes for Hughes when it comes to Sylvia, Pulver, Franklin, and more than anybody Robbie. Not to mention all the wrestlers he helped coach at EIU.

[ufoalf]

Well first of all his own gym, is the one he JUST got? Meaning he actually got it AFTER the show which was filmed during summer.
I wanna see some concrete evidence that he COACHED them and not TRAINED WITH them while giving them pointers etc. Hughes still has all the coaches that train him AND those fighters i.e. boxing/bjj/cardio etc. I wanna see where he was a COACH and not a fighter. Coaches is not just knowledge and experience its also the ability to get the point across from A(trainer) to B(trainee). From what I've seen in the show and from what I've heard from 2nd hand account Serra did the job great.

[Beebs]

Well first of all his own gym, is the one he JUST got? Meaning he actually got it AFTER the show which was filmed during summer.
I wanna see some concrete evidence that he COACHED them and not TRAINED WITH them while giving them pointers etc. Hughes still has all the coaches that train him AND those fighter i.e. boxing/bjj/cardio etc. I wanna see where he was a COACH and not a fighter. Coaches is not just knowledge and experience its also the ability to get the point across from A(trainer) to B(trainee). From what I've seen in the show and from what I've heard from 2nd hand account Serra did the job great.

Lawler was fully associated with HIT before his fight with Ninja, Hughes was his coach, it was all explained on the preview of the fight, what more proof do you want? Also, why would he follow Hughes if Hughes wasn't the guy he had the most trust in? He wasn't just a "ringer" brought in before his title fight, he was a Hughes guy from the jump.

Serra is doing great on TUF, yay. Hughes' has a current champ on his team, a room full of belts, and 3 fighters who he all worked extensively with on their titles before forming his new team.

[ufoalf]

You're missing my point Beebs. I'm not questioning Hughes knowledge or Lawlers ability. The fact that Lawler followed Hughes from Militech doesn't make Hughes a good coach. It could mean MANY things, financial, friends, location etc.
In Militech both Lawler and Hughes were still coached by experts in different areas of expertise. Lawler is at the point where Hughes can help him in advanced level preparation. Thats where Hughes has VAST amount of experience. But when he is given "newbies" he falters? I know only as much as i saw on the screen from Hughes team. I saw coaching from Serra and I saw coaching from Hughes' assistants and Hughes running his fighters like dogs, giving them bible, and wrestling around with them. Very limited but that's what I saw. The statistics tell us that the proportion of what is shown and what is filmed must be somewhat preserved.

Yes, Serra is doing great on TUF, and it is clearly visible that he handles himself well as a COACH. What does Hughes having a room full of belts and a MW champ has to do with his ability in coaching?

I'm getting a wibe that you have this mentality "if you're a great fighter you're a great coach."

[Beebs]

You're missing my point Beebs. I'm not questioning Hughes knowledge or Lawlers ability. The fact that Lawler followed Hughes from Militech doesn't make Hughes a good coach. It could mean MANY things, financial, friends, location etc.
In Militech both Lawler and Hughes were still coached by experts in different areas of expertise. Lawler is at the point where Hughes can help him in advanced level preparation. Thats where Hughes has VAST amount of experience. But when he is given "newbies" he falters? I know only as much as i saw on the screen from Hughes team. I saw coaching from Serra and I saw coaching from Hughes' assistants and Hughes running his fighters like dogs, giving them bible, and wrestling around with them. Very limited but that's what I saw. The statistics tell us that the proportion of what is shown and what is filmed must be somewhat preserved.

Yes, Serra is doing great on TUF, and it is clearly visible that he handles himself well as a COACH. What does Hughes having a room full of belts and a MW champ has to do with his ability in coaching?

I'm getting a wibe that you have this mentality "if you're a great fighter you're a great coach."

Their both good coaches, but having fighters accomplish big things is determining factor in who is the better high level MMA coach in my mind, Hughes already has 1, Serra never had any, never had anybody close. Lawler came out with perfect gameplans against Trigg and Lawler, became a much better wrestler, and had raised his cardio to 5 round level, guess who he trains with/under that would help the most with those 3 things?

Hughes TUF team could lose every single fight on the show and he would still be the more accomplished MMA coach. Plus, its not like Hughes can't coach newbies, look at season 2.

[ufoalf]

Their both good coaches, but having fighters accomplish big things is determining factor in who is the better high level MMA coach in my mind, Hughes already has 1, Serra never had any, never had anybody close.

Hughes TUF team could lose every single fight on the show and he would still be the more accomplished MMA coach. Plus, its not like Hughes can't coach newbies, look at season 2.

Perhaps.

I actually never watched Season 1 or 2, so i wouldn't know :roll:

[rekcutnevets]

I believe that not making Danzig fight Speer was Serra's first major mistake.

He now risks having both advance, and his team losing two of its fighters. It makes no difference to me, because I really don't care which fighter wins the show. If it's Danzig, Speer, George, or the tall dude that smiles alot and can't wake himself up; it's all fine by me.

One thing I've noticed is that time on this show does seem to really improve your skills. Danzig complained about no getting enough sparring, yet he looked much improved since his first showing.

[Mob]

Hughes is a shit coach and I don't like him as a person. He bangs on about Jesus and farming like he is some kind of superior being. So you wrestle? So you are a farmer? So you read the bible? Well fuck off Hughes you one dimensional asshole who slates Serra for cussing then sucks Dana 'pottymouth' White's cock. Fuck you.

Right on:good