Mike Tyson, Hall Of Fame bound or not. [Archive]

sues2nd

06-18-2007, 02:40 AM

Of course it is arguable. We argued about it for days and days here.

If people argued that...they are dumb.

Youngest HW champ ever. One of the most feared fighters in history. His short reign was one of the most impressive ever. Plus the amount of exposure he brought to the sport...good or bad...remember, there is no such thing as "bad press", as the old saying goes.

Tyson is one the greatest HWs ever (I rank him 7-12...depends on what day you ask me...:hey )....to say he aint HOF first ballot is insane.

See Me Flow

06-18-2007, 02:45 AM

Bound.

Flatlander

06-18-2007, 02:46 AM

I am not even going to bother. Tyson is a waste of space and the negative things he did to boxing are still doing harm to the sport today.

See Me Flow

06-18-2007, 02:50 AM

Boxers do negative things all the time, Flatlander. But that doesn't negate a fighters accomplishments.

Flatlander

06-18-2007, 02:52 AM

Boxers do negative things all the time, Flatlander. But that doesn't negate a fighters accomplishments.

Ah, but it should.

sues2nd

06-18-2007, 02:54 AM

I am not even going to bother. Tyson is a waste of space and the negative things he did to boxing are still doing harm to the sport today.

Has nothing to do with whether he is a HOFer or not.

Flatlander

06-18-2007, 02:55 AM

Has nothing to do with whether he is a HOFer or not.

I maintain that it should.

See Me Flow

06-18-2007, 02:57 AM

I have to disagree, Flatlander. I more concerned about performance. This is the same problem I have with those who say Pete Rose shouldn't be in the HOF. What Rose did was wrong. But he was a hell of a player. His performance as a player speaks for itself, as does Tyson's tenure in the ring.

Flatlander

06-18-2007, 03:00 AM

See Me Flow

06-18-2007, 03:08 AM

What then should be the consequences for their bad behavior?

It depends what type of actions in the ring or on the field.

Consequences for bad behavior should be taken up as a civil matter if ones actions have nothing to do with the sport one partakes in.

Tyson served suspension and payed his fines for his action against Holyfield and others. I don't believe in double jeopardy by continually punishing an individual for the same offense.

Jose FM

06-18-2007, 03:09 AM

Hes definitely gettin in, first ballot...

hobgoblin

06-18-2007, 04:33 AM

Well, Mike Tyson is probably the second most famous boxer that is alive. If the HOF wants legitimacy (FAME) - they better include the second most famous boxer (and most of his fame came from performance in the ring to allow mishaps to enhance it but let's not argue that).

OF COURSE HE IS HOF BOUND

Dostoevsky

06-18-2007, 04:44 AM

Of course he should be, whether the imbeciles running at the HOF will induct him is a different matter.

Just look at his skill and achievements,it is clear he should easily get into the HoF,if someone like Ken Norton can get in then Tyson definitely should.

good right hand

06-18-2007, 05:06 AM

Well, Mike Tyson is probably the second most famous boxer that is alive.

i actually think he is the most famous boxer at this time. he is possibly one of the top 10 most recognized athletes alive.

PrideOfWales

06-18-2007, 05:22 AM

Without a shadow of doubt, yes.

Don't forget that Mike Tyson did a shitload of great things FOR boxing before he went crazy. This is what I'd want the HOF to remember. Never forget how exciting he was or the fear he put into opponents. A completely dominant figure at one point who ruled the roost.

And think how many dogs were named after him too.

PrideOfWales

06-18-2007, 05:25 AM

i actually think he is the most famous boxer at this time. he is possibly one of the top 10 most recognized athletes alive.

My mum would recognise him and she hates all sport. She would recognise:

1. David Beckham
2. Tiger Woods
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Mike Tyson

And that's about it.

ozziebattler

06-18-2007, 05:57 AM

Tyson's easily hall of famer..Wait and see how much coverage his induction will get come the time...

You got ali than tyson.....maybe the other way around.

Oh and with a moe like that u got joe calzaghe..

Wat about charlotte church and gavin henson?their legends to u sheep shagging welsh aint they?

DamonD

06-18-2007, 05:59 AM

I know he was controversial and even hated at times, but the HOF surely can't deny the impact he had on the sport...sure some was bad, but some was extremely good as well. I would 100% have Tyson in there, for his '80s title run alone (let alone the guys he beat afterwards).

lillarry

06-18-2007, 06:03 AM

hell yeah!!! For a time in the mid to late 80s Tyson was the biggest name in all sports. He brought in the casual fan.

theunderdog

06-18-2007, 06:05 AM

i too agree that he deserves it but may not get it at this time because of his recent decisions. i think he'll be in the hof someday

knockout

06-18-2007, 07:04 AM

well he should be.

McGrain

06-18-2007, 09:32 AM

Unquestionably.

Kolya

06-18-2007, 09:35 AM

First ballot HOF. Not even close. It's the boxing hall of fame, not the moral hall of fame. Let God judge him as a person, let us judge him as a fighter.

PrideOfWales

06-18-2007, 09:40 AM

First ballot HOF. Not even close. It's the boxing hall of fame, not the moral hall of fame. Let God judge him as a person, let us judge him as a fighter.

"I want to rip out your heart, I want to eat your children... praise be to Allah!"

He praised Allah so he should be ok.

rushman

06-18-2007, 09:47 AM

Shoe-in.

Cage

06-18-2007, 09:47 AM

I personally cant stand Tyson, I never did, and I rooted against him in every one of his fights regardless of who he fought.

With that said, i still think he definately deserves a place in the HOF.

In my generation, he is really the only fighter that showed a glimpse of what it looked like for someone to just come in and dominate through the ranks like a wrecking ball. I mean, we have had fighters like De La Hoya, Jones Jr., PBF, Prince Nassim, Sweet Pea, etc. . who showed they could dominate as well, but never with the intensity that Tyson displayed. Pure power and intimidation.

At one time, the guy was a pure nightmare for anyone to face. And being realistic, it was never his abilities as a fighter that broke him, it was his emotional termoil and under-developed mind that broke him.

My personal dislikes towards the man cant allow me to forget the fighter he once was. He did alot for the sport. . good and bad. When people paid for a Tyson fight, they usually got their moneys worth. . . one way or the other.

Bad_Intentions

06-18-2007, 09:58 AM

I'm pretty sure he will get inducted.

even if he doesnt get to the HOF, he's still one of the most famous athletes in history, that even people that are not boxing fans still remember him.

Zakman

06-18-2007, 10:59 AM

Of course Tyson's going to Hall of Fame - even IF he didn't deserve it on the basis of what he did in the sport, which he DOES - the guy was the most famous boxer since Ali. On that alone he'd get inducted, frankly.

Jeez, people debate this when JIM BRADDOCK is in the Hall. C'mon. It's lunacy. Of course Tyson belongs in the Hall.

Silverfox

06-18-2007, 11:18 PM

I am not even going to bother. Tyson is a waste of space and the negative things he did to boxing are still doing harm to the sport today.
I couldn't agree with you more! He's a despicable excuse of a human being. A low life, gutter snipe!

Mentally, he's the missing link between ape & man!

Illmatic

06-19-2007, 12:52 AM

Easily in. And we remember him as having a "short" run, but 4plus years as the undisputed heavyweight champion is a hell of a run.

Zhaakal

06-19-2007, 02:00 AM

Ofcourse he is

stuistylee

06-19-2007, 02:46 AM

Ofcourse he isof course he is...i try not 2 comment bout the more technical aspects u guys get in2...but pls...there lots of good young fans and participants mikey himself bought 2 this great sport...

H .

06-19-2007, 02:49 AM

Absolutely!

PrideOfWales

09-19-2007, 10:46 AM

Absolutely!

I would tend to agree

Marnoff

09-19-2007, 10:49 AM

Ah, but it should.

Hall of Fame is about accomplishments in the ring. Whether you like him or not doesn't change his accomplishments. You've apparently made up your mind already, so it saves me trying to change it.

MrMagic

09-19-2007, 10:50 AM

Youngest man to capture a heavyweight title.
Beat up all the competition and ruled the division for years, with victories over Spinks, Holmes, Tucker, Tubbs, Ruddock, Berbick etc.
Got thrown in jail and lost his touch, but he then fought Holyfield, Lewis, Golota after his time in prison.
He even had a mega fight long long after his supposed prime.

Tyson isn't just HOF but also an ATG.

marting

09-19-2007, 10:58 AM

What then should be the consequences for their bad behavior?

If they can elect Carlos Monzon they can certainly induct Tyson.

He's a lock if there ever was one.

Danny

09-19-2007, 11:14 AM

Yes, without a doubt in my view. Tyson cleaned out & dominated the HW division like no other HW in history except for Joe Louis. Tyson won the WBC title at just 20 years old. Damn, he wasn't even old enough to legally drink alcohol in USA at the time!

In my view, Tyson was not only the best HW between 1986-89, he was also the best P4P fighter in the world.

Five years on from the McBride defeat, I expect to see Tyson inducted in the HOF.

Basically, fighters who didn't achieve as much, were not as good as Tyson have been indicted, so why shouldn't Tyson?

DamonD

09-19-2007, 11:16 AM

Should definitely be, although I can imagine some members getting very po-faced and not letting him in.

kukoy

09-19-2007, 11:24 AM

As much as I dislike the guy in his prime, only a crazy fool would say NO.

ChampionsForever

09-19-2007, 12:23 PM

Top 5 all time heavyweight great for me, head to head I can only see Ali and maybe Foreman taking him out, he was phenomenal in hes prime.

T.S.

09-19-2007, 12:45 PM

Youngest HW Champ of all time.
He's a shoe in.

standing 8

09-19-2007, 12:54 PM

Easily in. And we remember him as having a "short" run, but 4plus years as the undisputed heavyweight champion is a hell of a run.

Four years is long time to hold on the title of unidisputed champion, that would never happen now.

warrior85

09-19-2007, 01:09 PM

definetly,considering some of the people in there already alot of who didnt do half as much in or for boxing as tyson did,so i think he is hof bound

ripcity

09-19-2007, 01:13 PM

Lets see about 10 (9) tittle defences. Undisputed heavyweight champion. Two time heavey weight champion. Extremly popular during his peak. Has a Nentendo game.
He's a Hall of Famer.

jsimps

09-19-2007, 01:15 PM

Tyson in his prime was probably the last time I followed the HW division.

MrMagic

09-19-2007, 01:35 PM

Tyson in his prime was probably the last time I followed the HW division.
Then you missed some great fights.

lefthook31

09-19-2007, 01:42 PM

Hmm, youngest heavyweight champ, last to unify, biggest draw in boxing history so far overall, nah probably not.:roll:

jsimps

09-19-2007, 01:45 PM

Then you missed some great fights.

I was speaking more so towards that era of HW's. Since he went to prison the division went down hill. Lewis was a good champ, but no competition.

Illmatic

09-19-2007, 02:25 PM

4 years as dominant undisputed heavyweight champion...

give me a list of people who did that and it will be a list of all time greats

hooligan

09-19-2007, 02:29 PM

the HOF would be a joke if tyson is never included...

Illmatic

09-19-2007, 02:33 PM

Jess Willard :D

:rofl..that one defence was dominant...

Rumsfeld

09-19-2007, 03:45 PM

Abso-fucking-lutely!

Has anyone here actually been to the IBHOF? It's like a collection of memorabilia from a die-hard fan that can fit in a small garage.

:-(

RUSKULL

09-19-2007, 07:07 PM

Most certainly.

MrMagic

09-19-2007, 07:09 PM

Most certainly.
Are you grumpy because Vitali ain't coming back?
Don't worry, Wladimir will hold his belts :hey

BoppaZoo

09-19-2007, 07:36 PM

Not even arguable....first ballot HOFer.The thread should have ended here with this the very first reply to the thread.:good

To even debate it is silly.

anut

09-19-2007, 07:41 PM

yes for sure:smoke

Fighting Weight

09-19-2007, 07:52 PM

Most unbeatable fighter I ever saw, in his prime. People should never forget just how dominant this guy was, and it should have been for a great deal longer but never happened for a number of reasons (and let's not get into them now)

It would be absolutely ridiculous if Mike wasn't inducted into the hall of fame. He had a lot of bad intentions for sure, but that brought the paying public back to a dying sport and he's still being talked about to this day, 21 years after he won his first title.

Make no mistake, Mike Tyson was a GREAT fighter.

box03

09-19-2007, 07:56 PM

Tyson was Heavywieght boxing in the late 80s, he not only was a great fighter with the hand speed of a middlewieght and the power of giant but made the average person watch boxing again. He might not of had the career of Ali but had equal or greater impact on the sport itself, if Tyson doesnt not get inducted into the boxing hall of fame it would be a travesty.

cuchulain

09-19-2007, 09:13 PM

If a guy won an Olympic gold, turned pro at welter wt, cleaned up the division to become undisputed at 19 yrs old, moved up to 154, did the same thing there, kept moving up and unifying all the way to heavywt, made 25 consecutive successful defences of the undisputed heavywt title, retired at 36, undefeated with a record of 70-0-0 (70 Ko's), raped and axe-murdered his ex-wife and ex-mother-in-law right after his last fight,

would he be Hall of Fame material ?

(An extreme and unlikely scenario, but...)

Without a doubt, Mike will be inducted into the Boxing HOF.

cardstars

09-19-2007, 09:45 PM

Tyson is GUARENTEED to be a hof'er

Ramshall1

09-19-2007, 09:48 PM

Who are his top 5 or even top 3 wins???

mightyd40

09-19-2007, 09:48 PM

no question about it....

cuchulain

09-19-2007, 11:10 PM

Who are his top 5 or even top 3 wins???

Trevor Berbick

Pinklon Thomas

Frank Bruno

Frank Bruno

Tony Tucker

Michael Spinks

Razor Ruddick

Razor Ruddick

Tyrell Biggs

Larry Holmes

Scar

09-19-2007, 11:11 PM

Of course he is.

Dinoman

09-20-2007, 12:04 AM

Hate him, love him, overrated, underrated, myth or not - he should be HOFr bound.

Amsterdam

09-20-2007, 12:13 AM

Hmm, let's see guys, Ray Mancini was inducted in the hall and most consider Gatti HOF bound(which is sickening).

Not only is Tyson an ATG and the first Undisputed champ post-Ali era, but he is one of the most recognisable boxers of all time. Some people say Gatti should be inducted due to his fame and attention he brought to the sport, well, Tyson has that fame and attention x20 and is an ATG on top of it.

Worthless thread and if anyone actually argued that Tyson is not an ATG or HOF bound, then that poster needs to be abused for it.

Amsterdam

09-20-2007, 12:16 AM

Trevor Berbick

Pinklon Thomas

Frank Bruno

Frank Bruno

Tony Tucker

Michael Spinks

Razor Ruddick

Razor Ruddick

Tyrell Biggs

Larry Holmes

Quite a resume, especially taking into consideration that DEMOLISHED, or DOMINATED all of them.

tays001

09-20-2007, 12:20 AM

hell yes he's HOF bound are you retarded

Jersey Boxer

09-20-2007, 12:53 AM

he's HOF bound, but first he's Prison bound...let's see if he changes his religion again...it didnt help the first time around....

But U still gotta love him...

The Whaler

09-20-2007, 03:09 AM

Just look at his skill and achievements,it is clear he should easily get into the HoF,if someone like Ken Norton can get in then Tyson definitely should.

Absolutely. Guys like Norton get in, then Tyson gets in.

The Whaler

09-20-2007, 03:11 AM

Hmm, let's see guys, Ray Mancini was inducted in the hall and most consider Gatti HOF bound(which is sickening).

I hope not. He was a thrilling fighter, but ultimately it's achievement that counts. The blood, sweat, and hard work you put in to defeat quality opponents. Once people start putting emotion into it it becomes messy.

BodyBlaster

09-20-2007, 03:47 AM

An oldie but not moldy. :lol:

Your still a detestable fat fucker I see Flatlander!!

Tyson is the youngest champ ever, 2 time, and with as much talent as any heavyweight ever.
He's an absolute shoe in HOF 1st ballot.

Now go diet you fat fuck!

Holmes' Jab

09-20-2007, 06:15 AM

Judging him soley on his boxing career, as should be the case for the HOF: Absolutely- he's a shoe in. :good

Holmes' Jab

09-20-2007, 06:24 AM

Who are his top 5 or even top 3 wins???

I think:

1. Berbick
2. Spinks
3. Holmes
4. Biggs
5. Thomas
6. Bruno II
7. Tubbs
8. Ruddock II
9. Golota
10. Tillis

:thumbsup

fists of fury

09-20-2007, 06:46 AM

A HOF without Tyson would kind of be like a pizza without the cheese.

Yes, absolutely no question.

Illmatic

09-20-2007, 08:22 AM

Well, he matches all of the points you mentioned. Do you think he is an HoFer?

Grudgingly, yes. Every undisputed heavyweight champ gets into the hall, i mean, braddock is in there.

Vantage_West

09-20-2007, 08:45 AM

Rise Above

09-20-2007, 09:48 AM

How can he not be a hall of famer.

pipe wrenched

09-20-2007, 10:03 AM

Yeah he's HOF bound. His time was short but very sweet.

Exactly. His, although fairly short, reign of terror put boxing in mainstream big time. I'm fairly certain, being 30 yrs old, that I'm not the only one who really started liking boxing young because of Kid Dynamite.

cannabis

09-20-2007, 10:16 AM

1st ballot easily; in his era he was the man

godking

09-20-2007, 12:04 PM

Its the Hall of Fame not the hall of nice guys.

Tyson gets in first ballot.

kirk

09-20-2007, 12:08 PM

i dont think ive seen anyone say no.... lol.

PATSYS

09-20-2007, 01:21 PM

An oldie but not moldy. :lol: No doubt.

Dempsey1238

09-20-2007, 02:08 PM

And if he doesnt get in, Tyson can bite there ears when he gets out of prison lol.

PS, the only heavyweight champ not in the hall, Is Carnea I belive.

valdez

09-20-2007, 02:18 PM

Some people argue him the greatest ever (not myself) but that alone shows he's well established in the HOF.

Asterion

09-20-2007, 02:22 PM

Tyson is IMO a Top10 or Top12 Heavyweight, so yes he deserves his ticket to the Hall Of Fame.

rendog67

09-20-2007, 03:14 PM

no doubt!!

martin0792

09-18-2010, 05:35 PM

Too many people and fans remember Mike Tyson for his issues outside the ring and the frustrated fighter that resorted to dirty tactics against Evander Holyfield. They sometimes fail to remember the ruthless youngest ever heavyweight champion in history, he had it all fast hands, power in both his hands, great head movement, fast footwork, quality inside fighting, cut the ring well when stalking his victims, but most importantly his killer instinct, the ruthless aggresive finisher he was, a beast a savage. in my eyes he could have been the greatest ever if he had the correct mindset and never had all the distractions in his personal life, such as givens, don king, mike tysons downfall was clearly distractions.

Imperial1

09-18-2010, 05:51 PM

This is a hall of fame stupid question !

bernie4366

09-18-2010, 06:39 PM

why would anyone who knows ANYTHING about boxing even have to ask this question??

First ballot, of course.

Royal-T-Bag

09-18-2010, 08:01 PM

easy yes

ATP

09-18-2010, 08:04 PM

First ballot HOF. Not even close. It's the boxing hall of fame, not the moral hall of fame. Let God judge him as a person, let us judge him as a fighter.

:good

Brilliant..... This, put the morals aside.......Read the true fighter