George Foreman v.s Earnie Shavers

[Bad_Intentions]

predictions

[robert ungurean]

As long as Foreman works behind a steady jab,he'll catch Shavers.

[JohnThomas1]

Foreman would maim Earnie.

[ChrisPontius]

Quarry-Shavers all over again.

[Duodenum]

Earnie has far more punching power than Foreman. But he doesn't have George's chin, skills, or physical strength. George might be best off smothering Earnie, swarming him back as Quarry did, not giving Earnie room to unload his heavy artillery. Shavers got winded easily, whereas George's muscular endurance would give out before his lungs began laboring for air. But Foreman could certainly remain effective further into a match than Shavers tended to. George also put his punches together better.

The lighter hitting (relative to Shavers) Ron Lyle was able to match punching power with George, dropping Foreman twice, and causing George to reel about the ring. But Ron had boxing skills and staying power Earnie was deficient in.

George may well need to climb off the canvas to do it, but I'd expect him to stop Shavers within five rounds. While nobody could punch harder than Earnie, I think George, like Ron Lyle, could recover from Earnie's bombs. I don't think the reverse is true.

[JohnThomas1]

Earnie has far more punching power than Foreman.

Nobody in history had far more punching power than Foreman.

[Duodenum]

Nobody in history had far more punching power than Foreman. Leroy Caldwell on Foreman and Lyle: "Foreman could punch about the same as Lyle." Leroy Caldwell on Earnie Shavers: "He was the hardest hitting human being I've ever met. He hit harder than Foreman and Lyle combined." (Source: Interview with Leroy Caldwell in, The Sweet Science, by Robert Mladinich. Tuesday, December 12, 2006.)

[My dinner with Conteh]

The shoot-out of the century this could be. As much as I like Earnie, it has to be George. Shavers could be beaten when met head-on, Foreman couldn't. George KO3.

[MachineGunMitch]

I wouldent say Shavers is way more power then big george....

[Duodenum]

I wouldent say Shavers is way more power then big george....I haven't been hit by either of them, but am going on the consensus opinions of those who have. Holmes has clearly stated that Shavers hit harder than Tyson, and Mike connected pretty solidly on Larry. I haven't found any accounts of anybody who remembers being hit by Earnie saying Shavers was not the hardest puncher they'd been hit by. But if Leroy Caldwell (who competed against Cleveland Williams, as well as Shavers, Lyle, and Foreman), says that Lyle and Foreman hit about the same, and that Earnie hit harder than Lyle and Foreman together, I'd tend to define that as Shavers having way more power. Leroy Caldwell would be a pretty authoritative and well-qualified source. (Foreman power X 2 = < Shavers power) OR (Foreman power + Lyle Power = < Shavers Power)

[My dinner with Conteh]

I haven't been hit by either of them, but am going on the consensus opinions of those who have. Holmes has clearly stated that Shavers hit harder than Tyson, and Mike connected pretty solidly on Larry. I haven't found any accounts of anybody who remembers being hit by Earnie saying Shavers was not the hardest puncher they'd been hit by. But if Leroy Caldwell (who competed against Cleveland Williams, as well as Shavers, Lyle, and Foreman), says that Lyle and Foreman hit about the same, and that Earnie hit harder than Lyle and Foreman together, I'd tend to define that as Shavers having way more power. Leroy Caldwell would be a pretty authoritative and well-qualified source. (Foreman power X 2 = < Shavers power) OR (Foreman power + Lyle Power = < Shavers Power)


I'm very surprised you're taking Larry's word, loads of fighters say shit like "Hey the guy I beat up hit much harder than the fella that knocked the fuck out of me", especially an unbelievably sore loser like Holmes. Your Caldwell quote is good, as he was beaten by all three and he's obviously a decent chap. Holmes in his situation would say Lyle (how only outpointed him) hit harder.

[DocDevil]

I watched both fighters and really liked them,probably always have favored the big punchers.But George had a helluva a chin,while Earnie stumbled over his, Ron Stander,Quarry etc.If they both waded into each other,and that is how exactly I see these two guys going at.I see both of them Really getting hit,but I cannot visualize Shavers taking a Foreman bomb,getting back up and winning.

[JimmyShimmy]

Shavers could be beaten when met head-on, Foreman couldn't.

Is that 'cause Cus D' Amato said so?

[My dinner with Conteh]

Is that 'cause Cus D' Amato said so?


Or Shavers did and Foreman didn't. No, because I said so.

[Titan1]

Foreman would crush Earnie Shavers in 1 or 2 rounds.

[JimmyShimmy]

Or Shavers did and Foreman didn't. No, because I said so.

As long as you understand the difference between didn't and couldn't.

[My dinner with Conteh]

As long as you understand the difference between didn't and couldn't.


Well didn't is far more decisive. So that bodes even less well for Mr Shaver. :good

[Duodenum]

I'm very surprised you're taking Larry's word, loads of fighters say shit like "Hey the guy I beat up hit much harder than the fella that knocked the fuck out of me", especially an unbelievably sore loser like Holmes. Your Caldwell quote is good, as he was beaten by all three and he's obviously a decent chap. Holmes in his situation would say Lyle (how only outpointed him) hit harder.True, it's a far comment to note that about Larry, but other statements he's made along these lines corroborate with what others have said who were indeed able to compare Shavers to others. For all Holmes knew at the time he faced Tyson, other former opponents of Shavers on the Geritol comeback trail may have also had future encounters with Tyson, or perhaps would have an opportunity to spar with both Earnie and Mike. Larry had to feel pretty confident that his stated observations would be independently supported by other first hand reports.

I'm not aware of Larry having any heat with Tyson. I don't visit his site much, but from what I understand, his issues are with Scott LeDoux, Foreman, and Norton, not Tyson. (Of course, other noted hitters Larry's faced are McCall, Bonecrusher, Weaver, Mercer, Holyfield, Witherspoon and Cooney, though never Lyle.)

[My dinner with Conteh]

I think he once said Cooney hit harder than Tyson too. While it's possible. I think it's fair to say that Mike landed more significantly than Gerry did. Methinks t'is more of Larry's sour grapes made from vintage Eastern whine. ;)

[JimmyShimmy]

Aye, I watched both Foreman and Shavers last night, and Foreman seems far more likely to be the last one standing, but you have to wonder how Foreman would deal if Shavers got through clean with his pet right.

[Duodenum]

I think he once said Cooney hit harder than Tyson too. While it's possible. I think it's fair to say that Mike landed more significantly than Gerry did. Methinks t'is more of Larry's sour grapes made from vintage Eastern whine. ;)Well, that wine would explain away many of my posts. (Conteh, do you really think I've been sober while offering messages to this forum?)

[My dinner with Conteh]

Well, that wine would explain away many of my posts. (Conteh, do you really think I've been sober while offering messages to this forum?)


Ha ha, no. I think you've been painting the town red with Neon Leon. :good


While i've been sipping sweet tea with Mr Shaver

[Duodenum]

Ha ha, no. I think you've been painting the town red with Neon Leon. :good


While i've been sipping sweet tea with Mr ShaverFunny you should mention red. We've had a heat wave where I've been lately, and last night, I brought my long dormant bartending skills out of mothballs to brain-freeze myself on strawberry margueritas. (I have yet to recover, I'm happy to say!) Enjoy your tea!

[C. M. Clay II]

Foreman via first-round knockout.

I totally agree.:good

[Stonehands89]

Foreman, early KO after scary moments.

Foreman's chin was granite, particularly pre-Zaire when he believed that he was the black Superman. He didn't recover from the kryptonite that Ali fed him for more than a decade.

Both men are roughly comparable with power, but that Shaver's overhand was the single most devestating HW shot. Foreman could take it better than Shavers and that's about all there is to say.

[unitas]

foreman ko 2.

[Muchmoore]

Foreman by 1st round knockout. Shavers did not have a good chin.

[la-califa]

Foreman-Lyle all over again! With the same result Foreman would put Shavers down & keep him down with his bombs.

[NickHudson]

Agreed, I dont think we should use the Foreman v. Lyle fight as proof of anything.

Foreman had confidence with a big C prior to Ali, and it is that Foreman, huge, powerful and supremely confident who we are talking about.

Foreman KO2 Shavers.

Foreman, early KO after scary moments.

Foreman's chin was granite, particularly pre-Zaire when he believed that he was the black Superman. He didn't recover from the kryptonite that Ali fed him for more than a decade.

Both men are roughly comparable with power, but that Shaver's overhand was the single most devestating HW shot. Foreman could take it better than Shavers and that's about all there is to say.

[Holmes' Jab]

Bad matchup for Shavers. Foreman wins, by early KO.

[George W Hedge]

Foreman v Shavers....

2 of the hardest hitters in history.... GF had the better chin & beat the better fighters so I go with Foreman by tko rd 7.

[MarcianoIsABum]

Jerry Quarry knocked him out Shavers in 1 round? And you think it would take Foreman longer? Foreman in 1 round.

[kolcade4]

This would be a repeat of the Lyle- Foreman fight ,which might I remind you was my most favorite fight of all time next to Holmes /Norton

[MRBILL]

Shavers was a puncher, but his power is als greatly fabled since his KO's are all over a buncha' ham and eggers, etc.... Shavers two best KO's over notable foe's are "Ellis & Shavers."

Foreman was also a wicked puncher in his prime, and he too, KO'd a buncha' ham and eggers while on the rise to Kayoing Joe Frazier in 1973, but he proved far superior to Earnie Shavers in the long run..

Foreman KO's Shavers in 4 rds...:bbb:deal

MR.BILL:hat

[Vince Voltage]

Two of my favorites! Earnie might win once or twice in 10 meetings, if he's lucky. Foreman's height and weight would allow him to get to Earnie first and Shavers wouldn't be able to take it. I'd pay big money to see it, though.

[MarcianoIsABum]

MrBill so Foreman was the only person to knock out so called Ham and Eggers? So dick Marciano, So did Tyson, So did Louis, So does every boxer from time to time.

[DannyL12345]

Foreman KO inside of 4

[MarcianoIsABum]

I said Foreman in 1 round you douche bags so stop making more replies. Dont make me beat up a midget out of anger because of you people

[tommygun711]

I said Foreman in 1 round you douche bags so stop making more replies. Dont make me beat up a midget out of anger because of you people

Foreman TKO4

[MarcianoIsABum]

Ok now I am going to beat up a midget and that will be on you, Wait never mind, I can't fight so a midget would probably beat me up. But Foreman would still win in 1 round. As I said if Quarry and other fighters could do it in 1 round then so could Foreman

[clark]

I've read that Norton has said Foreman hit him harder.
Either way, Foreman by K.O.

[Liechhardt]

Agree Foreman in 1 or 2, as soon as George hurts him, he gets him the fuck out of there. Be brutal.

[Boxed Ears]

Leroy Caldwell on Foreman and Lyle: "Foreman could punch about the same as Lyle." Leroy Caldwell on Earnie Shavers: "He was the hardest hitting human being I've ever met. He hit harder than Foreman and Lyle combined." (Source: Interview with Leroy Caldwell in, The Sweet Science, by Robert Mladinich. Tuesday, December 12, 2006.)

Holy shit! ...Briggs said Vitali Klitschko hit harder than Foreman or Lewis! :admin...But I didn't actually believe him.

[zadfrak]

I don't see Earnie handling the strength and shoving and pushing and physical style George had in his first career. And I think Earnie is the guy doing the backing up here and that really doesn't do him any favors either. George shoves him and moves him a step or 2 away and then unloads when Earnie is in that no man's land. His only hope is to land that looping right hand over that extended left of Foreman when he starts to muscle Earnie. But George did take a good shot and it just seems to me it's a lot easier for George to execute his gameplan than earnie has of landing over Foreman's left hand.

And once Earnie is hurt and ready to go, he won't last 20 seconds with this guy. He just doesn't have the tools to escape and kill time which would help a ton. Great fight to watch and just who did not want to see these 2 sluggers go at it back then in a gunslinger match like this? I was surprised King did not put this together around 76/77.

[FJAY360]

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[MarcianoIsABum]

Wow Ali said Shavers hit harder? Wow and we know Ali never lies, he never mentions Frazier's power even though Frazier knocked him down. No sane person gives a damn about what Ali says.

Leroy Caldwell was knocked out by Foreman in 2 rounds and by Shavers in 2 rounds. If Shavers punched so much harder then he would of knocked out Caldwell much quicker then. Nobody cares about this punch drunk idiot either.

Shavers has a glass chin and that means he gets knocked out in 1 round.

[fg2227]

i hope u are joking?

[Valane]

Wow Ali said Shavers hit harder? Wow and we know Ali never lies, he never mentions Frazier's power even though Frazier knocked him down. No sane person gives a damn about what Ali says.

Leroy Caldwell was knocked out by Foreman in 2 rounds and by Shavers in 2 rounds. If Shavers punched so much harder then he would of knocked out Caldwell much quicker then. Nobody cares about this punch drunk idiot either.

Shavers has a glass chin and that means he gets knocked out in 1 round.



Having more power doesn't mean a lot if you are not landing it. From what i have seen and numerous opinions Shavers hit harder.

George would beat Shavers though, Shavers has a punchers chance.

[orriray59]

Shavers likes to move forward. Shavers has a bad chin.

If you're going to go toe to toe with Big George, you're going to need a fucking SOLID chin. Shavers was devastated by Jerry Quarry.

Foreman, KO, Rd. 2

[Muchmoore]

If you're going to go toe to toe with Big George, you're going to need a fucking SOLID chin.


Bottom line.

[Curtis Lowe]

Foreman in 1 round.

I saw Shavers train in person prior to his Bugner fight in Dallas. I was very surprised that Shavers was not nearly as big a man as I had previously thought. Foreman was/is a huge man, with underrated skills and obvious power. The size difference would be surprising to most. George crushes Earnie.

[MarcianoIsABum]

Again Ali said alot of stupid things so him saying Shavers hit harder than Foreman when Foreman never landed any solid head shots in the whole fight proves nothing. Lyle got iced by Foreman but said Shavers hit harder, Maybe he doesnt like Foreman so he doesnt want to give him credit.