Look at the referees actions in Asikainen - Sylvester 2!!!

[Toney]

Youtube has now two of the fouls that Sylvester did in the fight. The German TV repley cut out the intention, damaging foul in round 8, so now also the German people can see how Sylvester punched Asikainen right in the neck intentionally. Here is the foul in round 8:
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No doubt that the ref should had given Asikainen a lot more time to recover. Asikainen was hurt. He was never the same after the foul. And no doubt about that the foul was intentional. According to the EBU rules the referee should had taken 2 points away from Sylvester and given recovery time to Asikainen. He landed an intentional foul that damaged his opponent.

And round 11 was also very controversial. Sylvester puts Asikainen´s head down with his left hand and punches with his right hand. Asikainen was badly hurt. AND THE REFEREE DID CALL IT A FOUL. Look at the tape. He did point out to Sylvester that he did a foul. He ruled it to be a foul. But once again the referee Giuseppe Quartarone did not give Asikainen any time to rest nor did he take any points away from Sylvester. According to the EBU rules the referee should had taken 2 points away from Sylvester and given recovery time to Asikainen. He landed an intentional foul that damaged his opponent.

Look at it:
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The ref calls it a foul, but does nothing. Asikainen has to pay a very high price.


And look at the end. Asikainen has his mouthpeace in his hand, when the ref allows Sylvester to go after him! That is sick!


Could someone please upload the end of the first round to youtube? It shows how the referee helps Sylveter up from a canvas and do not even call it a knockdown.

[Toney]

P3 Boxing has now left an official complaint to the European Boxing Union. I belive that EBU does the right thing and takes Asikainen´side in this matter. Here is the complaint: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[Toney]

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You´re man lost fair and square, get over it. You´re trying what Miranda´s team did after his fight in Germany and that is worse sportmanship than some fouls inside the ring. That´s not ballet, there were some fouls but no way Sylvester hsould have been dqed.
I always thought of you as a knowledgeable un-biased poster, well, you corrected my thoughts. Okey, if we want these thigs to keep happening, lets let it be...

But look at the youtube videos and say honestly that do you think that the ref was fair to Asikainen??? Do you think that he should had not given Asikainen time to recover and not taken points away from Sylvester??? Do you honestly think that??? And please, look at the EBU rules: [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). The referee did not do right decisions, not according to EBUs rules.

[unitas]

Youtube has now two of the fouls that Sylvester did in the fight. The German TV repley cut out the intention, damaging foul in round 8, so now also the German people can see how Sylvester punched Asikainen right in the neck intentionally. Here is the foul in round 8:
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No doubt that the ref should had given Asikainen a lot more time to recover. Asikainen was hurt. He was never the same after the foul. And no doubt about that the foul was intentional. According to the EBU rules the referee should had taken 2 points away from Sylvester and given recovery time to Asikainen. He landed an intentional foul that damaged his opponent.

And round 11 was also very controversial. Sylvester puts Asikainen´s head down with his left hand and punches with his right hand. Asikainen was badly hurt. AND THE REFEREE DID CALL IT A FOUL. Look at the tape. He did point out to Sylvester that he did a foul. He ruled it to be a foul. But once again the referee Giuseppe Quartarone did not give Asikainen any time to rest nor did he take any points away from Sylvester. According to the EBU rules the referee should had taken 2 points away from Sylvester and given recovery time to Asikainen. He landed an intentional foul that damaged his opponent.

Look at it:
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The ref calls it a foul, but does nothing. Asikainen has to pay a very high price.


And look at the end. Asikainen has his mouthpeace in his hand, when the ref allows Sylvester to go after him! That is sick!


Could someone please upload the end of the first round to youtube? It shows how the referee helps Sylveter up from a canvas and do not even call it a knockdown.

:|:|:|:|:|:| ....fuck off with your fag asikainen. you sold us a pussy for lion......now he got exposed so fuckin live with it.

[Toney]

:|:|:|:|:|:| ....fuck off with your fag asikainen. you sold us a pussy for lion......now he got exposed so fuckin live with it.
Pussy??? How can you say that? Don´t you think that Asikainen fought his heart out in this fight???

[VHB]

Nobody ever does, except the true fighters which, according to this forum´s people, no longer exist. So I don´t see it bad Asikainen being called a bum since so are everybody else. Weird.

[Batsch]

You finnish people shouldn´t drink so much. Mr. Asikainen was knocked out. Thats all.....

[MrMagic]

Asikainen a pussy? :huh
Okay first off, he is very flawed and he got knocked out, BUT HE HAS HEART.
And besides what makes y'all entitled to say something like that about a former european champion?

I would probably say that.




After about 15 karjala? :bbb

[Jens S]

Look at the video of the 8th round. Asikainen gets hit illegal, yes. But when the fight goes on, it is Asikainen who presses the action. He is aggressive and Sylvester maybe throws three punch for the rest of the round. Asikanen moves well on his legs and chases Sylvester. He is very clearly NOT hurt.

No the referee should not give Sylvester a two point deduction for that. There is NO rule of that in the EBU rules. Because Asikainen was not injured. The referee should according to the rules give Asikainen "reasonable time for recovery", which he clearly did.

In the 12th round Asikainen deliberately lands an illegal punch at the neck of Sylvester with 1:21 to go. Why doesn't Toney whine about that? It is not so that any illegal punch should be cost a point deduction. If you look at article 20 of the EBU-rules you can see, that there is a lot of different illegal blows. Open glove is one of them. Wow, many rounds could wind up with 5-10 point deductions then. It is up to the referee to decide if a foul is so severe, that there should be a point deduction. It is not something automatic.

There is no foul with holding at the knockout. Asikainen ducks low and when he tries to move up again he pushes up in Sylvesters arm. Sylvester is not to move his arm in that situation and open himself. Asikainen is the one that should move around the arm.

I have no problem with the referee in any of the sitautions. A fair win for Sylvester (and I was actually rooting for my "nordic brother" Asikainen).

Jens

[Toney]

Look at the video of the 8th round. Asikainen gets hit illegal, yes. But when the fight goes on, it is Asikainen who presses the action. He is aggressive and Sylvester maybe throws three punch for the rest of the round. Asikanen moves well on his legs and chases Sylvester. He is very clearly NOT hurt.

No the referee should not give Sylvester a two point deduction for that. There is NO rule of that in the EBU rules. Because Asikainen was not injured. The referee should according to the rules give Asikainen "reasonable time for recovery", which he clearly did.

In the 12th round Asikainen deliberately lands an illegal punch at the neck of Sylvester with 1:21 to go. Why doesn't Toney whine about that? It is not so that any illegal punch should be cost a point deduction. If you look at article 20 of the EBU-rules you can see, that there is a lot of different illegal blows. Open glove is one of them. Wow, many rounds could wind up with 5-10 point deductions then. It is up to the referee to decide if a foul is so severe, that there should be a point deduction. It is not something automatic.

There is no foul with holding at the knockout. Asikainen ducks low and when he tries to move up again he pushes up in Sylvesters arm. Sylvester is not to move his arm in that situation and open himself. Asikainen is the one that should move around the arm.

I have no problem with the referee in any of the sitautions. A fair win for Sylvester (and I was actually rooting for my "nordic brother" Asikainen).

Jens
Okey, everyone have right to have an opinnion. But let me tell you, there is NO DOUBT that Asikainen was hurt from the intentional blow to his neck. He wobbles soon after the blow, althought Sylvester landed nothing. And in the roundbreak his trainer Mäki asked him "Who am I?", look at the break! You can see the same thing that Mr. Mäki saw, Asikainen was not there, he was away. HE WAS HURT.

I have no idea, why Sylvester did not do anything after the foul. Maybe he was a bit shamed? Or maybe he remembered round 8 from their first fight. First Asikainen battered badly Sylvester, but then Asikainen seemd a bit winded and Sylvester tryed to press the action and he was cought with a counter left look. So, maybe he did not do nothing, becouse he know that Sylvester is always dangerous.

Round 11, when Sylvester pushed Asikainen´s head down and punched with his right hand, Asikainen went down. The referee called it a foul. And again Asikainen was badly hurt. And the referee did not give him any time to recover. JENS, look, here you can not say that the referee did not do a mistake. The ref did a mistake. The situation did not went as the rules say it should had went. Ref did call it a foul and the other fighter was badly hurt. According to rules he should had given Asikainen enough time to recover. He did not do it. And like I said, he called the situation a foul.

And do you really think that it was totally okey that the ref allowed Sylvester go after Asikainen, when Asikainen had his mouthpeace in his hand? Are you saying that Quartarone did no mistake there?

Like I said before, I don´t think that Giuseppe Quartarone was payed. He made huge mistakes and Asikainen had to pay from them with a really hight price.

[Flurry]

I wouldnt mind a rubber match between the two cos the first two fights were thrilling encounters compared to what you usually get to see from sylvester, but stop this bitching and whining already, you re making yourself look like a fool

[Artani]

It will be interesting to have third match betwen them, but this time in the neutral place. For example USA will be good place where both will show how good they are. I like Sylvester but he must give rematch. Asikainen was do same think.
Be man, you must give rematch Sylvester :bbb .

[VHB]

I don´t know how messed up you must be to imagine Taylor fighting in Germany or Abraham in U.S.... or Asikainen - Sylvester III in America... :lol:

It´s the same thing as NASCAR championship race in Norway.

[Leifhackman]

I don´t know how messed up you must be to imagine Taylor fighting in Germany or Abraham in U.S.... or Asikainen - Sylvester III in America... :lol:

C'mon man! Tyson fought Duglas in Japan. What about "The Rumble in the Jungle" and "The Thrilla in Manila"? As far as I remember Indy Cart racing has taken place outside the US as well... was it also in Japan?

Perhaps the difference with Asikainen's and Sylvester's possible 3rd fight and these event is that those event were generally interesting :)

[VHB]

Mike Tyson is an icon, he fought in many places, even Denmark and UK. "Rumble" and "Thrilla" were in the 70´s when many things were different...only one championship and Don King in charge of everything.

Asikainen doesn´t like to fight outside Finland in general, and the same applies even strongly to Taylor in America and Abraham & Sylvester in Germany.

[Leifhackman]

Mike Tyson is an icon, he fought in many places, even Denmark and UK. "Rumble" and "Thrilla" were in the 70´s when many things were different...only one championship and Don King in charge of everything.

Asikainen doesn´t like to fight outside Finland in general, and the same applies even strongly to Taylor in America and Abraham & Sylvester in Germany.

So.. what a hell! They should arrange the European vs. American fights at a big cruiser boat in the middle of Atlantic. Asikainen - Sylvester III could take place at a Ferry from Finland to Germany. Does Finnjet still cruise between Helsinki and Travemünde?

Actually, as a courtesy after Asikainen visiting Sylvester twice in Germany, Sylvester should pay Asikainen a visit in Helsinki.

[Leifhackman]

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[VHB]

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YEAH YEAH. now they can arrange Asikainen - Kukuls rematch in Silja Seacat for the European Union championship!!! Sylvester is gonna pay a visit to do some tax free shopping.

[henrik]

he was not hurt by that slap...he was steady on he´s feet!! and he got a minute to recover between the rounds.i havent seen the fight,just round 8.
but IMO he was´nt hurt!

[VHB]

Yes he was.

Look at the video.

Illegal pummeling.

In the night, in the dark.