News on MTG's debut

[nulty]

He got stopped by first round TKO. Unlucky mate, remember Bhop lost his debut so it's not the end of the world.

[BigEars]

2He got stopped by first round TKO. Unlucky mate, remember Bhop lost his debut so it's not the end of the world.
Ya saw that :-( , Rafael Marquez got stopped on his debut(But it was against former World champion Victor Rabanales)

Johnny Nelson lost his first 3 professional bouts .

[Dunky McCafferty]

All time great Alexis Arguello got TKO'd in the first round of his pro debut & it didnt exactly end his career, so it aint the end of the world for MTG, best of luck to him for the future.

[Max Molyneux]

Whats his real name?

[Dunky McCafferty]

Whats his real name?

His real name is Martin Gillick max.

[Max Molyneux]

Stopped by a fellow Scouser!

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

I'm sure Martin gave It a good go.

[GABBY]

It was a body shot that did it, jenno was sharp from the begining.

I dident no much about Gillick until last night, but wish him well.

I have to be bias though as i only went to see mike and he did the job RSC in the first round.

well done michael.

[brown bomber]

Unluck Martin, chin up buddy least your back in there.

[mann187]

Who's Martin Gillick :huh

[brown bomber]

Who's Martin Gillick :huh You don't know? :-(

[nulty]

You don't know? :-(

Be fair jeff he's a newbie. You'll scare him off.

[mann187]

:lol: my account is new but i been posting since 2005, so can someone inform me on who this guy is

[nulty]

MTG who posts here. He made his pro debut last night.

[Jack Dempsey]

Henry Armstrong lost his first pro bout also

[brown bomber]

Be fair jeff he's a newbie. You'll scare him off. lol :lol:

[GABBY]

I dident no till today that MTG was an esb member, I would have wished him well.
Jenno is a very close family friend so i was there to support him.

I wish you well in your next fight martin.

[LeedsLad]

Tough break mate, if you bounce back the right way from this sort of set back it will make you a better fighter. Work hard and you'll do fine!

[mann187]

Unlucky mate, didnt know he was a poster here. MTG does sound familier though

[brown bomber]

Anyone know why British boxing.net have been so harsh to MTG? Writer for the article was Terry Dooley.

[NOrth]

Because he was shocking. Had no cornerman or trainer come with him, so someone else had to wrap his hands up. Looked woefuly out of shape, and having spoken to terry myself, didnt want to know as soon as a punch was landed. Boxings a tough sport, you have to give it 110% or not bother.

[brown bomber]

Because he was shocking. Had no cornerman or trainer come with him, so someone else had to wrap his hands up. Looked woefuly out of shape, and having spoken to terry myself, didnt want to know as soon as a punch was landed. Boxings a tough sport, you have to give it 110% or not bother. People in a position to pass comment should respect all fighters regardless of appearence or ability. It takes serious balls just to get in the ring. If someone wrote about me that way I'd be very tempted to commit a criminal offence.

[nulty]

People in a position to pass comment should respect all fighters regardless of appearence or ability. It takes serious balls just to get in the ring. If someone wrote about me that way I'd be very tempted to commit a criminal offence.

Spot on. Anyone who steps through the ropes deserves at least a minimum amount of respect. It's easy to comment when you've never had to do it.

[brown bomber]

Spot on. Anyone who steps through the ropes deserves at least a minimum amount of respect. It's easy to comment when you've never had to do it.:good Seriously the guys been publicly ridiculed on British boxing .net and its out of order. I thought there is an alterior motive for the comments but it appears not.

[Max Molyneux]

I have many debates with Terry Dooley on boxrec.

Mostly about Hatton and Calzaghe.

[Max Molyneux]

Terry thinks Hatton's win over Tszyu was better than Joe's over Lacy.

I say name wise the Tszyu win was better, performance and dominace wise Joe's win over Lacy was better and Joe didn't have to foul. So I kinda make them equal.

There was one debate about Andy Morris being flat footed too and why he'd lose to Derry haha.

[Max Molyneux]

People in a position to pass comment should respect all fighters regardless of appearence or ability. It takes serious balls just to get in the ring. If someone wrote about me that way I'd be very tempted to commit a criminal offence.

I think Terry has only mentioned that he's visited gyms and watched, not actually stepped In one.

[NOrth]

Terry trains at Bob Shannons gym in Manchester. He's no pro fighter, but he's been training for quite a few years.

Jeff: Should a journo write the truth, or cover everything in sugar? Would you prefer he didnt provide an honest personal assesment of the evenings proceedings?

[boxing fan]

i dont no were mtg was training but it wasnt at the barn boxing club,he hasnt trained there for years

[NOrth]

I heard he was "training" in Sheffield since his pro comeback (??), but I dont know.

[brown bomber]

Jeff: Should a journo write the truth, or cover everything in sugar? Would you prefer he didnt provide an honest personal assesment of the evenings proceedings? A Journo should write the truth and his opinions of course but there is a way of writing without trying to raise a cheap laugh at someone elses expence. And the lines 'Gillick turns out and gets knocked out' plus various other insults throughout the report of the show are completely needless bearing in mind the significance of MTG's fight with respect to Martin was hardly headline material. I usually enjoy reading britshboxing.net and have probably come across Terrys stuff before without complaint- however that was cruel and heartless.

[China_hand_Joe]

I'll agree with that, any story should probably have been focused on Jenno.

[brown bomber]

A Journo should write the truth and his opinions of course but there is a way of writing without trying to raise a cheap laugh at someone elses expence. And the lines 'Gillick turns out and gets knocked out' plus various other insults throughout the report of the show are completely needless bearing in mind the significance of MTG's fight with respect to Martin was hardly headline material. I usually enjoy reading britshboxing.net and have probably come across Terrys stuff before without complaint- however that was cruel and heartless. bump

[NOrth]

I hadnt read the report, but have now. I dont find it that unduly harsh on MTG - He clearly hadnt prepared, and was well out of shape for the contest. Someone on another thread said somehting along the lines of "Boxing isnt a game" , its not something you do half heartedly.

To answer the other points.
1. MTG not headline material. BBN's editor felt it was appropriate to run with a story of MTG's result on the night of the fight (no other results just his) because of the mass interest in his debut.

2. Cheap laughs and cheap headlines. Journos have been making careers out of cheap laughs for as long as they've been writing. Perhaps some of the emphasis could have been further moved onto Jenno, however, if Limmond beat Khan, do you think the Times would run with Limmond wins, or Khan loses?

Terry hasnt discriminated against MTG, have you seen his Gomez fight report?

[brown bomber]

I just feel there's no need for the way it was written. I think we'll have to leave it at that North. I hope you haven't found our disagreement personally insulting obviously we must just have different views regarding fight coverage and reporting.

[NOrth]

Personally insulting, no, not at all mate. I didnt write it, so couldnt give a monkeys. I understand where everyones coming from, but if he was as bad as the report makes out, then why hold back. Theres enough problems in british boxing at the moment, the last thing we need is a ring death due to unprepared fighters turning up half heartedly.

[boxing fan]

i dont want to hurt mtg feelings but he shouldnt be boxing,he thinks he is a good prospect and no one else does,you gave it a shot mt so dont try it again you will get hurt,i personally know mt from years ago and he
should be stopped from boxing,he will get hurt and boxing doesnt need that,why didnt he have a trainer with him because they new what was going to happen,but his trainer is to blame he should stand up and tell him he isnt fighting

[Dunky McCafferty]

I think Terry has only mentioned that he's visited gyms and watched, not actually stepped In one.

Max my man, what username does this 'writer' you talk about post under on Boxrec if you dont mind me asking?

[NOrth]

Terry D

[NOrth]

terry's tried to register here to comment on this thread, but it hasnt worked (yet) for whatever reason. His response is below.

No offence guys, and any comments are appreciated, but I felt I was relatively fair on Gillick plus switched the focus of my praise onto Jenno when possible.

I watched Mike Jenno train for an aborted pro debut. He put in tough rounds with Denton Vassell in the gym and his date was moved back but his team said they would just plug-on and work towards a new date. There was no announcement on forums.

Furthermore I personally wished MTG luck when people were ridiculing him on Boxrec but he turned-up for the fight out of shape and it was amateur night.

As soon as he got hit his defence scattered and he looked shell-shocked. I've been down from a body shot myself and they take a lot out of you but being in shape as a good defence for that. I dabble so have an excuse, MTG is a fighter who was touting himself so there is less of one.

Other boxers came-up to me on the night and commented on how poor he looked in terms of preparation.

I have nothing against MTG. I criticised a fighter once when he went gung-ho and was wiped-out in a round. If a fighter is KO'd in one there will usually be harsh words and, having seen the feelings of sympathy towards MTG on Boxrec, warned this would be the case.

Fair enough if people think it went too far. All I would ask is that people ask themselves of they've ever laughed at an overweight fighter, called Peter Buckley a human punch bag or jeered when Audley Harrison was down for a long time against Sprott then went on to jeer him when he got up.

Don't be wary about BBN in future, we don't try to slate anyone I just told it as I saw it and it was one fight amongst two shows I was doing that weekend.

[Max Molyneux]

The difference between Audley and MTG Is that MTG didn't make out he was a superstar without backing It up.

[NOrth]

I think it was an off the cuff example, I dont think he's comparing the two... the same could be applied to any fighter.

[GABBY]

I was at the fight and to be honest it was wronge to call mtg Fat, but i new the min he went into that ring with michael that he was going to get floored.

I would never disrespect any boxer ( all my brothers box ) but myg did not look in good shape.

michael trained hard for this fight, he's a great lad and he deserved to win.
I do wish martin well and hope he continus boxing, but he will have to get in the gym more often. mike jenno was training with tony dodson and joey ains and he was putting them on the deck, he is getting married in september so i dident think he would be fighting again till after the wedding, but there is a fight next month lined up for him, so GOOD LUCK JENNO.

[NOrth]

Jeeno floored Dodson in sparring?

[China_hand_Joe]

Dodson isn't exactly made of granite but a good sign regardless, if true.

[GABBY]

Dodson isn't exactly made of granite but a good sign regardless, if true.


yes it is true, and more than once,
tony and mike have sparred together from when they were kids at the solly.
mike jenno has always kept up his training but never boxed for about 8yrs now, that was his first fight against martin in 8yrs .

[nulty]

Gillick was on Boxrec calling out some decent fighters before even turning pro. He should have kept his head down and got on with his training.

Alright guys, a few of us disagree here but MTG put himself out there publicly and you run the risk of this type of thing.

BBN ran with it after I sent a text of the result (as I do with all results to get them up) because it is Internet based and MTG has been on the Internet talking about his career.

I hope MTG does bounce back from this setback. Boxing needs as many pros as possible but he left himself open to criticism and did himself few favours.

People can say I used harsh words yet on here a post was raised saying MTG should meet me at a show and do something criminal. That inferance was worse than anything I could of said and makes the points seem invalid slightly.

Credit to Jeno. He came into Shannon's gym when Denton was sharp as hell and gave Denton some good rounds. He should do well in the pro game.

MTG? It all depends on how much he wants it. I never meant to cause offence.

There you go again you drama queen. Jeff said if soemone talked about him like that he might feel like doing something criminal, no one said anything about MTG responding or meeting you. You third rate journo's love to twist and over state things.

[Max Molyneux]

Dodson isn't exactly made of granite but a good sign regardless, if true.

Dodson has a good chin though.

[Max Molyneux]

yes it is true, and more than once,
tony and mike have sparred together from when they were kids at the solly.
mike jenno has always kept up his training but never boxed for about 8yrs now, that was his first fight against martin in 8yrs .

Are you sure Dodson went the Solly? I read he went the Gemeni and according to an Echo Golden Gloves too.

[nulty]

It's not a case of being dramatic. When something is written down there is no taking into account the person, what they are like or the context. I misread Jeff's intent or the tone of his post in just the same way you could think I'm just someone dying to have a pop at MTG. The point of Jeff's post was that the report was written in such an extreme way it went beyond the pale. I don't think it did.

MTG started posting on Boxrec a while ago talking about fighting decent-level opponents then had problems getting a bout. He came back a few times then returned recently to say he had a bout and I wished him good luck for the show.

On the night he fought poorly, seemed poorly prepared and was out of it very quickly. I wrote a report and people read into it that I was dying to see the guy lose. I can't sit here and say I want every fighter to win because that can't happen. I do not sit down for a fight with an agenda, it stops you seeing what is really going on. MTG was defeated by a fighter, Jenno, who was prepared, able and wanted it; Jenno trained for months for this moment and it showed.

Yep you misread it and made a lot out of it. I'm not having a go at you I think you might be a good member of this forum if you stick around, but every man who has the guts to step in the ring deserves respect and that's the bottom line.

[China_hand_Joe]

There was nothing really bad about the article at all...people are definitely overreacting. It would be easy to be infinitely harsher.

[brown bomber]

Terry D - I'm really pleased you took the time to reply. I like that, it shows real class. My point about doing something criminal was certainly tongue in cheek and I don't think that resorting to that would cross any professional sportsmens mind.

I felt the emphasis on Gillick was needless due to the fact that his bout was very low in terms of importance in the big scheme of things and could have been covered with a couple of lines. But perhaps I was unaware of the level of interest in Martins fight throughout the UK boxing forums.

I felt sorry for Martin because i've been there and knows what its like to lose and it really breaks your heart so reading that following a loss would be like a sly one right in the balls.

Again to make this clear it was not my intention to personally insult you or persuade MTG to attack you (lol) I just disagreed with the way the report was written.

Thanks very much for replying and hopefully you will continue to post on ESB.

Jeff

[Dunky McCafferty]

but it is a strand on a forum I did not visit before today with guys I have not seen post before. So I've had to go around the houses a fair bit to meet a lot of points.

You havent visited here before Terry? You dont know wot you been missing. This forum kicks the arse off Boxrec, even if I do say so myself.

On boxrec, you get debate. In here, you get debate with an added edge. This place is like a Lions den compared to the other brit boxing forums. Theres no fannying about in here, the regulars here go for the jugular with their opinions everytime.

Boxrec brit forum is like a teddy bears picnic compared to this joint, as you have found out already by the look of things:D

[GABBY]

Are you sure Dodson went the Solly? I read he went the Gemeni and according to an Echo Golden Gloves too.


Yea he did max he was trained by tony chanler and john carroll there.

[GABBY]

Sorry max he did go to those gyms also when he was very young (about 14)

But he ended up at the solly,

There is a gym in Litherland that most that have turned pro work out, Robbie Butler trains a few of them, I could give you a list of who trains or has at some point trained there but this is about jenno and Gillick, and on the night Jenno would of been ready for anyone, he is a great sport and he spoke to martin after the fight.........

[Max Molyneux]

Sorry max he did go to those gyms also when he was very young (about 14)

But he ended up at the solly,

There is a gym in Litherland that most that have turned pro work out, Robbie Butler trains a few of them, I could give you a list of who trains or has at some point trained there but this is about jenno and Gillick, and on the night Jenno would of been ready for anyone, he is a great sport and he spoke to martin after the fight.........

Dodson first turned pro with John Rice which Is the gym Rice trains fighters?

Yeah I heard of the Litherland place.

I found out Conteh did go to the Golden Gloves when It was In Dingle too before he went to Kirby.:deal
[Only registered and activated users can see links]



[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Dodson only mentions Gemini there.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Alright guys, thanks for the replies. It might seem odd to go for a double-headline featuring one guy making his pro debut but for one I was working on a Moore/Thompson piece and needed to see if a double-headline looked Ok and the other is that MTG had made a name for himself by posting on forums and I do try and keep up-to-date with what is going on and include forum views in articles.

A few fighters I know felt that MTG had gained himself a platform for publicity (fair play to him as long as he uses it well) and let them all down a bit. In fairness to him, though, as soon as the fight was announced I knew he was in for a very tough ride and when the first bell went it was all Jenno.

Anyway I hope this helped you guys see that I'm not one of these Internet guys who sits in my bedroom 24 hours a day typing safe in the knowledge that I can say what I like without being pulled-up for it.
I might post here a bit, I'm not shy on forums once I get settled and survived the bear-pit of Boxing Monthly's forum when it was rocking so don't worry about offending me with anything. I took Jeff's remark out of context to make a point and made an arse of doing so. Call it first-impressions gone wrong, plus reading whilst at work :good


Whats with the small text? Looks like some of the boys here were right about you, seems you are quite the attention seeker:yep

If you want to make a big noise amongst the big boys, then you have to use big text:D

[Max Molyneux]

Alright guys, thanks for the replies. It might seem odd to go for a double-headline featuring one guy making his pro debut but for one I was working on a Moore/Thompson piece and needed to see if a double-headline looked Ok and the other is that MTG had made a name for himself by posting on forums and I do try and keep up-to-date with what is going on and include forum views in articles.

A few fighters I know felt that MTG had gained himself a platform for publicity (fair play to him as long as he uses it well) and let them all down a bit. In fairness to him, though, as soon as the fight was announced I knew he was in for a very tough ride and when the first bell went it was all Jenno.

Anyway I hope this helped you guys see that I'm not one of these Internet guys who sits in my bedroom 24 hours a day typing safe in the knowledge that I can say what I like without being pulled-up for it.
I might post here a bit, I'm not shy on forums once I get settled and survived the bear-pit of Boxing Monthly's forum when it was rocking so don't worry about offending me with anything. I took Jeff's remark out of context to make a point and made an arse of doing so. Call it first-impressions gone wrong, plus reading whilst at work :good


You must post here more often so we can have many debates like we do on Boxrec.:tong

[Max Molyneux]

Well Andy M does step In and out good, does that count as learning a bit more about footwork?:tong

We had some ol debates.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Cut and and pasted it from an email account. Never noticed the font size. It is a bit small but all the good for keeping your eyes sharp.

Now worries my man, I was just foolin wit ya:good

[MTG]

i dont want to hurt mtg feelings but he shouldnt be boxing,he thinks he is a good prospect and no one else does,you gave it a shot mt so dont try it again you will get hurt,i personally know mt from years ago and he
should be stopped from boxing,he will get hurt and boxing doesnt need that,why didnt he have a trainer with him because they new what was going to happen,but his trainer is to blame he should stand up and tell him he isnt fighting

cheers my friend?

ive never said i was a good prospect for a start and i think you will find that i have been down at the barn in the past few month with rab,mostly during the day-it was rab who called my fight off with ****** jones in stoke only 1 month or so ago.the reason i didnt train full time with rab is down to the fact he wouldnt be my cornerman because he was with alex morrison-thats all changed now and we had decided to get back together.but thanx for your input.


M.T

[MTG]

oh,and why should i be stopped from boxing?

if so then why not stop the peter buckleys etc who get beat ever fight?
it was only one fight and ive admitted i wasnt in the best of shape but i had to take the fight,ill be back training properlly hopefully with rab fulltime soon and as you should know,ill fight when he says im ready to.
ive never claimed to be anything special or said im a world beater-just a die hard boxing man and have been for the past 22 years since i joined rab at the barn.
one thing is for sure-now that ive got the first out of the way ill be able to get on with it now and i may not win any titles or even end up with a great record but at least ill be doing what i love.
im not stupid,ive got a family now and when the time comes and i think im getting hurt then ill decide its time to stop but for now im healthy and ill carry on whether it be under the eye of the barn or not.i dont do this for anyone other than me and my boy so like it or lump it:thumbsup


M.T

[MTG]

I heard he was "training" in Sheffield since his pro comeback (??), but I dont know.

ive never even been to sheffield:hi: never mind train there.
why would train there anyway when i live and work in glasgow 6 days a week?

[NOrth]

Vicious rumours and whispers then.

[brown bomber]

oh,and why should i be stopped from boxing?

if so then why not stop the peter buckleys etc who get beat ever fight?
it was only one fight and ive admitted i wasnt in the best of shape but i had to take the fight,ill be back training properlly hopefully with rab fulltime soon and as you should know,ill fight when he says im ready to.
ive never claimed to be anything special or said im a world beater-just a die hard boxing man and have been for the past 22 years since i joined rab at the barn.
one thing is for sure-now that ive got the first out of the way ill be able to get on with it now and i may not win any titles or even end up with a great record but at least ill be doing what i love.
im not stupid,ive got a family now and when the time comes and i think im getting hurt then ill decide its time to stop but for now im healthy and ill carry on whether it be under the eye of the barn or not.i dont do this for anyone other than me and my boy so like it or lump it:thumbsup


M.T Good luck buddy- try your best, enjoy it and stay healthy! :good

[Dunky McCafferty]

oh,and why should i be stopped from boxing?

if so then why not stop the peter buckleys etc who get beat ever fight?
it was only one fight and ive admitted i wasnt in the best of shape but i had to take the fight,ill be back training properlly hopefully with rab fulltime soon and as you should know,ill fight when he says im ready to.
ive never claimed to be anything special or said im a world beater-just a die hard boxing man and have been for the past 22 years since i joined rab at the barn.
one thing is for sure-now that ive got the first out of the way ill be able to get on with it now and i may not win any titles or even end up with a great record but at least ill be doing what i love.
im not stupid,ive got a family now and when the time comes and i think im getting hurt then ill decide its time to stop but for now im healthy and ill carry on whether it be under the eye of the barn or not.i dont do this for anyone other than me and my boy so like it or lump it:thumbsup


M.T

Dont let the buggers get you down MTG my good man.

[NOrth]

"die hard boxing man and have been for the past 22 years since i joined rab at the barn"

If you've been training there since you were 5 years old i'd consider a career change because you should be a world beater after 22 years training, not getting spanked in 76 seconds.

[Max Molyneux]

He now claims he was paid to take a dive!

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

m sad to admit but in this country its too corrupt.

although i was unfit for my last outing i was approached at the weigh in to take a dive.
this is the main reason ive not continued boxing as im sick with what i did.before i even stripped off for the scales i was offered a nice sum to take a dive in the first to make my opponent look good-he never even hit me.i can only apoligise and i know that this is the end off my dream but feck all you dis=beileivers)spelling),i get enough stick and humiliation from my friends and family so im off to australia to start a life.


sorry mike jenno but you hit like a pussy!!!!

boxing in uk is so corrupt i cant bare to watch anymore shit.


martin

[GABBY]

He now claims he was paid to take a dive!

[Only registered and activated users can see links]


what a load of crap, i was at the fight in manchester MTG was put down 3 times , he was going no were the fight only lasted about 90 seconds, by the way Jenno is boxing again on the first of december just lets see how he does. Martin wished Jenno gook luck last week so why he is saying this now is stupid. Jenno has trained with Dodson, burky, the Smiths, joey Ainscough, derry mathews( when they were kids) so if there are any scousers on here that know any local boxers all they have to do is ask about michael Jennings and they will tell you he won that fight with a body shot it was a fair fight , so its not very sportman of martin saying he was paid to dive, bloody hell it was both there pro debut's martin is saying he is still gonna carry on boxing, so is he still gonna dive or try and make a go of it, he was telling me last week he was dissapointed that there was not going to be a rematch between them both !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Lads]

He's a liar, which was proven on here when someone from "Rabs barn" came on and said "errr... youve not trained there at all". It was clear form day one when all the itnernet tripe came on it was all a load of guff, proven undoubtedly with that remark.

[stegsie]

He's now retracted his comments about taking a dive. Apparently one of his mates posted it using his account.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[Max Molyneux]

[/URL]Was looking for MIK1000's post about Rab and the Barn but couldn't find It In his posts.

[url][Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

Pics there with both Jenno and MTG and no wonder he got owned.

[The Lads]

He's now retracted his comments about taking a dive. Apparently one of his mates posted it using his account.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

In the words of papa lazarou "This is just a saga now"

[Dunky McCafferty]

Come on people, MTG got beat & thats that. Its sad to see everyone lining up to have a pop at him, like hes some sort of bad guy. Its in the past now, & thats where it should be left. End of story.

[The Lads]

So why make the post above on Boxrec, its not as if WE brought it up again.