The Unbiased Assessment of Guzman Thread

[acb]

No haters or huggers. :deal

How did he look tonight.?

Did he really run like many said on round by round? Or was he just very slick defensively?

Potential matchup with Pac... how do you see it going?

[kg0208]

He ran at the end, but in a show off kind of way. I also think he was tired. He clearly won, he was clearly in another class, but I think he would tire against Pacquiao and lose. Not sure Pacquiao could hurt him, because Soto hit him flush often to no avail.

He has great handspeed, still throws looping punches, and honestly his running at the end was irrelevant because there were times he stood right in front of Soto and dodged every blow.

[kg0208]

Also, to be sure the point gets across, there were many times in the fight where Guzman stood and traded, and got the better of the exchange. And often his running wasn't running but circling, because he stayed in range and would jab Soto.

[brooklyn1550]

He looked very impressive

His handspeed is second to none at 130 and it allowed him to get the better of Soto in exchanges. When he kept it in the center of the ring, he was most effective, but even on the ropes, his slickness and defense made it extremely hard for Soto to land clean shots. He is a great counterpuncher too and he certainly landed a fair amount of counter left hooks and right hands.

He ran at times during the end of the fight, but in a showboating sort of manner. But most of the times, he stayed in range and outboxed Soto. Overall, a very impressive performance. I would pick him over Juan Manuel Marquez, Manny Pacquiao, and Edwin Valero.

[markbrooklyn]

He looked better then i expected.. He didn't run like Soto and his people claimed he would. He was very slick defensively and rolled alot of Sotos punches. Very fast hands and quick feet. Looks like he has very good stamina too and can take a pretty good punch. He was actualy backing up Soto in the fight a few times rather then the other way around. Guzman beats Pac IMO

[markbrooklyn]

And if you look at my Guzman vs Soto predictions thread you'll see i said he has ELITE skills. I think he showed them tonight against a tough fighter with pretty good skills himself in Soto

[eze]

he looked great, boxed circles around Soto when he needed to and traded when he wanted. Guzman controlled the fight. he was easily. Dont listen to anyone who thought it was even close.

[41fever]

He looked very good. He's older and his weight fluctuates too much. He may have a short successful career.

[acb]

KG- do you see Guzman's tendancy to fatigue as being related to trying to make weight (I heard he was 148lbs tonight)?

Brooklyn- How do you see him fighting Pac (what strategy)?


Question for both: If Guzman has to move up in weight, how would he fare.... he already has little power for 130lbs.

[4Rounder]

He looked very good, his running in circles away from Soto was a bit dissappointing but not a bad performance. Soto could have let his hands go a little more on the ropes but Guzman's defense kept him cool for most of the fight.

I don't think Pacquiao would be able to hurt him, never mind out boxing, but speed vs speed should gives us an interesting fight.

[kg0208]

KG- do you see Guzman's tendancy to fatigue as being related to trying to make weight (I heard he was 148lbs tonight)?

Brooklyn- How do you see him fighting Pac (what strategy)?


Question for both: If Guzman has to move up in weight, how would he fare.... he already has little power for 130lbs.
He can outbox a 135lb fighter if his chin holds up, and it looks solid.

His tendency to fatigue may be due to gaining weight. It would hurt him against Pacquiao. He DOES have the skills to outbox Pacquiao for 8-9 rounds and then hope the lead holds. But that is a hard proposition. But make no mistake, the guy can fight. And with his chin, he would be interesting in the ring with Pacquiao.

[Amsterdam]

He looked very impressive

His handspeed is second to none at 130 and it allowed him to get the better of Soto in exchanges. When he kept it in the center of the ring, he was most effective, but even on the ropes, his slickness and defense made it extremely hard for Soto to land clean shots. He is a great counterpuncher too and he certainly landed a fair amount of counter left hooks and right hands.

He ran at times during the end of the fight, but in a showboating sort of manner. But most of the times, he stayed in range and outboxed Soto. Overall, a very impressive performance. I would pick him over Juan Manuel Marquez, Manny Pacquiao, and Edwin Valero.

Valero shouldn't be mentioned, he's nothing special other than power, but otherwise I agree and have stood by this for a while.

Guzman is the best fighter at 130 pounds and has been avoided his entire career accordingly.

[Boom_Boom]

He has tremendous speed, hes a more exciting version than Mayweather.

No one in the division can hurt him, but I do question his offense, he likes to trade when he moves forward but looks bad when exchanging.

Id pick JMM over him, call it 50-50 against Pac, and pick him to UD everyone else.

[brooklyn1550]

Brooklyn- How do you see him fighting Pac (what strategy)?


Question for both: If Guzman has to move up in weight, how would he fare.... he already has little power for 130lbs.

I see him using a similar strategy against Pacquiao. He would keep the fight in the middle of the ring, slip/catch and counter. On the ropes, he would slip and counter as well, but I'd imagine Pacquiao would have the most success with Guzman against the ropes. In the end, Guzman would be landing the cleaner shots and would land more shots than Pacquiao. Guzman could also get the better of Pacquiao in exchanges, but he wouldn't want to get in too many.

Not a final analysis or anything, just a quick guess. I'd have to rewatch some of their fights to get a better picture of how a fight between them would turn out. Pacquiao would do better than Soto in my opinion.

[maracho]

No haters or huggers. :deal

How did he look tonight.?

Did he really run like many said on round by round? Or was he just very slick defensively?

Potential matchup with Pac... how do you see it going?

You should have listed cronies as well because they are swarming tonight.:lol:

[Symphenyceo]

Guzman didnt run!!..And IMO he is the best at 130lb..I dont think anyone at 130 can match his skill

[brooklyn1550]

Valero shouldn't be mentioned, he's nothing special other than power, but otherwise I agree and have stood by this for a while.

Yeah, he's a titleholder, but a step below Pacquiao, Marquez, and Guzman. I would favor Soto over Valero. Do you think Barrera could possibly beat Valero, even at this stage?

[Decebal]

He made Soto look very average indeed.

Only possible criticism is that in 2 rounds, he ran a bit - but that was after winning the round clearly in all possible ways, and it was done more as a showboating trick, showing off his footwork -

He was better than Soto by a mile in: boxing, trading, dodging blows against the ropes and hitting back like a cat...

Guzman was very smooth - his movement was excellent, very fast - Soto was always playing catchup, Guzman was very precise and clean - had a very high percentage of hits/throws...dominated Soto in every aspect, including power punching, trading on the inside, taking a punch...everything...

Guzman won that by at big margin - and never, for one moment looked in any danger or outclassed or in any way not in control. Guzman is Guzman - this performance was very reminiscent of the performance against Barrios, because, if you go in he ring with Guzman, you dance to HIS music. :good

[the_what]

He was salsa dancing infront of Guzman. And Soto still coudnt hit him. It was a beautiful performance. I had it 10-2. And Soto is no pushover.

[Amsterdam]

Yeah, he's a titleholder, but a step below Pacquiao, Marquez, and Guzman. I would favor Soto over Valero. Do you think Barrera could possibly beat Valero, even at this stage?

Yes, Barrera likely knocks him the fuck out too. I'm tired of hearing about Valero, aside from his obvious power, he's not that skilled, not that fast and lacks other good attributes like good timing. His chin is also quite suspect.

[Brickhaus]

Looked good in the first half of the fight (although he got the worse end of almost every exchange that was in close), got more defensive in rounds 6 - 9, then actually ran the last three rounds. Basically, he figured out that if he just kept moving laterally and switching his direction every 10 seconds or so, Soto could never catch up with him. He wasn't running like Andre Dirrell, but he certainly was trying to prevent Soto from engaging him. It was a winning strategy, but it also probably hurts his ability to get any more money fights. I still gave Guzman every round except the last 3.

I could see him beating Pac if Pac tries to fight like he did against Barerra. If he can go back to brawling, and use his own speed to cut off the ring (Soto just wasn't quick enough to do this), then I see Pac winning.

[divac]

He has tremendous speed, hes a more exciting version than Mayweather.

No one in the division can hurt him, but I do question his offense, he likes to trade when he moves forward but looks bad when exchanging.

Id pick JMM over him, call it 50-50 against Pac, and pick him to UD everyone else.I'm kind of in the same boat that you are on this....

Guzman offensive arsenal doe'nt really impress me. Its not bad, but certainly others in the division, including Soto's is better.

There is no question tha Guzman's combination of speed, quickness, and just outright mass, makes him a threat to any 130 pounder.
Guzman is just huge for a 130 pounder.

I think you're right that Marquez would have the best chance at beating Guzman, simply because Marquez has better offensive skills and throws straight punches in comparison with Guzman's more looping shots.
Even so, its a tough matchup even for Marquez.....if Guzman decides to make it a dancing contest, seeing that Guzman has better speed and is quicker.....that can make it difficult for a fighter like Marquez who's best choice is to fight the much bigger Guzman is off the backfoot.

I'd agree, 50/50 against Pac.....Pac does shoot a straight left. Much straighter than Guzman's shots......Pac will land that straight left often, but if he's unable to hurt Guzman?????
I doubt Pac would outbox Guzman, although I'd question Guzman's stamina, Pac could outwork him and outhustle him down the stretch.
.....after having it 6-3-1 in rounds after 10 complete, Soto on my card took the last 2 because Guzman simply ran and Soto outhustled him.
......so although, Guzman had it pretty much in hand after 10, those two rounds at the end made it razor close on my card 115-114!

No question that Guzman's combination of speed, quickness, and size mass, makes him a tough beat for any 130 pounder!

[Jose FM]

For all the HATERS! Who said he had no power and therefore would not beat Soto! SUCK IT, BITCHES!!

[psychopath]

No haters or huggers. :deal

How did he look tonight.?

Did he really run like many said on round by round? Or was he just very slick defensively?

Potential matchup with Pac... how do you see it going?

Well I didn't bet on that but I could have lost . . . I'm expecting Guzman to box and Sotto would land big punches later in the fight but Guzman outwit Sotto till the end so he won a U.D. as expected.

Potential Pac Match up? After this fight . . . the more I don't see it happening. Pac always wanted a slugfest and I don't think he will take the risk of fighting a boring fighter like Guzman. Win or lose . . . Pac's reputation will be dragged down instead of increasing it.

Take note that people like Pac NOT because he is the most technically skilled fighter . . . people like the guy because of the action and excitement he brings into every fight.

If the JMM fight pushes through . . . I can see Pac going up at 135 after that to fight any of the Diazes or Katsidis.