Floyd Mayweather's demise may come by his own hand

[Popshots]

As a Mayweather, fan it becoming apparent at least in my estimation that he will possibly be a statistic. Forget about Hatton he will be victorious on Dec 8th. In the long run, don't see a fighter mainly being the cause of his defeat, but it will be an accumulation of internal issues and his opponent of course.

I believe it will be Floyd's potential insecurity that will be the cause of his demise. I'm sure Floyd's relationship with his father etc.. is a major cause of this, but I sometimes wonder if his flashy lifestyle is an indicator of insecurity or simply a man who is enjoying the finer things in life.

Insecurity can potentially play a role in his demise because as long as he's p4p #1 he will have his corner or people on the street tell him how great he is. My point is, if he is insecure, will he be another fighter who simply doesn't know when to get out of the game and relinquish the spotlight which will put him at risk of inevitable being defeated . Again, I say OF COURSE his opponent if he is every defeat play a role in his loss, but I see him losing as a man who is fighting way past his prime, but I could be wrong.

[surreal deal]

very enigmatic and dramatic thread title that.

[Popshots]

What insecurity are you talking about,just because the guy dont get on wif his dad dont mean shit,the guy wouldnt achieve what he has achieved if he wasnt secure,you dont beat a 154 pounder who has just brutally knocked out Mayorga if you are insecure.

Floyd has beaten all the feared guys,when he beat Castillo,Castillo was a feared man,no insecure guy would get into the ring with such,Coralles was known for knocking out people and Floyd whooped his ass.

Forget all this bulshit about insecurity mate

Are you truly that ignorant? I'm not questioning floyd's skills or accomplishments "mate". You apparently didn't read my thread so I won't bother explaining. Maybe if you actually read it, you're questions would have been answered. I never said anything about "fear" as you mentioned. Fear and insecurity in the context that I used it in have distinct definitions.

[mr. magoo]

I think any fighter who stays around long enough will eventually become vulnerable. All fighters decline for various reasons, Drugs, politics, poor training, marital problems. Time however is the only universal downfall of all athletes. No matter how good you are, father time will always catch up to you. Mayweather is 30 years old now, and fluxuating in weight quite a bit. He originally stated after the De la Hoya fight, that he was going to hang em' up. Of course we all laughed when we heard this, and now he's scheduled to fight next month. My opinion on Mayweather is that he should beat Ricky Hatton, then have maybe one more fight in 08', then wisely call it quits. He's already acheived more than he's ever going to, and if he's managed his money as well as he states, then it shouldn't be a problem. The biggest issue for Floyd, is the craving for being in the spotlight. Men like Floyd have always overstayed their welcome in boxing for this very reason. A good alternative for him would be to possibly try a career in acting or something similar.

[Popshots]

very enigmatic and dramatic thread title that.

Its not difficult to understand my thread title and as for dramatic, what can I say I love to write and think outside of the box in convincing fashion.

[Marnoff]

It's questionable whether someone who is insecure could last so long at the very peak of the game. Floyd has been dominating for years now, and always comes into the ring in shape and does his job.

[Marnoff]

I think any fighter who stays around long enough will eventually become vulnerable. All fighters decline for various reasons, Drugs, politics, poor training, marital problems. Time however is the only universal downfall of all athletes. No matter how good you are, father time will always catch up to you. Mayweather is 30 years old now, and fluxuating in weight quite a bit. He originally stated after the De la Hoya fight, that he was going to hang em' up. Of course we all laughed when we heard this, and now he's scheduled to fight next month. My opinion on Mayweather is that he should beat Ricky Hatton, then have maybe one more fight in 08', then wisely call it quits. He's already acheived more than he's ever going to, and if he's managed his money as well as he states, then it shouldn't be a problem. The biggest issue for Floyd, is the craving for being in the spotlight. Men like Floyd have always overstayed their welcome in boxing for this very reason. A good alternative for him would be to possibly try a career in acting or something similar.

Well said.

[Popshots]

I think any fighter who stays around long enough will eventually become vulnerable. All fighters decline for various reasons, Drugs, politics, poor training, marital problems. Time however is the only universal downfall of all athletes. No matter how good you are, father time will always catch up to you. Mayweather is 30 years old now, and fluxuating in weight quite a bit. He originally stated after the De la Hoya fight, that he was going to hang em' up. Of course we all laughed when we heard this, and now he's scheduled to fight next month. My opinion on Mayweather is that he should beat Ricky Hatton, then have maybe one more fight in 08', then wisely call it quits. He's already acheived more than he's ever going to, and if he's managed his money as well as he states, then it shouldn't be a problem. The biggest issue for Floyd, is the craving for being in the spotlight. Men like Floyd have always overstayed their welcome in boxing for this very reason. A good alternative for him would be to possibly try a career in acting or something similar.

My faith in ESB remains, someone that actually reads. I agree that there are various reason why fighters in general fall. As I've stated and as you restated that Floyd loves the spotlight which is his potential downfall. I'm writing this thread because he is the most hated fighter and I don't see him losing to Cotto, etc. If he stays long after his welcome his 0 will vanish.

[Popshots]

It's questionable whether someone who is insecure could last so long at the very peak of the game. Floyd has been dominating for years now, and always comes into the ring in shape and does his job.

Oh boy here we go again, Again, I'm not questioning his talent and longevity thus far. He's is proven and is probably the hardest worker in boxing as far a preparing himself for a fight. I'm using insecurity in the definition that he will stay longer then he is supposed to in the fight game because he loves the spotlight and will inevitable lose. I also raised the question in my thread on whether or not he was insecure. There is a possible linkage to insecurity and lingering around in the spotlight well past your time. Did you even read the post? All of this was covered.

[kirk]

What insecurity are you talking about,just because the guy dont get on wif his dad dont mean shit,the guy wouldnt achieve what he has achieved if he wasnt secure,you dont beat a 154 pounder who has just brutally knocked out Mayorga if you are insecure.

Floyd has beaten all the feared guys,when he beat Castillo,Castillo was a feared man,no insecure guy would get into the ring with such,Coralles was known for knocking out people and Floyd whooped his ass.

Forget all this bulshit about insecurity mate

Not true...

your not understanding what hes talking about.

Hes not saying hes not secure about WINNING. obviously every true champion and warrior (regardless of his style imo mayweather is a true warrior) is secure in those areas...

that doesnt mean floyd doesnt suffer from extreme internal insecuraties.

Im not saying he does, im not saying he doesnt.... but the signs are there. When you place people around you like he does, in the manner which he does, which are a bunch of cheerleader types that circle him like planets around the sun.... it could be that, its just his clan and whatever, he feeds off that kind of stuff.... or it could mean something else to the opposite exreme.

who knows.

[Popshots]

Not true...

your not understanding what hes talking about.

Hes not saying hes not secure about WINNING. obviously every true champion and warrior (regardless of his style imo mayweather is a true warrior) is secure in those areas...

that doesnt mean floyd doesnt suffer from extreme internal insecuraties.

Im not saying he does, im not saying he doesnt.... but the signs are there. When you place people around you like he does, in the manner which he does, which are a bunch of cheerleader types that circle him like planets around the sun.... it could be that, its just his clan and whatever, he feeds off that kind of stuff.... or it could mean something else to the opposite exreme.

who knows.


OH MY GOODNESS another person who actually reads thread on ESB this is a rarity :happy .Its not about agreeing or disagreeing, but thanks for at least understanding my view point.

[griff]

I think Floyd is very insure deep inside but it nevers affects his boxing.

[sthomas]

Good points Popshots. What I'm hoping for is that Floyd is crazy like a fox. I'm not a Floyd expert by any means, but there seems to be two Floyds. 1) Floyd the performer, bad guy personna, personally created to maximize his exposure revenue potentila. 2) Floyd the guy who seems like a decent man once the stage lights are off, good with his kids, friends etc.

Most boxers do seem to hang around too long and their competitive nature, and greed, perhaps drives them far too long. Sugar Ray Leonard is a great example. After Haglar, what else did he need to do? The guy was rich, had TV gigs all over the place, and yet he came back. Lennox, on the other hand, seemed to get out @ just the right time.

[Popshots]

I think Floyd is very insure deep inside but it nevers affects his boxing.

My original statement mentioned his possible insecurity issues as the eventual downfall of his career. I was simply stating that he surrounded people that boost his ego which is ok for now, but if he dosn't know when to step out of the spotlight (possibly due to insecurity issues) then he will probably be a victim of fighting past his prime and lose. Can you see how this possibly ties up? PBF is a great fighter and I don't see Hatton, Cotto or anyone defeat him in the present moment (possibly giving him a little trouble). This scenerio happens to many fighter, PBF as good as he is, isn't the exception to this foe.

[mr. magoo]

My faith in ESB remains, someone that actually reads. I agree that there are various reason why fighters in general fall. As I've stated and as you restated that Floyd loves the spotlight which is his potential downfall. I'm writing this thread because he is the most hated fighter and I don't see him losing to Cotto, etc. If he stays long after his welcome his 0 will vanish.


Lol:lol:

I try my best to read threads thoroughly before responding. In the past though I've been guilty of taking the lazy route.

At anyrate, this is an interesting topic. You and I both seem to agree that Floyd's ego and need for attention will likely take him into old age in boxing. For Floyd, that time is probably 3 to 4 years away. I don't see finances, or the desire for more world titles being his motivation. Floyd needs to be on the cover of sports illustrated, and have his name anounced over the loud speaker. For men like him, this is a better rush than sex. I don't see Mayweather staying undefeated. Even if he does retire, the temptation to return will be to strong for him to resist. In the end, he will leave boxing the same way Ray Leonard did, only with far less popularity.

[Popshots]

Lol:lol:

I try my best to read threads thoroughly before responding. In the past though I've been guilty of taking the lazy route.

At anyrate, this is an interesting topic. You and I both seem to agree that Floyd's ego and need for attention will likely take him into old age in boxing. For Floyd, that time is probably 3 to 4 years away. I don't see finances, or the desire for more world titles being his motivation. Floyd needs to be on the cover of sports illustrated, and have his name anounced over the loud speaker. For men like him, this is a better rush than sex. I don't see Mayweather staying undefeated. Even if he does retire, the temptation to return will be to strong for him to resist. In the end, he will leave boxing the same way Ray Leonard did, only with far less popularity.

Its all good, I've been guilty myself until I realise how misleading it can to do that. I like to challenge my readers with more then "who is the hardest puncher" or "who has the fastest hand" etc. I will force them to think or they can simply hate me for doing so by cursing at me:D.

Back to Floyd, as much as I hate to admit you're probably right. H probably is likely end up returning if he should retire undefeated once again. He call's himself the greatest fighter ever (which I don't have a problem with) and with those claims he is surely to many fighters calling him out especially young hungry fighter and on one fateful night they're youth will prove to be to much of a challenge for him because he is past his prime still trying to live in the spotlight. In the end I hope he proves me wrong.

[nervousxtian]

Floyd isn't past his prime though, but I do agree if he loses it will be mainly his own fault. He will take someone lightly and he'll get caught, his talk of retirement after his last fight doesn't bode well with me, as it means he is already looking past Hatton somewhat.

I question his hunger to goto war if he has too, but I still think an unfocused Floyd will be able to be Hatton.

[Popshots]

This thread is bulshit,what insecurity,can you quantify

Gee I wonder why you're so angry perhaps your avatar is a give away :D
My thread is B.S. to you might actually have to use your brain and think. All you have to do to have yours questions answer is go back and read what the topic is about and if you have any questions then I'll be happy to answer them. I don't care if you agree or disagree just READ first.

[Popshots]

Floyd isn't past his prime though, but I do agree if he loses it will be mainly his own fault. He will take someone lightly and he'll get caught, his talk of retirement after his last fight doesn't bode well with me, as it means he is already looking past Hatton somewhat.

I question his hunger to goto war if he has too, but I still think an unfocused Floyd will be able to be Hatton.

I know floyd isn't past his prime, I was referring to if he fights past his prime then he will likely lose because of other factors. Just read my post and it will explain how i came to the theory of his possible demise. As far as Hatton Floyd will defeat him, Cotto, and any of those other fighters at 147 although if he fought Paul williams I'd have to go with him not necessarily because I think he can beat Floyd but thats another story.

[Popshots]

wow look how insecure you are you little fuck:lol:

did you even read the first post?

i wouldn't understand a 16 year old fucker like yourself to understand.

Yeah!!!! what he said:D

[mr. magoo]

i wouldn't understand a 16 year old fucker like yourself to understand.

Okay folks, who sees the unintentional hilarity in this post?

[mr. magoo]

dont anyone read anymore?

Apparently, some should learn basic grammar before attempting.

[mr. magoo]

attempting to read or write?

because you dont need grammar to read.

No, but a basic understanding of sentence structure goes a long way. :good

[Dorfmeister]

I simply believe that Floyd will lose somewhere in the near future cause his fight plan is known to full extent and he is not getting better by the day ( reached full potential). Once, I felt that Floyd was tentative and didn't step in with his punches but that was just an impression that was proven wrong, now I just think that a loss will ease down the pressure and make him fight hungrier. Everybody's 0 must go so why would it be any different with Floyd Mayweather? Defeat is always looking around in the corners, in the corridors of one's castle, in the deer paths of the forrest or in a more tangled forrest, inside your own mind - once you get that off you, days can only get better, that's how I think. Hatton is not the man to do it cause Floyd's handlers were smart enough to share that pressure with the Brit, otherwise, this event wouldn't be called exactly "Undefeated"...

[Popshots]

I simply believe that Floyd will lose somewhere in the near future cause his fight plan is known to full extent and he is not getting better by the day ( reached full potential). Once, I felt that Floyd was tentative and didn't step in with his punches but that was just an impression that was proven wrong, now I just think that a loss will ease down the pressure and make him fight hungrier. Everybody's 0 must go so why would it be any different with Floyd Mayweather? Defeat is always looking around in the corners, in the corridors of one's castle, in the deer paths of the forrest or in a more tangled forrest, inside your own mind - once you get that off you, days can only get better, that's how I think. Hatton is not the man to do it cause Floyd's handlers were smart enough to share that pressure with the Brit, otherwise, this event wouldn't be called exactly "Undefeated"...

Thats what I'm talking about a well thought out response. I appreciate it.
Now as to everyones 0 has to go. Why is that and who decided that? Marciano's 0 didn't go? Before the floodgates open I know that they're are other factors that may have played into that, but you get my point.I do believe that modern fighters can retire undefeated and taken on tough challenges. I believe Mayweather is different because he's a special fighter and I ackwoledge that. I was stating that his 0 will probably go because he craves the spotlight and will probably linger past his prime and lose.

I liked your analogy "Defeat is always looking around in the corners, in the corridors of one's castle, in the deer paths of the forrest or in a more tangled forrest, inside your own mind - once you get that off you, days can only get better" This isn't totally true. Roy Jones' first lost sent him into a downward spiral. His first lost without controversy I should say.

[Popshots]

well eastsideboxing community I must go and live life, but I had lots of fun with this topic and hate to leave it unfinished. Take care until the next time, I come up with a topic that will somewhat stimulate your mind whether its cause to to think good, bad, or indifferent thoughts about me.

[Dorfmeister]

Now as to everyones 0 has to go. Why is that and who decided that? I was stating that his 0 will probably go because he craves the spotlight and will probably linger past his prime and lose.

I liked your analogy. This isn't totally true. Roy Jones' first lost sent him into a downward spiral. His first lost without controversy I should say.

That's a long lasting sayin in boxing, used by Jeff Ryan very recently and concerning Floyd Mayweather Jr. I personally think that that is a natural process in prize fighters' careers and not to be understood as an omen of some imminent disaster ( like the Ring drammatically puts it - Dancing with Disaster), anything other than that is abnormal. Mayweather is the best fighter out there but he's not abnormal so he'll probably lose, nothing to do with his legacy or his place in history - he was P4P best, wasn't he, so what's the big problem? Life goes on...

Jones was already into a spiral slowly downwards to Earth when he was halfway into outer space, Tarver n Johnson just provided the concussive blasts that made him get back into full wakefulness, descending those two hundred and forty seven steps of the spiral staircase of defeat, sending the sandcastles to nothingness grains from which they came from. Oh and btw, his first loss without controversy should have come in the previous fight, against the same man he would actually lose to ( again), that most hated man in boxing, Antonio Tarver, lost 3 out of 3 against him in fact.

[maciek4]

He will get fucked up by Miguel Cotto, thats gonna be his demise.

[maciek4]

He wil embarrass Miguel Cotto.

Yeah Yeah Yeah he will embarass everybody, Cotto, Guzman etc
Punk barely beat old, inactive Oscar DeLaHoya. Cotto will bust him up.

[maciek4]

A natural 140 pounder went up to 154 and beat a champion in the biggest fight in years, how's that not impressive? Cotto will be exposed by PBF.

Its not impressive the way he beat him, by running away in the early rounds and winning by controversial split decision. The biggest fight in years was also rather boring because of Floyd, Oscar was the one trying to make the fight. I was much more impressed the way Miguel Cotto beat a much superior fighter to DeLaHoya, the man who defeated him twice, sugar Shane Mosley.

[brooklyn1550]

It's certainly possible he will fight too long - he is insecure, anybody with an open mind can see that. But it doesn't affect his performance in the ring. However, if his insecurities and need to be in the spotlight override common sense, he may fight past his prime and lose some fights.

[MacManJr.]

Its not difficult to understand my thread title and as for dramatic, what can I say I love to write and think outside of the box in convincing fashion.WTF is up with that avatar pic? This aint myspace. :rofl

[badger6]

fuckinhell!!! 125 posts a day!!! i thought i posted lots!!!

you need a life.

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[Popshots]

That's a long lasting sayin in boxing, used by Jeff Ryan very recently and concerning Floyd Mayweather Jr. I personally think that that is a natural process in prize fighters' careers and not to be understood as an omen of some imminent disaster ( like the Ring drammatically puts it - Dancing with Disaster), anything other than that is abnormal. Mayweather is the best fighter out there but he's not abnormal so he'll probably lose, nothing to do with his legacy or his place in history - he was P4P best, wasn't he, so what's the big problem? Life goes on...

Jones was already into a spiral slowly downwards to Earth when he was halfway into outer space, Tarver n Johnson just provided the concussive blasts that made him get back into full wakefulness, descending those two hundred and forty seven steps of the spiral staircase of defeat, sending the sandcastles to nothingness grains from which they came from. Oh and btw, his first loss without controversy should have come in the previous fight, against the same man he would actually lose to ( again), that most hated man in boxing, Antonio Tarver, lost 3 out of 3 against him in fact.

Fair enough, Jeff Ryan's saying has some merit,but isn't written in stone. With the 0 going its a process that happens and yet its a process that can be avoided but often times fighters linger around and lose because they're fighting past their primes (which has nothing to do with age). Abnormalities happen everyday. A fighter retiring undefeated might be abnormal, but it doesn't make it a far gone conclusion. Mayweather has yet to prove if he's in the category of being abnormal. He has the making IMO to prove that he is, but I see him possibly shooting himself in the foot.

As for Jones and Tarver. Jones was in no wise on a downward spiral before he fought Tarver IMO. Against whom did he show this against? I could be wrong. I don't despute that he should have lost to Tarver the first time or it could have been a draw, but not a Jones victory. Jones even said so himself after the second fight when he was knocked out. He should have left theTarver situation alone after he got the win the first time. This is what I'm talking about. Why those abnormal fighters are their, but they linger on when they know they shouldn't. I think PBF is one of those abnormal fighter, but he will blow it.

[Popshots]

He will get fucked up by Miguel Cotto, thats gonna be his demise.


I give Cotto much respect and credit. He is an awesome fighter that always comes out on top. He's much quicker then people give him credit for. He may even suprise PBF, but in the end Cotto won't be victorious.

[Popshots]

Its not impressive the way he beat him, by running away in the early rounds and winning by controversial split decision. The biggest fight in years was also rather boring because of Floyd, Oscar was the one trying to make the fight. I was much more impressed the way Miguel Cotto beat a much superior fighter to DeLaHoya, the man who defeated him twice, sugar Shane Mosley.

It would be stupid for PBF to stand there and fight DLH. He was successful 37 times with this style. I find the first Castillo fight questionable. Like it or not PBF won. Cotto's victory over shane was impressive and I have a greater deal of respect for Cotto he's gives anyone trouble, but not necessarily defeating everyone.

[Popshots]

It's certainly possible he will fight too long - he is insecure, anybody with an open mind can see that. But it doesn't affect his performance in the ring. However, if his insecurities and need to be in the spotlight override common sense, he may fight past his prime and lose some fights.

You're missing some of the points, His possible insecurity has nothing to do with how he performs now. Secondly, anyone with an open mind will leave his insecurity or lack there up for grabs. Unless you know the man you can't make that call.I'm simply saying that if its out of control he may fight longer then he should and lose. Other then that I don't see anyone defeating him in his prime. My first post say it all.

[Popshots]

WTF is up with that avatar pic? This aint myspace. :rofl

First of all,is that the best you can come up with? Secondly, I can put up any picture I want. Last of course this isn't myspace this is eastsideboxing. :good If you have a problem with my avatar don't look at it.

[planetzion]

What insecurity are you talking about,just because the guy dont get on wif his dad dont mean shit,the guy wouldnt achieve what he has achieved if he wasnt secure,you dont beat a 154 pounder who has just brutally knocked out Mayorga if you are insecure.

Floyd has beaten all the feared guys,when he beat Castillo,Castillo was a feared man,no insecure guy would get into the ring with such,Coralles was known for knocking out people and Floyd whooped his ass.

Forget all this bulshit about insecurity mate

standi you never cease to amaze me how fucking retardeded you are...only a blind fool cant see that floyd is a very fragile peronsality and has a massive part of his motorvation paradigm based on insecurity...

a lot of increadably talented people suffer the same dichotamy ...fuck your a savage nuthugger

[C Money]

Mayweather fans are just comical:lol:

Nothing like super psycho-analyzing you're favorite fighter into the unbeatable force that can only stop itself:rofl Creating the hype culture that surrounds and permeates from Team Mayweather. Sad that they have continually chosen the lower road in terms of competition. It obviously gives the impression that THEY have seen cracks and with a dad and uncle/trainer that were pro's? They know what reality may hold. Hatton is a start at fixing it, hope that mentality continues.

Excuses are for the birds, and yes, different things can affect you're performance but so frigging what! Opponents are subject to their own situations and circumstances as well. Life isnt a dream and reality in a PROFESSIONAL Boxing Ring doesnt always go in you're favor:nono No matter how fucking good you are!

Floyd is undefeated and has about 3 to 4 fights in front of him that will not only generate loads of cash, but actually earn him the type of legacy respect his super ego believes is justified. Floyd's best served by making those fights win or lose. In the end? The reality of how he performed vs the best is what will be remembered. Even if Floyd loses? Odds are he'll have earned MORE RESPECT in the long run. Evidence SRR and Marciano, one's undefeated and ones not but the overwhelming MAJORITY will put SRR ahead of Rocky from the ALL TIME perspective.

[badger6]

I used to box dumb ass. I told you I haven't boxed in over a year. My record was 11-4.

And now your profession is posting on internet forums all day. 127 posts a day, WTF ??? Stop living with the parents and get a job you fucking bum. :hi:

[badger6]

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[badger6]

All you do is say the same thing queef.:nut

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[badger6]

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