Why is Calzaghe scared to fight in America?

[Caliboxing]

He said he's coming to the US but now it looks like he's staying in the UK to fight Woods. Lennox Lewis, Ricky Hatton, Clinton Woods, David Haye, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Nasim Hamed, etc. have fought in the US. What's holding Calzaghe back? I guess that's how highly he thinks of American fans. How do you expect American fans to support him then?

[Drexl]

He said he's coming to the US but now it looks like he's staying in the UK to fight Woods. Lennox Lewis, Ricky Hatton, Clinton Woods, David Haye, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Nasim Hamed, etc. have fought in the US. What's holding Calzaghe back? I guess that's how highly he thinks of American fans. How do you expect American fans to support him then?
Why are the Americans scared of fighting the Champ in Wales?

Joe just sold out over 50,000 seats for his last fight. THERE is your reason why there is no point in him fighting in the USA.

Do you really think he is bothered if the American's don't support him? Is Hopkins bothered that he doesn't have many Welsh fans?

[PolishPummler]

Why are the Americans scared of fighting the Champ in Wales?

Joe just sold out over 50,000 seats for his last fight. THERE is your reason why there is no point in him fighting in the USA.

Do you really think he is bothered if the American's don't support him? Is Hopkins bothered that he doesn't have many Welsh fans?

Big difference between Welsh and American fans.

Joe is afraid to leave his comfort zone.

[thesandman]

Why are the Americans scared of fighting the Champ in Wales?

Joe just sold out over 50,000 seats for his last fight. THERE is your reason why there is no point in him fighting in the USA.

Do you really think he is bothered if the American's don't support him? Is Hopkins bothered that he doesn't have many Welsh fans?

Yeah, my thoughts basically.

I have a question for the thread starter.

How many times did the great warrior Evander Holyfield fight overseas???
How many NON US fighters has Holyfield beaten at Heavyweight?

[thesandman]

Big difference between Welsh and American fans.

Joe is afraid to leave his comfort zone.

What's the difference?


See above. How many times have these guys left their comfort zone???


Evander Holyfield.
Riddick Bowe
Floyd Mayweather
Sugar Ray Leonard

[Caliboxing]

Yeah, my thoughts basically.

I have a question for the thread starter.

How many times did the great warrior Evander Holyfield fight overseas???
How many NON US fighters has Holyfield beaten at Heavyweight?



Holyfield fought twice in Europe, and he beat a few.

[Caliboxing]

Why are the Americans scared of fighting the Champ in Wales?

Joe just sold out over 50,000 seats for his last fight. THERE is your reason why there is no point in him fighting in the USA.

Do you really think he is bothered if the American's don't support him? Is Hopkins bothered that he doesn't have many Welsh fans?


If Joe only wants British fans, that's fine then.

[thesandman]

Holyfield fought twice in Europe, and he beat a few.

You're right about twice, I thought it was once, I didn't know about the cruiser fight.

However, as a Heavy, Holy has only beaten TWO non US fighters, and had ONE fight outside the US.

(Adilson Rodriguez and Fres. Yep, I had to look those up.....)


That's my point. Was Holy scared to fight outside the US, or against Non US fighters???
I wouldn't say so, but why is this "You must leave your country" rule applied only to NON US fighters?????

[Caliboxing]

You're right about twice, I thought it was once, I didn't know about the cruiser fight.

However, as a Heavy, Holy has only beaten TWO non US fighters, and had ONE fight outside the US.

(Adilson Rodriguez and Fres. Yep, I had to look those up.....)


That's my point. Was Holy scared to fight outside the US, or against Non US fighters???
I wouldn't say so, but why is this "You must leave your country" rule applied only to NON US fighters?????


When Holyfield was in his prime there weren't many European heavyweight champions to fight outside the US. Name some heavyweights that he could have fought in Europe. I can name a few fighters that Calzaghe could have fought here that would make money.

[thesandman]

When Holyfield was in his prime there weren't many European heavyweight champions to fight outside the US. Name some heavyweights that he could have fought in Europe. I can name a few fighters that Calzaghe could have fought here that would make money.

Andrew Golota
Razor Ruddock (Canadian yes, but this is about leaving your own country sin't it?....)
Lennox Lewis
Frank Bruno


Right off the top of my head.

[Bodysnatcher]

It is completely ridiculous to say Joe would never lose a decision in Wales or the UK and mention the words `Sven Ottke` as a comparison.

The UK is not Germany and Joe has NEVER been involved in a controversial decision, except perhaps Robin Reid, and that was in an English city against an English fighter...and he got the decision.

Sven Ottke was handed gift decisions in Germany he didn't deserve by institutionally biased judges.

I'm not saying bad decisions don't happen in the UK for home fighters, but no more so than in the States for American fighters.

You know, strange as it may be to some North Americans, Europe is not one giant unified entity and each nation does have its own standards and traditions.

[Bodysnatcher]

On the question of whether Joe should fight in America...I'd say it's absolutely essential that he does in order to cement his legacy and I totally understand the attitude of many American fight fans towards him.

Joe should be desperate to fight top name Americans in Vegas or New York.

America is boxing's capital and every fighter should want to make his name there.

[Caliboxing]

Andrew Golota
Razor Ruddock (Canadian yes, but this is about leaving your own country sin't it?....)
Lennox Lewis
Frank Bruno


Right off the top of my head.


What's the point of fighting Golota in Europe, he wasn't even champion.
Bruno also didn't any belts.
Lewis was already fighting most of his fights in America and wasn't calling Holyfield to fight in Europe.
Razor Ruddock also.

[In_FlaMeS]

Real Champ fight all around the world... this is why we call them WORLD CHAMP.

[PolishPummler]

Andrew Golota
Razor Ruddock (Canadian yes, but this is about leaving your own country sin't it?....)
Lennox Lewis
Frank Bruno


Right off the top of my head.

Golota was US based from day 1.
Why fight in Canada?
Only after he made noise did you except Lennox.Lennox was the one who wanted to come here and make a name for himself.
Bruno are you kidding me?Who would travel that distance to take on a 1 time 1 fight only champ.I dont know if made financial sense for anyone to travel and take on a career contender in his back yard.

[Drexl]

Real Champ fight all around the world... this is why we call them WORLD CHAMP.

So 99% of the American champs aren't "real" world champs then?

Thanks for clearing that up. :good

[drvooh]

Why are the Americans scared of fighting the Champ in Wales?

Joe just sold out over 50,000 seats for his last fight. THERE is your reason why there is no point in him fighting in the USA.

Do you really think he is bothered if the American's don't support him? Is Hopkins bothered that he doesn't have many Welsh fans? Hey Drex...it also may very well be that USA judges are as bad for him, as Germanys' are for amrican fighters

[Ted Stickles]

You can make the argument of why wont he fight here and why we wont fight there,I honestly see it as 2 things
....

1.There is comfort in your own backyard
2.its hard to go back after you sould out 50,000 seats

[drvooh]

What's the difference?


See above. How many times have these guys left their comfort zone???


Evander Holyfield.
Riddick Bowe
Floyd Mayweather
Sugar Ray Leonard Good Pernt, Ali was almost the only USA fighter to fight anyone anywhere:hi:

[Caliboxing]

Yes, and Ali is considered an ATG by fans the world over. Calzaghe wants that too right?

[thesandman]

Yes, and Ali is considered an ATG by fans the world over. Calzaghe wants that too right?

Does Hopkins?

[sallycinnamon]

Real Champ fight all around the world... this is why we call them WORLD CHAMP.

thats funny i thought they were world champs because they beat the best fighter that a world organisation has at the time.

[thesandman]

Golota was US based from day 1.
Why fight in Canada?
Only after he made noise did you except Lennox.Lennox was the one who wanted to come here and make a name for himself.
Bruno are you kidding me?Who would travel that distance to take on a 1 time 1 fight only champ.I dont know if made financial sense for anyone to travel and take on a career contender in his back yard.

You can take anything apart if you want to. If you want to apply those rules, then why should Calzaghe travel to fight Hopkins?

Hopkins has NO belts. Lost TWICE recently to a guy that's just been battered, and is fighting 2 weight classes above his best, and could barely be called an active fighter.

Calzaghe has just won 2 belts from a young, undefeated champ, and has never been defeated himself.

[sallycinnamon]

On the question of whether Joe should fight in America...I'd say it's absolutely essential that he does in order to cement his legacy and I totally understand the attitude of many American fight fans towards him.

Joe should be desperate to fight top name Americans in Vegas or New York.

America is boxing's capital and every fighter should want to make his name there.

top american fighters should be scrambling over the selfs to fight him in wales. to be the best you have to fight the best. he is champ his legacy is cemented. no one can re write the record books.

yanks get off your high horse about the "boxing capital of the world". if you need to travel to be rated and cement your legacy then i put a large ? over floyd mayweather if that is how legacy is cemented.your excuse of the champ doesnt have to travel wont work on this one. the only reason america has such a pool of fighters is mainly due to south americans and other nationalities and the fact that there countries are corrupt or poor. were did winky go when know yank pussy would fight him. uk. you know why cause we will fight anyone. oh and isnt it bernard hopkins who is pulling out of the calzaghe fight, and hopkins who out priced him self out of the fight a few years ago after agreeing to a fight and money and then coming back a day later with double the financial demand.

taken from bbc.com.


Undisputed super-middleweight champion Calzaghe, 35, targeted American legend Hopkins following his victory over Dane Kessler earlier this month.
****** apparently opened talks with Hopkins' representatives, Golden Boy Promotions, over a possible match in New York in the spring.
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But Hopkins, a notoriously tough negotiator, has been told by his trainer to forget about a fight with Calzaghe

[cuchulain]

Yes, and Ali is considered an ATG by fans the world over. Calzaghe wants that too right?

Ali was NOT an ATG.

(That's a bit like saying that a cadillac is the Rolls Royce of cars)



Ali was the GREATEST.

[Caliboxing]

You can take anything apart if you want to. If you want to apply those rules, then why should Calzaghe travel to fight Hopkins?

Hopkins has NO belts. Lost TWICE recently to a guy that's just been battered, and is fighting 2 weight classes above his best, and could barely be called an active fighter.

Calzaghe has just won 2 belts from a young, undefeated champ, and has never been defeated himself.


Hopkins accomplishments are respected in the US and it would be great for Joe to fight him here. If Joe was to beat some American champs in America, it would do wonders for his legacy. His greatness would not be be questioned.

[Caliboxing]

Ali was NOT an ATG.

(That's a bit like saying that a cadillac is the Rolls Royce of cars)



Ali was the GREATEST.


My bad, He was the greatest.

[younghov2k4]

Calzaghe should be scared to fight in the america. he has too much to lose if he comes over here and doesn't look as impressive as he does at home.

right now he is in the top 5 pfp but there's still a big question mark over his career about how great he really his. as great as the people in Wales think he is, he has yet to truly prove himself to the rest of the world.


you Calzaghe fans really should want him to come to the u.s. and show what he is really made of. that way there won't be any controversy or doubts. :good

[pudding]

He said he's coming to the US but now it looks like he's staying in the UK to fight Woods. Lennox Lewis, Ricky Hatton, Clinton Woods, David Haye, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Nasim Hamed, etc. have fought in the US. What's holding Calzaghe back? I guess that's how highly he thinks of American fans. How do you expect American fans to support him then?



He is allergic to small paychecks.

[Caliboxing]

He is allergic to small paychecks.


Is not like I'm asking him to come here and fight for chump change, he'll be well paid. How much did he make for his last fight?

[PH|LLA]

He isn't scared to fight in america dumbass. Noone worthwhile is willing to fight him in america, exept maybe Hopkins. At least in the Europe there are people with the balls to fight him. Calzaghe fights wherever the fight will make most money.

[Rumsfeld]

Calzaghe is scared shitless of the prospect of losing to "Old Man" Hopkins. Unlike his delusional, yet loyal, hard-core fans, Calzaghe realizes he is biting off more than he can chew and that he does not stand a prayer in hell against a superior specimen, one Bernard Hopkins.

:smoke

[thesandman]

right now he is in the top 5 pfp but there's still a big question mark over his career about how great he really his. as great as the people in Wales think he is, he has yet to truly prove himself to the rest of the world.


you Calzaghe fans really should want him to come to the u.s. and show what he is really made of. that way there won't be any controversy or doubts. :good

What doubts are there?

He smashed the US's best super middleweight so badly it wouldn't have mattered if they fought in Antarctica.

He beat Kessler, the best the rest of the world has to offer.

So - after proving to the US, Europe and by that, presumably the rest of the world - what more does he need to prove? Seriously?


Hopkins accomplishments are respected in the US and it would be great for Joe to fight him here. If Joe was to beat some American champs in America, it would do wonders for his legacy. His greatness would not be be questioned.

That's pretty fair to be honest.

[cuchulain]

Calzaghe is scared shitless of the prospect of losing to "Old Man" Hopkins. Unlike his delusional, yet loyal, hard-core fans, Calzaghe realizes he is biting off more than he can chew and that he does not stand a prayer in hell against a superior specimen, one Bernard Hopkins.

:smoke

Did you watch Bernard's last fight?

Did you watch Joe's?


Need I ask more?

[PolishPummler]

You can take anything apart if you want to. If you want to apply those rules, then why should Calzaghe travel to fight Hopkins?

Hopkins has NO belts. Lost TWICE recently to a guy that's just been battered, and is fighting 2 weight classes above his best, and could barely be called an active fighter.

Calzaghe has just won 2 belts from a young, undefeated champ, and has never been defeated himself.

I dont recall mentioning Joe vs Hopkins.

Joe vs anyone at MSG or Vegas on the WORLD Boxing stage would have done him wonders.

[Caliboxing]

Joe should be in a rush to fight Hopkins then. Why isn't it happening?

[See Me Flow]

So - after proving to the US, Europe and by that, presumably the rest of the world - what more does he need to prove? Seriously?

Fight in the states in a hostile environment.

[cuchulain]

Joe should be in a rush to fight Hopkins then. Why isn't it happening?


Why should Joe be in a rush for such a fight.

Seven or eight years ago, it wold hve been competitive.

Today, it's a mismatch.

What does Joe gain from this victory?

The scalp of a once-great fighter who is well past his best?

He should be fighting the best of the current crop: Dawson, or the victor of Pavlik Taylor.

[See Me Flow]

Why should Joe be in a rush for such a fight.

Seven or eight years ago, it wold hve been competitive.

Today, it's a mismatch.

What does Joe gain from this victory?

The scalp of a once-great fighter who is well past his best?

He should be fighting the best of the current crop: Dawson, or the victor of Pavlik Taylor.

Well, if the fight is such a mismatch, there's no reason for Calzaghe not to fight Hopkins in the states, right?

[Caliboxing]

Why should Joe be in a rush for such a fight.

Seven or eight years ago, it wold hve been competitive.

Today, it's a mismatch.

What does Joe gain from this victory?

The scalp of a once-great fighter who is well past his best?

He should be fighting the best of the current crop: Dawson, or the victor of Pavlik Taylor.




He should be in a rush to fight Hopkins because they think it's an easy fight against a past it fighter. If that's the case, shouldn't they want an easy fight that will be good for his legacy.

[magnificentdave]

All I have to say is... Look at Lennox Lewis.. He wasn't afraid to come to America... and now he has as many fans in the US as he does around the rest of the world, because he put his legacy on the line...

[sues2nd]

What's the difference?


See above. How many times have these guys left their comfort zone???


Evander Holyfield.
Riddick Bowe
Floyd Mayweather
Sugar Ray Leonard

Um, you serious?

The bigger fights from a money and exposure standpoint are in the US.

Hell, go watch the lead up to the Manfredo fight and hear Joe say it with his OWN MOUTH...something along the lines of wanting to fight a BIG NAME for BIG MONEY on the BIG STAGE!

Why do people suddenly forget this???

:verysad

[cuchulain]

He should be in a rush to fight Hopkins because they think it's an easy fight against a past it fighter. If that's the case, shouldn't they want an easy fight that will be good for his legacy.

It would only be good for his legacy among those who think Bernard is still a top notch boxer at 168 or 175. He isn't, and he never was.

He's an ATG, even a legend, at 160.

I don't care if he fights BHop at this stage. I just believe that Dawson, Pavlik and Taylor are all better, more credible opponents at this time.

(Remember, Bernard couldn't beat the weakest of those three, in two tries)

On the other hand, legacy-wise, some future observers won't realize that it was not the PRIME version of the executioner that Joe faced and they might feel it will be a great accomplishment for Joe.


But I don't put much stock in Marciano's defeat of Louis, Holmes' defeat of Ali, Tyson's defeat of Holmes or Holyfiield's defeat of Foreman.

(Nor Norris over Sugar Ray, nor, for that matter, Taylor over Bernard)

[gambleer]

You're right about twice, I thought it was once, I didn't know about the cruiser fight.

However, as a Heavy, Holy has only beaten TWO non US fighters, and had ONE fight outside the US.

(Adilson Rodriguez and Fres. Yep, I had to look those up.....)


That's my point. Was Holy scared to fight outside the US, or against Non US fighters???
I wouldn't say so, but why is this "You must leave your country" rule applied only to NON US fighters?????

Sad to remember the day Holyfield beat my compatriot Adilson "Maguila" Rodrigues. Holy put Maguila to sleep in the second round. I think Maguila is still spleeping after that KO.
Maguila is a living-legend here in Brazil, some steps behind Popo. Popo is respect by the media, but Maguila is the clown of TV because his lack of inteligence.

[Ziggy Montana]

Because he'll be too old to box by the time he makes it pass the airport security check. :D

[Caliboxing]

It would only be good for his legacy among those who think Bernard is still a top notch boxer at 168 or 175. He isn't, and he never was.

He's an ATG, even a legend, at 160.

I don't care if he fights BHop at this stage. I just believe that Dawson, Pavlik and Taylor are all better, more credible opponents at this time.

(Remember, Bernard couldn't beat the weakest of those three, in two tries)

On the other hand, legacy-wise, some future observers won't realize that it was not the PRIME version of the executioner that Joe faced and they might feel it will be a great accomplishment for Joe.


But I don't put much stock in Marciano's defeat of Louis, Holmes' defeat of Ali, Tyson's defeat of Holmes or Holyfiield's defeat of Foreman.

(Nor Norris over Sugar Ray, nor, for that matter, Taylor over Bernard)



The Hopkins fight makes the most sense right now because of his experience. The other fighters you mentioned are a little green right now but they will also be great opponents for Joe in the near future.

[cuchulain]

The Hopkins fight makes the most sense right now because of his experience. The other fighters you mentioned are a little green right now but they will also be great opponents for Joe in the near future.


Fine by me.

I'd like Bernard to win his last fight.

(Miranda, Green, even maybe Pavlik)

Calzaghe is a great fight in some ways for Bernard. If he pulls it off, his status becomes even more legendary.

If he loses, he was never expected to win.

Sort of like Oscar against Bernard.

The only way Oscar was going to win that was if Bernard suddenly got old.

And that didn't happen.

[Taffyy]

Fight in the states in a hostile environment.
Hostile..............:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
My Mrs is more Hostile when its games off week .......!!!!!!!!!!!
A young welshman fighting in England or an Englishman going to Scotland early in his career is a more hostile enviroment than anything America can come up with.....:roll:

[K2ray]

Hostile..............:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
My Mrs is more Hostile when its games off week .......!!!!!!!!!!!
A young welshman fighting in England or an Englishman going to Scotland early in his career is a more hostile enviroment than anything America can come up with.....:roll:
not only are you ignorant about life, but your a fool!

Calzaghe fans probably outnumbered the number of Robin Reed/Woodhall fans..going to England is like a walk to the neighbours. What the fuck is hostile about that?

..The boy's legacy is in question until he goes over to America..as fas as I'm concerned the likes of Benn, Honeyghan, Lewis are higher in my best of british list for the simple fact that they went over to America and beat there was to face...

I'm Britsh and I'm telling our American friends: Calzaghe needs to travel across the atlantic to face your best.:deal

[Strike]

If Joe only wants British fans, that's fine then.

That is the problem of myopic Americans not Calzaghe. Why do US fighters still have UK fans? Because we don't have our heads stuck up our ass thinking that someone is not worth watching or supporting unless they fight here.

If I was a pro fighter then personally I would want to fight at Madison Square Garden and in Vegas, just like Hatton wants to. But if you are selling out 50,000 seater stadiums and you are the undisputed number 1 at your class why the fuck should you travel to fight in front of 6,000 fans because American fans wont support or rate you if you don't?

The US fans with any knowledge or objectivity will, the ones who say you are crap because you have not fought there are the same ones who picked Lacy by brutal KO and then said he was crap, ie jingoistic twats who are not worht worrying about.

Calzaghe has said he will fight Hopkins in the US. Hopkins is now saying he wants RJJ...so thats that.

[K2ray]

Calzaghe has said he will fight Hopkins in the US. Hopkins is now saying he wants RJJ...so thats that.

Then he should take a pay-cut/drop ******, etc just to make the fight happen. The dude needs to keep his word (about wanting the big fights in the USA) otherwise he looks silly:roll:

[sues2nd]

Um, you serious?

The bigger fights from a money and exposure standpoint are in the US.

Hell, go watch the lead up to the Manfredo fight and hear Joe say it with his OWN MOUTH...something along the lines of wanting to fight a BIG NAME for BIG MONEY on the BIG STAGE!

Why do people suddenly forget this???

:verysad

Shit...had to quote myself here....

I REPEAT!!!! WHY ARE PEOPLE FORGETTING THIS????

(or better yet, ignoring it.....hmmmmmm :huh )

[Taffyy]

not only are you ignorant about life, but your a fool!

Calzaghe fans probably outnumbered the number of Robin Reed/Woodhall fans..going to England is like a walk to the neighbours. What the fuck is hostile about that?

..The boy's legacy is in question until he goes over to America..as fas as I'm concerned the likes of Benn, Honeyghan, Lewis are higher in my best of british list for the simple fact that they went over to America and beat there was to face...

I'm Britsh and I'm telling our American friends: Calzaghe needs to travel across the atlantic to face your best.:deal
K2ray........As for as life goes SON , I have a wardrobe full of T-Shirts so fuck off on that score, Secondly dont call me a fool after some of the fucking tripe you have posted on here...:patsch
I have been to a lowly pro fights all over England & as a Welshman its fucking scary & intimidating mate , You obviously have'nt experienced the York Hall from a Welsh fighters perspective so dont tell me its a walk in the park you fucking ignorant fool.
The point I was making that the US , while a test is far from Hostile , Mexico or Peurto Rico YES but not the states.
Since your knowledge of boxing is so great...:patsch ....Who are the best that he has to face in America......?????????? Its not about that you fucking herbet as there is'nt anyone from a skill level about over there its all about money now for Joe.
P.S. pop in my local with your english accent airing your views , It's be a walk in the park......:rofl :rofl :rofl

[See Me Flow]

Hostile..............:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
My Mrs is more Hostile when its games off week .......!!!!!!!!!!!
A young welshman fighting in England or an Englishman going to Scotland early in his career is a more hostile environment than anything America can come up with.....:roll:

My dear friend Taffy. If Calzaghe were to fight in New York (my hometown) at Madison Square Garden in front of a ruckus crowd, Calzaghe would definitely feel the heat. New York boxing fans would come out to support Hopkins. And, being a native New Yorker, I'm well aware how New Yorkers can be loud and volatile in a environment such as MSG. Mind you, if Calzaghe chose to fight Dawson in NY, Dawson would also have fan support arriving throughout the tri-state area since Dawson is a resident of Connecticut.

NY boxing fans support the fighters they like. Don't assume Hopkins is not liked in New York. That being said, there's no reason for Calzaghe not to make a fight with Hops or Dawson. Calzaghe said himself he wants to fights in the states. Here's his chance. If indeed Calzaghe is sincere, it's time for him to put up or shut up.

:bbb

[sean]

calzaghe likes hometown advantage and has said so many times .

he has not tried to hide this fact.

he is the draw and as such his promoter has been able to accomadate him.

now if he is not the draw and can get paid a lot more to fight in his opponents backyard than the same fight makes in the millenium stadium then in his mind it would make sense to travel.

[See Me Flow]

Every fighter likes hometown advantage. I understand that, Sean. However, if Calzaghe says he wants to fight in the states then he should be a man of his word.

[Taffyy]

Hello Flow my esteemed esb buddy.....Alot of what I said is tongue in cheek & I went off on a bit of a tangent with K2ray as I have experienced hostility within the UK & he obviously has'nt..!!!
As far as Joe is concerned I really think that unless the money is right the Hopkins fight is'nt going to happen , Personally I'd like to see Joe come to the states & fight a genuine challenger , something I dont think at this stage Hopkins is. Dawson or even Pavlik from a "fight" perspective would be superb but I cant see the money being there.......

[sean]

despite the rhetoric from calzaghe he will only fight in the states if he gets paid a fair bit more money than the same fight would get him fighting at home.

boxers say things all the time that they never follow through on, and calzaghe can be a prime example of this time and again.

[See Me Flow]

For the record I want everybody to know I think Calzaghe is an elite fighter - which is why I would like to see him fight in the states. I didn't regard Calzaghe very high until he beat Lacy. Yes, that is true, I originally thought Calzaghe would get broke in half by Lacy. Obviously I changed my tune. However, if Calzaghe wants to fight in the states whats holding him back? Does he need overwhelming hometown crowd support to win fights?

[K2ray]

Personally I'd like to see Joe come to the states & fight a genuine challenger
Laffy Taffyy, here's a great example of how much of a fool you are:lol:...This quote from you suggests that you reside in the states...oh yeah thick idiot, you should have written 'go' to the states..so where the fuck do you live? (if its in America then you will surely know that things can get extremely hostile at boxing venues there.) Try the Bowe v Golota fight at a much bigger venue fitting more hostile folks than in York Hall!:good

[stuistylee]

Golota was US based from day 1.
Why fight in Canada?
Only after he made noise did you except Lennox.Lennox was the one who wanted to come here and make a name for himself.
Bruno are you kidding me?Who would travel that distance to take on a 1 time 1 fight only champ.I dont know if made financial sense for anyone to travel and take on a career contender in his back yard.spot on mate...sometimes i just cant b fkd eplaining myself 2 people

[K2ray]

For the record I want everybody to know I think Calzaghe is an elite fighter - which is why I would like to see him fight in the states. I didn't regard Calzaghe very high until he beat Lacy. Yes, that is true, I originally thought Calzaghe would get broke in half by Lacy. Obviously I changed my tune. However, if Calzaghe wants to fight in the states whats holding him back? Does he need overwhelming hometown crowd support to win fights?

:good Agree entirely (other than I predicted he would beat Lacy).

[ThePlugInBabies]

Shit...had to quote myself here....

I REPEAT!!!! WHY ARE PEOPLE FORGETTING THIS????

(or better yet, ignoring it.....hmmmmmm :huh )

i'd like to remind you that HOPKINS was the one that called out calzaghe after the winky wright fight. i'd also like to remind you that it was one of HOPKINS men who also came out in the past few days and claimed they were more interested in the winner of RJJ-tito.

[sues2nd]

i'd like to remind you that HOPKINS was the one that called out calzaghe after the winky wright fight. i'd also like to remind you that it was one of HOPKINS men who also came out in the past few days and claimed they were more interested in the winner of RJJ-tito.

Again, dodging the point that Joe had already expressed his desire to fight a big name on the big stage for big money. And at and around his weight class, there isnt a bigger name than Bernard, a bigger stage than the US and he wont get a bigger payday than this one.

HE SAID THIS FIRST!!!!

THEN the Winky fight happened....with Bernard being the one to call him out.

THEN Joe beat Kessler and basically did the same thing back.

THEN ****** stated they would go ANYWHERE to fight Bernard.

THEN, apparently GBP offered Joe 8m LBS or 16m USD...or the opposite depending on what report you read. Either way, more than Joe has EVER made in a fight....not including his PPV cut.

THEN, ****** mentioned Pavlik's name as a fight he would want instead....then Woods.

THEN the RJJ, Tito thing was brought up....but Bernard himself has stated MANY times he doesnt want that fight....so that is a crock anyway.

Again, you can leave out as much as you want....but facts are facts.

I, unlike most of the lot on here am a HUGE fan of both fighters....but fair is fair.

Nice attempt to answer my question without ever even coming close to answering it.

:hi:

[Taffyy]

Laffy Taffyy, here's a great example of how much of a fool you are:lol:...This quote from you suggests that you reside in the states...oh yeah thick idiot, you should have written 'go' to the states..so where the fuck do you live? (if its in America then you will surely know that things can get extremely hostile at boxing venues there.) Try the Bowe v Golota fight at a much bigger venue fitting more hostile folks than in York Hall!:good
K2ray......Your a cunt ......:good If you'd read my post properly you'd know where I was from , Im pretty sure I have had more experience than you in re: travelling to hostile venues you fuckin idiot.
Fuck I really hate keyboard boxers....:bbb

[BOOKA]

I'd like to see Joe fight in America but if he don't he don't, whether you like him or hate him anyone with half a brain can tell he has been the best Super Middle Weight for many years, now thats plain to see by watching him box, doesn't matter whther or not he has fought at home.

And is their a light heavy out there who people genuinely think is currently better than Joe ?

Calzaghe v Woods would be a big fight over here.

I'd love him to fight Hopkins, but wont lose sleep if he don't because if a deal got done and he went to the US and beat Hopkins, the same retards who whine about him not leaving his comfort zone, would then find sopmething else to whine about like Hopkins being past it.

If Calzaghe had fought every fighter he couldve at their prime and fought them all in the south Pole people would still find reasons to not respect him

So the whole thing just becomes a bit boring

[Taffyy]

Taffy, It would be great if you don't speak about the hostility of American fans when you obviously dont have a fuckin clue. You don't see me claiming to an expert on the behavior of British fans.. but then again, even if I did know how they behave, I wouldn't be using that as an argument for why a fighter shouldnt fight in specific country. Thats a weakass argument, dude.

America has some of the rowdiest sports fans in the world btw
Yeh your right I know nothing about fight fans in america or boxing in general......sorry...:patsch

[Taffyy]

I'd like to see Joe fight in America but if he don't he don't, whether you like him or hate him anyone with half a brain can tell he has been the best Super Middle Weight for many years, now thats plain to see by watching him box, doesn't matter whther or not he has fought at home.

And is their a light heavy out there who people genuinely think is currently better than Joe ?

Calzaghe v Woods would be a big fight over here.

I'd love him to fight Hopkins, but wont lose sleep if he don't because if a deal got done and he went to the US and beat Hopkins, the same retards who whine about him not leaving his comfort zone, would then find sopmething else to whine about like Hopkins being past it.

If Calzaghe had fought every fighter he couldve at their prime and fought them all in the south Pole people would still find reasons to not respect him

So the whole thing just becomes a bit boring
Good post.....:good
Its generally the whinning fucking yanks........Jesus after being on here for a few yrs I can see why on the whole they are universally hated..

[K2ray]

K2ray......Your a cunt ......:good If you'd read my post properly you'd know where I was from , Im pretty sure I have had more experience than you in re: travelling to hostile venues you fuckin idiot.
Fuck I really hate keyboard boxers....:bbb

Well any normal intelligent person would understand what you mean, it's just that you make yourself look a fool when you make your point using bad grammar.

Anyway what's your response to my example of the Bowe/Golota MSG fight?:deal

Laffy Taffyy, why dont you just fucking admit Calzaghe needs to go to over there!

[ThePlugInBabies]

Again, dodging the point that Joe had already expressed his desire to fight a big name on the big stage for big money. And at and around his weight class, there isnt a bigger name than Bernard, a bigger stage than the US and he wont get a bigger payday than this one.

...and it may very well still happen, nothing has been finalised yet.

THEN the Winky fight happened....with Bernard being the one to call him out.

THEN Joe beat Kessler and basically did the same thing back.

THEN ****** stated they would go ANYWHERE to fight Bernard.

:yep

THEN, apparently GBP offered Joe 8m LBS or 16m USD...or the opposite depending on what report you read. Either way, more than Joe has EVER made in a fight....not including his PPV cut.

:roll:

yeah, cause they'd pay calzaghe more to fight hopkins than what floyd is getting to fight hatton, and that 16mil doesn't include the money to frank ****** to allow GBP to promote the fight alone. wake up and smell the coffee.

THEN, ****** mentioned Pavlik's name as a fight he would want instead....then Woods.

THEN the RJJ, Tito thing was brought up....but Bernard himself has stated MANY times he doesnt want that fight....so that is a crock anyway.

so woods comes out and talks about a potnetial fight with joe and ****** mentions pavliks name and some casual talks with woods people, OH IT MUST BE TRUE!!

someone from hopkins camp mentions the tito-RJJ winner as a more attractive option, OH IT MUST BE BULLSHIT!!

biased much?

Again, you can leave out as much as you want....but facts are facts.

I, unlike most of the lot on here am a HUGE fan of both fighters....but fair is fair.

Nice attempt to answer my question without ever even coming close to answering it.

:hi:

facts are facts, nothing has been finalised or signed yet, both camps are acting like fucktards and trying to force the other into making a serious move.

what was your question?

[sues2nd]

Good post.....:good
Its generally the whinning fucking yanks........Jesus after being on here for a few yrs I can see why on the whole they are universally hated..

:verysad

Wow....just wow....nationalistic bullshit hatred at its best. Atta way to clog all of us together, yet ignore the bullshit coming from beyond the Atlantic on your side as well. Pompus fuck....

[K2ray]

K2ray......Your a cunt ......:good If you'd read my post properly you'd know where I was from

Laffy Taffyy/Fool, it should read know where I was coming from:patsch

[Taffyy]

K2ray , Im not saying he does'nt need to go there but in my opinion there isnt anyone worth going there for . He just comfortably beat the other world class operator & its plainly obvious that Hopkins wants no part of him so come on PLEASE tell me who he is going to travel over there for.....????

[Taffyy]

[quote=K2ray]Laffy Taffyy/Fool, it should read know where I was coming

[K2ray]

K2ray , Im not saying he does'nt need to go there but in my opinion there isnt anyone worth going there for . He just comfortably beat the other world class operator & its plainly obvious that Hopkins wants no part of him so come on PLEASE tell me who he is going to travel over there for.....????

Well, if Dawson makes a statement and comfortably beating Diacaonu (a very tough fighter I might add), then he's your man and I like MSG NY, NY as the proposed venue:good

BTW, If your willing to have a decent/civilised conversation with me then I will likewise with you...

[Taffyy]

Sues......I happen to respect you as a poster but the amount of anti euro & especially british posts on here tend to force alot of sterotypical bullshit & for that I apologise , You know & I know to be recognised as an ATG you have to break the states but sadly for Joe the era of superfighters in his weightclass was missed by a few yrs & the good fighters who were available avoided him. Mine & alot of other JC fans frustration stems from the fact that he would have held his own with the prime American greats but never got the opportunity to do so thanks to a selfish manager & risk reward factor that kept the "names" away...........
Now the opportunity presents itself in the form of faded "greats" & the risk/reward thing is turned on its head , Seriously what is Joe supposed to do....???

[ThePlugInBabies]

Well, if Dawson makes a statement and comfortably beating Diacaonu (a very tough fighter I might add), then he's your man and I like MSG NY, NY as the proposed venue:good

BTW, If your willing to have a decent/civilised conversation with me then I will likewise with you...

two problems with that. if joe is to get his arse over to the states it will only be for a fight that makes big money, dawson can't make that sort yet, if dawson beats a name like tarver or jones after a potential win over diacaonu then the chances of a calzaghe-dawson fight may rise.

another problem is that joe is on HBO, and chad is a showtime boy.

fucking politics :twisted:

[K2ray]

No dickhead...........where I'm from
You asked where I lived retard....:good

Where you mentioned that sentence was in reference to my questioning of your statement about Calzaghe going to America (which you written as if you were in America by using the word: go)...

I was taking the piss with you when I questioned you about where you were located (besides, having Location: Newport...S.Wales underneath your avatar is a big giveaway about your whereabouts, don't you think?:roll:)

[K2ray]

two problems with that. if joe is to get his arse over to the states it will only be for a fight that makes big money, dawson can't make that sort yet, if dawson beats a name like tarver or jones after a potential win over diacaonu then the chances of a calzaghe-dawson fight may rise.

another problem is that joe is on HBO, and chad is a showtime boy.

fucking politics :twisted:
Fair point:good

[Taffyy]

Well, if Dawson makes a statement and comfortably beating Diacaonu (a very tough fighter I might add), then he's your man and I like MSG NY, NY as the proposed venue:good

BTW, If your willing to have a decent/civilised conversation with me then I will likewise with you...
I agree with Dawson but the only thing I fear from that match up is that if he wins it will be turned from an impressive victory to "Dawson was too green" a bit Lacyesque..!!!!
My biggest problem as I put in my previous post is that Joe simply cant win by fighting any of the names presented at the present time.....:?

[Cerberus]

Now the opportunity presents itself in the form of faded "greats" & the risk/reward thing is turned on its head , Seriously what is Joe supposed to do....???

Why does he have to fight Hopkins? Joe congratulated Pavlik after he beat Taylor and recognized him as THE middleweight champ. There's big money in a Pavlik/Calzaghe match, not to mention it would be a great fight for the fans. Chad Dawson would also be a good choice. Hopkins is not the only option!

[Taffyy]

two problems with that. if joe is to get his arse over to the states it will only be for a fight that makes big money, dawson can't make that sort yet, if dawson beats a name like tarver or jones after a potential win over diacaonu then the chances of a calzaghe-dawson fight may rise.

another problem is that joe is on HBO, and chad is a showtime boy.

fucking politics :twisted:
Exactly.....:?

[K2ray]

Sues......I happen to respect you as a poster but the amount of anti euro & especially british posts on here tend to force alot of sterotypical bullshit & for that I apologise , You know & I know to be recognised as an ATG you have to break the states but sadly for Joe the era of superfighters in his weightclass was missed by a few yrs & the good fighters who were available avoided him. Mine & alot of other JC fans frustration stems from the fact that he would have held his own with the prime American greats but never got the opportunity to do so thanks to a selfish manager & risk reward factor that kept the "names" away...........
Now the opportunity presents itself in the form of faded "greats" & the risk/reward thing is turned on its head , Seriously what is Joe supposed to do....???

I hear you. I guess on Calzaghe's HOF epitaph one could write: He was potentially an ATG, but the timing wasn't right (meaning timing to goto America to achieve that goal)..and was obstructed in doing so largely by a wanker callled ******!

[K2ray]

I agree with Dawson but the only thing I fear from that match up is that if he wins it will be turned from an impressive victory to "Dawson was too green" a bit Lacyesque..!!!!
My biggest problem as I put in my previous post is that Joe simply cant win by fighting any of the names presented at the present time.....:?

Taffyy, read my post above ^

[ThePlugInBabies]

I hear you. I guess on Calzaghe's HOF epitaph one could write: He was potentially an ATG, but the timing wasn't right (meaning timing to goto America to achieve that goal)..and was obstructed in doing so largely by a wanker callled ******!

terry marsh should have finished the job! :twisted:

[K2ray]

terry marsh should have finished the job! :twisted:

True:lol:

[sues2nd]

...and it may very well still happen, nothing has been finalised yet.

And I hope it does. Everyone who has interacted with me on this site over the years KNOWS I love BOTH of these fighters. Hell, I was one of the few "yanks" who KNEW Joe would take Lacy EASILY. Ive followed him since the Eubank fight and have always been impressed (moreso when I researched his career before that point).

And legacy wise, this is the fight that makes the most sense for both men. Money wise, the same.

But its the people that ignore that it wasnt Hopkins that first mentioned Joe coming over to the states for a megafight....when in fact, it was Joe himself that really gets to me. Everyone is ignoring this...claiming that by having the fight in the US its Hopkins way of ducking it...when if you look at it the correct way and fairly, Joe asked for it in the first place to be there.

Why is that so hard for people to remember? Because it doesnt fit their agenda? Because it blows their ducking claim out the window? Because it gives them an excuse if Calzaghe decides to back out and decline the trip over here?

Its fuckin sad....



:yep


So we agree here right?


:roll:

yeah, cause they'd pay calzaghe more to fight hopkins than what floyd is getting to fight hatton, and that 16mil doesn't include the money to frank ****** to allow GBP to promote the fight alone. wake up and smell the coffee.


Yes, they could pay Joe more than what Floyd is making. That shouldnt even be debatable when it comes to GBP. Floyd never made anything near the money he made fighting Oscar when GBP was offering the fight.

So to answer your sarcasm attempt....yes.....they could.

And trust me when I say, this would break 500k PPV buys easily (they broke 400k with Tarver for god sakes)...and being the final event at Yankee Stadium (the proposed venue), it could very well sell out (at 57k seats). Joe would make a KILLING, win or lose.

so woods comes out and talks about a potnetial fight with joe and ****** mentions pavliks name and some casual talks with woods people, OH IT MUST BE TRUE!!

Well, normally when your promoter mentions talks with a fighter, it tends to mean there are talks going on with a fighter.

BUT, I brought this up to show the NONSENSE that is going on around here. I for one dont believe Joe is ducking anyone....neither is Bernard, this fight means too much for both men, money wise and legacy wise.

I feel ****** mentioned the names as bargaining tools (other options so to say)...I think its a bs ploy, but a ploy promoters/agents/etc. use all the time.

someone from hopkins camp mentions the tito-RJJ winner as a more attractive option, OH IT MUST BE BULLSHIT!!

biased much?

Again, Bernard has mentioned MANY MANY times he has ZERO interest in a fight with either men. There are many, MANY videos to back this up. So yes, this is bullshit.

In fact, here is one for ya.

D-aaHaMU3nc

About 5 mins into it.

Take your time and use google, you will find a TON more. He knows those fights would mean NOTHING in the long run.


facts are facts, nothing has been finalised or signed yet, both camps are acting like fucktards and trying to force the other into making a serious move.

what was your question?

I agree....

My question was....why people are ignoring the fact that Joe has stated he wants to come and fight in the US. They keep using that Bernard wants it here as a ploy for him to weasel out of it....when the opposite is true.

[sues2nd]

Sues......I happen to respect you as a poster but the amount of anti euro & especially british posts on here tend to force alot of sterotypical bullshit & for that I apologise , You know & I know to be recognised as an ATG you have to break the states but sadly for Joe the era of superfighters in his weightclass was missed by a few yrs & the good fighters who were available avoided him. Mine & alot of other JC fans frustration stems from the fact that he would have held his own with the prime American greats but never got the opportunity to do so thanks to a selfish manager & risk reward factor that kept the "names" away...........
Now the opportunity presents itself in the form of faded "greats" & the risk/reward thing is turned on its head , Seriously what is Joe supposed to do....???

Its ok man (atta way to disarm my anger.....damn compliments....jk, thanks man :thumbsup ).

But seriously, and I mean this with every ounce of being in me. The anti-US sentiment is JUST as strong, if not worse than the anti-euro one. Its hard to see the other side of it.....and trust me, I know there are two sides of it....but daily on here I get the brunt of it. And I am generally regarded as an unbiased poster.

The sooner the good posters can see that it exists beyond just the walls of their own country, the less we will see of it around here.

[ThePlugInBabies]

And I hope it does. Everyone who has interacted with me on this site over the years KNOWS I love BOTH of these fighters. Hell, I was one of the few "yanks" who KNEW Joe would take Lacy EASILY. Ive followed him since the Eubank fight and have always been impressed (moreso when I researched his career before that point).

And legacy wise, this is the fight that makes the most sense for both men. Money wise, the same.

:good

But its the people that ignore that it wasnt Hopkins that first mentioned Joe coming over to the states for a megafight....when in fact, it was Joe himself that really gets to me. Everyone is ignoring this...claiming that by having the fight in the US its Hopkins way of ducking it...when if you look at it the correct way and fairly, Joe asked for it in the first place to be there.

didn't hopkins mention a fight with calzaghe at the yankee stadium before calzaghe-kessler?

Why is that so hard for people to remember? Because it doesnt fit their agenda? Because it blows their ducking claim out the window? Because it gives them an excuse if Calzaghe decides to back out and decline the trip over here?

Its fuckin sad....

personally if this doesn't happen then i can't see it being because of the fighters but because of ****** and GBP failing to come to an agreement.




So we agree here right?

ja.



Yes, they could pay Joe more than what Floyd is making. That shouldnt even be debatable when it comes to GBP. Floyd never made anything near the money he made fighting Oscar when GBP was offering the fight.

So to answer your sarcasm attempt....yes.....they could.

And trust me when I say, this would break 500k PPV buys easily (they broke 400k with Tarver for god sakes)...and being the final event at Yankee Stadium (the proposed venue), it could very well sell out (at 57k seats). Joe would make a KILLING, win or lose.

sorry but i really don't see how this is going to make more than mayweather-hatton. floyd is a big draw now off the back of dancing with stars and his megafight with de la hoya. so it would make no business sense paying calzaghe who will be earning less than hopkins more than what floyd is getting for a higher grossing fight.

will they really sell out the yankee stadium? winky-hopkins didn't sell out, i've heard tarver-hopkins didn't. you'll be banking on hopkins support here more than joe's, i can't see calzaghe bringing the crowds over from the UK that hatton does. oh and this won't be PPV in the UK like hatton-mayweather. this whole 16mil offer just doesn't sit right with me.



Well, normally when your promoter mentions talks with a fighter, it tends to mean there are talks going on with a fighter.

BUT, I brought this up to show the NONSENSE that is going on around here. I for one dont believe Joe is ducking anyone....neither is Bernard, this fight means too much for both men, money wise and legacy wise.

I feel ****** mentioned the names as bargaining tools (other options so to say)...I think its a bs ploy, but a ploy promoters/agents/etc. use all the time.


:yep


Again, Bernard has mentioned MANY MANY times he has ZERO interest in a fight with either men. There are many, MANY videos to back this up. So yes, this is bullshit.

In fact, here is one for ya.

D-aaHaMU3nc

About 5 mins into it.



Take your time and use google, you will find a TON more. He knows those fights would mean NOTHING in the long run.

can't watch youtube vids at work :?




I agree....

My question was....why people are ignoring the fact that Joe has stated he wants to come and fight in the US. They keep using that Bernard wants it here as a ploy for him to weasel out of it....when the opposite is true.

meh, i think both guys want it in the US and still think it will happen some time next year.

[Taffyy]

Why does he have to fight Hopkins? Joe congratulated Pavlik after he beat Taylor and recognized him as THE middleweight champ. There's big money in a Pavlik/Calzaghe, not to mention it would be a great fight. Chad Dawson would also be a good choice. Hopkins is not the only option!
I agree smoke but Joe is now LH so getting the fight weight for Pavlik could be a problem & anyway Kelly still has challenges at MW & SMW.
As I said Dawson would be great but politics & money are going to be the problem & without the money Joe isnt coming to America , He'll take the big british showdown & huge crowd that Woods brings which is not the route you'd take with legacy in mind but I dont think there's much else on offer....:?

[dodong]

Boxing historians won't be kind to JC suspect resume at this point. Bernard is the only fighter at his point that could catapult his status from a champion to a legend. You have to beat a legend to become a legend.

BHops with a resume that JC can only dream of maybe 42 but he's never been KO'd or dominated. He's a future HO Famer, underdog on his last 2 fights and won convincingly against these 2 top 10 P4P fighter. The risk for Calzaghe is, if he loses or win in an unimpressive fashion to this version of Hopkins, he will be brought down in the category of just another good champion.

The money that is reportedly offered by GBP is very reasonable. Now, will JC put it all on the line in America or just play it safe, and be happy to be a pseudo legend in Europe?

[sues2nd]

:good

:good

Right back atcha!!!!



didn't hopkins mention a fight with calzaghe at the yankee stadium before calzaghe-kessler?

Yes...he did. But leading up to the Manfredo fight (before both the Wright and Kessler fights for both fighters), Joe said he wanted a big money fight, against a big name over in the US. At and around his weight class, is there ANYONE who even comes close to matching those three things like Bernard does...love him or hate him?

So Hopkins called him out first, definately, but it was Joe himself who first expressed his desire to fight over here.



personally if this doesn't happen then i can't see it being because of the fighters but because of ****** and GBP failing to come to an agreement.

Sadly, your probably right. I blame ****** for Joe's lack of exposure over in the US more than I do Joe himself. And with GBP's need for control over most of the precedings, they are always a tough sell.....but they do bring the $$$$$.




ja.


:thumbsup




sorry but i really don't see how this is going to make more than mayweather-hatton. floyd is a big draw now off the back of dancing with stars and his megafight with de la hoya. so it would make no business sense paying calzaghe who will be earning less than hopkins more than what floyd is getting for a higher grossing fight.

It will. GBP PPVs always do great numbers. Like Oscar or not, the man is a first ballot HOFer on the buisiness side of things.

There is not that much of a following for Floyd here as one would think. Most people cant stand the fuck (myself included)....in all honesty. During the whole Oscar lead up he portrayed himself as a villian in a way. He aint as big as you would think....its his skills that attract the numbers, not him. Though I do think that whomever advised him to go on Dancing with the Stars is a genious...that alone probably got them another 100k buys.

Who knows tho.

Point is, when GBP is involved, you can be sure of one thing....PPV success. Their track record with even the smaller fights in amazing.

will they really sell out the yankee stadium? winky-hopkins didn't sell out, i've heard tarver-hopkins didn't. you'll be banking on hopkins support here more than joe's, i can't see calzaghe bringing the crowds over from the UK that hatton does. oh and this won't be PPV in the UK like hatton-mayweather. this whole 16mil offer just doesn't sit right with me.

Joe will bring a big crowd. Maybe not like Hatton does, but comparable. This will be his biggest fight (regardless of what one thinks of Bernard anymore)....and his following is tremendous over there.

Hopkins - Wright didnt do great gate numbers, but still had more than 305,000 PPV buys. Tarver had over 400,000.

Then you have to factor in that just the sheer fact of it being the VERY LAST (non-baseball) sporting event held in Yankee Stadium...a building RICH in boxing and sporting as a whole tradition...people will be lining up for tickets. Myself included.






:yep




can't watch youtube vids at work :?

Well, at around 5:20 he is asked about the winner of Tito - Jones...he says that 5 years ago maybe, 10 years ago definately...but now, it would be a waste. He says something like he would feel like he would be cheating the fans by asking them to spend their hard earned money on a fight that would only serve one purpose...a selfish one....him avenging a loss. He then goes on to say that the majority of boxing fans look at that loss as, early in his career, before his prime, his first title shot, etc.

Again, he has NO DESIRE in that fight.






meh, i think both guys want it in the US and still think it will happen some time next year.

As do I. As do I.

But I reallly have to go to sleep. You mentioned not being able to check youtube at work....but I have work in 6 hours....

:dead

[MachineGunMitch]

your going to have to come to him if you want to fight him.
I think its arrogance just to even ask the question
why doesnt he fight in america like we are so great-
why bother,I wouldent if I were him
Id stay at home and bust all commers........

America is no longer the boxing champ mecca it once was

[ThePlugInBabies]

BHops with a resume that JC can only dream of maybe 42 but he's never been KO'd or dominated.

complete and utter bullshit. just because wright, trinidad and de la hoya are big names doesn't detract from the fact they were all fighting above their natural weights, de la hoya and wright were way in over their heads and had no business fighting at LHW and MW.

[ThePlugInBabies]

But I reallly have to go to sleep. You mentioned not being able to check youtube at work....but I have work in 6 hours....:dead

alrighty sues, go hit the hay man, good talking with you again.

[sues2nd]

complete and utter bullshit. just because wright, trinidad and de la hoya are big names doesn't detract from the fact they were all fighting above their natural weights, de la hoya and wright were way in over their heads and had no business fighting at LHW and MW.

Ahhhh, but Hearns, Duran and Leonard were all above their natural and best weights....but noone would debate the merits of Hagler's record....


A[Only registered and activated users can see links] damn dont do this to me.....I have to go to bed.

:twisted:

Goodnight...I cant, I really cant get into it.

:lol:

[joe the great]

Maybe because he knows Americans are bad asses.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Ahhhh, but Hearns, Duran and Leonard were all above their natural and best weights....but noone would debate the merits of Hagler's record....


A[Only registered and activated users can see links] damn dont do this to me.....I have to go to bed.

:twisted:

Goodnight...I cant, I really cant get into it.

:lol:

but de la hoya blows!!!!............











go to bed!!
:tong

[Taffyy]

Maybe because he knows Americans are bad asses.
Sues.....!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have a word with him mate....:rofl

[ThePlugInBabies]

Maybe because he knows Americans are bad asses.

time to turn off your kid rock CD.

[Taffyy]

time to turn off your kid rock CD.
:rofl :rofl :rofl

[Dorfmeister]

What's holding Calzaghe back?

He knows that half of his act is based on thousands screamin n intimidating his opponent so that he can do what he does n the other guy doesn't. I don't believe Calzaghe would perform as good in the States and even if he would, that could not be good enough to get away with it - bottom line is that he may not have public wanting to pay to see him fight there, it all depends against whom he fights there. Bernard would be a wise choice from the finantial point of view but Joe is not certain if he can really beat him now so he skips that one and possibly fights him when he's 44 or something... I don't believe he'd fight Dawson either.

[Taffyy]

He knows that half of his act is based on thousands screamin n intimidating his opponent so that he can do what he does n the other guy doesn't. I don't believe Calzaghe would perform as good in the States and even if he would, that could not be good enough to get away with it - bottom line is that he may not have public wanting to pay to see him fight there, it all depends against whom he fights there. Bernard would be a wise choice from the finantial point of view but Joe is not certain if he can really beat him now so he skips that one and possibly fights him when he's 44 or something... I don't believe he'd fight Dawson either.
Bollocks.....:patsch

[ayala]

he comes here his 0 will go

[ThePlugInBabies]

he comes here his 0 will go

:roll:

another well thought out post.

[Taffyy]

:patsch...........Give me strength

[Taffyy]

he comes here his 0 will go
:patsch

[David UK]

Calzaghe wants to fight Hopkins and has said he will travel to the USA to make the fight. But as we all; know, Borenard has shat himself as he didn't think for one minute that Calzaghe would agree to fight him in America. So now Borenard has to find another way to scupper the match. In the meantime,Calzaghe is in talks with Woods in case the Hopkins fighht breaks down(as likely). Now what would the point of Calzaghe v Woods in the USA?

[Rumsfeld]

Did you watch Bernard's last fight?

Did you watch Joe's?

I did.

Hopkins fought a pound-for-pound elite; Joe beat up the best challenger in a weak-ass division.

Did you have an actual point?

:smoke

[ThePlugInBabies]

I did.

Hopkins fought a pound-for-pound elite; Joe beat up the best challenger in a weak-ass division.

Did you have an actual point?

:smoke

...and kessler smashes wee little winky into next week.

:rasta

[Rumsfeld]

Calzaghe has said he will fight Hopkins in the US. Hopkins is now saying he wants RJJ...so thats that.

Calzaghe is a piece of shit.

:smoke

[Sedona]

I only wish Joe would stop saying that he wants to fight in America if he doesn't really mean it. It makes him look bad over here.
btw, I think Joe would whip Bernard and Roy or whomever we put in front of him.

[Drexl]

I did.

Hopkins fought a pound-for-pound elite; Joe beat up the best challenger in a weak-ass division.


You missed a part of that sentence out:

Hopkins fought a pound-for-pound elite from a weak-ass division who was past his prime and and way above his natural weight, and Hopkins still looked like shit; Joe beat up the best challenger in a weak-ass division, who was in his prime and undefeated.



There, that's better. :good

[Dorfmeister]

:patsch...........Give me strength

No, I will not give you strength but I'll give you te benefit of the doubt cause Joe said to Setanta's Steve Bunce that Bernard Hopkins is the best fight at 175 and he's willing to go wherever, MSG, Yankee Stadium, Vegas and I do believe him in part. Steve feels that that fight will definitely happen but since Hopkins and GBP is pointing towards July, Joe has a showdown with Woods in March for a major tune-up and that's perfectly admissible... But if that other fight with Hopkins doesn't happen or if Calzaghe doesn't travel, what are we supposed to believe? That Hopkins is running away from the man he called out? For Chrissake... Oh, and Nazim Richardson should get his ass fired, wtf does he think he is?!...

[Rumsfeld]

You missed a part of that sentence out:

Hopkins fought a pound-for-pound elite from a weak-ass division who was past his prime and and way above his natural weight, and Hopkins still looked like shit; Joe beat up the best challenger in a weak-ass division, who was in his prime and undefeated.



There, that's better. :good

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

You people will say anything to help vindicate the group delusion!

Calzaghe never beat anyone worth a squirt of piss.

:smoke

[wrastla285]

He said he's coming to the US but now it looks like he's staying in the UK to fight Woods. Lennox Lewis, Ricky Hatton, Clinton Woods, David Haye, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Nasim Hamed, etc. have fought in the US. What's holding Calzaghe back? I guess that's how highly he thinks of American fans. How do you expect American fans to support him then?

Not a matter of being scared, if you could draw 50,000 fans to watch you fight in one place, and 25,000 in the other, which will you pick?

[cuchulain]

I did.

Hopkins fought a pound-for-pound elite; Joe beat up the best challenger in a weak-ass division.

Did you have an actual point?

:smoke

Do you have ANY idea lhow long little Winky would last against Kessler?

I would have thought the point was self-evident, being that a picture is supposed to be worth a thousand words, but.....

Have you had your vision checked recently?

[Punisher33]

I think the american people will not except Calzaghe as ATG until he comes here and beats a great fighter like Hopkins, I personally think Calzaghe is a great fighter that has skills to be a ATG, just not the resume IMO.

[Drexl]

I think the american people will not except Calzaghe as ATG until he comes here and beats a great fighter like Hopkins, I personally think Calzaghe is a great fighter that has skills to be a ATG, just not the resume IMO.

And then hif he beats Hopkins .....

"Hopkins was shot"
"Hopkins is a natural middleweight"

blah blah blah


It's almost impossible to win over the American public if you aren't American.
If Joe has decided "why bother" then I don't blame him.

But let's wait & see. He hasn't turned down the fight yet.

[Punisher33]

And then hif he beats Hopkins .....

"Hopkins was shot"
"Hopkins is a natural middleweight"

blah blah blah


It's almost impossible to win over the American public if you aren't American.
If Joe has decided "why bother" then I don't blame him.

But let's wait & see. He hasn't turned down the fight yet. Americans have gave guys like Pac and Wlad alot of credit for coming here and beating the best we have to offer, they definitely earned there spots a top there respective divisions. Hopkins might not be the fighter he used to be, but he is the ATG name that Calzaghe needs on his resume to complete his legacy.

[LeadLeftHook]

Calzaghe is scared to step outside his backyard! He hasnt done ever done it, he could've fought prime RJJ or Prime Hopkins...why would he do it now???
Or maybe now that Jones is shot and Hopkins is 43, Joe might come here!

[joe the great]

time to turn off your kid rock CD.
:rofl:happy

[Taffyy]

After watching the vid & reading some of the shite on here by people like seinfeld or bumfelt orwhatever his name is I am praying Joe goes to America and just shuts the whingers up.
Retire Hopkins & then possibly finish with Dawson or even Pavlik.......Jobs a good un.

[Drexl]

he is the ATG name that Calzaghe needs on his resume to complete his legacy.
Yeah, I'm sure you'll say that if Calzaghe wins. :roll:

Just like every man and his dog were saying that Lacy was the big name he needed on his resume..... until Calzaghe owned him, then it was meaningless.

[thesandman]

Americans have gave guys like Pac and Wlad alot of credit for coming here and beating the best we have to offer, they definitely earned there spots a top there respective divisions. Hopkins might not be the fighter he used to be, but he is the ATG name that Calzaghe needs on his resume to complete his legacy.

Lennox didn't, and still hasn't really, got the respect of the US public, despite beating everyone put in front of him, and not carrying on like a pork chop when he got screwed with Holy draw.

[Punisher33]

Yeah, I'm sure you'll say that if Calzaghe wins. :roll:

Just like every man and his dog were saying that Lacy was the big name he needed on his resume..... until Calzaghe owned him, then it was meaningless. Lacy was one of his best wins, and it was the fight that made me take notice of Calzaghe. I just dont see how a win over Woods is going to do anything to help his resume, hes just the guy that lost to Jones in most peoples minds. Wether you want to admit it or not, Hopkins is the guy he needs to beat before most will give him the title of an ATG.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Lennox didn't, and still hasn't really, got the respect of the US public, despite beating everyone put in front of him, and not carrying on like a pork chop when he got screwed with Holy draw.

I think that as more due to his arrogant demeanor and his not-too-exciting style he employed later in his boxing career.

When Americans are used to guys like Tyson and Holy, who put on a good show, it makes Lewis' 'cautious' style less easy to back.

But you do have some tryuth there. I never liked Lewis much. But I respected the hell outta him.

[Punisher33]

Lennox didn't, and still hasn't really, got the respect of the US public, despite beating everyone put in front of him, and not carrying on like a pork chop when he got screwed with Holy draw. I thought the Holyfield/Lewis 2 was a draw, so I think things evened out in the end IMO. I think the fact he fought guys like Holyfield and Tyson well past there primes might have something to do with it, but all in all I think most americans put him in the top 10 Heavyweights ATG list.

[Drexl]

I think the fact he fought guys like Holyfield and Tyson well past there primes might have something to do with it,

Ah-ha!!

Gotcha!

See - that is EXACTLY what you will say if Joe beats Hops. So what's the point?

It's THEEEE fight Joe needs to take to "cement his legacy" according to you now, but if he wins you will be like "so what, hops was old."

[Drexl]

the fact that Calzaghe's legacy even needs debating shows the serious flaws in his resume.

WBO champ for 10 freakin years and just a couple big fights.

Absurd.

I take it that by "big fights" what you really mean is "fights against household names in America".?

So he has only bothered to expose one HBO hypejob. So what. In real boxing terms instead of big-name terms, that win is less impressive than some of his others against less hyped fighters.

[Punisher33]

Ah-ha!!

Gotcha!

See - that is EXACTLY what you will say if Joe beats Hops. So what's the point?

It's THEEEE fight Joe needs to take to "cement his legacy" according to you now, but if he wins you will be like "so what, hops was old." Calzaghe needs this win for his detractors, the guys that say he never beat a great so there for he's not a great. I just think a name like Hopkins on his resume will help him, I feel its better late then never.

[Drexl]

Calzaghe needs this win for his detractors, the guys that say he never beat a great so there for he's not a great. I just think a name like Hopkins on his resume will help him, I feel its better late then never.

But don't you see? Those same guys will still say he never beat a great because Hops was old.

It's a lose-lose for Joe.

[thesandman]

I think that as more due to his arrogant demeanor and his not-too-exciting style he employed later in his boxing career.

When Americans are used to guys like Tyson and Holy, who put on a good show, it makes Lewis' 'cautious' style less easy to back.

But you do have some tryuth there. I never liked Lewis much. But I respected the hell outta him.

Would Americans have preferred Lewis to be a drug using rapist, who bites peoples ears during fights?

Seriously, he would have been considered a "classy guy" if he was American. His arrogance pissed me off sometimes too to be honest. But was he more arrogant than Ali? Or many others?

Lewis's cautious style really came after he reached the top. There was no excuse before that not to appreciate him before then.

Ruddock, Briggs, Morrison, Mercer, Golota, Grant, hell - even the Bruno fight - were all entertaining as fuck. Hell, both Rahman fights were too!!!!

In fact, he was really only what you could describe as cautious in few fights to be honest. Tua for sure (but that was a boxing exhibition - something Floyd gets lauded for?????) - first Holy fight really too.

Lewis boxes, and he's cautious and disparaged for it.
Floyd boxes, and he's the best fighter in the world?

Spot the difference?

[Punisher33]

But don't you see? Those same guys will still say he never beat a great because Hops was old.

It's a lose-lose for Joe. Yeah your right, I still think the fact he has at least 1 great name on resume is better than nothing, but if he would happen to lose to Hopkins his whole career accomplishment would be in question by alot people, especially in the states.

[sallycinnamon]

My dear friend Taffy. If Calzaghe were to fight in New York (my hometown) at Madison Square Garden in front of a ruckus crowd, Calzaghe would definitely feel the heat. New York boxing fans would come out to support Hopkins. And, being a native New Yorker, I'm well aware how New Yorkers can be loud and volatile in a environment such as MSG. Mind you, if Calzaghe chose to fight Dawson in NY, Dawson would also have fan support arriving throughout the tri-state area since Dawson is a resident of Connecticut.

NY boxing fans support the fighters they like. Don't assume Hopkins is not liked in New York. That being said, there's no reason for Calzaghe not to make a fight with Hops or Dawson. Calzaghe said himself he wants to fights in the states. Here's his chance. If indeed Calzaghe is sincere, it's time for him to put up or shut up.



:bbb

my friend if joe fought in msg it would be a very similar scene as hattons fights. it would be full of welsh, english, scots and irish. trust me when it comes to sporting events us brits(as you yanks like to call us) have a uncanny knack of getting 60% - 80% of the tickets. dont ask me how it just happens..

[radianttwilight]

my friend if joe fought in msg it would be a very similar scene as hattons fights. it would be full of welsh, english, scots and irish. trust me when it comes to sporting events us brits(as you yanks like to call us) have a uncanny knack of getting 60% - 80% of the tickets. dont ask me how it just happens..

How about if Joe fought in Yankee Stadium?

50,000 in Cardiff has nothing on 100,000+ that have been in Yankee Stadium. Look at the Dempsey-Tunney fights.

If Calzaghe's excuse is that he can sell 50,000 tickets in Wales, then he needs to change careers, because he could easily sell more in the US.

Calzaghe-Hopkins at Yankee Stadium would pack the house, I'd guarantee it.

[sallycinnamon]

How about if Joe fought in Yankee Stadium?

50,000 in Cardiff has nothing on 100,000+ that have been in Yankee Stadium. Look at the Dempsey-Tunney fights.

If Calzaghe's excuse is that he can sell 50,000 tickets in Wales, then he needs to change careers, because he could easily sell more in the US.

Calzaghe-Hopkins at Yankee Stadium would pack the house, I'd guarantee it.

there would be 20,000 brits there and you boring yanks wouldnt make a squeek compared to the atmosphere that we would produce. besides you lot wouldnt get 50,000 people to by a ticket any way.

[cuchulain]

But don't you see? Those same guys will still say he never beat a great because Hops was old.

It's a lose-lose for Joe.


I hear you, loud and clear.

There is an exagerated view of how good Bernard is at this point in his career (and I recognize his greatness, at middlewt, and his very important victory over the over-hyped Tarver at that age and weight, a victory I predicted on this forum), and a sentimmental, gut-driven wishful thinking on the part of some fans, contrary to the evidence. ( I foolisly, thought that Ali had a chance against Holmes, but I was a lot younger then).

At the same time, there is a denigration, bordering on irrational hatred, of the accomplishments of Calzaghe (Calslappy, Calpussy, etc.)

Joe can't win !

It was the same after Lacy. It was the same after Kessler.

If he beats Bernard, Bernard was over the hill, and other excuses which we've already heard regarding his previous victories.

The only reason I want to see this fight is it MIGHT silence some of Joe's critics (doubtful).

I would much rather see him fight Dawson in March and the winner of Taylor-Pavlik next summer.

These fights would do more for his legacy than beating an old man who has no record at 168 and 1-1-0 at 175, and whose most touted wins in the last five years have come against two Welterwts and a junior middlewt who themselves had next to no history at 168, much less 175.

[psychopath]

Why is Calzaghe scared to fight in America?

It work both ways friend . . . why is Bhops scared to fight out of America?

:lol: :D

[cuchulain]

:verysad

Wow....just wow....nationalistic bullshit hatred at its best. Atta way to clog all of us together, yet ignore the bullshit coming from beyond the Atlantic on your side as well. Pompus fuck....





A sampling of the anti-Calzaghe posts:


Calzaghe is scared shitless of the prospect of losing to "Old Man" Hopkins. Unlike his delusional, yet loyal, hard-core fans, Calzaghe realizes he is biting off more than he can chew and that he does not stand a prayer in hell against a superior specimen, one Bernard Hopkins.

:smoke
Calzaghe is a piece of shit.

:smoke

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

You people will say anything to help vindicate the group delusion!

Calzaghe never beat anyone worth a squirt of piss.

:smoke



You gotta love the way these delusional space wasters take something Hopkins trainer says and turn that in to Hopkins not wanting to fight. Especially when Joe Calpussy and that slime ball ****** have been planing on fighting Woods all along. They don't see anything wrong with that though. Talk about a real meeting of the minds. You got a regular Algonquin round table with these guys.

****** and Fagzaghe are a disgrace. [Only registered and activated users can see links]***********.com/?m=show&id=11306 -Typical of these 2 guys whole career.

How did he weasel out of the fight you stupid piece of shit? Your boyfriend Fagzaghe is weaseling out of the fight by challenging Woods.

Kessler's not a great fighter. He's a god damn Euro-stiff.

don't have to validate my arguements. I don't care what you shit heads think.

There's lots more, but I don't have the time...

[sjc]

I'm guessing that post 9/11 was part of it.

That and a general fear of flying perhaps.

Along with pride saying.. I'm the champ, i'm the best in the world, you come to me.

Can't say I blame him on any of those counts.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Calzaghe is scared to step outside his backyard! He hasnt done ever done it

really?

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:roll:

[sonny73]

Funny reading some of these posts claiming Hopkins wants the fight and Calzaghe doesn't.
This is the 3rd time Hopkins has weaseled out of fighting Calzaghe,the first time it happened American press claimed that it must have been Calzaghe's fault because Hopkins has fought the better comp and would never avoid him,even though its well publisized what happened.The 2nd time it happened Hopkins claimed he wanted to fight a HW instead as Calzaghe wasn't good enough,Winky Wright is NOT aheavyweight.Now the 3rd time,lol.If you check the sites and opinions around the world you will see that the vast majority see this for what it is and its only in America that people really do think Calzaghe is ducking Hopkins.

[cuchulain]

really?

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:roll:


That's not fair.

You're using FACTS to confuse them!

[G_RapPBF]

Easy, why fight in America when you can fight bums in your home turf in a fringe division and not be challenged? Thats why he'll be forgotten in a few years and guys like Jones, Wright and Hopkins will go down in history. Fights make fighters, every great fighter has a great fight you can look back on and say yep thats where he claimed legend status, Calzaghe will never have that.

[Taffyy]

Nice 2nd post..........!!!!
When Kessler goes on to dominate the division in the future yrs people will realise what a great victory Joe's was over him.....
As for "fringe" division ........Well that says it all really..!!!

[yesihavearm]

Nice 2nd post..........!!!!
When Kessler goes on to dominate the division in the future yrs people will realise what a great victory Joe's was over him.....
As for "fringe" division ........Well that says it all really..!!!

Just dont bother arguging with these dicks.

Calzaghe would destroy any american fighter out there from 175 down.

Fact.

[Taffyy]

Just dont bother arguging with these dicks.

Calzaghe would destroy any american fighter out there from 175 down.

Fact.
Your right mate. I just get drawn into it sometimes because of the pure shite that gets written here about Joe.
Joe is a victim of his own ability , This added to the fact he was about 5yrs to late in coming on the scene & a greedy self obsessed cunt of a manager has meant he has'nt the resume his ability deserves. The big american names in their prime kept well away as Joe , the fella america hadnt heard of from wales , was too dangerous & at the time the risk far outweighed the reward for them...:?
If the fight with Bhop happens Joe will win which hopefully would leave a last hurrah with Dawson or Pavilik before retiring & shutting a few knobs up in the process...:good
The sad part is that purely based on his unbeaten record if he was from the states he'd have had a statue built now of himself in his hometown...:patsch

[bachatu]

He has more to gain than to loose by fighting in the U.S in terms of his legacy for boxing, and even financially.
He answers questions about whether he really is the best in the world. But you say why must he fight competition in the U.S - The biggest money making boxing fights (including purses and PPV buys) have taken place in the U.S. In addition, boxers who were considered best of their era all fought in the U.S at one time or another, whether they were American natives or not (i.e. Lennox Lewis). Just look at the situation with Ricky Hatton. Do you think he would have gotten the opportunity to fight the best pound for pound fighter if he stuck to only fighting in the U.K??? Ricky did he what he had to do, won impressively against Castillo, now he has a mega fight for big $$$$. In addition, he has the opportunity to knock off (whether you think he will win or not) the top pound for pound fighter.

OK, so he is champion already. But if he really had the desire to seal his legacy and really show people that he is as good as he, his fans, and his record say he is, then why doesnt he take care of sealing his own legacy, making sure he goes down in history as the best of his era within his weight class. Just look at how Lennox Lewis is viewed in history. People dont really question how good he was...they just know he was best during his era.

By fighting only in the U.K, this gives the impression (which could be a false one) to many American boxing fans, especially because they haven't seen enough of Calzhage, that perhaps he is not as confident in his abilities as he, his fans, and his record say.

[Rumsfeld]

Just dont bother arguging with these dicks.

Calzaghe would destroy any american fighter out there from 175 down.

Fact.

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[surreal deal]

well it would help his legacy, like it or not, if he took a big fight anywhere but his backyard. Home field is an advantage in any sport.
hardly one hopkins sacrifices is it.

[surreal deal]

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[thewoo]

Joe would come to America for the right opponent. Bernard has made it pretty clear that he wants to talk about fighting Joe but has no intention of actually doing it.

[Rumsfeld]

Joe would come to America for the right opponent. Bernard has made it pretty clear that he wants to talk about fighting Joe but has no intention of actually doing it.

Why don't you think Hopkins wants to fight Joe? What are you basing this on?

[yesihavearm]

Why don't you think Hopkins wants to fight Joe? What are you basing this on?

He ducked out of a 2002 fight. Everyone knows he did.

And although he hasnt said it himself, his trainer has told him to forget about it this time. Seems an indirect way of saying he doesnt want to fight him.

Hopkins should give the ring belt to Joe.

[UK2004]

Nothing, that prick bernard hopkins wont fight him.

[Rumsfeld]

He ducked out of a 2002 fight. Everyone knows he did.

And although he hasnt said it himself, his trainer has told him to forget about it this time. Seems an indirect way of saying he doesnt want to fight him.

Hopkins should give the ring belt to Joe.

:lol:

You Calzaghe fans are fucking nuts! I can't wait 'til Hopkins wipes the floor with this overhyped scrub!

:smoke

[thewoo]

Why don't you think Hopkins wants to fight Joe? What are you basing this on?

On the fact that when Joe accepted all of Bernard's unreasonable demands, bernard said that he would rather wait on the winner of Jones v Trinidad

[Rumsfeld]

On the fact that when Joe accepted all of Bernard's unreasonable demands, bernard said that he would rather wait on the winner of Jones v Trinidad

Has something happened over the T-Day holiday I'm unaware of?

Can you please show me a link with the quote where Hopkins states he would rather fight the winner of Jones-Trinidad?

:smoke

[yesihavearm]

:lol:

You Calzaghe fans are fucking nuts! I can't wait 'til Hopkins wipes the floor with this overhyped scrub!

:smoke

overhyped ? Joe's taken on the very best in his division.

Hopkins made his career by fighting welterweights, then decided to carry that decision on by fighting light-middles when he was at light-heavy.

Whats next, Trinidad rematch ?

Please.

[Rumsfeld]

overhyped ? Joe's taken on the very best in his division.

You say that as if it warrants a lot more merit than it does.

:smoke