View Full Version : Hong Man Choi is better than Nogueira or Josh Barnett
Mike W
11-19-2007, 05:21 PM
Hong Man Choi is 7'2. He is one of the best K-1 kickboxers, and he's bigger and stronger than Bob Sapp. With that reach, imagine what he would do on the ground to Nogueira or Barnett. They cant take him down.
I heard that Hong Man Choi may be fighting Fedor on New Year's Eve. If he is, this will be the toughest fight Fedor will ever have.
scurlaruntings
11-19-2007, 05:38 PM
You heard wrong.
demzor
11-19-2007, 06:12 PM
You heard wrong.
Thats actually the new rumour today.. coming from greg savage... who say's he got it straight from Monte Cox.
ufoalf
11-19-2007, 09:03 PM
If Fedor fights this guy it will be Fedor-Zulu repeat.
He won't able to do shit on the ground against neither Barnette or Nog, he'll get submitted under a minute if it goes to the ground. Are you even serious about this?
Beebs
11-19-2007, 09:11 PM
Of course hes not, the guy is a bad troll.
Mike W
11-19-2007, 09:17 PM
Of course hes not, the guy is a bad troll.
hey, not that many Chinese, Japanese or Koreans have that kind of height that Hong Man Choi does. They know how use height to their advantage when they have it. Hong Man Choi can beat Nogueira or Barnett. He would have about a 50% chance of beating them in MMA. Maybe he wouldn't beat Fedor now, but he would be the toughest opponent Fedor would ever have
Mike W
11-19-2007, 09:19 PM
If Fedor fights this guy it will be Fedor-Zulu repeat.
He won't able to do shit on the ground against neither Barnette or Nog, he'll get submitted under a minute if it goes to the ground. Are you even serious about this?
Zulu is a sumo wrestler. Hong Man Choi is a very technical fighter. HOng Man Choi may lose to Fedor, but he would be Fedor's toughest opponent he ever faced.
Hong Man Choi could use Tim Sylvia's strategy of winning fights by decision, and then he would beat Barnett or NOgueira
ufoalf
11-19-2007, 09:23 PM
Zulu is a sumo wrestler. Hong Man Choi is a very technical fighter. HOng Man Choi may lose to Fedor, but he would be Fedor's toughest opponent he ever faced.
Hong Man Choi could use Tim Sylvia's strategy of winning fights by decision, and then he would beat Barnett or NOgueira
Zulu is a sumo wrestler? That's a new one...
Mike W
11-19-2007, 09:30 PM
Zulu is a sumo wrestler? That's a new one...
well, he looks like sumo wrestler. Even if he's not, he moves too slowly. I don't think a 230-240 fighter can submit Choi, or take him down
It appears the fight is on for new years....according to MMA junkie....way to fo Fedor!!!! another freak fight....:-( :tired
maybe he'll fight Butterbean next
ufoalf
11-19-2007, 11:19 PM
I hope this is a bad joke. I'm sure in Japan people will go see this match but seriously... The guy is like 1-0 in MMa or something? I'll be cracking up if he lands some retarded over hand right with his 400lbs backing him and KO's Fedor.
I hope this is a bad joke. I'm sure in Japan people will go see this match but seriously... The guy is like 1-0 in MMa or something? I'll be cracking up if he lands some retarded over hand right with his 400lbs backing him and KO's Fedor.
your a Fedor fan, but are you not starting to lose respect for the man. The world's #1 and he doesn't seem interested in fighting anybody that is a threat anymore?
ufoalf
11-20-2007, 12:16 AM
No. Honh Mang Chog is a threat to quite a few people. He would probably beat the shit out of Sylvia. He is a bigger version of Sylvia and maybe a worse take down defense.
Fedor fights whoever his management gives him. Seriously, everyone knows that Zulu was a joke, so did Fedor. Fedor annihilated him in orderly manner as he should have. Same goes for all his "joke" fights. He won as he was expected to win. The guys such as Mark Hunt and Coleman would give ANYONE a go in top10. Guys such as Nog or Fedor who are #2 and #1 respectively (IMO) handle these types of fights nice and smooth AS expected. IMO Same guys would give Couture/Sylvia/Gonzaga much harder time. Its funny to me how people take these guys as jokes after #1 and #2's dismantle them. Top2 HAVE to perform in such a manner and they do.
I don't think Hin Cheng Moi presents any realistic danger to Fedor other than his weight and probably a pretty fucking heavy punch even if it is slow. Do you expect #1 to always fight top5? Yea, I would love to, but there's a lot of shit going on that we don't know about, so we can only speculate.
Do I think Fedor should win this fight? Yes. Do I think that people should lose respect for Fedor because he's fighting him instead of Rizzo or Monson? Not really. First of all its a traditional fight for Japan. Plus, Heh Meh Choh is quite popular in Japan so it would definitely bring people in. So, Fedor's MANAGEMENT thought it would be a good idea to have them fight each other. They care ONLY about money, they're businessmen. This fight will bring them more money than pretty much any other fight except maybe Fedor vs Couture/Barnett/Sylvia and we know those fights at this point are simply impossible. Why would Fedor give a fuck? He fights who ever is put in front of him and takes their heart. Why should he CHASE top5 fighters? It doesn't make any sense. Maybe for people who can't handle him not fighting top5 it does.
Do you understand the concept of "#1 is the one who should be chased?"
chimba
11-20-2007, 12:31 AM
Do I think Fedor should win this fight? Yes. Do I think that people should lose respect for Fedor because he's fighting him instead of Rizzo or Monson? Not really. First of all its a traditional fight for Japan. Plus, Heh Meh Choh is quite popular in Japan so it would definitely bring people in. So, Fedor's MANAGEMENT thought it would be a good idea to have them fight each other. They care ONLY about money, they're businessmen. This fight will bring them more money than pretty much any other fight except maybe Fedor vs Couture/Barnett/Sylvia and we know those fights at this point are simply impossible. Why would Fedor give a fuck? He fights who ever is put in front of him and takes their heart. Why should he CHASE top5 fighters? It doesn't make any sense. Maybe for people who can't handle him not fighting top5 it does.
Do you understand the concept of "#1 is the one who should be chased?"[/quote]
You should post more in the boxing forum...you obviously know your stuff..People there dont get this concept
yes why should he chase top 5 fighters? Well if you go to an org that doesn't have any top fighters I guess he won't have to fight any.
Polymath
11-20-2007, 05:23 AM
@thread starter
Fedor couldn't take down this oversized clown? Whaat?
Height is a disadvantage in grappling and take down defense.
Watch Fedor take down and throw Semmy Schilt at will, who a better fighter than acromegaly head.
scurlaruntings
11-20-2007, 06:04 AM
Report: Emelianenko Announcement Coming Soon; Choi Not Confirmed ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Posted by MMA Junkie on November 20, 2007 at 12:20 am ET
[Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])Official confirmation of today’s earlier news that famed heavyweight Fedor Emelianenko will be fighting in Japan on New Year’s Eve could come within the next day or two, but his reported opponent, Hong Man Choi, is not a definite.
The latest news on this big story comes from our friend Sam Caplan at fiveouncesofpain.com ([Only registered and activated users can see links]).
According to Caplan, several of his sources confirmed that Emelianenko has been booked for the event, and an official announcement will likely be made soon. According to today’s Savage Dog Radio ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) report, M-1 Global (a former Russian-based fight promotion recently purchased by American investors) is not producing the show, and instead, the event is being promoted by former employees of PRIDE Fighting Championships.
Therefore, the announcement won’t come from M-1 Global itself.
Prior to signing with M-1 last month, Emelianenko spent five years with PRIDE. However, when Zuffa LLC (the UFC’s parent company) purchased the organization this past spring, Emelianenko’s contract was one of the heaping handful that couldn’t be transfered. And last month, all PRIDE employees were laid off. Many of them are now organizing the upcoming event.
Caplan also reports that Choi isn’t a done-deal as far as Emelianenko’s opponent goes.
When it was reported that the former K-1 kickboxer and one-fight MMA veteran would be Emelianenko’s opponent, the news didn’t exactly go over well with most fans.
Emelianenko, once considered the sport’s undisputed top pound-for-pound fighter, has been heavily criticized for facing just three fairly sub-par opponents over the past two years. However, Emelianenko does own an 26-1 record, his reign as PRIDE champion lasted from March 2003 to the organization’s eventual demise, and he’s beaten a who’s who of MMA talent, including Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Mirko “Cro” Filipovic, Ricardo Arona and others.
However, despite Choi being an unfathomable 7-foot-2 and 350 pounds, his MMA credentials are all but nonexistent.
According to Caplan, though, Choi is nothing more than a possible candidate at this point, and M-1 Global will have final say over any of his opponent.
that's good news, He thinks if he goes to Japan he can fight anybody and the fans will love him ,but I think people are getting tired of this act of not fighting top oppenents. I still think M1 will have a tough go of it if they think they can put anybody in front of Fedor and people will watch it. They paid him alot of money it will be tough to get it back if he won't fight anybody.
rushman
11-20-2007, 08:54 AM
I like Fedor. I still have massive respect for him. But I dont think I will see him in any great fights ever again.
H2H I still rate him as likely the best in the world. But with his choice of opponents he cannot be ranked by any organisations as being the best, and he leaves legitimate arguments as to him no longer being relevant in the scene.
Fedor just doesn't seem to care anymore. He has proven whatever it is that he wants to prove to himself, and that seems to be all that matters. I doubt he is scared of challenges - the guy doesn't seem to have any emotion.
radianttwilight
11-20-2007, 01:30 PM
I like Fedor. I still have massive respect for him. But I dont think I will see him in any great fights ever again.
H2H I still rate him as likely the best in the world. But with his choice of opponents he cannot be ranked by any organisations as being the best, and he leaves legitimate arguments as to him no longer being relevant in the scene.
Fedor just doesn't seem to care anymore. He has proven whatever it is that he wants to prove to himself, and that seems to be all that matters. I doubt he is scared of challenges - the guy doesn't seem to have any emotion.
That's what I'm thinking.
Ubersteve
11-20-2007, 02:59 PM
I'm sure the fight will make plenty of money, anyhow. Not sure how well he'll translate to MMA but the dude is huge and should be tough to take down and in K-1 he's only lost to Bonjasky (ATG), Le Banner (ATG) and Mighty Mo (avenged).
It's not like this is Giant Silva or anything, although Fedor should still win. A more experienced HMC would probably give people a hell of a time.
Mike W
11-20-2007, 04:58 PM
there have been a lot of upsets in MMA this year. Hong Man Choi over Fedor is an upset i see possibly happening. I'd give Hong Man Choi a 40% chance of winning.
And i still think Choi is better than Barnnett or Nogueira. Maybe Choi will get to fight Barnnett next and beat him
ufoalf
11-20-2007, 05:45 PM
there have been a lot of upsets in MMA this year. Hong Man Choi over Fedor is an upset i see possibly happening. I'd give Hong Man Choi a 40% chance of winning.
And i still think Choi is better than Barnnett or Nogueira. Maybe Choi will get to fight Barnnett next and beat him
Yea, I agree. Hong man Choi has a PERFECT record, and he beat guys like Bobby Ologun(ATG possibly GOAT) and ummm... So, Nog and Barnett haven't really fought anyone of note plus their record is shite. Totally agree with you.
Yea, I agree. Hong man Choi has a PERFECT record, and he beat guys like Bobby Ologun(ATG possibly GOAT) and ummm... So, Nog and Barnett haven't really fought anyone of note plus their record is shite. Totally agree with you.
almost anything this guy writes is complete shit.....so don't bother:verysad
Mike W
11-20-2007, 06:23 PM
Yea, I agree. Hong man Choi has a PERFECT record, and he beat guys like Bobby Ologun(ATG possibly GOAT) and ummm... So, Nog and Barnett haven't really fought anyone of note plus their record is shite. Totally agree with you.
i didn't say that Nog and Barnett had shitty records. I just don't think they can handle Hong Man Choi in an MMA fight
ufoalf
11-20-2007, 06:24 PM
almost anything this guy writes is complete shit.....so don't bother:verysad
im just having lil fun with him :)
The Whaler
11-22-2007, 06:12 AM
I think you guys are missing the point. Hong Man Choi is 7'2''. When Yao Ming starts MMA he will be the greatest fighter of all.
Err, I just saw Mo take him down in the first. All that is needed is timing. Choi attempts one leg kick and an opponent can go to tie him up and single leg him. Choi looks like you could accidentally take him down if you have the size and stumble into him.
His balance doesn't seem to be all that great.
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