View Full Version : Jermaine Taylor is a DEAD MAN WALKING!!!!!!!!!!
It's going to be ugly once agian this guy has bad habits in and out of the ring, ok if u going to get rid of Manny? Ok i agree with that many has never had a fighter who could fight off the ropes period! Naz,Lewis,klitsko,hearns and the rest never could fight off the ropes he should have gotten Floyd Sr. would have been PERFECT to teach him how to fight off the ropes this new guy is Bullshit!!!
i think as long as he stays at 160 he will still be succesful...
he is going to get Ko'd up on the ropes watch.... i will bet my house on it
C Money
11-20-2007, 05:59 PM
One might question the switch in the first place. Nelson trained him from the amateur's befor Pat Burns. I saw liitle change or relevance in his time with Stewart. Kelly Pavlik didnt fall for that shit, he stuck with the trainer who spent his time on him and had a good working relationship with. Sure, easy to say bring in SR. Pavlik will KILL the world, but I guarantee that shit wouldnt work.
Each case has its own merit but switching doesnt guarantee performance. It didnt work with Steward and it wasnt all about philosophy. Sometimes there just isnt that chemistry. Sometimes there is and some fighters have benefited from changes. But after this experiment and EVERYTHING riding on this rematch? The familiarity, bond, and success shared with Nelson makes sense.
TALK ABOUT COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN??
Mayweather Sr.?? Taylor might not understand two words Sr. has to say. Then again maybe thats a good thing:lol: Cant you just picture Sr. going ballistic in between rounds, as Taylor gets off the stool and fights as if the conversation never took place.:rofl "you gotta KNAWK this MOTHERFUKA OUT MAN" There's also not enough time for Taylor to benefit on any other change.
All in all? Ozell Nelson makes the most sense for Taylor. Do I believe it changes the outcome?? NO! But I admit that while I'm a Pavlik fan and picked Pavlik by TKO, Taylor came dangerously close to a KO 2 Victory and it was a hell of a fight. Nelson probably helps Jermain make this a hell of a fight as well:yep In the end? Pavlik still has too much power and BOXED with Taylor. He'll do that again and the power difference will once again take the day, at least in my estimation. Which makes everyone tuning in WINNERS.:good
Hell yeah the biggest problem the kid has is on the ropes why not get a trainer who is very good with that? he is stupid this pavlik fight is going to be his last fight got forbid he leaves the match on a strecher
psychopath
11-20-2007, 06:23 PM
If Taylor can't fight off the ropes . . . he can't. No matter who trains him . . . he can't learn that over night.
So the best thing to learn is how to stay off the ropes. :yep
If Taylor can't fight off the ropes . . . he can't. No matter who trains him . . . he can't learn that over night.
So the best thing to learn is how to stay off the ropes. :yep
Yea but how is he gonna do that againts someone pressuring him all the time, like pavlik.
psychopath
11-20-2007, 06:37 PM
Yea but how is he gonna do that againts someone pressuring him all the time, like pavlik.
Bruh . . . more side to side movements while countering. He should not be backing up straight because once he do that he puts himself out of punching range.
First thing to do is to improve his stamina so he won't be gassing out in the middle rounds. He's got to be able to fight for 12 bruising rounds. The reason Pav can put on the continuos pressure is because Taylor's hands are not busy with his own punches. :yep
ChampionsForever
11-20-2007, 06:38 PM
I was rooting and I picked Taylor to beat Pavlik first time around, but there is no way he will win the rematch, Pavlik got cocky and got caught, it nearly cost him the fight, infact if it was stoped after he got up and that clubbing right hand that hit him on the side of the head which sent him flying across the ring I don't think many would have complained......
Ill be cheering for JT to get revenge but he is facing to big a mountain here, the guy keeps hes left hand stupidly low and Pavlik loves throwing that straight right, its only a matter of time before that punch explodes on hes jaw again :patsch.
tays001
11-20-2007, 06:51 PM
Pav By Ko
psychopath
11-20-2007, 06:55 PM
I was rooting and I picked Taylor to beat Pavlik first time around, but there is no way he will win the rematch, Pavlik got cocky and got caught, it nearly cost him the fight, infact if it was stoped after he got up and that clubbing right hand that hit him on the side of the head which sent him flying across the ring I don't think many would have complained......
Ill be cheering for JT to get revenge but he is facing to big a mountain here, the guy keeps hes left hand stupidly low and Pavlik loves throwing that straight right, its only a matter of time before that punch explodes on hes jaw again :patsch.
Same here Bruh . . . I picked Taylor on their first fight but I don't see how JT could even match Pav's power on this second fight.
Not unless JT suddenly becomes "superman". :D
maximumsg
11-20-2007, 06:57 PM
Taylor's stock is shit I wonder how much money HBO has lost on him.
Yall think i am joking i know plenty of people who have spared with Kelly the dude is a just a devestaing puncher just nazty....and i swear everytime taylor goes to the ropes in this fight i think it can END on one shoti just hope he doesn't get hurt badly
C Money
11-20-2007, 07:12 PM
Yall think i am joking i know plenty of people who have spared with Kelly the dude is a just a devestaing puncher just nazty....and i swear everytime taylor goes to the ropes in this fight i think it can END on one shoti just hope he doesn't get hurt badly
I dont think anyone thinks you're joking. I think its pretty damn obvious and yes I have talked to people who have been in the gym with Pavlik and power is a given.
We saw it in Pavlik vs Taylor 1, we'll likely see it a second time around. Yet, Pavlik better learn from the first fight and not get cocky, train just as hard, and continue the excellent 1,2 he used, or Taylor could catch him as well.
JETSKI
11-20-2007, 07:13 PM
Feb. 16th will be here before you know it!:happy
NEWS FLASH
Pavlik cleared to train!
Doctors say "the Ghost" is good to go
Undefeated WBC/WBO middleweight champion Kelly "The Ghost" Pavlik was certified 100% ready to resume full training today, clearing the way for Pavlik's first title defense against former world champion Jermain Taylor. Earlier this month, Pavlik had incurred superficial lacerations and abrasions to his hands and forearms while trying to repair a broken window at his home. The 14 stitches he received to repair the lacerations have already been removed. "This is to certify that Kelly Pavlik had a medical evaluation today and may return to full contact sports and activities as of November 20, 2007," said Mark F. Hendrickson, M.D., Chief, Section of Hand Surgery, Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, and Hand and Upper Extremity Center at The Cleveland Clinic Foundation in Cleveland, OH. "Kelly is thrilled and Top Rank is thrilled," said Bob Arum, Pavlik's promoter, who escorted Pavlik to his appointment with Dr. Hendrickson today. "We have some big announcements to make on Kelly's behalf in the near future, but none bigger than this. Thanksgiving came early for us this year!" Pavlik (32-0, 29 KOs), from Youngstown, OH, captured the middleweight crown when he knocked out defending champion Taylor (27-1-1, 17 KOs), from Little Rock, AK, in the seventh round of their September 29 rumble, considered by many, the "Fight of the Year."
Tuesday, November 20 2007
I wonder what the BIG NEWS regarding KP is that Arum was referring to?
:think
tays001
11-20-2007, 08:54 PM
pavlik by KO
Symphenyceo
11-20-2007, 09:25 PM
Pavlik via KO 10
Zakman
11-20-2007, 10:24 PM
Taylor's stock is shit I wonder how much money HBO has lost on him.
Well, they milked the Taylor gravy train for a bit, getting him those gift decisions against Hopkins and Wright. :fire
But justice was served in the end - in the form of Kelly Pavlik's fists. :yep So it will be, again. :nod
Can't wait!! :happy
Alo2006
11-20-2007, 10:27 PM
Floyd May sr. should train him. Good idea
I think Floyd Sr. could help him :good
booradley
11-21-2007, 04:01 AM
Pavlik entered the ring against Miranda at an even 171 pounds, and they were fighting at an "Official" weight of 160. Pavlik at 171 was a freakin' MONSTER, strong as an ox, and he looked fantastic. With the Taylor rematch set for 166# I'm guessing Kelly will come in around 174-75, and if I know anything from following Pavlik's career the past few years it's that he will be in excellent condition and ready to FIGHT ALL NIGHT at a pace of 80-100 punches per round.
I honestly hope Taylor does well in the rematch. Of course I'll be rooting for Pavlik, but I don't want to see a complete blow-out. I hope Jermain fixes some of his worst problems: going straight back when he gets hit solid, carrying his left to low, et. All Taylor has to do is answer the bell for the 10th round, and he will have accomplished something no other opponent has. However, JT seems to have carved his habits in stone. If he doesn't correct them round 2 in the first fight could prove to be his undoing. I say that because Kelly survived and by the end of the round it was JT initiating the clinches. That means Kelly knows he can come out firing from both barrels and not get knocked out. Under those circumstances an unimproved Taylor wouldn't see the end of the 3rd round.
Boo
Middleweight
11-21-2007, 06:17 AM
I CANT WAIT till this fight! The first one was awesome! I'm equally a fan of both boxers, which makes me lucky. I will be happy whatever the outcome! I'm looking forward to this more than any other fight on the horizon.
robpalmer135
11-21-2007, 06:55 AM
Taylor TKO 3
Dorfmeister
11-21-2007, 07:36 AM
I guess the smart money is with Jermain this time cause he proved he can hurt Kelly, he's faster and still powerful and should tailor his behaviour, fighting a smarter fight. B'sides Pavlik fights only one way and I cannot disregard that counter jab which distorted his face when he stretched his left lead longuorously, pretty much dragging his feet in that 2nd round, what guarantees one has that the walls won't come tumbling down now? Jermain was a better fighter with Pat Burns and beats Kelly if he fights at the same level as he fought Bernard...
Middleweight
11-21-2007, 10:24 AM
I guess the smart money is with Jermain this time cause he proved he can hurt Kelly, he's faster and still powerful and should tailor his behaviour, fighting a smarter fight. B'sides Pavlik fights only one way and I cannot disregard that counter jab which distorted his face when he stretched his left lead longuorously, pretty much dragging his feet in that 2nd round, what guarantees one has that the walls won't come tumbling down now? Jermain was a better fighter with Pat Burns and beats Kelly if he fights at the same level as he fought Bernard...The smart money is on Jermain Taylor this time???? No wonder Portugal's economy is going down the shitter!!!
Florida boy
11-21-2007, 10:29 AM
The smart money is on Jermain Taylor this time???? No wonder Portugal's economy is going down the shitter!!!
Taylor UD12
Middleweight
11-21-2007, 10:30 AM
Taylor UD12Sure, he might win, but no way is the smart money on Taylor.
If Taylor goes to the ropes he's going to get knocked out again, he just has to keep it in the middle of the ring and box for 12 rounds. He has a chance to stop Pavlik in the 2nd round but proved that he isn't a good finisher, that chance won't come again since Pavlik WON'T play around this time for sure.
jsimps
11-21-2007, 10:47 AM
If Taylor goes to the ropes he's going to get knocked out again, he just has to keep it in the middle of the ring and box for 12 rounds. He has a chance to stop Pavlik in the 2nd round but proved that he isn't a good finisher, that chance won't come again since Pavlik WON'T play around this time for sure.
KP's jab, right hand is what forced JT to retreat to the ropes. He did not go willingly. Plus, I thought JT did "ok" while on the ropes. He got hit with some big shots, however he countered and didn't stay there long. No matter what, if he approaches this fight without making changes to his style, he is "Dead Man Walking".
Same ending, KP = KO rd 7.
pudding
11-21-2007, 11:53 AM
It's going to be ugly once agian this guy has bad habits in and out of the ring, ok if u going to get rid of Manny? Ok i agree with that many has never had a fighter who could fight off the ropes period! Naz,Lewis,klitsko,hearns and the rest never could fight off the ropes he should have gotten Floyd Sr. would have been PERFECT to teach him how to fight off the ropes this new guy is Bullshit!!!
Fighting off the ropes tends to be a dubious strategy at best and for Jermain Taylor it would be unnecessary if he kept his guard up and remained in the center of the ring. The fact that he likes to drop his guard will not make it any easier for him to fight off the ropes no matter who is training him.
I agree 100%, Taylor is a dead man walking.
BITCH ASS
11-21-2007, 11:55 AM
1 thing you don't do against Pavlik is fight off the ropes.
You fight off the ropes, his workrate and power will knock you the fuck out.
What you do, is you never get against he ropes.
YOU MOVE.
Dorfmeister
11-21-2007, 12:01 PM
The smart money is on Jermain Taylor this time???? No wonder Portugal's economy is going down the shitter!!!
That was a good line and very close to the truth :lol: Thank God the Brits love our seaside and spend GBP where we can't afford to. Serious, smart money is where you can make the most, obviously most expected Kelly Pavlik to win but will he? I really don't know that's that clear...
booradley
11-21-2007, 01:08 PM
KP's jab, right hand is what forced JT to retreat to the ropes. He did not go willingly. Plus, I thought JT did "ok" while on the ropes. He got hit with some big shots, however he countered and didn't stay there long. No matter what, if he approaches this fight without making changes to his style, he is "Dead Man Walking".
Same ending, KP = KO rd 7.
Good Post! A lot of people, including HBO people, missed what actually happened in the 7th round of the first fight, and proved to be the beginning of the end. When Taylor TRIED TO BOX with "The Ghost" Kelly handed him his ass. First came a 1-2 where the jab missed but the right hand landed flush, then left hook-right hand, and then a picture perfect 1-2. That is what happened, and it happened while they were boxing in the middle of the ring. That's what hurt Taylor and put him on the ropes. As for Taylor fighting off the ropes: he got his ass kicked so bad in round 3 that I'd be tempted to call it 10-8. I wouldn't because Taylor fought his way off the ropes and out of trouble very well. Most people still don't get Kelly! Nobody currently at 160 or 168 can beat him. Try to box, ya KTFO with perfect combinations. Try to slug, he'll prove himself the stronger and tougher warrior, and knock ya the fuck out. His 90% KO ratio is not the product of a raw slugger. Kelly is a much better boxer than he generally gets credit for. He is also much better defensively than he gets credit for. He ain't Pernell or Winky, but when did we ever see him with his face all fucked up? Answer: Never!
Boo
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