Lewis Povetkin side by side first 13

[Alcaldemb]

A comparison of the records of Lennox Lewis and Alexander Povetkin's first 13 opponents at the time they fought them.

Lewis 336

197-126-13 (116). % W 58, L 37, D 3, KO 34

Povetkin 317

232-71-14 (141). % W 73, L 22, D 5, KO 44

Very impressive side by side comparison.

[Daruf]

Povetkin is 1 of the most impressive prospects in a long long time.

[joeboxer]

Thanks for doing the math on that. I think now people have to recognize Povetkin as the heir apparent. Donald is a tricky fighter. I like Valuev, I thought he beat Ruiz. But I thought Donald should have gotten the knod against the giant. Povetkin basically shut him out. People still see Povetkin's chin as a question mark, but he hasn't even been stunned yet. He doesn't have one punch ko power, but he has good skills, fast hands, he can keep the pressure on in the later rounds as we saw today and he is relentless. He could unify all the titles in a couple of years. Its not hype anymore. This guy already deserves a title shot. He is far more deserving than Austin, Barrett, Beck, Briggs and Toney were at the time they got shots.

[Bigcat]

Stats don't always tell the best tale.. Just watching the Povetkin resume, and way he has beaten them is enough..

To Stop Chapman and Bostice like he did and get points wins over Donald and Ahunanya is very solid stats.....

He is almost ready for a top tenner.. The problem being . once you take ona top ten fighter , there is no stepping back.. Using the precious time in moving his skills rather than rushing can pay heavy dividends in the bigger picture..

Guinn is the move to showcase his points standing.. maybe on an American debut.... That would be great......

[Alcaldemb]

Stats don't always tell the best tale.. Just watching the Povetkin resume, and way he has beaten them is enough..

To Stop Chapman and Bostice like he did and get points wins over Donald and Ahunanya is very solid stats.....

He is almost ready for a top tenner.. The problem being . once you take ona top ten fighter , there is no stepping back.. Using the precious time in moving his skills rather than rushing can pay heavy dividends in the bigger picture..

Guinn is the move to showcase his points standing.. maybe on an American debut.... That would be great......

Guinn is such a step back though. I think Guinn would get punished into his first stoppage loss. Not that he would be KO, but just the accumulation of punishment would see the fight stopped. He should fight a top ten fighter, Virchis, Brock and Briggs seem the most logical.

[boxingcar]

He doesn't have one punch ko power, but he has good skills, fast hands, he can keep the pressure on in the later rounds as we saw today and he is relentless.

True , His KO power is not as solid as a tua or sam peter but fuck that...

His combos!!!!...are so fucking great , that he compensates this little problem and acumulates combinations , punches on his opponents...He's very active.

and that's what makes the difference. He's very different from any of the current top 10 guys.

He has a big potential. and not only that..He could be the one to grab all the belts one day...He's an exciting fighter too.

It's been a long ass time since i've seen a prospect like this in the HW division.

Hope he's not moving too fast though...but so far , He's been VERY dominant. and if his amateur career reflects what his pro career is going to be like...Then He's gonna be a killer.

[joeboxer]

True , His KO power is not as solid as a tua or sam peter but fuck that...

His combos!!!!...are so fucking great , that he compensates this little problem and acumulates combinations , punches on his opponents...He's very active.

and that's what makes the difference. He's very different from any of the current top 10 guys.

He has a big potential. and not only that..He could be the one to grab all the belts one day...He's an exciting fighter too.

It's been a long ass time since i've seen a prospect like this in the HW division.

Hope he's not moving too fast though...but so far , He's been VERY dominant. and if his amateur career reflects what his pro career is going to be like...Then He's gonna be a killer.I agree. and his style is fun to watch!

[CASH_718]

The difference between Lewis and Pavetkin is that Lewis went on to be the undisputed Heavyweight champion of the world.......... We've yet to see if Pavetkin can do the same.

[Danny Ocean]

people saying he should fight for A title are out of order

povetkin still needs to be groomed

face fighters who can prove things without the threat of beating him

fight rahman or maybe timur ibrag

[o_money]

Stats don't always tell the best tale.. Just watching the Povetkin resume, and way he has beaten them is enough..

To Stop Chapman and Bostice like he did and get points wins over Donald and Ahunanya is very solid stats.....

He is almost ready for a top tenner.. The problem being . once you take ona top ten fighter , there is no stepping back.. Using the precious time in moving his skills rather than rushing can pay heavy dividends in the bigger picture..

Guinn is the move to showcase his points standing.. maybe on an American debut.... That would be great......

totally agree....He could probably be sultan and oleg right now but his people shouldn't bring him a long too quickly. He needs more time to refine his young (but already impressive) game.

[o_money]

another thing that has too be mentioned is he is not as physically/athletically gifted as LL. So I would be suprized too see him do as well. but thats not exactly a knock considering LL is top 5 ever no agruement.

[Alcaldemb]

people saying he should fight for A title are out of order

povetkin still needs to be groomed

face fighters who can prove things without the threat of beating him

fight rahman or maybe timur ibrag

Rahman, are you kidding? He would starch Rahman and Timur is in the same boat or maybe below Donald. He needs to fight someone like Virchis, if he can win that then you do go for a title shot.

Cash the point isn't that Povetkin will be better than Lennox, we don't know that yet. The point is that his competition matches up very well with that of the last great heavy.

[Alcaldemb]

another thing that has too be mentioned is he is not as physically/athletically gifted as LL. So I would be suprized too see him do as well. but thats not exactly a knock considering LL is top 5 ever no agruement.

That is a stretch saying he isn't as physically/athletically gifted as LL. In what regards? Yes LL was taller and heavier, though not by much as Lennox was around 230 for a long time and Povetkin is 225. Povetkin doesn't have his reach or height, but is faster and puts combinations together much better. Both of them have good balance and footwork.

[Bigcat]

yes many think that you just keep pushing and pushing upwards and onward.

You will break your fighter doing that, Let him enjoy his career now and again..

If Alex has a date in the US. Let him look good, give him a made opponent.

That is why i suggested Guinn, If he looks good beating Guinn in America..

It is a PR.. Sucess..

But it also makes him personally feel comfortable fighting in front of a US. Tv audience..

It helps the whole Povetkin machine tick in a better global fashion..

[Bigcat]

Lennox had dimensionally the far better tools, that is all he was saying..

[Alcaldemb]

Lennox had dimensionally the far better tools, that is all he was saying..

Lewis arguably has a better jab and longer right, he also had a good uppercut. Povetkin's jab is shorter, but apparently showed up quite well tonight. His right hand is also shorter, but he throws it more sharply, especially as a counter. Povetkin also has a hook to both the head and body and does utilize an uppercut.

No Povetkin has not proved as much as Lennox overall, granted he is a much more complete fighter than Lennox was before the McCall fight, but I don't think he is physically less talented or that his arsenal is less than that of Lennox.

[o_money]

That is a stretch saying he isn't as physically/athletically gifted as LL. In what regards? Yes LL was taller and heavier, though not by much as Lennox was around 230 for a long time and Povetkin is 225. Povetkin doesn't have his reach or height, but is faster and puts combinations together much better. Both of them have good balance and footwork.
Because its still young in his career and he as of yet has not had that much coverage I can only go on what i have seen.

the LL that was 230 was trim as hell, tall rangy, and in my oppinion had faster harder punches then sash.


In my opionion he is only above average physically. I would like to see this last fight before making a decision but at this point I would say his stamina is worse.


I would agree that techniqually he is exceptional.


I guess what I'm saying is that the to me basis of povetkin's great potential looks to me to be in his mental and technical strength, more then his physical strengths.

Where as LL for such a big man was probably one of the best athletes to have competed at heavey wieght.

[Chileno606]

how tall is povetkin? how about his weight?

[o_money]

Lewis arguably has a better jab and longer right, he also had a good uppercut. Povetkin's jab is shorter, but apparently showed up quite well tonight. His right hand is also shorter, but he throws it more sharply, especially as a counter. Povetkin also has a hook to both the head and body and does utilize an uppercut.

No Povetkin has not proved as much as Lennox overall, granted he is a much more complete fighter than Lennox was before the McCall fight, but I don't think he is physically less talented or that his arsenal is less than that of Lennox.

you seem to be stuck on techniqual aspect of boxing. I'm talking more natural gifts that translate across all sports.

[o_money]

how tall is povetkin? how about his weight?
6'2 and at 225 he's pudgy.

built like sultan or chagev. but a little stockier and more physically/athletically gifted then them.

[BigEars]

6'2 and at 225 he's pudgy.

built like sultan or chagev. but a little stockier and more physically/athletically gifted then them.

He's sort of a natural pudgy though , it's not as if he's like that because he isn't in shape .

[emanuel_augustus]

He would starch Rahman and Timur is in the same boat or maybe below Donald. He needs to fight someone like Virchis, if he can win that then you do go for a title shot.

Rahman is better than Virchis. I agree with Bigcat, Guinn would be a good opponent at this stage. A fairly easy showcase for Povetkin.

Barrett or Thompson would also be good choices. Solid choices to give AP some more work before he steps up in '08 to take on the top 10 guys.

I would work to get a Guinn/Barrett type in the fall, say September or October, then early in '08 target someone like Calvin Brock, a solid legit contender who has been there on the doorstep and who is pretty much ready made for Povetkin.

This kid should be ready for to challenge anyone by summer of '08, that means Ibragimov, Chagaev, Maskaev, if any of those guys are still champs.

I do hope that they bring him to America though and he doesn't just stay on Euro TV. His style would make him very popular here and there is money to be made.

[Alcaldemb]

you seem to be stuck on techniqual aspect of boxing. I'm talking more natural gifts that translate across all sports.

You seem a little stuck on looks. He isn't chiseled but he is a tremendous natural athlete.

[Alcaldemb]

Here is how I think they stack up physically. Lewis is taller with longer reach and I think he is physically stronger. However I think that Povetkin is faster and probably has better reflexes as he has shown the ability to counter punch quite well already. They both have good balance and footwork.

As far as looks, Povetkin just don't develop a six pack but it is quite clear that he is solid as most pictures indicate as he has matured some that his chest, shoulder and arm area are more muscular than they were before and that his stomach has leaned out a bit.

[o_money]

He's sort of a natural pudgy though , it's not as if he's like that because he isn't in shape .

ohh yeah I know he could run him self to death and eat nothing but lettus and he still wouldn't look like a track star. Not holding that against him.

[o_money]

Here is how I think they stack up physically. Lewis is taller with longer reach and I think he is physically stronger. However I think that Povetkin is faster and probably has better reflexes as he has shown the ability to counter punch quite well already. They both have good balance and footwork.

As far as looks, Povetkin just don't develop a six pack but it is quite clear that he is solid as most pictures indicate as he has matured some that his chest, shoulder and arm area are more muscular than they were before and that his stomach has leaned out a bit.

I'd agree with most of this. And I'd say that at this point in his career his foot work and balance are probably better then LL's were.

The one question for me would be his reflexes....but they throw different kinds of punches so its tough to tell without seeing more of sash.

[Mr "T"]

True , His KO power is not as solid as a tua or sam peter but fuck that...

His combos!!!!...are so fucking great , that he compensates this little problem and acumulates combinations , punches on his opponents...He's very active.

and that's what makes the difference. He's very different from any of the current top 10 guys.

He has a big potential. and not only that..He could be the one to grab all the belts one day...He's an exciting fighter too.

It's been a long ass time since i've seen a prospect like this in the HW division.

Hope he's not moving too fast though...but so far , He's been VERY dominant. and if his amateur career reflects what his pro career is going to be like...Then He's gonna be a killer.
You put Peter in the same punching power class as Tua? C'mon.

[Alcaldemb]

I'd agree with most of this. And I'd say that at this point in his career his foot work and balance are probably better then LL's were.

The one question for me would be his reflexes....but they throw different kinds of punches so its tough to tell without seeing more of sash.

Well we will probably know a lot more once the Donald fight is loaded on youtube or google video. I would agree about the footwork and balance right now. Lewis had to do more work to learn it, it seems more natural for Sasha.

[DamonD]

Last 13 will be more important I think! ;)

[o_money]

Well we will probably know a lot more once the Donald fight is loaded on youtube or google video. I would agree about the footwork and balance right now. Lewis had to do more work to learn it, it seems more natural for Sasha.
yup he certainly seems like a natural. It just worries me how small he looks when he's in there with some guys. He'll fillout more though.

[Alcaldemb]

yup he certainly seems like a natural. It just worries me how small he looks when he's in there with some guys. He'll fillout more though.

Actually it isn't until the Phil Jackson fight that Lewis fought over 230 consistently. Of the 24 fights before that nine of them were below 230. I think Povetkin will fill out to be about 230 or so, he is naturally bigger than Holyfield and no one seems to discount a prime Holy from fighting today even though he was only fighting at about 213.

[Alcaldemb]

Last 13 will be more important I think! ;)

I agree. The point is being missed it a bit. I am not saying Povetkin is better than Lennox. I am saying he is fighting good competition early on and using a past great's competition as a reference point.