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robpalmer135
11-20-2007, 11:44 AM
Did he ever get knocked out big time?
The Lads
11-20-2007, 11:44 AM
Apparently so, Ive read reports of at least one heavy KO.

EDIT: I think so anyway... I'll have a look at home later (restricted in work)
rydersonthestorm
11-20-2007, 12:10 PM
Yes buy oblander solis haye almost koed him in the first round and then her came back and stopped haye in the 3rd.
elle
11-20-2007, 12:15 PM
Yes buy oblander solis haye almost koed him in the first round and then her came back and stopped haye in the 3rd.

Don't think that constitutes being "knocked out big time" which is what the thread starter asked.

He fought Solis at the Amateur Championships and wasn't knocked out in that fight - it was a referee stoppage after three standing counts I think.
The Lads
11-20-2007, 12:16 PM
Yeah Solis stopped him, but it wasnt a big KO. Im sure he has been on the end of one once though, bloody sure of it.
rydersonthestorm
11-20-2007, 12:18 PM
Getting three standing counts in the ams is pretty much getting a bad beating.
elle
11-20-2007, 12:27 PM
Apparently so, Ive read reports of at least one heavy KO.

EDIT: I think so anyway... I'll have a look at home later (restricted in work)


Thats your homework for tonight then!

Happy researching! :smile
Haye
11-20-2007, 12:41 PM
He did almost KO Solis in round 1, then got handily beat, he was stopped on his feet.
TomPodmore
11-20-2007, 01:21 PM
Coventry's Jim Twite flattened him in the ABA's. Haye had stopped Courtney Fry in the round before, but Twite, who went on to have three pro contests, knocked him out.

I know Jim is very, very proud of that win, especially as Haye is now the undisputed cruiserweight champion.
brown bomber
11-20-2007, 03:51 PM
Coventry's Jim Twite flattened him in the ABA's. Haye had stopped Courtney Fry in the round before, but Twite, who went on to have three pro contests, knocked him out.

I know Jim is very, very proud of that win, especially as Haye is now the undisputed cruiserweight champion. spot on. Second round wasn't it?
riot187
11-20-2007, 09:06 PM
Must be shit then, eh? Who ever heard of a Cruiserweight getting knocked out? I mean, they don;t really pack a punch at that weight do they? If a 14 stone + man tests your beard you should be able to weather that easily enough. If that Haye ever turns pro I can't see him amounting to much. I mean, he'll certainly never be the undisputed CW Champ. And if they ever put him in with that Enzo chap, well...
Strike
11-21-2007, 04:24 AM
The one that shows Hayes chin up is the one to Twite. The Solis one was a crap stoppage and would not have been stopped in the pro game. Twite starched him.
TomPodmore
11-21-2007, 05:04 AM
spot on. Second round wasn't it?

Aye, second round.

Jim was no mug as an amateur. Despite not being a international-level fighter, Twite was well-rounded and showed what he was capable of with that win over Haye.
brown bomber
11-21-2007, 06:17 AM
Aye, second round.

Jim was no mug as an amateur. Despite not being a international-level fighter, Twite was well-rounded and showed what he was capable of with that win over Haye. Vaguely remember watching him a few years back. The Twite result was an Upset but so was Haye Blasting the well established Courtney Fry. Fry was a quality boxer.
Sly
11-23-2007, 06:28 AM
The Twite 'knockout' is a bit of a myth. Haye wasn't 'out cold' or anything. He was caught by a good shot - left cross I think - and went down heavily. He got to his feet and beat the count, but the referee waved it off. Haye wasn't really in any position to continue, but he didn't end the fight on his back.
brown bomber
11-23-2007, 07:18 AM
The Twite 'knockout' is a bit of a myth. Haye wasn't 'out cold' or anything. He was caught by a good shot - left cross I think - and went down heavily. He got to his feet and beat the count, but the referee waved it off. Haye wasn't really in any position to continue, but he didn't end the fight on his back. Funny i'm positive boxing news said he was unconsious at the conclusion. :huh
brown bomber
11-23-2007, 07:19 AM
Its nothing to be embarassed about really. Nigel Benn was stiffened at least twice.
Pat Breen
11-23-2007, 02:43 PM
The one that shows Hayes chin up is the one to Twite. The Solis one was a crap stoppage and would not have been stopped in the pro game. Twite starched him.I was at the World Championships in Belfast 2001 when Solis stopped him and Haye wasn't complaining...got hammered with right crosses because he kept dropping his left hand..hasn't learned much since..he was doing the same thing against Mormeck.
Sly
11-23-2007, 05:17 PM
Funny i'm positive boxing news said he was unconsious at the conclusion. :huh

He definitely wasn't 'unconscious' at the conclusion. If they think that, they haven't seen the fight. He was on his feet when the referee (rightly) waved it off.
achillesthegreat
11-24-2007, 02:50 PM
I was at the World Championships in Belfast 2001 when Solis stopped him and Haye wasn't complaining...got hammered with right crosses because he kept dropping his left hand..hasn't learned much since..he was doing the same thing against Mormeck.
There is a BIG difference between just dropping your left hand/keeping it low and fighting out of half guard/shoulder roll.
achillesthegreat
11-24-2007, 02:53 PM
Haye can be HURT and HURT big. The sort of hurt that can get a fight stopped. In the pros he'll be able to come back from being hurt like that, as long as the ref is good. So being stopped in the ams isn't major in the pros.

For example Lewis stunned Bowe a couple of times and stopped him but it hardly meant Bowe was chinny. He similarly got stunned/hurt in the pros but because it was the pros he could continue i.e. against Holy and Golota.

Haye has recently showed against Mormeck that being hurt isn't the end of the world. When Thompson stopped him he was exhausted and clueless.
Naidah
11-25-2007, 04:53 PM
Perhaps Haye has a china chin, perhaps it was making the cruiserweight limit that took away David's punch resistance? He's been stopped once and down heavily twice, in other fighters

Personally I reckon it's a bit of both. I don't think Haye's chin is a complete dead loss (he'd have never won the undisputed title otherwise) but it's looking fairly clear that he's no Oliver McCall in that department either.

His chin has just about held up to win the world title at cruiser, so that's one less ambition he needs to worry about. We'll have to see how he takes a heavyweight punch.

I would imagine many great fighters have been KO'd in the amateurs.
brown bomber
11-25-2007, 06:36 PM
I was at the World Championships in Belfast 2001 when Solis stopped him and Haye wasn't complaining...got hammered with right crosses because he kept dropping his left hand..hasn't learned much since..he was doing the same thing against Mormeck. Come on Pat he must have learned a bit- he's the undisputed cruiserweight champion :arran
brown bomber
11-25-2007, 06:38 PM
I would imagine many great fighters have been KO'd in the amateurs. Your right Ali was stopped at least twice in the amateurs and you don't get much greater then him.