Why does Pacquiao always fight guys coming off a loss ?

[jimmie]

Morales 1 - Just lost to Barrera 5 months before.
Morales 2 - Just lost every round nearly to Raheem.
Morales 3 - Raped by Pacquiao in the rematch.
Larios - Coming off a 3rd round TKO loss to Israel Vasquez.
Barrera 2 - Coming off a loss to Marquez.

Not to mention he fought Hector Velasquez a complete journeymen as a tuneup when Morales had a tough fight vs Raheem.

Yet hes still worshipped as some guy who fights only the toughest avaliable fight avaible :huh

[brooklyn1550]

He's taking tough fights for the most part (Marquez, Barrera, Morales), but Barrera and Morales are past their primes. After he beats Barrera (which I think he will), he NEEDS to go after young guns like Soto, Valero, Guzman and he has to rematch Juan Manuel Marquez. Once Barrera and Morales are done, Pacquiao will have no other option and then we will see some great fights.

[jimmie]

Im waiting for the legion of nuthuggers to come in.

[johnco]

Im waiting for the legion of nuthuggers to come in.

am coming.... so jimmie are you getting tired pac is making the greats kneel in front of the public? :lol: well if you got the dough for pac in fighting soto, guzman, valero something like 4 to 5 m $ per fight, then pac will sign for you.... :nut :nut dont worry, after pac makes you cry again after mabs, the young guns will come in... relax, let us make your agony longer...... then we will deal with your "knowledge of economics" later :hi:

[1lehudson]

Morales 1 - Just lost to Barrera 5 months before.
Morales 2 - Just lost every round nearly to Raheem.
Morales 3 - Raped by Pacquiao in the rematch.
Larios - Coming off a 3rd round TKO loss to Israel Vasquez.
Barrera 2 - Coming off a loss to Marquez.

Not to mention he fought Hector Velasquez a complete journeymen as a tuneup when Morales had a tough fight vs Raheem.

Yet hes still worshipped as some guy who fights only the toughest avaliable fight avaible :huhI made a topic about that a few months back. Pac-man is one if not the most over-rated fighters going today. None of his wins are that impressive when you think about what the best fighters that he faced were doing at the time that he fought them. Not to mention that he did actaully lose to Morelas and should have lost to Marquez.

Pac-man like so many other powerpunchers get much more credit then he should. perfect example is Ding-a-ling, everyone seems to forget that he was being pretty much outclassed in all but two rounds of that fight friday night, by a fringe contender if you would even call Nwodo that. Then boom, now all of a sudden he can beat Mormeck, and Bell in the same night.

But to answer your question, Pac is being put in big money fights, with fighters that are either really not that good or well past their best days. For whatever reason he gets a pass were other fighters get bashed. In the eyes of many they see nothing wrong with Pac fighting guys that lost the fight going in, or old guys or both. Then those same guys that defend him will bash another fighter for doing the same thing. Thing about Pac is he really isnt that good of a fighter, his fans want us to overlook the fact that he has several times had his ass handed to him, they make excuse after excuse.

[johnco]

I made a topic about that a few months back. Pac-man is one if not the most over-rated fighters going today. None of his wins are that impressive when you think about what the best fighters that he faced were doing at the time that he fought them. Not to mention that he did actaully lose to Morelas and should have lost to Marquez.

Pac-man like so many other powerpunchers get much more credit then he should. perfect example is Ding-a-ling, everyone seems to forget that he was being pretty much outclassed in all but two rounds of that fight friday night, by a fringe contender if you would even call Nwodo that. Then boom, now all of a sudden he can beat Mormeck, and Bell in the same night.

But to answer your question, Pac is being put in big money fights, with fighters that are either really not that good or well past their best days. For whatever reason he gets a pass were other fighters get bashed. In the eyes of many they see nothing wrong with Pac fighting guys that lost the fight going in, or old guys or both. Then those same guys that defend him will bash another fighter for doing the same thing. Thing about Pac is he really isnt that good of a fighter, his fans want us to overlook the fact that he has several times had his ass handed to him, they make excuse after excuse.


this guy is nuthugger to the max..... :yep :yep

morales won due to head butt... :good
and jmm had a gifted draw due to 1 fisted pac after the first round... :good

and i hope you are not blinded by the fact that pac put those guys under submission not UD :bbb

[koki_kameda]

Koki Kameda

[brooklyn1550]

Koki Kameda

Great insight...I can't argue with that

[puga_ni_nana]

because pac is a pussy and cares only about money and wins.
is that the answer you want?

[JMotrain]

Why would Pac fight a guy like Valero, Guzman, or Soto when he can fight a guy he already completely dominated 4 years ago for the same amount of money and less risk?

[knockout]

Well shit because they happen to be top fighters in the same weight class "DUH!" how dumb can you be.:patsch

[knockout]

To be the best you have to beat the best.

[divac]

Why would Pac fight a guy like Valero, Guzman, or Soto when he can fight a guy he already completely dominated 4 years ago for the same amount of money and less risk?

Unfortunately thats the business side of boxing.

I cant really blame the fighter who really put their health of the line for our enjoyment, to take more of a risk when in actuallity he'd be getting more money fighting MAB than he would a younger more dangerous 130 pounder.

I wish it were different and the very best fought the very best, but this is the business of boxing, where everyone involved wants to make a buck!

[Franchise_411]

After the Solis fight, Pacquiao came out and said he wanted Marquez, then after Soto beat his Bobby Pacquiao, he said he wanted Soto ... But his reason for fighting Barrera is simple, with this new Top Rank - Golden Boy business relationship, of course their first co-promoted fight has to be between their marquee stars ... Even after his loss to Marquez, Barrera is still Golden Boy's biggest name (other than Hopkins, DeLaHoya and Mosley).

[Bangis]

Well shit because they happen to be top fighters in the same weight class "DUH!" how dumb can you be.:patsch


:good:good:good:good:good simple as that...

cause the guys coming off a lose are named Marco Antonio Barerra and Erik Morales! Who at that weight class wouldnt want a fight with Erik and MAB at the time PAC fought them? Fights with them brings the money....

i really dont want PAC to fight Barrera next, i'd rather see him with JMM. But what can we do? The only thing fans can do is post about it in internet boxing forums!!!:yep:yep:yep

[knockout]

So true.:smoke

[koko of phil]

It's just by chance these guys Pacquiao faces coming off a loss but everyone knew they are tough to fight with. I guess it's just a natural thing in every fighter to choose a good tune up fight and go for big fights which draw fans attention and money.

[1punch1nder]

some people, esp mayweather fans, just won't give pac credit, and the excuse...??? because of the pac nuthuggers.:patsch

so if you follow their line of thinking, barrera and morales where old and marquez was floored by a lucky punch..three times in 1 round. all three where badly beaten by a nobody from the philippines who got nothing special in him, and he is not worth mentioning coz he can't do anything that would contribute to the boxing world.

[pound4pound]

maybe if pac went after the other fighters and ko'ed them (guzman, valero, soto), people will say he should've fought the greats erik morales and marco antonio barrera because they are the best fighters in the division...

[psychopath]

Why would Pac fight a guy like Valero, Guzman, or Soto when he can fight a guy he already completely dominated 4 years ago for the same amount of money and less risk?

Valero, Guzman or Soto same amount of money in fighting MAB? :yikes

Goddam dude, where did you come from? :shock:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[hooligan]

Morales 1 - Just lost to Barrera 5 months before.
Morales 2 - Just lost every round nearly to Raheem.
Morales 3 - Raped by Pacquiao in the rematch.
Larios - Coming off a 3rd round TKO loss to Israel Vasquez.
Barrera 2 - Coming off a loss to Marquez.

Not to mention he fought Hector Velasquez a complete journeymen as a tuneup when Morales had a tough fight vs Raheem.

Yet hes still worshipped as some guy who fights only the toughest avaliable fight avaible :huh

so when pac fought ledwaba and barrera, both were coming from a loss?

go figure...:patsch

[nervousxtian]

Dude has a point. Pac's good, but he needs to stop beating up on guys who are on the downturn.

By the time Pac rematches JMM, JMM will be using a cane to get around and weight 200lbs, with grey hair.

[puga_ni_nana]

Pacquiao's fans are fucking delusional.

certainly they are. they are very ignorant and knows nothing of boxing except pac and support him just because of a couple of wins against over-the-hill fighters like barrera and morales. :nut

[Club Fighter]

Pac should be fighting Soto soon and I can assure you that Soto just came off of a win (I witnessed it in person) against Pac's brother no less. So if he wins this he should quiet the naysayers although I'm not at all sure he will.

[BeReal]

AMAZING, we finally have a fighter who is exciting, gives us all action, is good for boxing and we have to bash him. It's true, if he fought Guzman/Valero/Soto, they would have been nobodies and he should have fought Barrera/Morales. Manny does not make his own fights, he just fights who is put in front of him. I seem to remember he was given no chance against barrera, he was fighting out of his weight class and destroyed him, then barrera went on to beat Juarez 2x's but he was "shot" when Manny beat him. :roll:

[ravtrav]

AMAZING, we finally have a fighter who is exciting, gives us all action, is good for boxing and we have to bash him. It's true, if he fought Guzman/Valero/Soto, they would have been nobodies and he should have fought Barrera/Morales. Manny does not make his own fights, he just fights who is put in front of him. I seem to remember he was given no chance against barrera, he was fighting out of his weight class and destroyed him, then barrera went on to beat Juarez 2x's but he was "shot" when Manny beat him. :roll::good IT'S GREED. WITHOUT A DOUBT THIS FIGHT WILL BE EXCITING, THATS ALL THAT MATTERS TO ME. IF ANYTHING WE SHOULD PRAISE PAC FOR GIVING MAB THE CHANCE TO AVENGE HIS BEAT DOWN AND THEN RIDE IN TO THE HALL OF FAME.

[puga_ni_nana]

look as I've said before PAC is the most hated fighter in history. The nicest guy in the world, the greatest thing for boxing. Big heart, humility, helping others, not to mention exciting, gives fans reasons to cheer.

Yet he is th most hated why??? because without the filipino fans, he'll have maybe 2 fans outside the community. Its called jealousy didnt you know, how this guy from the gutter coming from halfway across the world can make it.

But in saying that he's only fighting this and that, all the damn excuses.. well just have patience he will fight all of them. Line them all up! Guzman, Valero, Soto, JMM lets see what happens, tell you the truth I cant wait. What do you get when your boy wins?? When Pac wins our home country gets better, he is good for this world, he trancends boxing which is something I cant say for your favorite boxers.. What do you get when they win?? They dont even know you. Thats the difference. Hate all you want he aint getting beat. Deal with it!

you are just a pacfan and you are delusional and don't know anything about boxing. :yep

[chliJs]

AMAZING, we finally have a fighter who is exciting, gives us all action, is good for boxing and we have to bash him. It's true, if he fought Guzman/Valero/Soto, they would have been nobodies and he should have fought Barrera/Morales. Manny does not make his own fights, he just fights who is put in front of him. I seem to remember he was given no chance against barrera, he was fighting out of his weight class and destroyed him, then barrera went on to beat Juarez 2x's but he was "shot" when Manny beat him. :roll:

:good

[nervousxtian]

Pac most hated fighter?!?!

You're fucking delusional.

He's one of the most loved boxers out there today.

[jimmie]

This is another display of the ESB Double Standards policy. Mayweather fights for 20 million vs a Champion Oscar De la Hoya yet hes ducking Antonio Margarito,Shane Mosley,Miguel Cotto. Pacquiao continues to fight guys coming off losses who arent Champions (Barrera-Pacquiao 2 is a dam good fight though) When should be trying to erase that draw with JMM or fighting Valero,Guzman,Soto. Barrera is a tough fight but if Pacquiaos so fucking great and takes the toughest challenges why does money even matter why does he go after a guy getting on in years he already beat ? I smell a rat.

[Chert]

with the GBP-Top Rank alliance, pac will get to fight jmm, guzman, valero, etc. after the rematch with mab. arum and schaeffer/dlh will surely setup these fights since it will bring them more millions. it's just that mab-pac2 currently offer their new joint partnership the biggest money making opportunity as compared to pac fighting these other opponents.

patience... i'm sure these other fights will be made. both GBP and TR will be fools not to.

[enzo]

AMAZING, we finally have a fighter who is exciting, gives us all action, is good for boxing and we have to bash him. It's true, if he fought Guzman/Valero/Soto, they would have been nobodies and he should have fought Barrera/Morales. Manny does not make his own fights, he just fights who is put in front of him. I seem to remember he was given no chance against barrera, he was fighting out of his weight class and destroyed him, then barrera went on to beat Juarez 2x's but he was "shot" when Manny beat him. :roll:

So fuck'n true... :good

[reed_man02]

This is another display of the ESB Double Standards policy. Mayweather fights for 20 million vs a Champion Oscar De la Hoya yet hes ducking Antonio Margarito,Shane Mosley,Miguel Cotto. Pacquiao continues to fight guys coming off losses who arent Champions (Barrera-Pacquiao 2 is a dam good fight though) When should be trying to erase that draw with JMM or fighting Valero,Guzman,Soto. Barrera is a tough fight but if Pacquiaos so fucking great and takes the toughest challenges why does money even matter why does he go after a guy getting on in years he already beat ? I smell a rat.

agreed, thats why im so confused as to why some people say pac is ahead of winky in their p4p lists.

[ajohnfp]

This is another display of the ESB Double Standards policy. Mayweather fights for 20 million vs a Champion Oscar De la Hoya yet hes ducking Antonio Margarito,Shane Mosley,Miguel Cotto. Pacquiao continues to fight guys coming off losses who arent Champions (Barrera-Pacquiao 2 is a dam good fight though) When should be trying to erase that draw with JMM or fighting Valero,Guzman,Soto. Barrera is a tough fight but if Pacquiaos so fucking great and takes the toughest challenges why does money even matter why does he go after a guy getting on in years he already beat ? I smell a rat.

Yeah, because nobody ever complains about Mayweather ducking guys.

[Sweet Scientist]

One huge problem here is that all the people talking generic shit on this thread, including the sentiments of the original poster's question will be long buried and forgotten by the time the fight happens. What happens is MAB scores a stunning TKO? Nobody talking shit here will have to eat it, and they should be forced to. Matchmaking is not perfect in boxing, but fighting MAB coming off of a loss is nothing to scoff at. You never know.

[theunderdog]

you guys seem to be forgeting that MAB was the one who asked for this fight. pac was more than willing to fight soto. this fight had to happen because of the gbp-top rank peace talks. there's nothing else to it. nobody's ducking anybody.

[divac]

look as I've said before PAC is the most hated fighter in history. The nicest guy in the world, the greatest thing for boxing. Big heart, humility, helping others, not to mention exciting, gives fans reasons to cheer.

Yet he is th most hated why??? because without the filipino fans, he'll have maybe 2 fans outside the community. Its called jealousy didnt you know, how this guy from the gutter coming from halfway across the world can make it.

But in saying that he's only fighting this and that, all the damn excuses.. well just have patience he will fight all of them. Line them all up! Guzman, Valero, Soto, JMM lets see what happens, tell you the truth I cant wait. What do you get when your boy wins?? When Pac wins our home country gets better, he is good for this world, he trancends boxing which is something I cant say for your favorite boxers.. What do you get when they win?? They dont even know you. Thats the difference. Hate all you want he aint getting beat. Deal with it!

:huh I dont see the hate you're talking about of Manny Pacquiao.

I see some hate for guys like domngo, Johnco, ravtrav, etc.....
....there's always hate for the nuthuggers around here, but I dont think there's any genuine hate of Manny.

Hey, I'm a big Marquez fan, but I have great respect for Manny Pac.

I can honestly say I'm a Pac fan. Nothing wrong with being a fan of both Marquez and Pacquiao!:good


......and I agree Chimba, part of my like for Manny Pac is that he comes across as a genuine great guy.
I dont know what he says in his own language, but it seems to me that he respects the fighters that he fights. He comes across as humble, and he gives 100% to his craft.



To the diehard Filipino's out there who are huge Pac fans.....does Manny come off as conceded in his own language??????
Does he like Mayweather Jr have a ME attitude????

Just out of curiousity because sometimes these things dont translate well into another language!

[dangerousity]

MAB wasnt coming off a loss, JMM wasnt coming off a loss. Morales was coming of a loss but Morales beat him anyways.

Coming off a loss dont mean shite, is Velasquez a coward since he fought Pac when Pac was coming off a loss?

This is whats so skewed about boxing these days, fighters arent allowed to loose. If they do their either shot or not worthy of a shot. Morales got a 2nd fight because he beat Pacman JUST 10 months prior...its as simple as that. Raheem was a completely different fighter from Pacman and he fought an unmotivated Morales at 135. Going into the 2nd fight the odd's were 50-50. Its very easy to act revisionist after the fight has happened but I bet you 90% of the people calling Morales shot after Pac demolished him picked Morales to beat him before the fight. The 3rd fight had to happen simply cos they were 1-1 and Pac would have gotten hell if he didnt give Morales a rematch since Morales gave him a rematch.

MAB deserves a rematch. Arum & GBP are setting up the fight, Pac would be more than happy fighting Soto or JMM. He fights anyone thrown at him. Hes never made excuses for not fighting an opponent saying their not worthy of him or not enough money. You ask him if he will fight this and that and he will say anytime, anywhere. The promoters give him a fighter, he fights them.

I see MAB as a mere tuneup to JMM anyways. Once MAB is dealt with there's only JMM, Guz, Soto & Valero on the line and they will all be lined up.

[theunderdog]

:huh I dont see the hate you're talking about of Manny Pacquiao.

I see some hate for guys like domngo, Johnco, ravtrav, etc.....
....there's always hate for the nuthuggers around here, but I dont think there's any genuine hate of Manny.

Hey, I'm a big Marquez fan, but I have great respect for Manny Pac.

I can honestly say I'm a Pac fan. Nothing wrong with being a fan of both Marquez and Pacquiao!:good


......and I agree Chimba, part of my like for Manny Pac is that he comes across as a genuine great guy.
I dont know what he says in his own language, but it seems to me that he respects the fighters that he fights. He comes across as humble, and he gives 100% to his craft.



To the diehard Filipino's out there who are huge Pac fans.....does Manny come off as conceded in his own language??????
Does he like Mayweather Jr have a ME attitude????

Just out of curiousity because sometimes these things dont translate well into another language!


nope. nowhere close. you ask manny why he wants to win and the guy says for country. i'll probably piss my pants if pbf said anything like that. but he can get a little cocky sometimes but i think it's more of funny than really cocky. he once said that valero has an amazing record because he fought cab drivers or something like that. but generally, pac's a good guy, always thanking the fans for the support, asking for prayers, wishing well being to other filipino fighters etc

you could tell about how he acted even after beating mab, em, he still gave them their dues because both were gallant enough to give pac the chance. i like pac because he deserves all that he has now

i hope i'm not labelled as one of those nuthuggers for saying this.

[jimmie]

MAB wasnt coming off a loss, JMM wasnt coming off a loss. Morales was coming of a loss but Morales beat him anyways.

Coming off a loss dont mean shite, is Velasquez a coward since he fought Pac when Pac was coming off a loss?

This is whats so skewed about boxing these days, fighters arent allowed to loose. If they do their either shot or not worthy of a shot. Morales got a 2nd fight because he beat Pacman JUST 10 months prior...its as simple as that. Raheem was a completely different fighter from Pacman and he fought an unmotivated Morales at 135. Going into the 2nd fight the odd's were 50-50. Its very easy to act revisionist after the fight has happened but I bet you 90% of the people calling Morales shot after Pac demolished him picked Morales to beat him before the fight. The 3rd fight had to happen simply cos they were 1-1 and Pac would have gotten hell if he didnt give Morales a rematch since Morales gave him a rematch.

MAB deserves a rematch. Arum & GBP are setting up the fight, Pac would be more than happy fighting Soto or JMM. He fights anyone thrown at him. Hes never made excuses for not fighting an opponent saying their not worthy of him or not enough money. You ask him if he will fight this and that and he will say anytime, anywhere. The promoters give him a fighter, he fights them.

I see MAB as a mere tuneup to JMM anyways. Once MAB is dealt with there's only JMM, Guz, Soto & Valero on the line and they will all be lined up.

No when your supposed to be one of the best fighting 5 of your last 7 fights vs a guy coming off a loss is unacceptable.

[BoxingGod387]

[quote=divac]:huh I dont see the hate you're talking about of Manny Pacquiao.

I see some hate for guys like domngo, Johnco, ravtrav, etc.....
....there's always hate for the nuthuggers around here, but I dont think there's any genuine hate of Manny.

Hey, I'm a big Marquez fan, but I have great respect for Manny Pac.

I can honestly say I'm a Pac fan. Nothing wrong with being a fan of both Marquez and Pacquiao!:good


......and I agree Chimba, part of my like for Manny Pac is that he comes across as a genuine great guy.
I dont know what he says in his own language, but it seems to me that he respects the fighters that he fights. He comes across as humble, and he gives 100% to his craft.



I'll cut right through the chase. When PAC turns 50 long out of boxing he'll be broke Why?? not because of drugs and stuff like that.

He would have given it all away. This guy hands out CASH to his neighbours in General Santos City. thats not tax deductible:yep

This guy trains in LA, fights in Vegas, 24 hours after the fight he's back in the Philippines, the love of our country is enough for him.

This is the guy that is so unbelievably accessible, such a nice guy from what I've heard from friends who have met him. For him to promote a fight saying "I'll break your face" is laughable coz he's just not like that.

Why do you think that when he fights, the country has not a single crime while he fights?? He carries the people on his back the poor and the rich. Some of my cousins who are very well off cant stop texting me to get updates when he fights. (thats because they have like a 5 minute telecast delay)

Just a tremendous guy.

I agree tremendous guys cheat on their wife fathering another child and dont pay child support when there a millionaire

[hopkinsfan07]

[quote=chimba]

I agree tremendous guys cheat on their wife fathering another child and dont pay child support when there a millionaire


heh :nut

[loui_ludwig]

Another Pac hating thread.

[hopkinsfan07]

and soto is like 27 not to young either

[Boom_Boom]

Pacman has been exposed since 2007 !!!

[Blind Sheikh]

Why does Mayweather always fight JWWs and 36-year-old lightweights?

[Boxed Ears]

Pacman has been exposed since 2007 !!!


You couldn't help yourself could you.? :hey

[boxsensei]

Why does Mayweather always fight JWWs and 36-year-old lightweights?

He doesn't dumbass.

[Babality]

Don't pay attention to the bitter people. These fights made sense at the time. And not many thought they were bs fights. According to most of these scrubs, Pac should have Valero, Soto, Guzman in his resume because they are fresh. And should have ducked MAB, JMM, Morales, should have never fought Hatton, etc, etc or should have never given those guys rematches.

Only for Pac is this true. Imagine had he not taken the Morales rematch citing he had lost to Raheem LOL, or imaging him taking on those fighters I mentioned instead of the guys he did fight. He would be a nobody who ducked the big boys of the divisions and made excuses about why he wouldn't fight him. "He was scared his win vs MAB was a fluke" "He was scared of Morales, he exposed him and ducked him, same with JMM". Pure bs.

And you know that's a fact.

[Powerman55]

Morales 1 - Just lost to Barrera 5 months before.
Morales 2 - Just lost every round nearly to Raheem.
Morales 3 - Raped by Pacquiao in the rematch.
Larios - Coming off a 3rd round TKO loss to Israel Vasquez.
Barrera 2 - Coming off a loss to Marquez.

Not to mention he fought Hector Velasquez a complete journeymen as a tuneup when Morales had a tough fight vs Raheem.

Yet hes still worshipped as some guy who fights only the toughest avaliable fight avaible :huh

Give me a F*cking break. Can't imagine how long it took you to come up with this joke of an argument.

[motownsiu]

is it me or as soon as pac crossed over to mainstream appeal, the hardcore boxing fans started hating on him? if pac went up and beat valuev he probably wouldn't get credit for this because he coming off a loss and he was also the weakest champion in the hw division.

[jimmie]

Give me a F*cking break. Can't imagine how long it took you to come up with this joke of an argument.

Relax bro first off wrote this in July 2007 and people are still talking about it :-( It took me a good 5 minutes to come up with considering back in that day YEARS ago it was true Pacquiao usually fought a guy coming off a loss he hasnt since that day.

[Silvermags]

In other words thread starter wants PAC to fight the likes of Valero!:lol:

The tomato can specialist! :yep

Based on PAC's achievment he won countless awards and recognition.

NOW, TELL ME WHO SHOULD PAC HAVE FOUGHT INSTEAD?!
Lets start the ball rolling after his loss to Morales. He has eleven straight wins.
WHO ARE THOSE ELEVEN FIGHTERS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HIS OPPONENT?
LETS SEE HOW SMART OR STUPID YOU ARE?! NAME THOSE ELEVEN SHOULD HAVE BEEN OPPONENTS?!

[GalangK]

Apparently if Pac fought: Tim Austin, Joan Guzman, Edwin Valero, and Andre berto instead of Cotto and the rest of those bums he fought, he'd have greater recognition.

[Boom_Boom]

looks like pac has a history of this

i wonder how those darn pactards defend this

[caneman]

I just noticed the thread was 3 years old. Jimmie, if you are still alive, please contact your nearest suicide prevention center. If you are already dead, rest in peace. :yep

[Interceptor]

Why does Mayweather always fight JWWs and 36-year-old lightweights?
At least they haven't been KTFO:deal:rofl

[Interceptor]

Apparently if Pac fought: Tim Austin, Joan Guzman, Edwin Valero, and Andre berto instead of Cotto and the rest of those bums he fought, he'd have greater recognition.

As if Clottey is a household name:lol:


Give it up Pactard.:rasta

[spud1]

looks like pac has a history of this

i wonder how those darn pactards defend this

I cant believe you chose the word those instead of "we"

[Scar]

Morales 1 - Just lost to Barrera 5 months before.
Morales 2 - Just lost every round nearly to Raheem.
Morales 3 - Raped by Pacquiao in the rematch.
Larios - Coming off a 3rd round TKO loss to Israel Vasquez.
Barrera 2 - Coming off a loss to Marquez.

Not to mention he fought Hector Velasquez a complete journeymen as a tuneup when Morales had a tough fight vs Raheem.

Yet hes still worshipped as some guy who fights only the toughest avaliable fight avaible :huh

So the fights you mentioned there represent his entire career?, "always" fights guys coming off a loss? :lol:

Morales 1 - At the time they wanted to fight Marquez in a rematch, Marquez priced his self out and Morales was the best option available. Morales didn't turn out to be an easy target, right?

Morales 2 - A rematch was already inked and Morales losing to Raheem doesn't mean that Pacquiao can't avenge his loss.

Morales 3 - Pacquiao gives Morales another chance like Morales gave him. What's the problem there?, the public wanted that fight badly too.

Barrera 2 - Barrera always wanted a rematch and the public also wanted that fight. Barrera had a close fight with Marquez, I personally thought Barrera won that fight and scored a knockdown he didn't get credit for. Pacquiao fought the guy that beat him after this one, so what's the issue?

Larios - Tune-up material and still a damn good opponent for a tune-up if you ask me. It was a fight for his people in his country and still he took on a top level opponent.

[Scar]

As if Clottey is a household name:lol:


Give it up Pactard.:rasta

Household name or not, many said Pac fought Cotto because he looked bad against Clottey, so Pac fought both.

[johnnydrama]

Morales 1 - Just lost to Barrera 5 months before.
Morales 2 - Just lost every round nearly to Raheem.
Morales 3 - Raped by Pacquiao in the rematch.
Larios - Coming off a 3rd round TKO loss to Israel Vasquez.
Barrera 2 - Coming off a loss to Marquez.

Not to mention he fought Hector Velasquez a complete journeymen as a tuneup when Morales had a tough fight vs Raheem.

Yet hes still worshipped as some guy who fights only the toughest avaliable fight avaible :huh

Cotto, Ricky, DLH, Diaz, JMM 1 & 2...MAB 1. None were coming off loses. The reason PAC is held in such hight regard is b/c of his commitment to fighting the best and how he dominates.

Every fighter has some fights where he faces a guy coming off losses. Take Floyd or instance. He faced Zab after Zab lost to Baldo. he faced Mitchell who had a loss just 12 months earlier.

There's no one who has a resume that compares to PAC at the moment. They don't go handing Fighter of the Decade honors to just anyone with an average resume.

[johnnydrama]

Why would Pac fight a guy like Valero, Guzman, or Soto when he can fight a guy he already completely dominated 4 years ago for the same amount of money and less risk?

Had PAC switched the names that he has presently on his reusme with names like Valero....Guzman and Soto the critisim would be a lot more harsh...and actually valid. Having names like EM, MAB, JMM, DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Marg, Clottley hold SO much more credibility than Joan Guzman, Soto or Ed Valero.

If you are complaining now.....had PAC taken the route of least resistance facing the lower level guys right now you'd actually have a point in questioning PAC's credentials.

[Lexar]

you never expected the lad to probably even get as far as he has....

[omiyourhomie]

because Roach is a genius LOL

[jimmie]

WTF I posted this shit well over 3 years ago and we are still talking about it ? Back then everybody Pac fought lost his last fight. Clottey had just lost BTW, Margarito got destroyed in his last legit fight.

[hamiltonporter]

Cotto, Ricky, DLH, Diaz, JMM 1 & 2...MAB 1. None were coming off loses. The reason PAC is held in such hight regard is b/c of his commitment to fighting the best and how he dominates.

Every fighter has some fights where he faces a guy coming off losses. Take Floyd or instance. He faced Zab after Zab lost to Baldo. he faced Mitchell who had a loss just 12 months earlier.

There's no one who has a resume that compares to PAC at the moment. They don't go handing Fighter of the Decade honors to just anyone with an average resume.

If they weren't literally just coming of a loss then they had lost within 2 or 3 fights. Not just lost actually, destroyed. Cotto by Marg, Hatton by May, DLH by Hopkins. So it's really kind of pathetic you try to defer from the legitimate point by making a lame claim like "Cotto beat Clottley". Well first he should have lost that fight, second a fight or 2 before Clottely he was ruined by Marg. So he never fights people on more than a 2 win streak really on average.

[Farmboxer]

Void had a loss? When was that? Pac tried to get Void to fight him and Void ran away and hid!