Labour v Liberal: ESB National Poll

[teke]

Who takes it boys!!!

K Rudd for PM :happy:happy:happy

[Kegsy]

Who takes it boys!!!

K Rudd for PM :happy:happy:happy:yep:happy:happy:happy

[hell on legs]

I don't think there is much between them. But if Mud Rudd gets in and doesn't follow the economic management plan that Little Johnny and costello have in place, it bothers me that intrest rates could blow out. If they did, by 5% or so, lifestyle changes dramatically.

I could become the 2nd political assassin if that happens.

[pecks]

Rudd will take it. It won't be as easy as most people think because Labor still has to win back heaps of seats, but I think they'll do it.

[huricn]

which one is the lesser of 2 evils

[Marcus]

which one is the lesser of 2 evils

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Go the Greens!!!

No Pulp Mill...... No Pulp Mill !!!!

[kel]

Anyone who votes Labor is an uneducated turd

[Marcus]

Anyone who votes Labour is an uneducated turd

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

iv heard lots of arrogant cunts say stupid things like that :hi:

[one in a million]

Far out Teke as if theres not enough politics without it being in a boxing forum :D Greens win hands down :happy
Oh hang on did you end up getting in contact with Collette?

[one in a million]

Anyone who votes Labour is an uneducated turd
And your a dick!

[kel]

And your a dick!

Voting Labor are we :lol: :lol:

Just don't whinge in a couple of years when u are worse off because they got into power :deal

[one in a million]

Voting Labour are we :lol: :lol:

Just don't whinge in a couple of years when u are worse off because they got into power :deal
KMA :hi:

[Hmmm]

It amazing how many poeple swing over to Labour simple because everyone screams "We need a change!!"

How about thinking through the changes that will actaully happen. And dont for get the past!! And it wasnt all that long ago as Labour would have you believe. Party policies are party policies, and whether theres a fresh, young, untainted new face to represent them the policies are still there!

You think all those people that are still voting Libs are doing so because they think Howard is cool hip guy??? Serious those who vote libs know exactly what they're voting for, those who vote labour are the gullible.

[Marcus]

It amazing how many poeple swing over to Labour simple because everyone screams "We need a change!!"

How about thinking through the changes that will actaully happen. And dont for get the past!! And it wasnt all that long ago as Labour would have you believe. Party policies are party policies, and whether theres a fresh, young, untainted new face to represent them the policies are still there!

You think all those people that are still voting Libs are doing so because they think Howard is cool hip guy??? Serious those who vote libs know exactly what they're voting for, those who vote labour are the gullible.

Like im goin to take political advise from someone who thinks forget is made of two words :-(

[teke]

Im voting Labour and if they win i want both you and Kel to explain to me just how much my life has chenged for the worse, deal?! Deal :deal

[teke]

Far out Teke as if theres not enough politics without it being in a boxing forum :D Greens win hands down :happy
Oh hang on did you end up getting in contact with Collette?Yeah got in contact with Collette and she showed me pics of you :yep:yep:yep

You Greek Goddess :p

[Marcus]

Im voting Labour and if they win i want both you and Kel to explain to me just how much my life has chenged for the worse, deal?! Deal :deal

Same here!!!!!!

we might even have less than 5 interest rate rises under Labour :thumbsup

[kel]

People have short memories. When i left school in 1991 i choose not to go to Uni straight away, instead i tried to get an apprenticeship and start earning money to have some independence. Unfortunately i couldn't get a job because unemployment was very high and small business/companies couldn't afford to put people on given the recession we had to have and other economic contraints.

Luckily enough my old man knew a bloke who knew a bloke who knew a bloke and got me a carpentry app'ship. but after 12 months the bloke went broke and again i had no job. Part of the app'ship was going to TAFE and my class had 30 blokes in it at any one time. Into the second year of that course and 18 blokes out of 30 were unemployed.

So yeah won't that be great going back to unions and getting rid of IR laws etc.

People complain about the rights of workers under these laws..... but i say what about the right to have a job :yep

[Robot16]

First time voting and im sticking with Howard.

[Hmmm]

Im voting Labour and if they win i want both you and Kel to explain to me just how much my life has chenged for the worse, deal?! Deal :deal

You may need to wait a couple of years until the damage is done mate...

But you WILL see interest rates rise (and im not talking about the minor rises you've been seeing over the last few years), you will eventually see transport/infrastructure go down the drain (which it has been here in SA since the Gov became labour), you will (if you ever decide to own your own business) find it very difficult to sack a lazy-assed-piece-of-shit-worker. But then again you might be one of those... :tong

[Hmmm]

Same here!!!!!!

we might even have less than 5 interest rate rises under Labour :thumbsup

Let me just clarify something for ya - THE NUMBER OF RISES IS IRRELEVANT!

You need to focus on the total percentage!! Now the rate has been steadily dropping under a Lib government - yes there were a few rises recently... Did you really expect the rates to continue dropping until they reached Zero??? seriously?? Outstanding economic progress has forced a few rate rises under the recent Liberal leadership. Poor economic management forced the rises under the Labour governments. Lol - guess you take your pick as to which type of rise you prefer :good

[Clearly Cool]

Liberals take way to much credit for the success of the economy. When there are mining booms and HUGE foreign demand of course the economy will increase in activity. More jobs become available so lower unemployment, productivity growing with demand so less inflation etc. etc.

Also they harp on about the surplus. A surplus bsically means taxation exceeded government spending. If they actually invested for out future in infrastructure and productive assets then we could have made even better use of the economic boom.

Labour might win, the economy might slow down (recession?), Labour will get blamed and Libs will win the next election.

[pecks]

Unemployment hasn't changed as much as the stats say under Howard. The stats are misleading. People on the dole are still counted as "employed" because they do 4 hours per week.

It's almost time now. Soon we'll all be rejoicing in a wonderful, new Australia. :happy

[kel]

Unemployment hasn't changed as much as the stats say under Howard. The stats are misleading. People on the dole are still counted as "employed" because they do 4 hours per week.

It's almost time now. Soon we'll all be rejoicing in a wonderful, new Australia. :happy


Actually it will be good to see the youth of today struggle under this new wonderful Australia. :lol: People have had it 2 good over the last 11yrs :deal

[one in a million]

Yeah got in contact with Collette and she showed me pics of you :yep:yep:yep

You Greek Goddess :p
Told you so :blurp

[Hmmm]

Yeah got in contact with Collette and she showed me pics of you :yep:yep:yep

You Greek Goddess :p

Sharing is caring ;)

[T.C.W]

I'm voting Labour for the first time because of the IR laws, They fuck me up big time if Howard gets in.

[sambo1987]

is kevin rudd the federal political leader that frequents gay bath houses?????
and is it he that is in a sham marrage with a wealthy closet lesbian?

Yes, he is married to the owner of a multi-million dollar corporation who itself implemented IR laws. Good to see rudd's political ideologies so close to home!

Whatever, im not too flash on either party, but better the devil you know than the devil you dont I guess.

[Hmmm]

I'm voting Labour for the first time because of the IR laws, They fuck me up big time if Howard gets in.

Hmmm, they havent really f*&ked me up when the were introduced. I know this was the case for a majority of workers. It was such an extremely small minory that had significant changes to their income and penalty rates but Labour blew those waaaay out of proportion.

And im not sure what you mean "if Howard gets in...". The IR laws are already there. And if you've been following news the last day or so you'll know there wont be any further radical changes to the IR laws.

[nrgetic]

Im voting Labour and if they win i want both you and Kel to explain to me just how much my life has chenged for the worse, deal?! Deal :deal

You will be voting for the LABOR party, I would hate to see you submit an invalid vote if you voted for the Labour party

[sambo1987]

You will be voting for the LABOR party, I would hate to see you submit an invalid vote if you voted for the Labour party

I was biting my tongue throughout the whole thread with the amount of "LABOURS" being thrown out there, thankyou nrgetic haha.

[nrgetic]

I was biting my tongue throughout the whole thread with the amount of "LABOURS" being thrown out there, thankyou nrgetic haha.

I might be biting my tongue come election night. This election campaign has really disturbed me. The abject lack of substance and trivialising issues is indicative of a political process that has reduced the election to a popularity contest as opposed to one of selecting on the basis of sound policy governance and economic management. A dismal reflection on modern democracy but I suppose it is better than the alternative

[teke]

...amd to think I was actually thinking that Labor wasnt spelt Labour :patsch

Melissa I was only guessing that was a pic of you on her Facebook site, was I correct though?

[Marcus]

sweet avatar sambo :good

[sambo1987]

I might be biting my tongue come election night. This election campaign has really disturbed me. The abject lack of substance and trivialising issues is indicative of a political process that has reduced the election to a popularity contest as opposed to one of selecting on the basis of sound policy governance and economic management. A dismal reflection on modern democracy but I suppose it is better than the alternative

Too right, this type of hype shouldn't exist within politics, its not fucking australian idol.


sweet avatar sambo :good

Cheers mate ;)

[kel]

You will be voting for the LABOR party, I would hate to see you submit an invalid vote if you voted for the Labour party


Ohh shit that was very embarrasing for a few of us..... i think the heading Labour v Liberal throw a few of us off :patsch

[Barge FTA]

Teke is a typical Labor supporter, can not even spell 'labor' correctly.

[Marcus]

Hi Barge :hi:

[BoppaZoo]

Im voting Labor and i dont care what you say that maybe im not educated or dont know when something is right or wrong.

But i do know this Howard blows money come election time. Shit he spent Quarter of a billion dollars trying to buy the stupid Liberals voters votes. When that money could have been spent in other areas.

Victoria has the best Health Care system and why is that its because its run under Labor.

Howard is all about making the rich riher and the poor poorer. He has the same policies as Bush and gets most of his ideas from there government.

Rudd might not have experiance but at least he doesnt lie dodge and steal to get what he wants.

AWA's suck ass
Homes are way to expensive to buy
Howard doesnt give a rats ass about Farmers
Fuel Prices are through the roof why the government keeps taking there share.
Interest rate keep going up and up.
Health Care keeps getting worse and worse
Education system is flawed and we are so far behind compared to other countries its not even funny.

And finally Howard has lied that many times it make OJ look like a saint.
Howard lied about trading wheat to Saddam
He lied to you about how much money they spent on election compain it took the Labor bench to find out the facts.
He lied about interest rates.
He lied about Iraq

Also i know of guys that get paid stuff all under the new AWA laws. I know of one bloke that was at his job for 20 years left there becaus he was going to go from getting $17.90 an hour to $13.50 an hour and didnt have a say.

FUCK THAT HOWARD YOU TIME IS OVER.

I want security for my job and family so i can support then not the other way around.

[pecks]

I might be biting my tongue come election night. This election campaign has really disturbed me. The abject lack of substance and trivialising issues is indicative of a political process that has reduced the election to a popularity contest as opposed to one of selecting on the basis of sound policy governance and economic management. A dismal reflection on modern democracy but I suppose it is better than the alternativeThe ad's for both sides are a joke. The one where it has the streets in chaos with the guy going on about how interest rates will rise under labor is hilarious. The labor one with a guy saying he's always voted liberal but wont now because Howard wont set a date for when he'll retire is funny too.

I guess they all have their target audience though.

[one in a million]

...amd to think I was actually thinking that Labor wasnt spelt Labour :patsch

Melissa I was only guessing that was a pic of you on her Facebook site, was I correct though?
No thats Collettes sister, I am not Italian love dove :D just know a few thats all.

[one in a million]

Politics is crap they're all liers and only out to feather their own nest.
Greedy little fuckers :fire

[Hmmm]

Homes are way to expensive to buy

:huh And howard is to blame because...??????
This is a state government thing - and guess what... that means Labor.


Howard doesnt give a rats ass about Farmers

How about providing some evidence of this?

Guess he should give mother nature a call and ask her for some rain...
There has already been help issued to farmers under the current goverment, but they can only go as far as budgets allow them to go. The situation with farmers will be absolutely NO Different under Labor.



Fuel Prices are through the roof why the government keeps taking there share.

What the government takes from fuel is based on percentage - that percentage hasnt changed one bit. It'd be the same as reducing the percentage of GST along with inflational growth.
Oh the average shopping bill has gone up by $3.50... lets reduce GST by 0.4% to compensate... :patsch

Well same goes for fuel excise - they cant keep lowering the percentage every time International oil goes up in price.

Hence why when Labor will come into power NOTHING will change in terms of fuel price. Guys you really need to think things like this through properly...


Interest rate keep going up and up.

After they went down and down and down and down...

Were you hoping for 0% interest rate?? Course its gonna rise. But it'll never be the 12% it was with a Labor government if the Libs stay in power.



Health Care keeps getting worse and worse

Did you know health care is primarily a State government issue. ... Yeh thats right, you heard me - state government. Hmmm Virtually every state is ruled under a Labor government... You think that might have something to do with it??????????



Education system is flawed and we are so far behind compared to other countries its not even funny.

Actually we are not! Check the facts:deal Unless of course you bought into Rudds recent education propaganda.

And as for promising Faster broadband - im guessing you bought into that too... If you're interested in the topic PM me and I can fill you in as to whats really going on in the Broadband world. I am very familiar with the issue... ;)


Howard lied about trading wheat to Saddam

Howard didnt even know. He's not the CEO of the AWB. And they don't go consulting the PM on every trade transaction they do. Why should they? And when Howard found out about it, which is after the media exposed it of course he had to do some sort of damage control as the media were pushing the fact that the government was involved.



He lied to you about how much money they spent on election compain it took the Labor bench to find out the facts.

If Labor were currently in power they would spend the exact same amount as the libs are now. It common politics dude. Any party will do whatever is necessary to stay in power.


He lied about interest rates.

Not really - he said he'd keep em low. and they are still way way lower than what they were with Labor - so im not sure what you are complaining about.



He lied about Iraq

Actually the USA lied about Iraq. and the whole world fell for it - including the political leaders of the nations involved (ie. Howard, Blair...).

[pecks]

Howard does have say regarding Health care and pensions, etc. He promised better changes to medicare but failed to deliver. He's also cut disability pensions, etc. The PM does have a big say regarding healthcare/hospitals, etc in Australia.

He did lie about interest rates, he said they wouldn't go up and they have. They've gone up 5 times since the last election, and soon to be 6. Howard saying that they're still low er than they were last time labor were in is a kind of damage control stance.


Petrol also went up 4.8 percent just a few months after the GST was introduced, it kept going up as well. He also promised there would never ever be a GST under him. :yep

Going back to the interest rates issue, Howard was treasurer when interest rates went up years ago. People harp on as if interest rates were 15% the entire time labor were in last when in fact it dropped to under 9% by the end of labors last reign, and would have continued to go lower had labor stayed in.

Rudd's broadband and education ideas are much better than Howard's.


Whats really going on in the broadband world Hmmm? Do you not think Rudd's broadband program is better than the one Howard wants to introduce?

[Hmmm]

Whats really going on in the broadband world Hmmm? Do you not think Rudd's broadband program is better than the one Howard wants to introduce?

Rudds ideas (and also Howards for that matter) will fizzle into thin air either way. The thing is they have very limited say in regards to FTTN (Fibre to the Node) rollout. Simply put (and if you really want PM me about it), there is too much corporate bullshit going on...

[pecks]

Rudds ideas (and also Howards for that matter) will fizzle into thin air either way. The thing is they have very limited say in regards to FTTN (Fibre to the Node) rollout. Simply put (and if you really want PM me about it), there is too much corporate bullshit going on...Don't worry about the pm, I'll take your word for it.

Anyway, Rudd's broadband plans isn't all about technology and high speeds, it's about getting broadband to nearly everywhere in Australia, whereas Howard hasn't promised that.

[ashley]

I am in the finance, building and development game and because of that I will continue to vote for liberal.

[Hmmm]

Don't worry about the pm, I'll take your word for it.

Anyway, Rudd's broadband plans isn't all about technology and high speeds, it's about getting broadband to nearly everywhere in Australia, whereas Howard hasn't promised that.

Even getting broadband nearly everywhere - Rudd still has no say in it really.

Howard didnt promise it because he's probably aware nothing can be done by his government. Rudd is in opposition and the broadband things is just one of those empty election promises that most people who are naiive about it will buy.

[Clearly Cool]

I am in the finance, building and development game and because of that I will continue to vote for liberal.

He is definately the right choice for capitalists. Im torn because of that.

[Decebal]

I am in the finance, building and development game and because of that I will continue to vote for liberal.

Is that because you vote in your perceived self-interest or because you think that in this case the Liberals are better for the country as a whole?

[BoppaZoo]

:huh And howard is to blame because...??????
This is a state government thing - and guess what... that means Labor.


How about providing some evidence of this?

Guess he should give mother nature a call and ask her for some rain...
There has already been help issued to farmers under the current goverment, but they can only go as far as budgets allow them to go. The situation with farmers will be absolutely NO Different under Labor.



What the government takes from fuel is based on percentage - that percentage hasnt changed one bit. It'd be the same as reducing the percentage of GST along with inflational growth.
Oh the average shopping bill has gone up by $3.50... lets reduce GST by 0.4% to compensate... :patsch

Well same goes for fuel excise - they cant keep lowering the percentage every time International oil goes up in price.

Hence why when Labor will come into power NOTHING will change in terms of fuel price. Guys you really need to think things like this through properly...


After they went down and down and down and down...

Were you hoping for 0% interest rate?? Course its gonna rise. But it'll never be the 12% it was with a Labor government if the Libs stay in power.



Did you know health care is primarily a State government issue. ... Yeh thats right, you heard me - state government. Hmmm Virtually every state is ruled under a Labor government... You think that might have something to do with it??????????



Actually we are not! Check the facts:deal Unless of course you bought into Rudds recent education propaganda.

And as for promising Faster broadband - im guessing you bought into that too... If you're interested in the topic PM me and I can fill you in as to whats really going on in the Broadband world. I am very familiar with the issue... ;)


Howard didnt even know. He's not the CEO of the AWB. And they don't go consulting the PM on every trade transaction they do. Why should they? And when Howard found out about it, which is after the media exposed it of course he had to do some sort of damage control as the media were pushing the fact that the government was involved.



If Labor were currently in power they would spend the exact same amount as the libs are now. It common politics dude. Any party will do whatever is necessary to stay in power.


Not really - he said he'd keep em low. and they are still way way lower than what they were with Labor - so im not sure what you are complaining about.



Actually the USA lied about Iraq. and the whole world fell for it - including the political leaders of the nations involved (ie. Howard, Blair...).Fuck off Hmmmm thats bullshit if you believe Howard isnt a liar well you must be related to him or something.

Because i couldnt name one man thats a Poly and doesnt lie.

And also i was going to add if things are good in your state alot of that has do do with Labor running the State government aswell. It works both ways i just feel Howard sell his on wife on Ebay to get anyone to vote for him.

Thats why im voting Rudd.

Noty saying Howard didnt do a decent job but also Howard wont be Prime Minister if they get voted back in anyway it will be that idiot Costello who i wouldnt vote for.

[Hmmm]

Thats fair enough.

I didnt actually that Howard wasnt a liar. He is quite capable of it and has done so. But Some of the things you passed off as lies werent entirely so.

Still im still baffled as to why everyone hates Costello so darn much...

[Dr Gonzo]

Howard KO1 Rudd

Liberal is the bomb! :mj

[ashley]

Is that because you vote in your perceived self-interest or because you think that in this case the Liberals are better for the country as a whole?

Just got loads on money invested in building and if Rudd gets in then its union city then productivity goes down and building cost goes up.

So yea its for my own interest

[westside]

It amazing how many poeple swing over to Labour simple because everyone screams "We need a change!!"

How about thinking through the changes that will actaully happen. And dont for get the past!! And it wasnt all that long ago as Labour would have you believe. Party policies are party policies, and whether theres a fresh, young, untainted new face to represent them the policies are still there!

You think all those people that are still voting Libs are doing so because they think Howard is cool hip guy??? Serious those who vote libs know exactly what they're voting for, those who vote labour are the gullible.

Who cares what Labor does. As long as they support protesting wankers & initiate them themselves.. stuff that!
Bogan whinghing sooks with no idea. ...not to mention greenie hippy idiots

[kel]

:huh And howard is to blame because...??????
This is a state government thing - and guess what... that means Labor.


How about providing some evidence of this?

Guess he should give mother nature a call and ask her for some rain...
There has already been help issued to farmers under the current goverment, but they can only go as far as budgets allow them to go. The situation with farmers will be absolutely NO Different under Labor.



What the government takes from fuel is based on percentage - that percentage hasnt changed one bit. It'd be the same as reducing the percentage of GST along with inflational growth.
Oh the average shopping bill has gone up by $3.50... lets reduce GST by 0.4% to compensate... :patsch

Well same goes for fuel excise - they cant keep lowering the percentage every time International oil goes up in price.

Hence why when Labor will come into power NOTHING will change in terms of fuel price. Guys you really need to think things like this through properly...


After they went down and down and down and down...

Were you hoping for 0% interest rate?? Course its gonna rise. But it'll never be the 12% it was with a Labor government if the Libs stay in power.



Did you know health care is primarily a State government issue. ... Yeh thats right, you heard me - state government. Hmmm Virtually every state is ruled under a Labor government... You think that might have something to do with it??????????



Actually we are not! Check the facts:deal Unless of course you bought into Rudds recent education propaganda.

And as for promising Faster broadband - im guessing you bought into that too... If you're interested in the topic PM me and I can fill you in as to whats really going on in the Broadband world. I am very familiar with the issue... ;)


Howard didnt even know. He's not the CEO of the AWB. And they don't go consulting the PM on every trade transaction they do. Why should they? And when Howard found out about it, which is after the media exposed it of course he had to do some sort of damage control as the media were pushing the fact that the government was involved.



If Labor were currently in power they would spend the exact same amount as the libs are now. It common politics dude. Any party will do whatever is necessary to stay in power.


Not really - he said he'd keep em low. and they are still way way lower than what they were with Labor - so im not sure what you are complaining about.



Actually the USA lied about Iraq. and the whole world fell for it - including the political leaders of the nations involved (ie. Howard, Blair...).


Gee it's refreshing to hear some common sense around this place.

Go the Libs :good

[teke]

Labor to win, Kel and Hmmm are nuthuggers :deal

[Kegsy]

Labour are still just winning this poll.
Not good for the Liberal nuthuggers.

[Hmmm]

Labour are still just winning this poll.
Not good for the Liberal nuthuggers.

I'd expect that here at ESB :yep :tong

[CarltonBlues]

Go Rudd!

[Marcus]

Greens are goin to kick ass and get a huge 7% of the vote!!!

Lots of people talkin shit about the environment atm, but will it translate into Green votes.........i doubt it, but you never know i guess.

I think Labour will win ..................just

[Hmmm]

Greens are goin to kick ass and get a huge 7% of the vote!!!

Lots of people talkin shit about the environment atm, but will it translate into Green votes.........i doubt it, but you never know i guess.

I think Labour will win ..................just

Most of the votes will come from Tassy where the Woodchipping mills are. TBH (and not that its a good thing), most of the rest of Australia probably wont give a shit :(

But Greens do need a bigger presence amongst the HoR, especially to protect the "natures gifts of beauties rich and rare".

[kel]

I'd expect that here at ESB :yep :tong


You are right.

The majority of people involved in boxing are usually from poorer demographic areas and therefore are Labor votings. This is fact.

Libs would never win a voting contest on this type of forum.

If this was a Merchant banker/stockbroker forum the vote might be different :lol:

[Hmmm]

Just gotta love the cycle of Australia politics. lol :D

The so called Poor feel they are hard-done-by by the Libs so they vote Labour. Labor gets into power, stuffs up the economy, brings interest rates up and the workers are sick of striking under union control as it rarely achieves what they truly want. They realise they are now paying way more in interest rates and are struggling to get a job. So they vote the Libs back in. They come in, fix things up but somehow the so called poor are still poor. So after a few years they feel they're still hard done by and vote labor back in.

And so the cycle continues. Little do they know that they are poor not because of the political party in power but because poor life decisions. But thats life people.

And no, i wasnt born into a rich family - quite the opposite actually...

[Marcus]

In the end, the Australian people will vote for who they want to run the counrty.

People who say , if you vote for Labour the counrty will go down hill, are scare mongers (spelling) .

Also this thread should have included the Green in the poll :deal

[kel]

In the end, the Australian people will vote for who they want to run the counrty.

People who say , if you vote for Labour the counrty will go down hill, are scare mongers (spelling) .

Also this thread should have included the Green in the poll :deal


Fuck'n greens shit my to tears.

[Marcus]

Fuck'n greens shit my to tears.

Well get your fuckin tissues ready mate because the Greens will get more votes in this election than ever before.

[Hmmm]

Nothing wrong with Greens IMO. Only difference between them and me is I dont oppose nuclear power (and I wont chain myself to a whaling ship).

[Marcus]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I dont think they chain themself to ships......they would drown.....so they just ramm them with their boat :good

People in Tassie are always chaining themself to trees, its pretty fuckin stupid imo and dangerous, but it stops logging and thats why they do it.

[Marcus]

Greenpeace boat........ tell me this dude isnt crapping himself :lol: :lol:

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[Kegsy]

:lol:

[teke]

I'd expect that here at ESB :yep :tongAfter the weekend all will be sweet. Labor :happy:happy:happy

Im bringing over all my illegal cousins just to vote Labor :deal

[kel]

Greenpeace boat........ tell me this dude isnt crapping himself :lol: :lol:

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Die u mother fuckers :yep :yep

[Marcus]

dont worry mate, they still got to kill them

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[kel]

dont worry mate, they still got to kill them

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:lol: :lol: :lol: It's for research

I heard the Japs got a hero send off for the coming summer slaughters :patsch :patsch

[pecks]

Don't hate the Japanese. :nono

[waynesmale]

The Chaser boys summed it up the best when they decided to hunt japanese people in the city of Syndyey for research.

Land of Honour Bah what crap!

[pecks]

Marcus, I voted for the Greens in the senate. :good

[kel]

Marcus, I voted for the Greens in the senate. :good

wanker

[pecks]

wankerYa mum stars in 2girls1cup videos. :yep

[pecks]

if labor win, and they perform in government as badly as their personal records suggest, im glad all the fools here that voted for them have announced it. you will be part of whom we blame for the ruin of the australian economy. and you will cop some shit.:blabla:blabla

[pecks]

kevin rudd eats his ear wax....! the video has gone mainstream all over the world. what sort of grub would vote for him????Howard tubgirls himself and you probably whack off to the thought of it.

[kel]

i hope you tough guys realise the greens are led by a poofter? and is the most active gay movement in politics?

Mate lets have a beer and fuck these other cunts off.

If Labor win tonight i refuse to come back on this forum and talk to people who have ruined our future.

I'm angry :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[wangman]

At this stage looks like johnnys gone :rofl. The swing has started

[pecks]

At this stage looks like johnnys gone :rofl. The swing has startedIt's still too close to call, but we've probably won back 10 of the 16 seats so far, and many haven't been counted yet.

Hopefully we'll be seeing uppercut and kel at the pub together real soon.

[pecks]

beeeeeeeerrrrr. uuuuggghhhh...... god invented beer to stop australians ruling the world......Have some cranberry juice then you big girl. :p

[T.C.W]

Howard GONE

[kel]

Howard GONE

It's getting very close that i won't visit here again.

In another hour or so it could be :verysad :verysad :verysad

[pecks]

It's getting very close that i won't visit here again.

In another hour or so it could be :verysad :verysad :verysad :|You're a skirt kel.

[pecks]

Call me a poor winner, but I really want to se eHoward's losing speech. :p

[crash]

i left school in 85,no jobs,no apprenticships,,,,joined the army,,then labour wanted to do away with that,,n create a ready part time force,,,,,mines were closed,n fuk all houses were being built,that is what i remember about labour.go johnny

[kel]

:|You're a skirt kel.

Everybody knows that Gillard will now be running the country :patsch ......................how can u people sleep at night.

I hope unemployment rises to 10% along with 12% plus interest rates. I've done well over the last 11yrs of Liberal/Howard run governments so my future is assured.

I pity the majority.

Not long now follow posters :tired

[pecks]

Everybody knows that Gillard will now be running the country :patsch ......................how can u people sleep at night.

I hope unemployment rises to 10% along with 12% plus interest rates. I've done well over the last 11yrs of Liberal/Howard run governments so my future is assured.

I pity the majority.

Not long now follow posters :tiredYou need to change back to The Beave.
I remembered The Beave having a bit more sack. :yep

[teke]

Yeah Beave was the shit, Kel has a skirt with frilly underwear!

K Rudd for P Ministry :happy:happy:happy

[pecks]

K Rudd for P Ministry :happy:happy:happyIt's ours baby! :happy

Kevin 07. :cool:

[teke]

It's ours baby! :happy

Kevin 07. :cool:Your campaigning several months has helped secure K Rudd victory. The seat of ESB is now yours :bowdown:bowdown:bowdown

[kel]

Is everybody on this forum happy with how their state labor governments are going?:-(

I'm going to bed and hopefully this will all be one bad dream.

Maybe i will accidently eat some earwax when i'm asleep

[teke]

Is everybody on this forum happy with how their state labor governments are going?:-(

I'm going to bed and hopefully this will all be one bad dream.

Maybe i will accidently eat some earwax when i'm asleep:hi:

[kel]

:hi:

Why are u saying Hi ?

When John says goodbye then i will say goodbye :bart
Not long now unfortunately

Costello for PM in 2010 :good

[teke]

Why are u saying Hi ?

When John says goodbye then i will say goodbye :bart
Not long now unfortunately

Costello for PM in 2010 :good:lol::hi:

Change your name back to Beave right now :deal

[CarltonBlues]

Bye Johnny! Good riddens!

[pecks]

Howard looks like hes gunna cry. :lol:

[kel]

The greatest PM of all time has just said his goodbye's...................John i salute you for giving me all my success over the last 11.5yrs

To all the people on this forum that blame him for there failures, i say 2 u stop blaming others and take responsibilities for ur actions.

For anyone under 30 who voted Labor i say wait until u go through a recession and see what it's like. For the over 30's who voted Labor - well u are idiots who are failures anyway.

Goodbye people..............seeya in 2010 (nxt election)

[CarltonBlues]

The greatest PM of all time has just said his goodbye's...................John i salute you for giving me all my success over the last 11.5yrs

To all the people on this forum that blame him for there failures, i say 2 u stop blaming others and take responsibilities for ur actions.

For anyone under 30 who voted Labor i say wait until u go through a recession and see what it's like. For the over 30's who voted Labor - well u are idiots who are failures anyway.

Goodbye people..............seeya in 2010 (nxt election)

Who the hell are you? You don't know most here from a bar of soap so STFU.

[pecks]

The greatest PM of all time has just said his goodbye's...................John i salute you for giving me all my success over the last 11.5yrs

To all the people on this forum that blame him for there failures, i say 2 u stop blaming others and take responsibilities for ur actions.

For anyone under 30 who voted Labor i say wait until u go through a recession and see what it's like. For the over 30's who voted Labor - well u are idiots who are failures anyway.

Goodbye people..............seeya in 2010 (nxt election):hi:

























:|:|:|

[teke]

:hi:

























:|:|:|:lol::lol::lol:

:hi:

[T.C.W]

The greatest PM of all time has just said his goodbye's...................John i salute you for giving me all my success over the last 11.5yrs

To all the people on this forum that blame him for there failures, i say 2 u stop blaming others and take responsibilities for ur actions.

For anyone under 30 who voted Labor i say wait until u go through a recession and see what it's like. For the over 30's who voted Labor - well u are idiots who are failures anyway.

Goodbye people..............seeya in 2010 (nxt election)mate I 30 and voted labour for the first time because of the IR laws

[planetzion]

:rofl


sorry he's a light wieght that will cave in to a unionised power base ....labor will fuck up the next four years ...and we will wonder why the fuck we voted out one of the most successful government the country has ever had

[westside]

Thanks wankers.

Sook about ir laws when you havent even encountered work choices or lost your job because of it like in the ads
Support unionist protesting wankers that the labor party sets up
Get the wanker greens excited about the tassie mill when LABOR will be allowing it anyway!
Sook about 'howard' in general clearly showing you know NO PARTICULARS WHATSOEVER
Supporting 'change' just cause it feels like a good idea at the time or just sounds cool
Vote for someone else (no matter who it is for any reason) for stupid reasons like 'howard hates farmers' clearly showing your ignorance

Thatll do im stoppin now.

Thanks wankers.

[pecks]

Thanks wankers.

Sook about ir laws when you havent even encountered work choices or lost your job because of it like in the ads
Support unionist protesting wankers that the labor party sets up
Get the wanker greens excited about the tassie mill when LABOR will be allowing it anyway!
Sook about 'howard' in general clearly showing you know NO PARTICULARS WHATSOEVER
Supporting 'change' just cause it feels like a good idea at the time or just sounds cool
Vote for someone else (no matter who it is for any reason) for stupid reasons like 'howard hates farmers' clearly showing your ignorance

Thatll do im stoppin now.

Thanks wankers.:|:|

Go join kel and uppercut in the pub for a cranberry juice ya big skirt. :deal

[westside]

:rofl


sorry he's a light wieght that will cave in to a unionised power base ....labor will fuck up the next four years ...and we will wonder why the fuck we voted out one of the most successful government the country has ever had

'we' didnt. stuff this democracy crap. Some uneducated 'careless' wankers voted out that government. Please dont bring WE into this!!! i accept no responsibility.

[pecks]

Stay off the turps planetzion, and rejoice the dawning of a wonderful new era. :happy

[westside]

:|:|

Go join kel and uppercut in the pub for a cranberry juice ya big skirt. :deal

yup! didnt think you had any idea. well done sunshine! back to your bubble.
enjoy your protests. sorry you couldnt just sit on your ass on the dole all that time. Now you can.

COME ON FREELOADERS!! YOUR TIME HAS COME!!! YOUR GOVERNMENT IS BACK!! :thumbsup

[T.C.W]

I just hope in is not like the cough years, Spending money like a mad man and letting all the people into the country and now australia is paying for it.

[Sai]

The greatest PM of all time has just said his goodbye's...................John i salute you for giving me all my success over the last 11.5yrs

To all the people on this forum that blame him for there failures, i say 2 u stop blaming others and take responsibilities for ur actions.

For anyone under 30 who voted Labor i say wait until u go through a recession and see what it's like. For the over 30's who voted Labor - well u are idiots who are failures anyway.

Goodbye people..............seeya in 2010 (nxt election) Australia isnt going to go into a recession as a result of the ruling party when they elect a fairly cente-left party. The economy just isnt meaningful enough on a global scale to force anything. When the worlds economy is strong, Australias will be too and vice versa. It honestly isnt going to make that much of a difference, and really isnt worth whining about.

[madpup]

Howard won the lottery, governing during a massive commodities boom. His social policies were a disaster, a change was badly needed.

[T.C.W]

IR laws cost howard big time

[pecks]

yup! didnt think you had any idea. well done sunshine! back to your bubble.
enjoy your protests. sorry you couldnt just sit on your ass on the dole all that time. Now you can.

COME ON FREELOADERS!! YOUR TIME HAS COME!!! YOUR GOVERNMENT IS BACK!! :thumbsup:blabla

It never ceases to amaze me of the amount of morons on here who fail to be able to interpret and contemplate at the same time. :lol:

Continue on with your primary school like replies there mate, perhaps you can have your sister play you tunes from the family banjo inbetween rants. :good

[wangman]

There's going to be a mini recession over the coming years, and that certainly isnt going to be rudd's fault

[Sai]

It was basically a combination of Iraq+IR laws+he was going to retire mid term. Madpup has it right; basically he managed to lotto his way into a strong economy globally, couple that with the massive WA mining boom and he really couldnt fuck it up. Neither of these 2 factors were in any way under his control, so you can't credit him for them in any way.

[westside]

:blabla

It never ceases to amaze me of the amount of morons on here who fail to be able to interpret and contemplate at the same time. :lol:

Continue on with your primary school like replies there mate, perhaps you can have your sister play you tunes from the family banjo inbetween rants. :good

Didnt think so. No idea.

Enjoy your concept of 'change' for something to do.


Do you reali...
ah stuff it. Really. Its pointless. :roll:

[nrgetic]

A monumentous day in Australia's political and social history. It will be interesting to see the performance of the new government converting aspiration into real action that is pragmatic and effective. Climate change policy will be very interesting - I don't think the Australian people has understood the cost associated with addressing this issue. This is not to say such a cost is not worthwhile but it will be significant all the same.

[chinachin_76]

3 things cost Howard the election. He's retiring, Costello looks to be his successor and the I.R laws. Howard will enjoy his 2 million payout and 500 grand a year pension. What a retirement.

[waynesmale]

IT'S ABOUT DAMN TIME! in the words of a great man

"IF I CAN CHANGE AND YOU CAN CHANGE EVERYBODY CAN CHANGE!"

Howard lied for years and never covered it up he just made excuse after excuse for it, Meaning that Rudd wont be worse but I rather give someone new a chance rather then have Howard lie again and again and again then retire.

Howard just spoke about how we are a richer contry for him and his team yeah ok tell that to the poor bastards who have to work 2 jobs and break their backs in to make that possible. Howard was always for the Rich man and he never really cared about how the world was changing or what housing was costing people.

The richer became richer and the poorer became poorer it was time for a change.

[Hmmm]

Not that my 2 cents is worth much but I do very honestly believe our next budget will be in deficit for the first time in a very long time come next financial year.

1. I dont think labor has fully weighed out the consequences of ratifying kyoto.
2. They can expect a whole pile of indigenous compensation claims come the day they say Sorry.
3. On top of that he still has to budget in all the election promises and fund the current war efforts - there's no such thing as an "immediate" withdrawal.
4. Whehter you like it or not the unemployment rate WILL go up especially if significant changes are made to the IR laws. As a directly result of just a 1% change of unemployment means millions of dollars change in their budget.

But good luck Rudd. If you can pull it off i'll be very surprised.

[Hmmm]

There's going to be a mini recession over the coming years, and that certainly isnt going to be rudd's fault

:huh huh. Yes it would. if there's going to be a recession its darn well gonna be Rudds fault. He's the head of the Labor party therefore the responsibilty will lie on him.

You're not suggesting that a "mini recession" would have happened if howard stayed in power??

[teke]

Not that my 2 cents is worth much but I do very honestly believe our next budget will be in deficit for the first time in a very long time come next financial year.

1. I dont think labor has fully weighed out the consequences of ratifying kyoto.
2. They can expect a whole pile of indigenous compensation claims come the day they say Sorry.
3. On top of that he still has to budget in all the election promises and fund the current war efforts - there's no such thing as an "immediate" withdrawal.
4. Whehter you like it or not the unemployment rate WILL go up especially if significant changes are made to the IR laws. As a directly result of just a 1% change of unemployment means millions of dollars change in their budget.

But good luck Rudd. If you can pull it off i'll be very surprised.I did a whole uni degree on this subject and no single Aussie politic will win with this subject :lol:

K Rudd for life-oww

[nrgetic]

Its interesting that the cost implications of the renewable and CO2 reduction targets will actually exceed the cost of recent interest rate rises to household budgets. I think the Australian public reacted with indignation that they felt they were lied to with respect to interest rates but possible the same might apply to climate change. I think it is only proper that our environment is worth protecting and insuring against the potential consequences of anthropogenic climate change but like any insurance policy it is going to cost money and a lot of it. Both political parties have given the impression that this will be a free lunch. Nothing worth having comes for free and that might be a rude shock for the general public who have proven a propensity to be swayed by appearance over substance

[Sai]

:huh huh. Yes it would. if there's going to be a recession its darn well gonna be Rudds fault. He's the head of the Labor party therefore the responsibilty will lie on him.

You're not suggesting that a "mini recession" would have happened if howard stayed in power?? Yes, Australia has a tiny economy on a world stage. IF the global economy heads downwards, Australias is going with it irrespective of who is in power.

[wangman]

As Sai says, our economy relies heavily on the global economy, and its not looking too flash hot. Its quite ironic that Labor has finally gotten in, probably in a very shit period. Johnny has not left our economy in such a good state anyways, the average australian is in more debt then ever before.

[The Jackal]

The greatest PM of all time has just said his goodbye's...................John i salute you for giving me all my success over the last 11.5yrs

To all the people on this forum that blame him for there failures, i say 2 u stop blaming others and take responsibilities for ur actions.

For anyone under 30 who voted Labor i say wait until u go through a recession and see what it's like. For the over 30's who voted Labor - well u are idiots who are failures anyway.

Goodbye people..............seeya in 2010 (nxt election)
Don't cry for me Kelly Beaver!

[wangman]

slef imposed debt is what helped johnny stay in the last term numbnuts. Australias economy is strongly based on what the average australian spends per year Hence more debt. If this does not spell it out for you, Australia has one of the highest if not the highest credit debt in the world! Im assuming johnny doesnt need to take any responsibility for that right?

[wangman]

In otherwords survival of the fittest? let the rich stay rich and let the poor get poorer

[waynesmale]

ONLY PEOEPLE who voted for Howard were

1- THE OLD who are ALWAYS afraid of change and believe any shit he tells them

2- THE RICH, Who want to stay rich.

3- SUCKERS, Who still believe in his lies no matter how many things he FAILS to live up to.

Someone said how could anyone vote for someone who eats his own ear wax?

How can anyone vote for a man who sent out sons and daughters to a war zone no one beleived in? Who promised 2 years ago they would return?

Who said GST would never take place?

WHO SAID intrestrates would stay at record low and 6 raises later still can't say he was wrong?

A man who has lied to the face of familys about work choice laws.

Finally voting for a man who was to retire and hand over to a snake.

TIME FOR A CHANGE no matter what RUDD does it was a change that needed to take place.

[westside]

In otherwords survival of the fittest? let the rich stay rich and let the poor get poorer

no.. robber of the achiever & rewarder of the lazy sook

loser. :roll:

[westside]

ONLY PEOEPLE who voted for Howard were

1- THE OLD who are ALWAYS afraid of change and believe any shit he tells them

2- THE RICH, Who want to stay rich.

3- SUCKERS, Who still believe in his lies no matter how many things he FAILS to live up to.

Someone said how could anyone vote for someone who eats his own ear wax?

How can anyone vote for a man who sent out sons and daughters to a war zone no one beleived in? Who promised 2 years ago they would return?

Who said GST would never take place?

WHO SAID intrestrates would stay at record low and 6 raises later still can't say he was wrong?

A man who has lied to the face of familys about work choice laws.

Finally voting for a man who was to retire and hand over to a snake.

TIME FOR A CHANGE no matter what RUDD does it was a change that needed to take place.

you regurgitated some lame campaign ad quite nicely.

thought about growing your own brain? probably not, which is why you need your unionists & centrelink benefits.

[westside]

im with you kel. johns australia has given me the opportunity to own my home outright and own another valuable piece of realestate outright. something id never have had under labor. if others here have failed under johnny, and if history is a guide, you will wait another 30 years, and 2 recessions to get it right. if you have high debt now, and dont deal with it, labor may soon send you bankrupt. if you voted labor, bad..fucken..luck!!

its the wankers who dont wanna get off their ass & do what you've done. they just want unions & benefits & not actually work for what they get. they want platters.

it doesnt matter who you are. if you want to stop being a victim, and see about making change in your own life YOU CAN. no matter what your circumstances.
now that the 'there,there little baby' the union & centrelink will look after you government is back.. HARD WORK is no longer rewarded. you just have to give it all back to the lazy bitches.

[waynesmale]

you regurgitated some lame campaign ad quite nicely.

thought about growing your own brain? probably not, which is why you need your unionists & centrelink benefits.

lol thats rich coming form someone who says "robber of the achiever & rewarder of the lazy sook "

yeah Paris Hilton types really earn their money from Rich mums and dads dont they? Because someone is rich MEANS SHIT ALL and does not mean they fight hard for it. So calling them Achievers is full of shit, He this is doing is leveling the battle ground OH and yes before you take a swipe at me with Unionists and centrelink ebenefits GO FUCK YAself I make more than enough money and hell some would consider me more on the richer side but you know what FUCK the rich and FUCK THOSE who only support the rich such as MR HOWARD.

[westside]

Mate you are soooooo full of shit is really is sad. I make good enough money to be put in that rich list of snobs who would vote Howard but i still say FUCK HIM for screwing over familes and all the lies he has told is enough.

You wanna talk LAME CAMPAGIN mate TELL ME ONE of Howards Campagins when he didn't attack RUDD and were he told us what HE WOULD DO RATHER THAN SOME SCARE CAMPAGIN because I cant name one.

Even still he is lost to what the normal people want he goes on Australia is stronger and better and blah blah blah.....He DOES NOT GET IT. We dont want that we want our familes to have a cleaner world, Better work choice laws, A Finally a leader who wont LIE to our faces and change everything he claims he will do.

Is that KEvin Rudd i doubt that but I rather give him a chacne before letting that snake like Howard back into power.

'what he would do' is what he has done'.

and unionists versions of workplace stuff is just scary. you cant tell me unionist protestors are rational.

[waynesmale]

'what he would do' is what he has done'.

and unionists versions of workplace stuff is just scary. you cant tell me unionist protestors are rational.
Yeah I agree but what I am saying is RUDD MIGHT FUCK THIS PLACE UP and good chance he will and Unionist will be either REALLY BAD or REALLY GOOD but I just rather see some change in this land rather keep going the way it is.

All comes down to peoples point of view really like MR BUSH lol I have no idea how he gets into power but he does and If I had

BUT this is the man who should run our land lol

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Now that would be scary but soooo damn cool

[wangman]

Westside explain to me why house affordability is at its lowest in 20 years. Isnt Australia "prospering"?

[chinachin_76]

Reasons people voted against Liberal: Unaffordability of buying houses, I.R Laws and uncertainty of a next leader with Liberal.

[wangman]

yep, even Costellos retired now, they saw it coming. Wonder who the scape goat is going to be

[westside]

Westside explain to me why house affordability is at its lowest in 20 years. Isnt Australia "prospering"?

ask J W Howard & tim costello. A couple of enonomists. Its called supply & demand. Which you dont have in your own little socialist world.

actully costello doesnt exist now. as we learnt an hour ago he hasnt accepted leadership of the liberal party. shot that scare campaign to shit now didnt it!

[wangman]

Your economists have done nothing to slow down the inflation of debt in Australia. Soon to be announced a $1trillion mortgage debt in Australia, and this is inflating far more quicker then wages are. For you who may not comprehend this, more % of wage going towards debt means less spendage by the average australian = less or even negative growth in australian economy. Where are your great econmists now? Retired.

[LeonMcS]

ask J W Howard & tim costello. A couple of enonomists.

Last time I looked, Tim Costello was a minister of religion, not an economist.

[Hmmm]

I did a whole uni degree on this subject and no single Aussie politic will win with this subject :lol:

K Rudd for life-oww

You cant say something like that and not explain yourself dude.

Otherwise your not really maknig any point.

I can easily say my uncle was part of the team that wrote the protocol, and whether or not it's true is up toyou to decide.

[Hmmm]

im with you kel. johns australia has given me the opportunity to own my home outright and own another valuable piece of realestate outright. something id never have had under labor. if others here have failed under johnny, and if history is a guide, you will wait another 30 years, and 2 recessions to get it right. if you have high debt now, and dont deal with it, labor may soon send you bankrupt. if you voted labor, bad..fucken..luck!!

Totally agree. Thats the problem with the Australian public. No one can suck it up and blame themselves. Its imbred in our culture to blame someone else.

So when someone is struggling financially because of their own mistakes it is never their own fault. The fact that 3 or 4 slabs are a necessity every week, pumping hundreds of dollars into a 20 year old car that you cant let go of, or hiring jims mowing because you're too fukn lazy to do it yourself, ohhhh those things surely cant be the reason!!

Stop blaming the government you selfish "battlers". I see it all the time when i drive through a suburb called Elizabeth here in Adelaide (where the poorer labor voting battler population reside). I see families with daughters who are 18 and already have 3 kids, I see houses that when new would have been very beautiful wrecked to an uninhabitable condition, I see gangs of 13 year olds in the street walking by ripping mirrors and badges from cars for fun, I see people on their front porch on a tuesday afternoon, with 4 or 5 eskies full of VB or WestEnd drinking the afternoon away, I see a middle aged mum walking to the Local for a go at the pokies, I see the local park which was constructed only months before hand with missing swings, broken seasaws etc.

But thats all Howards fault :patsch

Harden the F*&K UP australia

[teke]

You cant say something like that and not explain yourself dude.

Otherwise your not really maknig any point.

I can easily say my uncle was part of the team that wrote the protocol, and whether or not it's true is up toyou to decide.My pt was this subject is in the very hard basket for anyone/Government to take on.

...and for your last comment, are you questioning what knowledge i have of the subject? I have a Forestry & a Fisheries management degree that I painstakingly took for 5 yrs. I would pick a better subject to lie about than this one :yep

[teke]

cmon teke. kiwis know nothin about fishin........or rugby...sensitive topic mate :twisted:

[hell on legs]

I dont know anyone thats stuggling due to intrest rates,I.R laws, inflation, petrol prices, CPI, the fact that they have a credit card and so on

I do however know a couple of families that smoke, drink lots, eat out or get takeaway a couple of times a week, use the TAB account excessively, have a house full of mobile phones and have borrowed on their mortgage to get the "stuff they need " like another car, home extension etc.

If people live beyond their means now, as a couple of my friends do now, then they may just lose what they have. They better not whinge in my ear if they answer YES to my question "did you vote labour ? "

I've been a fence sitter for the last couple of elections, and i voted Lib this time just due to "better the devil you know ".

[teke]

in 2001 i had nothing. no house, no money. why is it i can afford another (!) home if i desire, and you labor fools cant???? because you whinging labor fools borrowed for cars, white goods and credit cards. if you did get a mortgage, and cant make payments, its cause you are a dumb cunt that paid too much for your home, lied to the bank about your income, or you live above your means.:lol:

Pretty big generalisation right there

[Hmmm]

of all the greenhouse gas emmisions the 'earth' creates, MAN produces 0.1% of that!!!!! it has been explaind as; if greenhouse gas emmisions were a 100 story building, mans emmissions total the lino on the fist floor.

many learned scientists either contend that man has no significance in the earths cycle of climate changes (remember we have ice ages as well, and england was once much warmer) or that the earth is not warming at all, its just a cycle.

im more inclined to think that C.H and carbon control, is being used as a trade war weapon against developing countries.

Im with you on the whole issue, but your calculations are wrong and I'd correct them before the ESB police try to chop your head off.

with what you are saying each floor represents 1%. assuming each floor is around 3m in height (which is normal) 0.1% would be 30cm. Thats some very thick Lino you've got there mate :good

[T.C.W]

I hope Rudd doesn't say sorry to the aborigine's because it will just turn into a money grab and the only winners out of this will brewery's

[IrnBruMan]

Damn, Howard got Lacy'd :yep

[one in a million]

FFS its all over red rover, get over it & build a bridge :yep Isn't there anything interesting in the boxing to talk about?

[Hmmm]

all over red rover

:yep You certainly got that right.... :yep

[Dantes]

Kevin KO1 Howard.

Deal with it.

[LeonMcS]

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[pecks]

Damn, Howard got Lacy'd :yep:yep
Yep, and it appears many people here are having great difficulty coping. :p

Anyway, Howard was getting too old anyway. When he's talking on that parliment show, he always mentions "Mr Speaker" about 3 times during each sentence.

""yes Mr Speaker, Terrorists oppose nations, Mr Speaker, such as the United States and Australia, Mr Speaker, not because of what we have done, Mr Speaker, but because of our values, Mr Speaker, and what we stand, mr Speaker, for, Mr Speaker." :nut

He should encourage Richie Benaud to retire as well.

[kruger]

You may need to wait a couple of years until the damage is done mate...

But you WILL see interest rates rise (and im not talking about the minor rises you've been seeing over the last few years), you will eventually see transport/infrastructure go down the drain (which it has been here in SA since the Gov became labour), you will (if you ever decide to own your own business) find it very difficult to sack a lazy-assed-piece-of-shit-worker. But then again you might be one of those... :tong


ecconomic reforms are complex...

the foundation for Howards success was a resources boom, GLOBAL success AND reforms made largely by keating but also EVEN BEFORE THEN including ones made by hawke... which howard even admitted to in the debate that he lost to rudd...

also economic factors are not the only thing important in elections, moral and ethical decisions as well as general spending and infrastructure are also a big deal

[kruger]

I hope Rudd doesn't say sorry to the aborigine's because it will just turn into a money grab and the only winners out of this will brewery's

of course he will say sorry...

but sorry has effectively been said before...

read keatings redferne speech, it can be found on the net... all that rudd has to do is read that out again and everyone will be happy... and nothing bad happened after the redferen speech

[Hmmm]

of course he will say sorry...

but sorry has effectively been said before...

read keatings redferne speech, it can be found on the net... all that rudd has to do is read that out again and everyone will be happy... and nothing bad happened after the redferen speech

Was that while Keating was PM???

[kruger]

Not that my 2 cents is worth much but I do very honestly believe our next budget will be in deficit for the first time in a very long time come next financial year.

1. I dont think labor has fully weighed out the consequences of ratifying kyoto.
2. They can expect a whole pile of indigenous compensation claims come the day they say Sorry.
3. On top of that he still has to budget in all the election promises and fund the current war efforts - there's no such thing as an "immediate" withdrawal.
4. Whehter you like it or not the unemployment rate WILL go up especially if significant changes are made to the IR laws. As a directly result of just a 1% change of unemployment means millions of dollars change in their budget.

But good luck Rudd. If you can pull it off i'll be very surprised.

re: compensation claims, isnt there immunity to things said in parliment?

in a court of law it doesnt matter if you think you have wronged someone or not, it matters what the court thinks...

[Hmmm]

re: compensation claims, isnt there immunity to things said in parliment?

in a court of law it doesnt matter if you think you have wronged someone or not, it matters what the court thinks...

You dont really sound like you're well informed on the subject, but pretend to be, mate. But kudos for trying.

The whole issue revolves around "admission of guilt". The importance of that is when it's done by the head of government it means the current government is willing to accept responsibilty of the action of a past government.

In retrospect, Mr Keatings statement was made after he was no longer PM and therefore fails to carry the significance and importance that it would have were he still in power.

The "court of law" (as you so elegantly put it) is still limited on its decisions by evidence presented to it. You will often find a judge personally not agreeing with a decision however is required by law and judicial constrainst to rule in favour of someone, epecially in cases where circumstancial evidence is involved. In addition, in the case of a jury, dont forget that the decision needs to be unanimous.





:pwned

[kruger]

You dont really sound like you're well informed on the subject, but pretend to be, mate. But kudos for trying.

The whole issue revolves around "admission of guilt". The importance of that is when it's done by the head of government it means the current government is willing to accept responsibilty of the action of a past government.

In retrospect, Mr Keatings statement was made after he was no longer PM and therefore fails to carry the significance and importance that it would have were he still in power.

The "court of law" (as you so elegantly put it) is still limited on its decisions by evidence presented to it. You will often find a judge personally not agreeing with a decision however is required by law and judicial constrainst to rule in favour of someone, epecially in cases where circumstancial evidence is involved. In addition, in the case of a jury, dont forget that the decision needs to be unanimous.





:pwned

haha okay, except that the paul keating redern speech was made in 1992 when he was the prime minister...

and yes lots of judges may not agree with various decisions made but you are correct they have to rely on the facts and whether rudd says hes sorry or not has nothing to do wiht the facts of history...

also sorry doesnt have to be an admission of guilt... howard said he was sorry that roves wife died... didnt mean he did it, or accepted the guilt of the cancer...

howards refusal to say sorry is deeper than a legal issue...

[kruger]

The speech below, on indigenous issues, was given by the then Prime Minister of Australia, Paul Keating, at Redfern Park in Sydney on 10 December 1992 (For non-Australians, Redfern is an inner city suburb of Sydney with an historically large Aboriginal population).
Australian Launch of the International Year for the World's Indigenous People

Ladies and gentlemen,

I am very pleased to be here today at the launch of Australia's celebration of the 1993 International Year of the World's Indigenous People.

It will be a year of great significance for Australia.

It comes at a time when we have committed ourselves to succeeding in the test which so far we have always failed.

Because, in truth, we cannot confidently say that we have succeeded as we would like to have succeeded if we have not managed to extend opportunity and care, dignity and hope to the indigenous pople of Australia - the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island people.

This is a fundamental test of our social goals and our national will: our ability to say to ourselves and the rest of the world that Australia is a first rate social democracy, that we are what we should be - truly the land of the fair go and the better chance.

There is no more basic test of how seriously we mean these things.

It is a test of our self-knowledge. Of how well we know the land we live in. How well we know our history. How well we recognise the fact that, complex as our contemporary identity is, it cannot be separated from Aboriginal Australia. How well we know what Aboriginal Australians know about Australia.

Redfern is a good place to contemplate these things.

Just a mile or two from the place where the first European settlers landed, in too many ways it tells us that their failure to bring much more than devastation and demoralisation to Aboriginal Australia continues to be our failure.

More I think than most Australians recognise, the plight of Aboriginal Australians affects us all. In Redfern it might be tempting to think that the reality Aboriginal Australians face is somehow contained here, and that the rest of us are insulated from it. But of course, while all the dilemmas may exist here, they are far from contained. We know the same dilemmas and more are faced all over Australia.

This is perhaps the point of this Year of the World's Indigenous People: to bring the dispossessed out of the shadows, to recognise that they are part of us, and that we cannot give indigenous Australians up without giving up many of our own most deeply held values, much of our own identity - and our own humanity.

Nowhere in the world, I would venture, is the message more stark than in Australia.

We simply cannot sweep injustice aside. Even if our own conscience allowed us to, I am sure, that in due course, the world and the people of our region would not. There should be no mistake about this - our success in resolving these issues will have a significant bearing on our standing in the world.

However intractable the problems may seem, we cannot resign ourselves to failure - any more than we can hide behind the contemporary viersion of Social Darwinism which says that to reach back for the poor and dispossessed is to risk being dragged down.

That seems to me not only morally indefensible, but bad history.

We non-Aboriginal Australians should perhaps remind ourselves that Australia once reached out for us. Didn't Australia provide opportunity and care for the dispossessed Irish? The poor of Britain? The refugees from war and famine and persecution in the countries of Europe and Asia? Isn't it reasonable to say that if we can build a prosperous and remarkably harmonious multicultural society in Australia, surely we can find just solutions to the problems which beset the first Australians - the people to whom the most injustice has been done.

And, as I say, the starting point might be to recognise that the problem starts with us non-Aboriginal Australians.

It begins, I think, with the act of recognition. Recognition that it was we who did the dispossessing. We took the traditional lands and smashed the traditional way of life. We brought the disasters. The alcohol. We committed the murders. We took the children from their mothers. We practised discrimination and exclusion.

It was our ignorance and our prejudice. And our failure to imagine these things being done to us. With some noble exceptions, we failed to make the most basic human response and enter into their hearts and minds. We failed to ask - how would I feel if this were done to me?

As a consequence, we failed to see that what we were doing degraded all of us.

If we needed a reminder of this, we received it this year. The Report of the Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody showed with devastating clarity that the past lives on in inequality, racism and injustice in the prejudice and ignorance of non-Aboriginal Australians, and in the demoralisation and desperation, the fractured identity, of so many Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders.

For all this, I do not believe that the Report should fill us with guilt. Down the years, there has been no shortage of guilt, but it has not produced the responses we need. Guilt is not a very constructive emotion.

I think what we need to do is open our hearts a bit.

All of us.

Perhaps when we recognise what we have in common we will see the things which must be done - the practical things.

There is something of this in the creation of the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation. The council's mission is to forge a new partnership built on justice and equity and an appreciation of the heritage of Australia's indigenous people. In the abstract those terms are meaningles. We have to give meaning to 'justice' and 'equity' - and, as I have said several times this year, we will only give them meaning when we commit ourselves to achieving concrete results.

If we improve the living conditions in one town, they will improve in another. And another. If we raise the standard of health by 20 per cent one year, it will be raised more the next. if we open one door others will follow.

When we see improvement, when we see more dignity, more confidence, more happiness - we will know we are going to win. We need these practical building blocks of change.

The Mabo judgment should be seen as one of these. By doing away with the bizarre conceit that this continent had no owners prior to the settlement of Europeans, Mabo establishes a fundamental truth and lays the basis for justice. It will be much easier to work from that basis than has ever been the case in the past.

For this reason alone we should ignore the isolated outbreaks of hysteria and hostility of the past few months. Mabo is an historic decision - we can make it an historic turning point, the basis of a new relationship between indigenous and non-Aboriginal Australians.

The message should be that there is nothing to fear or to lose in the recognition of historical truth, or the extension of social justice, or the deepening of Australian social democracy to include indigenous Australians.

There is everything to gain.

Even the unhappy past speaks for this. Where Aboriginal Australians have been included in the life of Australia they have made remarkable contributions. Economic contributions, particularly in the pastoral and agricultural industry. They are there in the frontier and exploration history of Australia. They are there in the ways. In sport ot an extraordinary degree. In literature and art and mustic.

In all these things they have shaped our knowledge of this continent and of ourselves. They have shaped our identity. They are there in the Australian legend. We should never forget - they helped build this nation. And if we have a sense of justice, as well as common sense, we will forge a new partnership.

As I said, it might help us if we non-Aboriginal Australians imaigined ourselves dispossessed of land we have lived on for 50 000 years - and then imagined ouselves told that it had never been ours.

Imagine if ours was the oldest culture in tehworld and we were told that it was worthless. Imagine if we had resisted this settlement, suffered and died in the defence of our land, and then were told in history books that we had given up without a fight. Imagine if non-Aboriginal Australians had served their country in peace and war and were then ignored in history books. Imagine if our feats on sporting fields had inspired admiration and patriotism and yet did nothing to diminish prejudice. Imagine if our spiritual life was denied and ridiculed.

Imagine if we had suffed the injustice and then were blamed for it.

It seems to me that if we can imagine the injustice then we can imagine its opposite. And we can have justice.

I say that for two reasons: I say it because I believe that the great things about Australian social democracy reflect a fundamental belief in justice. And I say it because in so many other areas we have proved our capacity over the years to go on extending the realism of participating, oppotunity and care.

[kruger]

Just as Australian living in the relatively narrow and insular Australia of the 1960s imagined a culturally diverse, worldly and open Australia, and in a generation turned the idea into reality, so we can turn the goals of reconciliation into reality.

There are very good signs that the process has begun. The creation of the Reconciliation Council is evidence itself. The establishment of the ATSIC - the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission - is also evidence. The Council is the product of imagination and goodwill. ATSIC emerges from the vision of indigenous self-determination and self-management. The vision has already become the reality of almost 800 elected Aboriginal Regional Councillors and Commissioners determining priorities and developing their own programs.

All over Australia, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities are taking charge of their own lives. And assistance with the problems which chronically beset them is at last being made available in ways developed by the communities themselves. If these things offer hope, so does the fact that this generation of Australians is better informed about Aboriginal culture and ahievement, and about the injustice that has been done, than any generation before.

We are beginning to more generally appreciate the depth and the diversity of Aboriginal and Torrest Strait Islander cultures. From their music and art and dance we are beginning to recognise how much richer our national life and identity will be for the participation of Aboriginals and Torres Strait Islanders. We are beginning to learn what the indigenous people have known for many thousands of years - how to live with our physical environment.

Ever so gradually we are learning how to see Australia through Aboriginal eyes, beginning to recognise the wisdom contained in their epic story.

I think we are beginning to see how much we owe the indigenous Australians and how much we have lost by living so apart.

I said we non-indigenous Australians should try to imagine the Aboriginal view.

It can't be too hard. Someone imagined this event today, and it is now a marvellous reality and a great reason for hope.

There is one thing today we cannot imagine. We cannot imagine that the descendants of people whose genius and resilience maintained a culture here through 50 000 years or more, through cataclysmic changes to the climate and environment, and who then survived two centuries of dispossession and abuse, will be denied their place in the modern Australian nation.

We cannot imagine that.

We cannot imagine that we will fail.

And with the spirit that is here today i am confident that we won't.

I am confident that we will succeed in this decade.

Thank you.

[kruger]

so keating when he was prime minister says that it was our fault that aborigines have had such a shit time and that we should feel guilty for it and there has never been a single legal action...

yet howard saying sorry would have spelt the end of the world


wake up to yourself

really


unless you feel that saying that something is our fault and that we should feel guilty is not an admission of guilt but saying sorry is in which case you are an idiot and need to wake up to yourself but for different reasons.


wake up

[Hmmm]

As I have said before - Keating never actually said "sorry" in that speech. He did say sorry after he was no longer PM and expressed regret for not having done so while he was PM.

Its one thing to acknowledge or show "recognition" of the deeds of the past, and another thing to accept full and total responsibility by saying sorry. But cheers for quoting the speech :)

[kruger]

As I have said before - Keating never actually said "sorry" in that speech. He did say sorry after he was no longer PM and expressed regret for not having done so while he was PM.

Its one thing to acknowledge or show "recognition" of the deeds of the past, and another thing to accept full and total responsibility by saying sorry. But cheers for quoting the speech :)

okay where we disagree is what sorry represents...

clearly it doesnt have to be an admission of guilt as he did say sorry to rove for his wife dieing...

also its hard to find a more clear admission of guilt than keating effectively saying its our fault and we should feel guilty for it...

and as you pointed out its not the word sorry but what it represents (admission of guilt) that is important...

but im happy to agree to disagree on this point...

the proof will be in the pudding though...

howard could have not said sorry but said something, anything and not been seen as a racist...

[Hmmm]

haha okay, except that the paul keating redern speech was made in 1992 when he was the prime minister...

and yes lots of judges may not agree with various decisions made but you are correct they have to rely on the facts and whether rudd says hes sorry or not has nothing to do wiht the facts of history...

also sorry doesnt have to be an admission of guilt... howard said he was sorry that roves wife died... didnt mean he did it, or accepted the guilt of the cancer...

howards refusal to say sorry is deeper than a legal issue...

You need to learn the english language mate.

There are 2 different definitions for "sorry" or 2 different types if you like.

One is to express one's heartfelt sympathy for anothers misfortunes (as what Howard did for Rove).

Then there is the Apology version of sorry. completely different.

[Hmmm]

okay where we disagree is what sorry represents...

clearly it doesnt have to be an admission of guilt as he did say sorry to rove for his wife dieing...

also its hard to find a more clear admission of guilt than keating effectively saying its our fault and we should feel guilty for it...

and as you pointed out its not the word sorry but what it represents (admission of guilt) that is important...

but im happy to agree to disagree on this point...

the proof will be in the pudding though...

howard could have not said sorry but said something, anything and not been seen as a racist...

Howard has expressed many a time that he is very sypathetic to what has happened in the past. He's not denying what happened, mate.

[kruger]

You need to learn the english language mate.

There are 2 different definitions for "sorry" or 2 different types if you like.

One is to express one's heartfelt sympathy for anothers misfortunes (as what Howard did for Rove).

Then there is the Apology version of sorry. completely different.

yes we agree, atleast two definitions of sorry... who said which one had to be used?

also keating certianly did admit guilt in his speech that he made while he was prime minister...

i dont see the big deal about the word sorry, if admission of guilt is the problem... 1 sorry does not have to be an admision of guilt and 2 an admission of guilt has already been made with no consequence...



re: your other reply regarding howard and his sympathy, haha okay i strongly disagree, infact he would disagree with you, he even made a big deal recently about how poorly he handled indigenous issues and relations...

[teke]

5 votes since the election has been completed :lol::-(

[pecks]

5 votes since the election has been completed :lol::-(:lol:
I guess they're taking advantage of the moron who never set a date for the poll to close, whoever the thread starter was. :p

Kevin 07, Bunnies 08, Mundine 09, Socceroos 2010, Kiwi's to choke again 2011! :deal

[Marcus]

:lol:
I guess they're taking advantage of the moron who never set a date for the poll to close, whoever the thread starter was. :p

Kevin 07, Bunnies 08, Mundine 09, Socceroos 2010, Kiwi's to choke again 2011! :deal


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Greens won it for Labour :deal

[Dr Gonzo]

Malcolm Turnbull 2010 :deal

[Marcus]

Malcolm Turnbull 2010 :deal

What the fuck are you talkin about?

oh i know, its called, clutching at straws :deal

[Dr Gonzo]

What the fuck are you talkin about?

oh i know, its called, clutching at straws :deal

:rofl

i bet you voted for the greens hey? im a staunch conservative but in your case i dont blame you if you did - that pulp mill is bad for tassie.

[Marcus]

:rofl

i bet you voted for the greens hey? im a staunch conservative but in your case i dont blame you if you did - that pulp mill is bad for tassie.

oh yell yeah mate!!! i smoked a big fatty before i went to vote, and they had a jumping castle there!!! talk about fun, me and my neice had a quick jump around. Only in Tassie :good

Mate the Pulp Mill could be good for Tassie, lots of jobs and so on, but they want to build it in the Tamar Valley, 35km from where i live. We already have poor air quality due to being in a vally with a lot of homes still using wood heaters. Its just the wrong location, but the best location for Gunns (who wanna build it).

[Hmmm]

me and my neice had a quick jump around.

:yep why am i not surprised :hey


:tong

[Marcus]

dont get mad because you lost your erection Hmmm :tong

[Hmmm]

dont get mad because you lost your erection Hmmm :tong

You asian by any chance?? you seem to struggle with your L's :tong

[Marcus]

You asian by any chance?? you seem to struggle with your L's :tong

Na mate, didnt you ear the knew faxs about literacy in Oztralia, Tazzie in the only steak to go backwoods.

So im keepin it real hommie.

[the beaver]

Brendan Nelson the new opposition leader.

Thoughts?

[Dr Gonzo]

Brendan Nelson the new opposition leader.

Thoughts? terrible... im a big liberal supporter and he was my last choice for sure. Hockey was my number one (but didnt run) then Abbott, Turnbull and Nelson. Nelson is a complete twit. He is ex labor for fcks sake!

[Hmmm]

Not too stoked about Nelson. Turnbull would have been much better. Turnbull is a very smart man.

[the beaver]

terrible... im a big liberal supporter and he was my last choice for sure. Hockey was my number one (but didnt run) then Abbott, Turnbull and Nelson. Nelson is a complete twit. He is ex labor for fcks sake!


Yeah the ex-labor history is a worry. That aside i don't know too much about Nelson.

My main elect was obviously Costello but after that it was tough. Hockey is appealling to the public but still a bit young (and fat :lol: ) Abbott was another favourite of mine but had a bad election campaign and had too many angry pills during that time. Downer is ok but he's had a go at it before.....For some reason Turnbull just doesn't do it for me, something about him i just don't like.

I guess time will tell.

[Marcus]

The Liberal party is fucked, go to sleep for 6 years and then worry about it.

[Dr Gonzo]

Yeah the ex-labor history is a worry. That aside i don't know too much about Nelson.

My main elect was obviously Costello but after that it was tough. Hockey is appealling to the public but still a bit young (and fat :lol: ) Abbott was another favourite of mine but had a bad election campaign and had too many angry pills during that time. Downer is ok but he's had a go at it before.....For some reason Turnbull just doesn't do it for me, something about him i just don't like.

I guess time will tell. Yeah i think Turnbull has a few too many personal motives that wouldnt be good for the wider community. But still better than Nelson.

[Dr Gonzo]

The Liberal party is fucked, go to sleep for 6 years and then worry about it. at least ill get to sleep through all the mass strikes and union bullshit that will happen LOL oh and the weaker economy :deal

[Marcus]

at least ill get to sleep through all the mass strikes and union bullshit that will happen LOL oh and the weaker economy :deal



:blabla :boohoo :crybaby :crybby :cry:

[LeonMcS]

To get a glimpse of how the Mayweather Nuthuggers would react to a loss next week one only has to have a look at this thread.

[kruger]

terrible... im a big liberal supporter and he was my last choice for sure. Hockey was my number one (but didnt run) then Abbott, Turnbull and Nelson. Nelson is a complete twit. He is ex labor for fcks sake!

Why abbott?

trying to put my political bias aside i can understand that he is an articulate good looking guy that would be what all sorts of demographics would like on face value... but when you dig deeper i dont see a whole lot...

he was a bit of a wrecking ball this election for the libs, he fucked things up pretty good, by arriving late, then swearing at the debate, then admitting that IR didnt work for all people and that rather than challenging people worse off should just quit there jobs and find other work, then denying he said it and saying it was doctored and then later when the entire talk was released it became apperent he did say those things...

i also dont like some of his conservative stances with abortion but thats a political thing i guess...

also he came and talked at my university graduation he was supposed to give a bit of a pep talk about graduation and entering the professional world, instead he gave a 50minute monologue about how awesome the liberal party was... even the very very biased liberal fans thought it was inappropriate...

so yeah if he learns to shut up and to be more careful with what he says i would agree he could potentially be a great leader, hes got some things that cant be learned ie looks, and charisma, but he doesnt mind shooting himself in the foot...

thats just my opinion...

anythoughts?

[pecks]

To get a glimpse of how the Mayweather Nuthuggers would react to a loss next week one only has to have a look at this thread.:lol: True.

Suck it in bitches. Labor won. :yep

P.s... Anyone know a place where I can buy a megaphone?

[Dr Gonzo]

:lol: True.

Suck it in bitches. Labor won. :yep

P.s... Anyone know a place where I can buy a megaphone?

and yell "where coming back!" :lol:

[Dekkers]

I voted Democrats, what a waste of a vote that was :nut, but at the end of the day I just couldn't stomach the cunt rags in either party :think

[Hmmm]

Rudds ideas (and also Howards for that matter) will fizzle into thin air either way. The thing is they have very limited say in regards to FTTN (Fibre to the Node) rollout. Simply put (and if you really want PM me about it), there is too much corporate bullshit going on...

Some people need to have it shoved under their noses to believe it....

Oh well - it boosted his election votes - and thats all that counts, right....


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[teke]

Labor :happy:happy:happy

[Marcus]

Let it go.

Why hasnt Scar removed this old thread, i tell ya what, he is random with his clean up. Did i say random, i ment to say fucked.

Hi Mods :hi:

ps, we need a Aussie mod!!!

[Dr Gonzo]

i dont think anyone in the aussie forum is neutral enough to be a mod :rofl

heaven forbid we give MSTR the power LOL

[Marcus]

i dont think anyone in the aussie forum is neutral enough to be a mod :rofl

heaven forbid we give MSTR the power LOL

If we had a Aussie mod, The Guru still would be above them.

[Dr Gonzo]

If we had a Aussie mod, The Guru still would be above them.

:lol: who?

[Marcus]

:lol: who?

What do you mean who?

MSTR = The Guru

[Hmmm]

That one sting, didnt it... :yep

Deleting this thread??

Cmon sounds like a little kid putting his hands over his ears and going "lalalalalala" :D