43-0 with 31 kos and you still need a tuneup? [Archive]

bigtime9

07-01-2007, 03:10 AM

Ricky Hatton's promoter, Dennis Hobson, has offered American Floyd Mayweather $10 million to come out of retirement to fight in Britain, the most likely venue being Wembley Stadium next spring.
Hobson said: "Mayweather is the pound-for-pound champion, but Ricky is the people's champion. I've offered Floyd $10 million to come to Britain and find out who is the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world.
''Mayweather is saying he wants to put pen to paper and this is his big chance to do so. I have spoken to some of his people and they have been very receptive."
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Hobson insists Hatton's next fight should be in the UK, with Mayweather to follow.
Boxing's rumour mill is also turning with reports that Hatton and his former promoter, Frank ******, might work together again.
****** agreed an out-of-court settlement in a libel action with his father and manager, Ray. Both sides will now sit down and discuss working together in the future.

ok why does ricky need a tuneup fight at 147? didn't he just fight collazo there two fights ago. how is it that a fighter who is 43-0 still needs a tuneup to fight the best, does ricky have no confidence in his skills? I mean why ask HBO for another tuneup fight in England when you have been campaining in the states to get a big fight with the best fighter on the planet:think

I smell a rat, ricky has no intention of getting in the ring with floyd anytime soon. I think he is waiting on the outcome of the gatti/gomez fight to make a decision. Ricky has been clamouring for a gatti fight for a long time (and we all know why:patsch ) and if gatti gets by gomez then I think hatton will take that option (gatti vs hatton in england:deal ) Ricky has been using floyd's name to promote himself for over two years now. after every fight he has mentioned floyd as a potential opponent, while fighting maussa, collazo, urango, and castillo instead. I don't think hatton is fooling anyone except die hard floyd haters with his current routine. :smoke

Hatton has always followed the path of least resistance and his record proves that. While floyd may have his detractors one thing is clear floyd is three fights away from achieving immortality (hatton, mosley, cotto) within the squared circle, if hatton is a real man he will stop using floyd to promote his next fight (with each fight promising to fight floyd next) and step up to the plate and attempt greatness.

Sorry ricky but the stripteasing is over. Time to get that cherry popped:hat

brooklyn1550

07-01-2007, 03:21 AM

I think Hatton should just go ahead and fight Floyd. If he insists on a tuneup, he could risk a fight with Floyd because it would look like he is dodging him and he will have passed up on another opportunity to make the fight happen.

bigtime9, if Floyd beats Hatton, Cotto, and Mosley will you rank him as the GOAT?

markbrooklyn

07-01-2007, 03:24 AM

If Hatton doesnt fight Floyd he should fight Malignaggi! But he's stayed away from boxers that are slick and fast so im sure he'll try to fight Gatti who will stand right in front of him.

Axe

07-01-2007, 03:25 AM

If this screws up negotiations it will just go to show the Hatton's are not to be taken seriously as prospective Mayweather opponents.

I believe Ricky would fight Floyd next though, let's hope that's the case.

bigtime9

07-01-2007, 03:39 AM

bigtime9, if Floyd beats Hatton, Cotto, and Mosley will you rank him as the GOAT?

floyd right now to me is top 5 ATG he beats those three he is second only to ray robinson (pnly because ray was bigger:( ). but I don't want the thread to degenerate into that, hatton is up to his old tricks again, and his worth as a fighter is on the line in the fans eyes.

bigtime9

07-01-2007, 03:45 AM

If Hatton doesnt fight Floyd he should fight Malignaggi! But he's stayed away from boxers that are slick and fast so im sure he'll try to fight Gatti who will stand right in front of him.

HBO doesn't want a floyd vs hatton fight, they want to bring hatton along carefully like hoya to build up the ppv numbers. face it even after beating castillo hatton is not well known in the states. In order for HBO to make their money back on hatton (who has been a bust) they will need to do a 24/7 type show and a promotional tour. people will come out to see hoya and floyd but hatton? he has only been on hbo for a year.

A big hatton vs gatti ppv in england would make HBO very happy money wise (might even get on ppv depending on how gatti looks against gomez). So we shouldn't get our hopes up for a big fight in november between floyd and hatton. Ricky is just promoting his next fight against a lower tier opponent, sorta like chicken de la hoya was after his fight with sweet pea.:lol:

brooklyn1550

07-01-2007, 03:47 AM

but I don't want the thread to degenerate into that, hatton is up to his old tricks again, and his worth as a fighter is on the line in the fans eyes.

I am a big Hatton fan, but I will lose some respect for him if he decides not to fight Mayweather. The Mayweather camp seems as if they are ready to sign on the dotted line and get the fight made, I just hope Ricky is too.

errsta

07-01-2007, 03:54 AM

All fighters take tuneups.

Floyd fought 6 of them in a row between Castillo and Judah.

skipdog

07-01-2007, 04:01 AM

If you were looking at the biggest fight of your career at a higher weight class would you want a tune up fight?

skipdog

07-01-2007, 04:04 AM

I would no want to watch Gatti v Hatton at all. I have to much respect for him and would not care to see another older warrior get hurt..

sean

07-01-2007, 04:11 AM

bigtime9 wroteHatton has always followed the path of least resistance and his record proves that

very true.
hatton should have aimed to have fought for p4p sharmba mitchell or demarcus corely`s belt instead of opting out and taking the easy route through kosta tszyu.

he then should have stepped up and fought fleet footed/tall /slick baldomir instead of that often beat plodder collazo.

skipdog

07-01-2007, 04:18 AM

bigtime9 wrote

very true.
hatton should have aimed to have fought for p4p sharmba mitchell or demarcus corely`s belt instead of opting out and taking the easy route through kosta tszyu.

he then should have stepped up and fought fleet footed/tall /slick baldomir instead of that often beat plodder collazo.

:rofl

skipdog

07-01-2007, 04:31 AM

Tszyu had not been in as many big wars as Gatti.. The ageing process is harder on Gatti I beleive.

IrnBruMan

07-01-2007, 04:41 AM

ok why does ricky need a tuneup fight at 147? didn't he just fight collazo there two fights ago. how is it that a fighter who is 43-0 still needs a tuneup to fight the best, does ricky have no confidence in his skills? I mean why ask HBO for another tuneup fight in England when you have been campaining in the states to get a big fight with the best fighter on the planet:think

I smell a rat, ricky has no intention of getting in the ring with floyd anytime soon. I think he is waiting on the outcome of the gatti/gomez fight to make a decision. Ricky has been clamouring for a gatti fight for a long time (and we all know why:patsch ) and if gatti gets by gomez then I think hatton will take that option (gatti vs hatton in england:deal ) Ricky has been using floyd's name to promote himself for over two years now. after every fight he has mentioned floyd as a potential opponent, while fighting maussa, collazo, urango, and castillo instead. I don't think hatton is fooling anyone except die hard floyd haters with his current routine. :smoke

Hatton has always followed the path of least resistance and his record proves that. While floyd may have his detractors one thing is clear floyd is three fights away from achieving immortality (hatton, mosley, cotto) within the squared circle, if hatton is a real man he will stop using floyd to promote his next fight (with each fight promising to fight floyd next) and step up to the plate and attempt greatness.

Sorry ricky but the stripteasing is over. Time to get that cherry popped:hat

Prolly for the same reason Fwoyd needed to fight Corley and Brusseles when first moved up to 140, and Mitchell when he first moved up to 147 you dumb motherfucker.

Honestly, if you're going to keep thinking up ways to try to discredit Hatton and promote PBF, try to be a bit smarter about it - it's too damn easy to shoot you down in flames you dumb motherfucker :hi:

"hurhurhurhurhur!!!"

BTW, that rat you smell is up your ass :yep

IrnBruMan

07-01-2007, 04:46 AM

Chileno606

07-01-2007, 04:46 AM

floyd right now to me is top 5 ATG he beats those three he is second only to ray robinson (pnly because ray was bigger:( ). but I don't want the thread to degenerate into that, hatton is up to his old tricks again, and his worth as a fighter is on the line in the fans eyes.

:rofl:rofl:patsch:patsch u sure know your shit:lol:

IrnBruMan

07-01-2007, 04:49 AM

so hatton beats a 36 year old Kosta Zoo and a shot Castillo as his "biggest" wins. his career has "OVERRATED" written all over it. He should stick to fighting in sold out arenas in England fighting bums, where is overzealous fans admire wrestling more then boxing.

So PBF beats a 34 year old De La Hoya and a shot Sharmba Mitchell and Zab Judah as his biggest wins. His career has "OVERRATED" written all over it. He should stay retired.

lillarry

07-01-2007, 05:10 AM

So PBF beats a 34 year old De La Hoya and a shot Sharmba Mitchell and Zab Judah as his biggest wins. His career has "OVERRATED" written all over it. He should stay retired.

I knew this thread would turn into a Mayweather bashing thread. Thanks for being so predictable.:roll:

IrnBruMan

07-01-2007, 05:15 AM

I knew this thread would turn into a Mayweather bashing thread. Thanks for being so predictable.:roll:

:| :| :|

What a cheek! Imagine turning a Hatton bashing thread into a PBF bashing thread :scaredas:

The pathetic thing is PBF nuthuggers don't realise how hypocritical they are.

skipdog

07-01-2007, 05:21 AM

ok why does ricky need a tuneup fight at 147? didn't he just fight collazo there two fights ago. how is it that a fighter who is 43-0 still needs a tuneup to fight the best, does ricky have no confidence in his skills? I mean why ask HBO for another tuneup fight in England when you have been campaining in the states to get a big fight with the best fighter on the planet:think

I smell a rat, ricky has no intention of getting in the ring with floyd anytime soon. I think he is waiting on the outcome of the gatti/gomez fight to make a decision. Ricky has been clamouring for a gatti fight for a long time (and we all know why:patsch ) and if gatti gets by gomez then I think hatton will take that option (gatti vs hatton in england:deal ) Ricky has been using floyd's name to promote himself for over two years now. after every fight he has mentioned floyd as a potential opponent, while fighting maussa, collazo, urango, and castillo instead. I don't think hatton is fooling anyone except die hard floyd haters with his current routine. :smoke

Hatton has always followed the path of least resistance and his record proves that. While floyd may have his detractors one thing is clear floyd is three fights away from achieving immortality (hatton, mosley, cotto) within the squared circle, if hatton is a real man he will stop using floyd to promote his next fight (with each fight promising to fight floyd next) and step up to the plate and attempt greatness.

Sorry ricky but the stripteasing is over. Time to get that cherry popped:hat

I think there is a chance Floyd loses 2 out of those three you mentioned... Hatton/Mosley/Cotto...

lillarry

07-01-2007, 05:23 AM

:| :| :|

What a cheek! Imagine turning a Hatton bashing thread into a PBF bashing thread :scaredas:

The pathetic thing is PBF nuthuggers don't realise how hypocritical they are.

Im a fan of both fighters but if Hatton or Mayweather makes a excuse to back out of this fight they will look like a fool in the eyes of many boxing fans. They is no turning back for either one imo

IrnBruMan

07-01-2007, 05:24 AM

Im a fan of both fighters but if Hatton or Mayweather makes a excuse to back out of this fight they will look like a fool in the eyes of many boxing fans. They is no turning back for either one imo

I hope you judged Floyd with that same logic when he declined to fight Margo.

I hope you used that same logic when Floyd chose to fight Brusseles in an eliminator for the right to fight Gatti instead of setting his sights on Tszyu.

skipdog

07-01-2007, 05:26 AM

I want to see those four in an elimination tournament.. HAtton, Shane, Cotto, Floyd..

Sheehan

07-01-2007, 05:27 AM

lillarry

07-01-2007, 05:38 AM

I hope you judged Floyd with that same logic when he declined to fight Margo.

I hope you used that same logic when Floyd chose to fight Brusseles in an eliminator for the right to fight Gatti instead of setting his sights on Tszyu.

So if you are Hatton who do you fight next?:bbb

IrnBruMan

07-01-2007, 05:43 AM

So if you are Hatton who do you fight next?:bbb

I don't know, I'm not Hatton.

But if Floyd wants this fight at 147 I think Hatton is entitled to a tune up at that weight since he obviously wasn't comfortable in his initial foray into that division.

Perhaps Malignaggi would be a good fight for him, but would Paulie want to risk a 2nd loss at this point in his career?

Judah could be another possibility.

psychopath

07-01-2007, 05:50 AM

Hattom wants a tune up at 147? No problem :yep he can fight Cotto or Margarito. :lol: :lol: :lol:

:good

Danny Ocean

07-01-2007, 05:56 AM

if hatton doesnt fight pbf next every fight he has til the end of his career will be a tune-up

IrnBruMan

07-01-2007, 05:58 AM

Hattom wants a tune up at 147? No problem :yep he can fight Cotto or Margarito. :lol: :lol: :lol:

:good

Margo would be a good opponent too

IrnBruMan

07-01-2007, 05:59 AM

if hatton doesnt fight pbf next every fight he has til the end of his career will be a tune-up

Have you ever realised how stupid you are.

SevenSamurai

07-01-2007, 06:24 AM

In Britains biggest selling sunday paper today there is an interview with Hatton in which he states:

I only want one MORE fight this year and it has to be against a big name.

Then there is the fact that he is scheduled to fight Mayweather in November and my conclusion is that this story of him wanting a tune up is a bit old.

This quote about a tune-up before Mayweather was around before Urango fight, so I think this "news" is a bit old or simply untrue.

joe the great

07-01-2007, 08:24 AM

Maybe he news a tuneup so he can become a greasy fast English Monster.

Boxing Gloves

07-01-2007, 10:55 AM

At the end of the day, if the fight is to happen at 147lbs then he is going to need a tune up, he wasnt comfortable at all against collazo,
for those who have followed Hattons career like myself, you will be familiar
with Hattons amazing fitness levels in fights, in the collazo fight he was
blowing heavy towards the end of the fight, also he wasnt very strong at that weight, I feel the problem can be resolved, but he needs to build his self up in to a welterweight, i know some ignorant people on here will say its only 7lbs, but Hatton is a natural light welterweight, he is not built for welterweight, so he needs to gradually build himself into one.

I dont think he will have a tune up anyway, as Hatton has stated he will only fight once more this year and that looks likely to be Mayweather.
If he is to stay at Light Welterweight and doesnt fight Mayweather, then I hope its either against Witter/Harris winner or hopefully Diaz moves up to fight him, as 140lbs is a bit thin of talent at the minute.

Anyway this talk of 147lbs...I thought they were on about a catchweight fight at 143lbs????

The Kurgan

07-01-2007, 11:14 AM

07-01-2007, 11:18 AM

That one line has got the haters up in arms. But if you'll notice, it might say "Hobson insists, blah, blah" but he didn't actually say it. There's no quote attributed to him on that matter.

So there's no point going ape shit about Hatton being a joke, tune up this and that, when there's no evidence to suggest that.

sandwichsurgeon

07-01-2007, 12:50 PM

If your undefeated, and claim to be the greatest fighter walking around today why should you need a tune up fight. Oh yea, cause your a bitch.

Hatton has stated on numerous occasions that Mayweather is the P4P no1 so where you got that idea from i don't know.

jimmie

07-01-2007, 12:56 PM

What a bitch Hatton is the guy needs a tuneup and fight the fight in Manchester. Hatton knows Floyd doesnt want a tuneup so he think Floyd will sit around until April taking almost a year off. Is it any clearer now to the nuthuggers that Hatton doesnt want this fight he just feels pressured into it.

jimmie

07-01-2007, 01:02 PM

Asterion

07-01-2007, 01:07 PM

I don't think Castillo was shot in the fight against Hatton.

However, he was (and is) past his prime. I said this before the fight.

The Kurgan

07-01-2007, 01:31 PM

I don't think Castillo was shot in the fight against Hatton.

However, he was (and is) past his prime. I said this before the fight.

Duly noted. There's no shame in stating that IF you said so before hand, which I seem to remember you did. I agree, although I think Castillo was still world-class and that Hatton proved he would have stopped any version of Castillo.

igotJUIC3

07-01-2007, 01:36 PM

People who do not understand tune-ups do not understand boxing.

In order to prepare fully for a top-flight flight a boxer needs to prepare fully for his opponent's style.

Hatton has not faced a back-peddler the likes of Mayweather, and one competitive fight against a defensive fighter makes good sense.

I just hope that Mayweather is brave enough to accept Hatton's challenge and the purse offer and comes to England to fight Hatton. Somehow i doubt it. Mayweather has never fought outside of the USA (that to me speaks volumes). Hatton, by comparison has fought 6 times in the USA, including his second only bout, at Madison Square Garden.

Hatton would fill Wembley, Mayweather would fill the MacDonalds outside. I was at the Calzaghe fight against Jeff Lacy, and I spoke to some of the Lacy fans afterwards. They had come as a group, all 32 of them!! There were a few more than that at ringside, but mainly expat Americans working in England. I think everyone saw how many followers came to see Hatton's last fight.

Wherever Hatton fights Mayweather, I will be there to see it. How many of the so-called US fight fans in this forum will travel to England to watch Mayweather. Speak up. There must be somebody.

Wibs

I hear yor point but listen....10 MILLION DOLLARS???????????? The man just made 20!!! Any boxing follower knows what Hatton is doing he is pricing himself out because he knows Floyd aint fightin for that...who would fight for that.....this is the facts...Floyd was the challenger for ODH...so floyd accepted ALL of ODH's stipulations...ring size, glove size, catch weight, and purse...why..beacause ODH was the champion and the premiere fighter! HATTON needs and should do the same if he so called wants FLOYD soooooooooo bad as he says. Now im not against Hatton i would love to see the fight but these are the facts man...Hatton is the challenger...not champion....he must succumb Floyd's stipulations but the ....fight in Las Vegas it can only do wonders for his population anyway it cant hurt it, 147 wieght class....why not Floyd moved up for ODH cus he wanted him so whats the problem with Hatton if he really wnats him, and secondly...10 million dollars....come on man he cant be serious.

ajc1984

07-01-2007, 01:39 PM

Jesus Christ, this one line in an article, with no quote attributed to it, has really got the forum's resident retards up in arms huh?

C Money

07-01-2007, 01:51 PM

Sing this song when Floyd calls the 10 mil offer or counters with better!!

IMO, that snippet (which could have been out of context) may reference the LIKELYHOOD that Floyd still hasnt signed or countered Hattons offer.

UNTIL TEAM MAYWEATHER MAKES A MOVE or COUNTER-OFFER, about this fight??

Fagtime 9 and the rest can have a 64 oz MUG of SHUT THE FUCK UP:lol:

The Kurgan

07-01-2007, 01:54 PM

I hear yor point but listen....10 MILLION DOLLARS???????????? The man just made 20!!! Any boxing follower knows what Hatton is doing he is pricing himself out because he knows Floyd aint fightin for that

You don't price yourself out by making offers. You price yourself out by ASKING for bigger offers.

If Hatton wanted to price himself out, he wouldn't have put forward an offer.

C Money

07-01-2007, 01:59 PM

You don't price yourself out by making offers. You price yourself out by ASKING for bigger offers.

If Hatton wanted to price himself out, he wouldn't have put forward an offer.

Floyd got 20 because of DLH, simple and plain.

THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL he makes 20 vs ANYONE ELSE:good That would take a streak of victories against top guy's to earn that juice and Floyd aint close yet.

K_Ologist

07-01-2007, 02:04 PM

Floyd got 20 because of DLH, simple and plain.

THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL he makes 20 vs ANYONE ELSE:good That would take a streak of victories against top guy's to earn that juice and Floyd aint close yet.

Thank You!!! I've been reading posts on several websites and a lot of people think Hatton's lowballing Floyd. The only reason (not because he's a draw, not because he's great, not because he has tremendous skill) Floyd got paid that much was because of Oscar. I thought Pretty Boy was crazy to pass up 8 Mil to fight Margarito.

igotJUIC3

07-01-2007, 02:06 PM

You don't price yourself out by making offers. You price yourself out by ASKING for bigger offers.

If Hatton wanted to price himself out, he wouldn't have put forward an offer.

i probaly worded that wrong my fault what i mean is he offereing deals that he knows FLoyd or any fighter would not take...10 million and come to UK..he is making deals that are obsurd....if he was for real i would have said 10 million in Las Vegas but he says 10 million and in UK...come on man...if you cant see through this nonsense then....its a sad day.

Also Hatton doesnt want to fight at 147 which is where they will.....Hatton doesnt want to accept anything....i dont understand tht because he is not the premiere fighter...he is the challenger.....like floyd did for Oscar...Hatton should do Vice Versa...why isnt he?

C Money

07-01-2007, 02:08 PM

i probaly worded that wrong my fault what i mean is he offereing deals that he knows FLoyd or any fighter would not take...10 million and come to UK..he is making deals that are obsurd....if he was for real i would have said 10 million in Las Vegas but he says 10 million and in UK...come on man...if you cant see through this nonsense then....its a sad day.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Floyd's the one that wants Vegas and what's wrong with 10 mil??
BOTH LEGACIES ARE IMPACTED with this fight, so WHAT THE HELL IS FLOYDS OFFER???

Dont knock it, until you come better:good

sandwichsurgeon

07-01-2007, 02:12 PM

All the people saying "our hero and idol Floyd obviously deserves 100 gazillion dollars no matter who he is fighting" obviously don't realise that

a) that isn't true

and

b) the traditional method implimented when haggling is for both parties to make an offer and then let negotiations ensue.

The Kurgan

07-01-2007, 02:13 PM

Floyd got 20 because of DLH, simple and plain.

THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL he makes 20 vs ANYONE ELSE:good That would take a streak of victories against top guy's to earn that juice and Floyd aint close yet.

I was under the impression that he made $25 million against DLH. I could be wrong though. Certainly, $20 million would only happen if it were a percentage and the fight was promoted really well, but it's not out of the question.

However, Floyd should not expect more than $15 million if he fights again. Anything more is a bonus.

igotJUIC3

07-01-2007, 02:15 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Floyd's the one that wants Vegas and what's wrong with 10 mil??
BOTH LEGACIES ARE IMPACTED with this fight, so WHAT THE HELL IS FLOYDS OFFER???

Dont knock it, until you come better:good

No Floyd is not fighting i the UK as Hatton Wants and hatton wants an out right 10 million for Floyd....there are other things more to it than just a out right sallary cap....they get percentages to of the buys and sales. Floyd dosnt have to fight Hatton for a Legacy he can fight Mosley or Cotto and get the same rep....probaly can make more with Cotto if you ask me. Hatton however is so stuck on Floyd because he is the biggest name...if he is so tough as he says and wants to make a name tell him to see Cotto or Mosley.

Hatton shouldnt offer anything because he is the challenger...he did right in openly challenging Floyd now your right Floyd must do the rest which he is but i gurantee Hatton turns it down!

Mrboogie23

07-01-2007, 02:16 PM

I dont think he should get a tuneup personally. he already fought at welterweight before.

I mean floyd fought 154 without a tuneup didnt he? I'm not discrediting Hatton, I like him, I just think a tuneup would be a waste of time.

07-01-2007, 02:23 PM

Seriously, where has this tune-up nonsense come from? The mind of Bigtime9?

That article says nothing about a tune-up, first and foremost. It does suggest that Hatton may fight someone else before Mayweather. But that line has not been substantiated whatsoever. The quotes from Hobson have been on every site that covers boxing. It's nothing new. Except here the author of the article says that "Hobson insists" some rubbish. But where did that come from? Not from those quotes, that's for sure.

C Money

07-01-2007, 02:28 PM

No Floyd is not fighting i the UK as Hatton Wants and hatton wants an out right 10 million for Floyd....there are other things more to it than just a out right sallary cap....they get percentages to of the buys and sales. Floyd dosnt have to fight Hatton for a Legacy he can fight Mosley or Cotto and get the same rep....probaly can make more with Cotto if you ask me. Hatton however is so stuck on Floyd because he is the biggest name...if he is so tough as he says and wants to make a name tell him to see Cotto or Mosley.

Hatton shouldnt offer anything because he is the challenger...he did right in openly challenging Floyd now your right Floyd must do the rest which he is but i gurantee Hatton turns it down!

SSM, Cotto, Margarito vs Williams winner, and Hatton ARE ALL REQUIRED for Floyd to enhance his legacy amongst the all-time greats as he thinks he deserves. It aint just 1 and done, no matter what comes outta Floyd's lips. Legacies are based on facts, not opinions.
Out of any of those, Hatton has the largest and most supporting fanbase and will represent the most lucrative opportunity. Since money is floyd's motivation?? It's the logical fight.

Hatton has every right to make an offer, it's called negoitiation. technically PBf made the first offer, but it must have been a JOKE because no terms were disclosed. If it was better, BELIEVE team Mayweather would have said so.

The bottomline is about dollars and cents and the highest bid should win. Floyd has indicated and contradicted himself, all in the same interview:lol:, where he indicated he could fight in the UK.

Money TALKS, BULLSHIT WALKS!!! Where's Floyd's offer/counter-offer?? IMO PBF should get 15, Hatton should get 10 wherever it takes place. Maybe those arent the guaranteed base numbers, but the base offer plus PPV/attendance revenues should push the sums in that range.

It's floyds move, why so silent?? Where's the counter-offer??

stake501

07-01-2007, 02:31 PM

i think its meant to read fry up not tune up

that is Hattons tradition

igotJUIC3

07-01-2007, 02:58 PM

SSM, Cotto, Margarito vs Williams winner, and Hatton ARE ALL REQUIRED for Floyd to enhance his legacy amongst the all-time greats as he thinks he deserves. It aint just 1 and done, no matter what comes outta Floyd's lips. Legacies are based on facts, not opinions.
Out of any of those, Hatton has the largest and most supporting fanbase and will represent the most lucrative opportunity. Since money is floyd's motivation?? It's the logical fight.

Hatton has every right to make an offer, it's called negoitiation. technically PBf made the first offer, but it must have been a JOKE because no terms were disclosed. If it was better, BELIEVE team Mayweather would have said so.

The bottomline is about dollars and cents and the highest bid should win. Floyd has indicated and contradicted himself, all in the same interview:lol:, where he indicated he could fight in the UK.

Money TALKS, BULLSHIT WALKS!!! Where's Floyd's offer/counter-offer?? IMO PBF should get 15, Hatton should get 10 wherever it takes place. Maybe those arent the guaranteed base numbers, but the base offer plus PPV/attendance revenues should push the sums in that range.

It's floyds move, why so silent?? Where's the counter-offer??

Good points...but you even stated your self you think Floyd should get 15...and thats just us u know Floyd thinks he is ALL WORLD he balks at 10 million i know it u know it and Hatton knows it...he did that just so Floyd could say no and he could say Floyd dont wanna fight but he already turned down and offer to fight floyd earlier anyway.

You say Floyd has to make a counter offer and they will behind closed doors not publicly with rediculous offers. And like i said Hatton is the CHallenger....and he should be the one who accepts Floyds stips ...just like Floyd accepted ALL of Oscars and Osar had everything his way except the outcome! If he dont wanna fight in UK why is that such a problem for Hatton?

You listed the names of people who he can fight to enhance his Legacy....and i do stand corrected because your right he should fight Hatton but i think so only if Hatton is undefeated other than that i dont think he needs Hatton...he could fight Cotto and Shane and his legacy be legit.

C Money

07-01-2007, 03:35 PM

Good points...but you even stated your self you think Floyd should get 15...and thats just us u know Floyd thinks he is ALL WORLD he balks at 10 million i know it u know it and Hatton knows it...he did that just so Floyd could say no and he could say Floyd dont wanna fight but he already turned down and offer to fight floyd earlier anyway.

You say Floyd has to make a counter offer and they will behind closed doors not publicly with rediculous offers. And like i said Hatton is the CHallenger....and he should be the one who accepts Floyds stips ...just like Floyd accepted ALL of Oscars and Osar had everything his way except the outcome! If he dont wanna fight in UK why is that such a problem for Hatton?

You listed the names of people who he can fight to enhance his Legacy....and i do stand corrected because your right he should fight Hatton but i think so only if Hatton is undefeated other than that i dont think he needs Hatton...he could fight Cotto and Shane and his legacy be legit.

There's NO REASON to hide behind closed doors and that's why Hatton's camp went PUBLIC. Besides, whatever contract gets signed will be public knowledge any way.Team Mayweather can talk all the shit they want, IT MEANS NOTHING.

Thing is my man, FLOYD IS BUSY TALKING IN CRICLES, as usual:good there is another thread with AUDIO of Floyd saying he'll retire in front of ALL HIS UK FANS(:lol: :lol: :lol: Both of em:lol: :lol: ). So it comes down to $$$$$$$$$, if Floyds wants Vegas, make a better offer, or name the price to fight in the UK.

It aint rocket science, it's money:good

badger6

07-01-2007, 04:08 PM

igotJUIC3

07-01-2007, 04:36 PM

There's NO REASON to hide behind closed doors and that's why Hatton's camp went PUBLIC. Besides, whatever contract gets signed will be public knowledge any way.Team Mayweather can talk all the shit they want, IT MEANS NOTHING.

Thing is my man, FLOYD IS BUSY TALKING IN CRICLES, as usual:good there is another thread with AUDIO of Floyd saying he'll retire in front of ALL HIS UK FANS(:lol: :lol: :lol: Both of em:lol: :lol: ). So it comes down to $$$$$$$$$, if Floyds wants Vegas, make a better offer, or name the price to fight in the UK.

It aint rocket science, it's money:good

Whats the point of public offers such as the nonsense Hatton has suggested? Its pointless he made his statement about PBF and PBF said lets fight...so all they gotta do is work the contracts out .... name another fight in which they shout out purse publicly????? Hatton knew what he was doing...if he wanted Floyd so bad 2 things...1 it would have been happened cus it was offered to him but turned down...and two...if he want and thinks he can beat Floyd so bad...why not accept whatever and wherever floyd wants...except money wise...i do agree that must be fair but where and what weight shouldnt matter.....Hatton doesnt wanna fight 147. Hatton doesnt want to fight in US either...he is already denying parts of the negotiation.....what your not realizing is Floyd wanted Oscar so he did whatever Oscar wanted.....Hatton wants Floyd.....but the same can not be said.

igotJUIC3

07-01-2007, 04:37 PM

Pussy Boy wants no part of "the wrecking ball" Cotto !!!

Man as good as Cotto is...the boy gets hit so much it isnt funny against people nowhere near PBF.....as accurate as PBF is...man please...he is better off fighting Hatton or Margarito maybe Williams...lol

acb

07-01-2007, 04:52 PM

Man as good as Cotto is...the boy gets hit so much it isnt funny against people nowhere near PBF.....as accurate as PBF is...man please...he is better off fighting Hatton or Margarito maybe Williams...lol

Blah blah blah. The man is undefeated. For all the times he has been hit, he has come back in devastating fashion to win (usually finishing his opponents).

hitman_hatton1

07-01-2007, 05:10 PM

hobson wants a payday don't he. :yep

everyone knows he's been paying over the odds for ricky.

pipe wrenched

07-01-2007, 05:25 PM

Bigcat

07-01-2007, 05:30 PM

Tuneup wasn't a great choice of words , he means a lesser championship fight while the larger fight gets arranged.. Money is the big issue.....

Lance_Uppercut

07-01-2007, 05:31 PM

nervousxtian

07-01-2007, 05:33 PM

If Ricky insists on a tune-up, it's because he doesn't really want this fight.

If he wants Floyd, take it next.

Ricky isn't in the position to make Floyd.

Ricky needs this more than Floyd.

C Money

07-01-2007, 05:34 PM

Whats the point of public offers such as the nonsense Hatton has suggested? Its pointless he made his statement about PBF and PBF said lets fight...so all they gotta do is work the contracts out .... name another fight in which they shout out purse publicly????? Hatton knew what he was doing...if he wanted Floyd so bad 2 things...1 it would have been happened cus it was offered to him but turned down...and two...if he want and thinks he can beat Floyd so bad...why not accept whatever and wherever floyd wants...except money wise...i do agree that must be fair but where and what weight shouldnt matter.....Hatton doesnt wanna fight 147. Hatton doesnt want to fight in US either...he is already denying parts of the negotiation.....what your not realizing is Floyd wanted Oscar so he did whatever Oscar wanted.....Hatton wants Floyd.....but the same can not be said.

Like i said, whatever deal is signed ISNT SECRET!! It makes NO difference that the numbers are made public prior, UNLESS they are trying to hide some lowball deal, which is likely the case on Team mayweather side. This way at least hatton has some public record id PBF nixes the fight and then CLAIMS hatton ducked him.Bitching about it is POINTLESS!! Come correct and there isnt shit to bitch about.

Skip the "it was offered prior" bullshit:good those offer's came within a six month period BEFORE Hatton's contract with ****** expired. They werent going to lose a significant some of a huge fight, to ******. Just like PBF when he BOUGHT OUT his contract with Arum. Mentioning all of this is POINTLESS since they are discussing and offering at the moment. If floyd's determined to prove himself, then DO IT!!

No one's gonna accept an unfair offer and Hatton and PBF dont equate to DLH in drawing power. Of course you'll do whatever DLH wants when you're gonna make 20 + Mil. Bringing this up is POINTLESS and irrelevant to the situation.

AGAIN, IT'S MONEY!! Highest offer WINS. Hatton has said he wants the fight regardless of location. Yes, they expressed desire for the UK and made an offer to get it there. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!!!!!! If Floyd really wanted a HUGE STAGE to express his dominance, THE UK will provide that platform. Floyd has said that's possible, so the only remaining question is HOW MUCH??

Either way?? Name the price and sign the fight.

Lance_Uppercut

07-01-2007, 05:36 PM

Mayweather is likely the one to kill any chance of this fight happening. He'll demand TOO much money thinking he's the next golden boy.

C Money

07-01-2007, 05:47 PM

Mayweather is likely the one to kill any chance of this fight happening. He'll demand TOO much money thinking he's the next golden boy.

Could well be true, but Floyd's come farther in negoitiations than expected and ITS CLEAR that Hatton has gotten under his skin.

The Kurgan

07-01-2007, 05:47 PM

I need help here. I admit that although for the last several years I have become as strong a boxing fan as I can that compared to alot of guys on ESB i'm rather green. How in the hell is it that Ricky can make an offer of 10 mil to Floyd to come to UK, but the Calz/Kessler fight is in serious jeopardy because HBO isn't willing to give 5 mil for the fight. PBF's purse alone here is more / equal to the amount Calz/Kess combined. How can this be?

The US is the only market where serious money can be made in boxing. Hatton VS PBF means something to American fans, casual or dedicated; Kessler VS Calzaghe only draws the dedicated American fans.

C Money

07-01-2007, 05:53 PM

The US is the only market where serious money can be made in boxing. Hatton VS PBF means something to American fans, casual or dedicated; Kessler VS Calzaghe only draws the dedicated American fans.

On a side note, it seems VERY SAD to me that the UK/Danish/Euro fans cant support what should be a European superfight between two of the best Euro fighters in a very long time:good Indeed, that shows that the USA is the MECCA of Boxing.

pipe wrenched

07-01-2007, 05:56 PM

The US is the only market where serious money can be made in boxing. Hatton VS PBF means something to American fans, casual or dedicated; Kessler VS Calzaghe only draws the dedicated American fans.

Meaning that HBO will pay out a shit load for this one?? because other than that it's not like there's gonna be 15,000 americans flying over to watch pbf. So with out HBO putting up the money where the hell is it gonna come from?? Is Ricky a way bigger draw in UK than Calzaghe?
I know i saw a packed house with that Manfredo deal.

C Money

07-01-2007, 06:03 PM

Meaning that HBO will pay out a shit load for this one?? because other than that it's not like there's gonna be 15,000 americans flying over to watch pbf. So with out HBO putting up the money where the hell is it gonna come from?? Is Ricky a way bigger draw in UK than Calzaghe?
I know i saw a packed house with that Manfredo deal.

At $49.95?? HBO PPV would generate roughly 25 mil at 500, 000 Us buy's and close to 35 Mil at 700,000buys.They wont lose $$$$$$$, they'll make a very nice sum:good

pipe wrenched

07-01-2007, 06:14 PM

At $49.95?? HBO PPV would generate roughly 25 mil at 500, 000 Us buy's and close to 35 Mil at 700,000buys.They wont lose $$$$$$$, they'll make a very nice sum:good

So before Ricky even came out with this offer his team were confident about HBO's shelling out the cash?

IrnBruMan

07-01-2007, 07:13 PM

If your undefeated, and claim to be the greatest fighter walking around today why should you need a tune up fight. Oh yea, cause your a bitch.

When has Hatton claimed to be the greatest fighter walking around today?

PBF's the one who does that :-(

audio101

07-01-2007, 07:27 PM

Hatton will never fight Mayweather, for him to have to take a tune up fight is complete BS. I guess we shouldn't be surprised by this though since he did the exact samething after the Kostya Tszyu fight. It's sad that every fight these days seems to be some kind of tune up fight. :patsch

bigtime9

07-01-2007, 07:54 PM

errsta

07-01-2007, 09:44 PM

All fighters take tuneups.

Floyd fought 6 of them in a row between Castillo and Judah.

:happy :happy

mancat

07-01-2007, 10:07 PM

If you were looking at the biggest fight of your career at a higher weight class would you want a tune up fight?

Floyd didn't take a tune up at 154 for DLH.

C Money

07-01-2007, 10:53 PM

So before Ricky even came out with this offer his team were confident about HBO's shelling out the cash?

What i am saying is HBO had a 3 fight deal to give Hatton stateside exposure to build a mega-fight with Floyd.

SO?? It seems safe to speculate that HBO, Hatton, Floyd, and everyone else KNOWS this fight makes money. Why would they give Hatton a 3 fight NON-PPV deal which lets more people see Hatton, in the USA and worldwide, and then suddenly back out when the BIG FIGHT COMES?? It's common sense:good

My question is, whats SO HARD about giving PBF15 and Hatton 10 or a base number + based on sales which could net those amounts???
This fight will do nice numbers and there's $$$$$$ to go around.

skipdog

07-01-2007, 11:08 PM

audio101

07-01-2007, 11:35 PM

I dont have a problem with him taking a tuneup fight at 147, if Floyd wanted to do the same thing if he was dropping in weight I would say that was fair as well.

When you are going up against the #1 guy in a weight class you want to be sure you are 100%.

Hmmm lets see he's sord of had a couple yrs to prepare, he's well aware he doesn't stand a chance so I guess these so called tune up fights is what helps him avoid him..:hi:

Prime Director

07-02-2007, 05:12 AM

If Hatton does fight a tune-up, maybe he should fight Junior Witter.

By so doing, he could pick up a belt, eliminate a domestic rival, galvanize his position as the premiere UK fighter in the lower weights and get some practice tracking down a tricky, defensive-minded mover (who nonetheless probably hits harder than PBF).

The only problem here is Witter's backward-*ss Brendan Ingle style. Would it really prepare Hatton for PBF?

smokey

07-02-2007, 05:16 AM

I dont have a problem with him taking a tuneup fight at 147, if Floyd wanted to do the same thing if he was dropping in weight I would say that was fair as well.

When you are going up against the #1 guy in a weight class you want to be sure you are 100%.
I'd give him a pass, except he said the same thing when Floyd was fighting at 140. His people said he would need a couple of fights to be ready to fight Mayweather.

Since when does the linear champ get to tune up for challengers? What champ isn't ready to defend his title? That's the moment when I lost respect for Hatton as the 140lb champ. I give him more credit now, but only because he's not dismissing challenges from rivals in his weight class. If does fight another fight in between, it should be against the winner of Harris-Witter.

theunderdog

07-02-2007, 06:05 AM

If FMJ came down to light-welter, then that's fine - no tunes ups needed - it's nearer FMJ's natural weight anyway. If Hatton goes up to 147, then he needs time to let his body adjust to that - you're carrying 7lbs, usually of extra muscle - it affects speed and response time - you can't figure that out in sparring against a makeshift FMJ.

Why in the hell does FMJ think he deserves $20 million? Because he narrowly beat Oscar?

Nope - he needs to be an attraction and he's just not an exciting fighter at his current weight. I think if he went down to light-welter he'd be more interesting because he wouldn't be risking punishment at the hands of bigger men - but he's a b-list fighter with a-list skills.

He needs Hatton, Mosley and Cotto to secure a legacy - but he's still not an ATG - he's a Hall fo Famer, just for his skills perhaps, but he's not beloved or entertaining enough to justify the money he wants.

If he beats Hatton, convincingly and in an exciting fashion, then he'd be able to command more money because people would want to see what he'll do next.

:D :D :lol: :lol:

smokey

07-02-2007, 06:11 AM

Why in the hell does FMJ think he deserves $20 million? Because he narrowly beat Oscar?

Nope - he needs to be an attraction and he's just not an exciting fighter at his current weight. I think if he went down to light-welter he'd be more interesting because he wouldn't be risking punishment at the hands of bigger men - but he's a b-list fighter with a-list skills.

He needs Hatton, Mosley and Cotto to secure a legacy - but he's still not an ATG - he's a Hall fo Famer, just for his skills perhaps, but he's not beloved or entertaining enough to justify the money he wants.

It's true that Floyd had a lot of detractors, but a "b-list fighter"?!?! Please! Floyd is a well known boxer as far as boxers go in the US. He regularly apears in sports mags and even in non-sports oriented mags. He's Maxim magazines goto guy for boxing information. All the people here who act like Floyd has the fame of a Malignaggi are just wrong.

I know people who never watch boxing who know who Floyd Mayweather is. Most of them have a completely incorrect view of what kind of fighter he is, too. I had people coming to watch the De La Hoya fight asking me if I though Mayweather would KO Oscar. That in itself shows he has name recognition outside of hardcore boxing fans.

Besides, Mayweather has built a hell of a lot more legacy than Hatton has. 5 weight divisions and the closest he's come to losing is to a future hall of fame fighter. Hatton: 1 weight class, 1 foray into a weight class that almost ended in disaster against someone nobody will remember in 5 years. Hatton shown himself to be a good 140 pound fighter, but he has two big names on his record both of whom were on the downside from a historical perspective.

DonPrestige

07-02-2007, 06:20 AM

smokey

07-02-2007, 06:25 AM

Yeh, saying he's a b list fighter is quite silly. You dont have to be liked to be considered an ATG or atleast you shouldnt have to. If the guy has A class skills then he should be on A class list. I like Augustine Emmanuel but that doesnt mean I'll rate him any higher.
Yeah. I'm not a Mayweather fan, but you have to recognize the skills and accomplishments. I do think that he should have taken some tougher opponents along the way, but it's not like he didn't take ANY tought opponents. Angel Manfredi (fresh off win over prime Gatti), undefeated Corrales, Jesus Chavez, and Castillo... not exactly a list of pushovers.

albaneze

07-02-2007, 06:27 AM

What if the Tunneup Guy beats Hatton's Ass badly. Hmmm ? that would do some damage there. ;)..

smokey

07-02-2007, 06:28 AM

What if the Tunneup Guy beats Hatton's Ass badly. Hmmm ? that would do some damage there. ;)..

If Hatton doesn't make this fine happen fairly quickly, it might happen. He really needs to stay active.

albaneze

07-02-2007, 06:29 AM

Yeah. I'm not a Mayweather fan, but you have to recognize the skills and accomplishments. I do think that he should have taken some tougher opponents along the way, but it's not like he didn't take ANY tought opponents. Angel Manfredi (fresh off win over prime Gatti), undefeated Corrales, Jesus Chavez, and Castillo... not exactly a list of pushovers.

I Dont like Maywether too Chicken for Me. I Like COTTO, ODH. They come to get you. Not Like maywether running away, bullshit boxing style.

IrnBruMan

07-02-2007, 06:37 AM

Floyd didn't take a tune up at 154 for DLH.

PBF didn't fight at 154 - he weighed all of 149 on fight night :nut

ron u.k.

07-02-2007, 07:22 AM

ok why does ricky need a tuneup fight at 147? didn't he just fight collazo there two fights ago. how is it that a fighter who is 43-0 still needs a tuneup to fight the best, does ricky have no confidence in his skills? I mean why ask HBO for another tuneup fight in England when you have been campaining in the states to get a big fight with the best fighter on the planet:think

I smell a rat, ricky has no intention of getting in the ring with floyd anytime soon. I think he is waiting on the outcome of the gatti/gomez fight to make a decision. Ricky has been clamouring for a gatti fight for a long time (and we all know why:patsch ) and if gatti gets by gomez then I think hatton will take that option (gatti vs hatton in england:deal ) Ricky has been using floyd's name to promote himself for over two years now. after every fight he has mentioned floyd as a potential opponent, while fighting maussa, collazo, urango, and castillo instead. I don't think hatton is fooling anyone except die hard floyd haters with his current routine. :smoke

Hatton has always followed the path of least resistance and his record proves that. While floyd may have his detractors one thing is clear floyd is three fights away from achieving immortality (hatton, mosley, cotto) within the squared circle, if hatton is a real man he will stop using floyd to promote his next fight (with each fight promising to fight floyd next) and step up to the plate and attempt greatness.

Sorry ricky but the stripteasing is over. Time to get that cherry popped:hatwow shock,horror, this is new in boxing a fighter wanting a tune up fight.he must be a coward.

pipe wrenched

07-02-2007, 07:36 AM

What i am saying is HBO had a 3 fight deal to give Hatton stateside exposure to build a mega-fight with Floyd.

SO?? It seems safe to speculate that HBO, Hatton, Floyd, and everyone else KNOWS this fight makes money. Why would they give Hatton a 3 fight NON-PPV deal which lets more people see Hatton, in the USA and worldwide, and then suddenly back out when the BIG FIGHT COMES?? It's common sense:good

My question is, whats SO HARD about giving PBF15 and Hatton 10 or a base number + based on sales which could net those amounts???
This fight will do nice numbers and there's $$$$$$ to go around.

C Money- Thanks for the help bro. Like i said i'm nowhere near an expert just an avid fan. I was honestly asking and I really appreciate your taking time to explain. Thanks again.:rasta

Taffyy

07-02-2007, 07:53 AM

so hatton beats a 36 year old Kosta Zoo and a shot Castillo as his "biggest" wins. his career has "OVERRATED" written all over it. He should stick to fighting in sold out arenas in England fighting bums, where is overzealous fans admire wrestling more then boxing.
Fuck off..............
Judge him when his careers over.........He will fight Mayweather & win or loose he'll shut alot of mouths in the process.......as for his overzealous fans.............400 over here can make more noise & create a better atmosphere then the fucking morgues most of the American fights take place in............as for the wrestling....thers more to him than that & you know it..............Fucking haters.........I despise them..........:fire

mancat

07-02-2007, 09:18 AM

PBF didn't fight at 154 - he weighed all of 149 on fight night :nut

So Hatton should fight PBF at Welterweight, but come in weighing 142. That way, acording to your rationale, Hatton wouldn't need a tune-up.

David UK

07-02-2007, 09:24 AM

As I've said before, hatton wants his next fight in the UK. Assuming Mayweather has no intention of travelling, and Hatton gets his wish, his next fight isn't going to be Mayweather. Simple as that. Nothing to do with a tune up

audio101

07-02-2007, 11:27 AM

wow shock,horror, this is new in boxing a fighter wanting a tune up fight.he must be a coward.

Actually yes he is. His first fight at 147 was supposed to be just a tune up fight and then looked what happened he had to go back down in a weight and take another damn tune up fight, so guess what will happen when he goes back to 147 and doesn't look impressive he'll say he needs yet another tune up fight or he will find a way to avoid Mayweather and drop back down in weight. Bottom line is that when a guy like Hatton is looking for a tune up fight then it clearly shows that in the back of his mind he's doubting himself.

sean

07-02-2007, 11:45 AM

Actually yes he is. His first fight at 147 was supposed to be just a tune up fight and then looked what happened he had to go back down in a weight and take another damn tune up fight, so guess what will happen when he goes back to 147 and doesn't look impressive he'll say he needs yet another tune up fight or he will find a way to avoid Mayweather and drop back down in weight. Bottom line is that when a guy like Hatton is looking for a tune up fight then it clearly shows that in the back of his mind he's doubting himself.

who said collazo was just a tune up ?

i said on esb that this would be a very hard fight and a hatton win in any form would be hard won and diffuclt

hatton`s own trainer befoire the fight said he needed collazo like a hole in the head and he did not want the collazo fight.

not the kind of fighter or fight his trainer thought was a tune up and presumably hatton was told this as well.

collazo was taken because hbo refused to sanction pauli malinaggi`s victim and juan lazcano the original opponent pulled out with a broken finger.

igotJUIC3

07-02-2007, 11:53 AM

The bottom line is this...Hatton is the challenger obviously....When PBF was the challenger with ODH..he accepted and let ODH make all the stipulations, ring size, glove size, catch weight, PURSES, and i think fighting in Vegas even mutual. Floyd knew he could beat Oscar and he was the challenger and he did what he had to do to make the fight....HATTON should do the same is all im saying....he asks as if he can beat Floyd so why is he not going about it as Floyd did with ODH?????? He wants to make negotiations hard because he knows PBF wont go for a lot of that nonsense he is asking come on...i know you Hatton fans see through that bullshit he is trying.

C Money

07-02-2007, 12:02 PM

C Money- Thanks for the help bro. Like i said i'm nowhere near an expert just an avid fan. I was honestly asking and I really appreciate your taking time to explain. Thanks again.:rasta

:good

Lets hope that we all one day enjoy this fight.

C Money

07-02-2007, 12:06 PM

The bottom line is this...Hatton is the challenger obviously....When PBF waw the challenger with ODH..he accepted and let ODH make all the stipulations, ring size, glove size, catch weight, PURSES, and i think fighting in Vegas even mutual. Floyd knew he could beat Oscar and he was the challenger and he did what he had to do to make the fight....HATTON should do the same is all im saying....he asks as if he can beat Floyd so why is he not going about it as Floyd did with ODH?????? He wants to make negotiations hard because he knows PBF wont go for a lot of that nonsense he is asking come on...i know you Hatton fans see through that bullshit he is trying.

Hey juice?? Whatcha got in that juice?????:lol:

You're going on and on about the PBF vs DLH fight which has no bearing on this fight.

As for not meeting stipulations/demands?? WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM?? We have no idea what Floyd's idea of numbers/demands are for this fight, so how can you go on about not meeting them or being difficult???:huh :huh :huh Hattons offered 10 mil and we know NOTHING of Floyd's demands or offer.

Perhaps, you should save the speech, until it matters????

igotJUIC3

07-02-2007, 12:11 PM

Hey juice?? Whatcha got in that juice?????:lol:

You're going on and on about the PBF vs DLH fight which has no bearing on this fight.

As for not meeting stipulations/demands?? WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM?? We have no idea what Floyd's idea of numbers/demands are for this fight, so how can you go on about not meeting them or being difficult???:huh :huh :huh Hattons offered 10 mil and we know NOTHING of Floyd's demands or offer.

Perhaps, you should save the speech, until it matters????

Well Hatton wants Floyd to fight for 10 mil, doesnt want to fight at 147 already and he wants the fight in the UK....those are a couple of demands he wants for a fight with PBF.

And of course ODH vs PBF had no bearing on this fight but im comparing how they did negotiations....i feel as though if Hatton says he can beat Floyd like he says....then thats the approach..not what he is doing now thats all im saying.

C Money

07-02-2007, 12:18 PM

Well Hatton wants Floyd to fight for 10 mil, doesnt want to fight at 147 already and he wants the fight in the UK....those are a couple of demands he wants for a fight with PBF.

And of course ODH vs PBF had no bearing on this fight but im comparing how they did negotiations....i feel as though if Hatton says he can beat Floyd like he says....then thats the approach..not what he is doing now thats all im saying.

DEMANDS??:lol: More like OFFERED!!!! What did Floyd offer or counter-offer?? See, DLH said what he wanted!!! You cant say Hatton wont or isnt UNTIL YOU KNOW THE FACTS!!!! We know shit about what PBF wants so far:good No one is taking BS money on this matchup and neither man should.

Please STOP mentioning DLh, keep these negoitiations on their own merit. You can talk that talk ,WHEN YOU HAVE THE APPROPRIATE INFO TO DO SO!

igotJUIC3

07-02-2007, 12:23 PM

C Money

07-02-2007, 12:29 PM

No you still dont get it....im not comparing their fight im comapring how negotiations were done....FLOYD never asked for anything with ODH but the fight....HATTON on the other hand starts mouthing off numbers where he wants to fight and WE KNOW HE DOESNT WANT 147. BUT ok since i see you want to actually see Hatton turn an offer down i understand your point...but im sure we shall find out soon as he does.

It takes TWO, Hatton made an OFFER and while I personally see them giving up a little more $$$ than 10, its not totally unreasonable.
I refuse to criticize Hatton and listen to PBF Bullshit when they state no terms and talk shit.

Bottomline?? Hatton is likely the biggest payday for PBF and negoitiations are a two-way street.Right now?? We're on a 1 way(Hattons offer) trying to get there.

mancat

07-02-2007, 02:41 PM

DEMANDS??:lol: More like OFFERED!!!! What did Floyd offer or counter-offer?? See, DLH said what he wanted!!! You cant say Hatton wont or isnt UNTIL YOU KNOW THE FACTS!!!! We know shit about what PBF wants so far:good No one is taking BS money on this matchup and neither man should.

Please STOP mentioning DLh, keep these negoitiations on their own merit. You can talk that talk ,WHEN YOU HAVE THE APPROPRIATE INFO TO DO SO!
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Hatton's camp recently stated they would like two tune-up fights in America before facing Mayweather, so any match is likely to take place in the winter.

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“We turned down two offers to face Mayweather last year,” Hatton said. “I think the offers would be more realistic now. But we would like Richard to have two or so fights in America before we look at Mayweather.”

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After Judah v Mayweather turned to dust, the feeling in the industry was that American cable giant HBO would immediately shift their focus on making Mayweather v Hatton sooner rather than later. However, the Manchester Hitman's manager and father, Ray Hatton, told SecondsOut Monday (January 9) that his WBA/IBF junior welterweight champion son will not be rushed into a fight with the 'Pretty Boy'.

And I dont know why everyone talks about Mayweather wanting money when ever fighter does this.
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Adding to the array of choices already being considered, the Hattons are still hoping to get pound for pound king and fellow welterweight champion Floyd Mayweather into the ring. "I think the Mayweather fight is going to happen at some point," said Ray. "But Ricky and Billy are going to have to decide when the time is right or when the money is right, looking at it realistically. If someone comes up with obscene money to make it sooner rather than later, then it will be sooner."

ron u.k.

07-02-2007, 02:44 PM

Actually yes he is. His first fight at 147 was supposed to be just a tune up fight and then looked what happened he had to go back down in a weight and take another damn tune up fight, so guess what will happen when he goes back to 147 and doesn't look impressive he'll say he needs yet another tune up fight or he will find a way to avoid Mayweather and drop back down in weight. Bottom line is that when a guy like Hatton is looking for a tune up fight then it clearly shows that in the back of his mind he's doubting himself.so ricky hatton's a coward eh? i suppose castillo quit as well eh? as it looks as though any mayweather fight if it happens will be at the earliest at the end of the year,what's wrong with a keep busy fight?the way he balloons it's obviously a good idea to keep him busy.just put aside your hate if you can and stop looking for things that are not there.cowards,quitters,duckers the buzzwords of the imbeciles of the main board.

C Money

07-02-2007, 02:57 PM

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“We turned down two offers to face Mayweather last year,” Hatton said. “I think the offers would be more realistic now. But we would like Richard to have two or so fights in America before we look at Mayweather.”

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After Judah v Mayweather turned to dust, the feeling in the industry was that American cable giant HBO would immediately shift their focus on making Mayweather v Hatton sooner rather than later. However, the Manchester Hitman's manager and father, Ray Hatton, told SecondsOut Monday (January 9) that his WBA/IBF junior welterweight champion son will not be rushed into a fight with the 'Pretty Boy'.

And I dont know why everyone talks about Mayweather wanting money when ever fighter does this.
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Adding to the array of choices already being considered, the Hattons are still hoping to get pound for pound king and fellow welterweight champion Floyd Mayweather into the ring. "I think the Mayweather fight is going to happen at some point," said Ray. "But Ricky and Billy are going to have to decide when the time is right or when the money is right, looking at it realistically. If someone comes up with obscene money to make it sooner rather than later, then it will be sooner."

:lol: :lol: :lol:

:hi: Welcome to July 2007!!! All that shit is from early 06 before the Collazo fight:good

Again, the truned two offers down came beteween June and November 2005 under ******, just like Arum/PBF/Marg, so its pointless. Hatton's team wasnt going to be rushed because they had an HBO deal brewing, designed to build PBF vs Hatton in th states. Which has made this fight worth more for everyone.

Gee two tune-ups's??:lol: :lol: ALREADY FUCKING HAPPENED under the 3 fight HBO deal, Collazo, Urango and Castillo.

WOW!! Thanks for totally irrelevant and old info that's been posted, discussed, and dissected about 100 times prior!!What matters IS RIGHT NOW and when you post articles that show what Floyd's most recent "offer" is, then you'll have a PLACE TO START!!:good

Hatton has offered PBF 10 mil to fight in the UK, PBF recently indicated(during an audio interview/seperate thread) that he may be willing to go to the UK and THE WORLD AWAITS A COUNTER-OFFER or FLOYD"S PRICE for this fight.

mancat

07-02-2007, 04:34 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol:

:hi: Welcome to July 2007!!! All that shit is from early 06 before the Collazo fight:good

Again, the truned two offers down came beteween June and November 2005 under ******, just like Arum/PBF/Marg, so its pointless. Hatton's team wasnt going to be rushed because they had an HBO deal brewing, designed to build PBF vs Hatton in th states. Which has made this fight worth more for everyone.

Gee two tune-ups's??:lol: :lol: ALREADY FUCKING HAPPENED under the 3 fight HBO deal, Collazo, Urango and Castillo.

WOW!! Thanks for totally irrelevant and old info that's been posted, discussed, and dissected about 100 times prior!!What matters IS RIGHT NOW and when you post articles that show what Floyd's most recent "offer" is, then you'll have a PLACE TO START!!:good

Hatton has offered PBF 10 mil to fight in the UK, PBF recently indicated(during an audio interview/seperate thread) that he may be willing to go to the UK and THE WORLD AWAITS A COUNTER-OFFER or FLOYD"S PRICE for this fight.

The point is that as in the past, Hatton and his team are blowing smoke. Hatton did not accept PBF's offers, but now you suggest PBF jump at what Hatton is offering. Well, I think that PBF and his team have learned from the past. Hatton, as before, is saying he wants to fight PBF, but will he fight him next? Probably not. Hatton will fight a "tune-up" with who? As the challenger, the smaller PPV fighter, and the one who's doing the instigating Hatton should wait until PBF's team makes him an offer and jump at it. If he doesn't he proves that he is not hungering after this fight the way he says he is.

igotJUIC3

07-02-2007, 05:02 PM

Mancat give up...for some reason Hatton fans can't see past his bullshyt.

C Money

07-02-2007, 08:40 PM

The point is that as in the past, Hatton and his team are blowing smoke. Hatton did not accept PBF's offers, but now you suggest PBF jump at what Hatton is offering. Well, I think that PBF and his team have learned from the past. Hatton, as before, is saying he wants to fight PBF, but will he fight him next? Probably not. Hatton will fight a "tune-up" with who? As the challenger, the smaller PPV fighter, and the one who's doing the instigating Hatton should wait until PBF's team makes him an offer and jump at it. If he doesn't he proves that he is not hungering after this fight the way he says he is.

As like in the past when floyd turned down Margarito twice??:lol: Remember Floyd buying out his contract to be a FREE AGENT?? Same principle applies to Hatton under ******. IT DOESNT EQUAL HATTON BEING SCARED OF OR RUNNING FROM FLOYD:good

All of your bullshit is just that!! Hatton has made a 10 mil offer to floyd, notice how Floyd keeps his terms SECRET?? Wonder why??:lol: Basically?? Your 'point' is null and VOID!!

PBF needs Hatton, Cotto, SSM, and the Marg vs Williams winner to IMPROVE his legacy and Hatton represents ONE of IF NOT the largest payday. This so called "tune-up", a one line snippet?? :lol: Let Floyd respond to the offer or counter-offer, as it makes NO DIFFERENCE on whether or not they fight.

mancat

07-02-2007, 09:59 PM

As like in the past when floyd turned down Margarito twice??:lol: Remember Floyd buying out his contract to be a FREE AGENT?? Same principle applies to Hatton under ******. IT DOESNT EQUAL HATTON BEING SCARED OF OR RUNNING FROM FLOYD:good

All of your bullshit is just that!! Hatton has made a 10 mil offer to floyd, notice how Floyd keeps his terms SECRET?? Wonder why??:lol: Basically?? Your 'point' is null and VOID!!

PBF needs Hatton, Cotto, SSM, and the Marg vs Williams winner to IMPROVE his legacy and Hatton represents ONE of IF NOT the largest payday. This so called "tune-up", a one line snippet?? :lol: Let Floyd respond to the offer or counter-offer, as it makes NO DIFFERENCE on whether or not they fight.

I'm sorry that Margarito's not fighting PBF is an albertross around your neck. However, I am talking about the Hatton PBF fight.

Again, Hatton is talking as if he wants the fight, instigating things as any challenger who NEEDS a bigger name more accomplished fighter should to get the bigger fighter's attention. Now that he has PBF's attention, he should go on and accept whatever bone PBF throws him. He's not in a position to offer anything except his services as a worhty challenger. You guys that overestimate Hatton's ability to sell PPVs, the real measure of a fighter's drawing power, will be as disapointed as the Cotto fans that overestemated his drawing power when he only did 220,000PPV buys with Judah. If Hatton doesn't fight PBF next one of two things will happen:

1. Hatton's next fight won't even be on PPV.

or...

2. He'll be on a PPV that does less than 250,000PPV buys. Though he'll have 5000 idiots spend two months salary to follow him from England to Las Vegas, this is not what makes money.

If he fights PBF the fight will do about 650,000PPVs and he'll go home a richer better known fighter, even though he got humiliated buy a better boxer.

bigtime9

07-02-2007, 11:10 PM

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After Judah v Mayweather turned to dust, the feeling in the industry was that American cable giant HBO would immediately shift their focus on making Mayweather v Hatton sooner rather than later. However, the Manchester Hitman's manager and father, Ray Hatton, told SecondsOut Monday (January 9) that his WBA/IBF junior welterweight champion son will not be rushed into a fight with the 'Pretty Boy'.

And I dont know why everyone talks about Mayweather wanting money when ever fighter does this.
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Adding to the array of choices already being considered, the Hattons are still hoping to get pound for pound king and fellow welterweight champion Floyd Mayweather into the ring. "I think the Mayweather fight is going to happen at some point," said Ray. "But Ricky and Billy are going to have to decide when the time is right or when the money is right, looking at it realistically. If someone comes up with obscene money to make it sooner rather than later, then it will be sooner."

great research mancat..my money is on a hatton vs gatti fight in jan 08. hatton is looking for an easy touch on ppv and gatti is the prime candidate.

The Kurgan

07-03-2007, 05:04 AM

Um, Zoo was 35. Do you round up like this when you buy food too?

The fact is, all Hatton did was beat an old 37 year old boxer. That's his sole achievement. Castillo was shot, and every other opponent he faced had no ability whatsoever.

ron u.k.

07-03-2007, 07:27 AM

The fact is, all Hatton did was beat an old 37 year old boxer. That's his sole achievement. Castillo was shot, and every other opponent he faced had no ability whatsoever.and you forgot to add that you hate his guts.

The Kurgan

07-03-2007, 09:20 AM

That's a bold statement. Justify it with some analysis.

Unnecessary. We all know they were bums.

The Kurgan

07-03-2007, 09:21 AM

and you forgot to add that you hate his guts.

That would be stupid: Hatton has, time and time again, proven that he has no guts. It's unnecessary to hate something that isn't there, although tell that to Richard Dawkins.

Fab2333

07-03-2007, 10:02 AM

Prolly for the same reason Fwoyd needed to fight Corley and Brusseles when first moved up to 140, and Mitchell when he first moved up to 147 you dumb motherfucker.

Honestly, if you're going to keep thinking up ways to try to discredit Hatton and promote PBF, try to be a bit smarter about it - it's too damn easy to shoot you down in flames you dumb motherfucker :hi:

"hurhurhurhurhur!!!"

BTW, that rat you smell is up your ass :yep

I dont have a problem with any fighter taking a tune-up fight if they arent ready. If you not ready your not ready. But the issue here is the timing of Hatton wanting to take a tune-up fight. Hatton has been wanting this fight for quite sometime now, you go on national telivision and call out the p4p king. Floyd gives him his shot now, and now he wants a tune-up 1st. When Floyd fought his tune-ups he wasnt calling anyone out, he just did it 2 get accustum to the weight. And he went on and got the belt he wanted. Hatton is calling out a fighter, the fighter responds and now you wanna have a tune-up fight. PLease who is he fooling. He was calling out Mayweather to build his name up, he thought Mayweather was going to shrug that off, as he does for other fighters. But FLoyd actually listened, and now HAtton bitchin up. If Hatton doesnt fight FLoyd, this will prolly prove to a lot of people that he is OVERRATED. And scared to face big competition. Personally i dont think he has proven himself. His 2 biggest fights were against a way past prime fighter (Kosta) and a shot Jose Luis Castillo. Heres his chance to prove people wrong. If he doesnt take this fight. He will look like a fraud in my eyes, and in many others eyes as well.

igotJUIC3

07-03-2007, 10:25 AM

I dont have a problem with any fighter taking a tune-up fight if they arent ready. If you not ready your not ready. But the issue here is the timing of Hatton wanting to take a tune-up fight. Hatton has been wanting this fight for quite sometime now, you go on national telivision and call out the p4p king. Floyd gives him his shot now, and now he wants a tune-up 1st. When Floyd fought his tune-ups he wasnt calling anyone out, he just did it 2 get accustum to the weight. And he went on and got the belt he wanted. Hatton is calling out a fighter, the fighter responds and now you wanna have a tune-up fight. PLease who is he fooling. He was calling out Mayweather to build his name up, he thought Mayweather was going to shrug that off, as he does for other fighters. But FLoyd actually listened, and now HAtton bitchin up. If Hatton doesnt fight FLoyd, this will prolly prove to a lot of people that he is OVERRATED. And scared to face big competition. Personally i dont think he has proven himself. His 2 biggest fights were against a way past prime fighter (Kosta) and a shot Jose Luis Castillo. Heres his chance to prove people wrong. If he doesnt take this fight. He will look like a fraud in my eyes, and in many others eyes as well.

FINALLY...someone who actually knows what the hell is going on....good post!

igotJUIC3

07-03-2007, 10:32 AM

Actually here are your signs that the fighters were shot....

Zoo....QUIT!!!! Since when does a fighter in his prime of his status just quit????

Castillo had grueling matches where he was hit with harder shots than that yet he goes down from a body shot and odesnt even attempt to get up......thats eveidence enough that these fighters are nowhere near the peak of their careers.

pit

07-03-2007, 10:57 AM

Duly noted. There's no shame in stating that IF you said so before hand, which I seem to remember you did. I agree, although I think Castillo was still world-class and that Hatton proved he would have stopped any version of Castillo.

what ?!?! did you see Castillo in his previous 2 fights before hatton.?? So let be honest hear, Castillo crash diets to make 135 and his war with the late Corralles , moved his odometer over the 200K mark .. Castillo was defiantly done before meeting Hatton.

C Money

07-03-2007, 12:46 PM

I'm sorry that Margarito's not fighting PBF is an albertross around your neck. However, I am talking about the Hatton PBF fight.

Again, Hatton is talking as if he wants the fight, instigating things as any challenger who NEEDS a bigger name more accomplished fighter should to get the bigger fighter's attention. Now that he has PBF's attention, he should go on and accept whatever bone PBF throws him. He's not in a position to offer anything except his services as a worhty challenger. You guys that overestimate Hatton's ability to sell PPVs, the real measure of a fighter's drawing power, will be as disapointed as the Cotto fans that overestemated his drawing power when he only did 220,000PPV buys with Judah. If Hatton doesn't fight PBF next one of two things will happen:

1. Hatton's next fight won't even be on PPV.

or...

2. He'll be on a PPV that does less than 250,000PPV buys. Though he'll have 5000 idiots spend two months salary to follow him from England to Las Vegas, this is not what makes money.

If he fights PBF the fight will do about 650,000PPVs and he'll go home a richer better known fighter, even though he got humiliated buy a better boxer.

WOW!! What an impressive retort!!:lol: :lol: :lol: :nonono :nonono :nonono

Margarito an albatross??:D Yea for YOU and your argument!! You're talking out both sides of you're face:good It's OK for Floyd but not OK for anyone else to get paid appropriately??:-( :-( :-(

Accept whatever bone PBF throws him?? STFU you waste pf plasma dribbling on your keyboard!! Who was/is Champ at 40?? WASNT/ISNT FLOYD:lol: Being among the best means the legacy IMPACT is great for both fighters. Both fighters should get paid fairly.

PPV numbers?? Hatton fans are over-estimating his worth but YOU have your finger on the source??:lol: Only 1 fight in his last 5, was PPV and it came against the least challenging opponent:good So you are spinning your web ON LIMITED info.

Funny, that people who support Hatton are IDIOTS??? Geez, I guess PBF would be lucky to have a few more IDIOTS like yourself willing to do more than talk a lot of shit. Hatton has many more fans and were the fight to take place in Vegas, there would be a considerable sum buying the PPV.

So the PBF vs Hatton fight has meaning??? :huh NO shit??? Wow, I was totally unaware of that!!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :hey :hey :hey

C-ya, pussycat!!:hi:

C Money

07-03-2007, 12:50 PM

great research mancat..my money is on a hatton vs gatti fight in jan 08. hatton is looking for an easy touch on ppv and gatti is the prime candidate.

Hey fagtime welcome to July 2007:D Glad to know you're caught up:lol:

igotJUIC3

07-03-2007, 12:51 PM

WOW!! What an impressive retort!!:lol: :lol: :lol: :nonono :nonono :nonono

Margarito an albatross??:D Yea for YOU and your argument!! You're talking out both sides of you're face:good It's OK for Floyd but not OK for anyone else to get paid appropriately??:-( :-( :-(

Accept whatever bone PBF throws him?? STFU you waste pf plasma dribbling on your keyboard!! Who was/is Champ at 40?? WASNT/ISNT FLOYD:lol: Being among the best means the legacy IMPACT is great for both fighters. Both fighters should get paid fairly.

PPV numbers?? Hatton fans are over-estimating his worth but YOU have your finger on the source??:lol: Only 1 fight in his last 5, was PPV and it came against the least challenging opponent:good So you are spinning your web ON LIMITED info.

Funny, that people who support Hatton are IDIOTS??? Geez, I guess PBF would be lucky to have a few more IDIOTS like yourself willing to do more than talk a lot of shit. Hatton has many more fans and were the fight to take place in Vegas, there would be a considerable sum buying the PPV.

So the PBF vs Hatton fight has meaning??? :huh NO shit??? Wow, I was totally unaware of that!!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :hey :hey :hey

C-ya, pussycat!!:hi:

again i dont think he really needs Hatton for his legacy cus he could easily go the Mosley, Cotto, Margarito route and still get the same accalim....but a Hatton fight isnt that bad.

C Money

07-03-2007, 12:53 PM

I dont have a problem with any fighter taking a tune-up fight if they arent ready. If you not ready your not ready. But the issue here is the timing of Hatton wanting to take a tune-up fight. Hatton has been wanting this fight for quite sometime now, you go on national telivision and call out the p4p king. Floyd gives him his shot now, and now he wants a tune-up 1st. When Floyd fought his tune-ups he wasnt calling anyone out, he just did it 2 get accustum to the weight. And he went on and got the belt he wanted. Hatton is calling out a fighter, the fighter responds and now you wanna have a tune-up fight. PLease who is he fooling. He was calling out Mayweather to build his name up, he thought Mayweather was going to shrug that off, as he does for other fighters. But FLoyd actually listened, and now HAtton bitchin up. If Hatton doesnt fight FLoyd, this will prolly prove to a lot of people that he is OVERRATED. And scared to face big competition. Personally i dont think he has proven himself. His 2 biggest fights were against a way past prime fighter (Kosta) and a shot Jose Luis Castillo. Heres his chance to prove people wrong. If he doesnt take this fight. He will look like a fraud in my eyes, and in many others eyes as well.

Right now the ball is in PBF's court as to whether he accepts the fight or COUNTER'S with a better offer. This "tune-up" which may or may not happen is a big deal about NOTHING, it would have NO bearing on whether or not he fights Floyd.

LET FLOYD SIGN THE CONTRACT or present a fair one for Hatton to sign, THEN TALK SHIT. Until then, it's a waste of time:good

C Money

07-03-2007, 12:57 PM

again i dont think he really needs Hatton for his legacy cus he could easily go the Mosley, Cotto, Margarito route and still get the same accalim....but a Hatton fight isnt that bad.

You dont think he needs Hatton 43-0 31 KO's and the 140 Champ??:lol:
Thats totally RIDICULOUS!!!! Hatton is the 140 Champ, undefeated, prime, and one of Floyd's peers.

BTW, PBF NEEDS Hatton, SSM, Cotto, and the MArg vs Williams winner to push his legacy where he thinks it should be.

Of course, it seems PBf is willing to TURN DOWN 15 million against Mosley and take Hatton up on his 10. That's the spirit:lol: :lol: :lol:

igotJUIC3

07-03-2007, 01:00 PM

You dont think he needs Hatton 43-0 31 KO's and the 140 Champ??:lol:
Thats totally RIDICULOUS!!!! Hatton is the 140 Champ, undefeated, prime, and one of Floyd's peers.

BTW, PBF NEEDS Hatton, SSM, Cotto, and the MArg vs Williams winner to push his legacy where he thinks it should be.

Of course, it seems PBf is willing to TURN DOWN 15 million against Mosley and take Hatton up on his 10. That's the spirit:lol: :lol: :lol:

Hattons 43-0 is against only two notable and a possible basically...even PBF's record is laced with better comp...so no...you feel so highly of Hatton tell him to see winner of Williams/Margo....then Floyd should take that winner if you ask me cus none of them really have done anything derserving of fighting floyd but call his name out...the only person worthy of a fight really is SSM!

The Kurgan

07-03-2007, 01:45 PM

We all "know"?

I think you have a serious case of "talking shite" - fair enough you think it, but provide some evidence of this.

Repeating received wisdon is foolish and the exact opposite of wise.

it's called STUPID.

Which is what you are.

Look it up in a dictionary.

This is all unnecessary. Bashing the competition of British fighters need not require effort like "analysis" and "thought".

The Kurgan

07-03-2007, 01:48 PM

what ?!?! did you see Castillo in his previous 2 fights before hatton.?? So let be honest hear, Castillo crash diets to make 135 and his war with the late Corralles , moved his odometer over the 200K mark .. Castillo was defiantly done before meeting Hatton.

He may crash diet to make 135, but the fight was at 140 lbs and Castillo had a weight advantage on the night. He wasn't shot. Hey- Hatton had two bad fights before Castillo; I guess he was shot, right?

Of course he wasn't. As for Castillo, if Hatton needed just one big clean left hand in four rounds to shatter his ribs, then any version of Castillo isn't lasting the distance with Hatton. :deal

cuzzinelias

07-03-2007, 02:32 PM

Hatton-Mallignaggi with PBF-Mosley on the undercard & the winners squaring off wouldn't be a bad thing

mancat

07-03-2007, 03:00 PM

C Money

07-04-2007, 01:12 AM

Hattons 43-0 is against only two notable and a possible basically...even PBF's record is laced with better comp...so no...you feel so highly of Hatton tell him to see winner of Williams/Margo....then Floyd should take that winner if you ask me cus none of them really have done anything derserving of fighting floyd but call his name out...the only person worthy of a fight really is SSM!

Juice?? Put down the juice!! :good It seems to be causing hallucinations.

C Money

07-04-2007, 01:16 AM

Can you please restate that young man?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You should suffer through EMOTION-CONICS:D , for the ridiculous, old, and unrealistic nature of you're 'argument":good

It is what it is my man.

bigtime9

07-04-2007, 01:43 AM

Hatton-Mallignaggi with PBF-Mosley on the undercard & the winners squaring off wouldn't be a bad thing

another crack baby idea:nut

ron u.k.

07-04-2007, 07:27 AM

That would be stupid: Hatton has, time and time again, proven that he has no guts. It's unnecessary to hate something that isn't there, although tell that to Richard Dawkins.hatton has no guts? you obviously have no brains.i'm no hatton hugger but what a ridiculous,idiotic statement.this is the guy who was said to be protected and all you guys said he would be brutalized by tszyu and wouldn't take the fight.when he takes the fight and beats tszyu then you say tszyu was shot,you's have no credibility it's just hate.also tell me this.why do the people who crucify hatton for basically beating tszyu never give tszyu any stick for quitting on his stool with just 3 minutes to go? now that is lack of guts.:hi:

mancat

07-04-2007, 08:34 AM

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You should suffer through EMOTION-CONICS:D , for the ridiculous, old, and unrealistic nature of you're 'argument":good

It is what it is my man.

Excuse me?

The Kurgan

07-04-2007, 08:57 AM

hatton has no guts? you obviously have no brains.i'm no hatton hugger but what a ridiculous,idiotic statement.this is the guy who was said to be protected and all you guys said he would be brutalized by tszyu and wouldn't take the fight.when he takes the fight and beats tszyu then you say tszyu was shot,you's have no credibility it's just hate.also tell me this.why do the people who crucify hatton for basically beating tszyu never give tszyu any stick for quitting on his stool with just 3 minutes to go? now that is lack of guts.:hi:

Tszyu knew he should have never taken the fight at the age of 38 anyway. Hatton showed his lack of guts by waiting until Tsyzu was old and grey, like he did for all of his famous opposition.

pit

07-04-2007, 09:39 AM

He may crash diet to make 135, but the fight was at 140 lbs and Castillo had a weight advantage on the night. He wasn't shot. Hey- Hatton had two bad fights before Castillo; I guess he was shot, right?

Of course he wasn't. As for Castillo, if Hatton needed just one big clean left hand in four rounds to shatter his ribs, then any version of Castillo isn't lasting the distance with Hatton. :deal

If you honestly beleive that was the same Castillio before the Coralles fight , then I have to say your in denial ..
killing him self to make the 135 weight limit and the war with coralles defiantly took to toll on Castillio.

To be honest no one was really surprised that hotton won this fight considering Castillio past .

"TKO"

07-04-2007, 10:40 AM

Tszyu knew he should have never taken the fight at the age of 38 anyway. Hatton showed his lack of guts by waiting until Tsyzu was old and grey, like he did for all of his famous opposition.

That Hatton. What a cad. How dare he use his psychic powers to tell him that the man who had just demolished the #2 fighter in the division in 3 rounds was apparently ripe for the taking before the fight, which no-one else noticed!

I'm sure Tszyu seems to be getting older every time this fight is discussed as well, he'll have been 50 next week!

djrock247

07-04-2007, 11:10 AM

I would no want to watch Gatti v Hatton at all. I have to much respect for him and would not care to see another older warrior get hurt..

Ricky Hatton's not that old

j/k

Jinx

07-04-2007, 11:26 AM

Hatton can't beat PBF, that's why he needs a 'tuneup'...hell i don't think Hatton can beat Malignaggi, smooth slick boxers will fuck Hatton everytime...Collazo proved that already...

ron u.k.

07-04-2007, 12:12 PM

Tszyu knew he should have never taken the fight at the age of 38 anyway. Hatton showed his lack of guts by waiting until Tsyzu was old and grey, like he did for all of his famous opposition.so you've now put 3 or 4 years onto tszyu who had just stopped mitchell in 3 rounds in his previous fight and you all said hatton was going to be badly knocked out.so the great man couldn't come out for another 3 minutes most true greats would have been thinking i can still knock this guy out.he's got away literally scot free as regarding stick for that,because if that had been hatton he would have been crucified on here.

The Kurgan

07-04-2007, 01:00 PM

so the great man couldn't come out for another 3 minutes most true greats would have been thinking i can still knock this guy out.he's got away literally scot free as regarding stick for that,because if that had been hatton he would have been crucified on here.

There is no shame in a 39 year old man quitting. He was about the same age Ali was when he quit against Holmes, and no-one gives Ali stick for that.

Tszyu went into that fight a shot fighter; if he hadn't, Hatton would have ran away like he ran from Pretty Boy Floyd.

igotJUIC3

07-04-2007, 03:20 PM

Cant Wait To See The Replies Of All Theidiots Calling Hatton A Coward When The Fight Gets Made.both Are Top Fighters.fm Is Favourite Going Into It ,hopefully Hatton Wins.but To Call Either Bad Fighters Is Idiotic.and To Say That Hatton Has Ducked People And Your Mayweather Fans Is Absolutely Laughable.either Way You Look At It Mayweather Has Ducked The Main Man In Every Division Since Castillo,but Still I Take Nothing Away From Floyd As Being A Gifted Fighter As He Has Never Lost.neither Has Hatton In 43fights So He Obviously Isnt A Badun Either.its Laughable How Peopleare Saying "hatton Is Demanding This And That,when In Reality They Dont Know Fuck All About What Is Being Discussed Behind Closed Doors."hatton Is Challenger And Hes Demanding A Fight In England " No It Wassuggested That Wembley Would Be A Good Venue For His Next Fight,plus Floyd Has Actually Said There Is Chance He Would Fight In England.a Lot Of Hot Air Is Being Blown In This Room

you have good points but PBF fought the respective champions in all five divisions he has won his tittles...how has he ducked the main man?

bigtime9

07-04-2007, 05:19 PM

CORLEY,MITCHELL,GATTI AND BALDOMIR AND JUDAH WERENT THE BEST IN THE REPECTIVE DIVISIONS

they were ranked so they definitely the best..and they were brave enough to fight floyd unlike hatton and cotto.

when gatti lost to floyd he was ranked #1 by ring:smoke

audio101

07-04-2007, 06:43 PM

they were ranked so they definitely the best..and they were brave enough to fight floyd unlike hatton and cotto.

when gatti lost to floyd he was ranked #1 by ring:smoke

Ya and rankings mean so much these days....:-(

igotJUIC3

07-04-2007, 06:50 PM

CORLEY,MITCHELL,GATTI AND BALDOMIR AND JUDAH WERENT THE BEST IN THE REPECTIVE DIVISIONS

this answer right here tells me all that i need to know from you.

C Money

07-04-2007, 07:24 PM

this answer right here tells me all that i need to know from you.

:lol:

And all we need to know ABOUT U!!!!!!!!!:good

CLOWN!

C Money

07-04-2007, 07:27 PM

they were ranked so they definitely the best..and they were brave enough to fight floyd unlike hatton and cotto.

when gatti lost to floyd he was ranked #1 by ring:smoke

They were the best??:lol: :lol:

Damn Fagtime, just when I thought PG was gonna steal you're title as ESB's biggest idiot, you go out and CEMENT you're legacy:lol: :good

bigtime9

07-04-2007, 07:31 PM

They were the best??:lol: :lol:

once again syphillis brain gatti was ranked #1 at 140 with zoo being the champ. how did gatti get ranked so high if he was a bum:rofl nice try but zab was ranked #2 by ring at 147 after his loss to baldomir, and we all know who the real champ at 147 was and is today.:hi:

igotJUIC3

07-04-2007, 07:42 PM

:lol:

And all we need to know ABOUT U!!!!!!!!!:good

CLOWN!

and you still dont see your mistake...ill clarify....ill repeat then you give me your answer again....floyd beat the respective champions in all 5 of his weight divisions....please answer with the right ones this time!

C Money

07-04-2007, 07:54 PM

once again syphillis brain gatti was ranked #1 at 140 with zoo being the champ. how did gatti get ranked so high if he was a bum:rofl nice try but zab was ranked #2 by ring at 147 after his loss to baldomir, and we all know who the real champ at 147 was and is today.:hi:

Pitiful!!!!!!!!!!!

You said that the following fighters were the best in there divisions

CORLEY,MITCHELL,GATTI AND BALDOMIR AND JUDAH WERENT THE BEST IN THE REPECTIVE DIVISIONS

They absolutely WERE NOT you blathering IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!

Tszyu, Hatton, Cotto were the cream of 140 then. I never said Gatti was a BUM, shit head!! Yet, he wasnt the best.

Judah was Champ at 47 but lost to Baldo a journeyman who experienced 15 minutes of fame against a lazy out of focus zab, prior to PBF. SSM and Margarito are better than BOTH Zab and baldo. Mitchell?? In his first fight at 47??:lol: STFU!!!!!

BTW, IT hasnt yet been determined whether or not Floyd is still recognized as champ at 47. The BC has named SSM interim Champ.
Floyd seems to have his options right now as to WHICH CHAMP he would like to face.

Never fear FAGTIME, your title is SAFE and SOUND:hi:

C Money

07-04-2007, 08:02 PM

and you still dont see your mistake...ill clarify....ill repeat then you give me your answer again....floyd beat the respective champions in all 5 of his weight divisions....please answer with the right ones this time!

Mistake???:lol:

Fuck you and your five divisions!!!!! Gatti WAS NOT THE CHAMP AT 40:good Ever heard of Tszyu?? Whom Hatton beat, that was the CHAMP!!

Floyd avoided top opposition at every weight class since 30 and you can stick you're Floyd fantasies right up the wazoo:good

Floyd was only UNIFIED ONCE at 30.

at 35 He avoided Spadafora, who beat his ass in the gym.

40, Tszyu/Hatton

47 SSM/ MARGARito, Cotto

Maybe, you and FAGTime should get together and share some of that juice:lol:

igotJUIC3

07-04-2007, 08:14 PM

Mistake???:lol:

Fuck you and your five divisions!!!!! Gatti WAS NOT THE CHAMP AT 40:good Ever heard of Tszyu?? Whom Hatton beat, that was the CHAMP!!

Floyd avoided top opposition at every weight class since 30 and you can stick you're Floyd fantasies right up the wazoo:good

Floyd was only UNIFIED ONCE at 30.

at 35 He avoided Spadafora, who beat his ass in the gym.

40, Tszyu/Hatton

47 SSM/ MARGARito, Cotto

Maybe, you and FAGTime should get together and share some of that juice:lol:

He beat Hernandez for super feather who was the respective champ of that division.

Beat Castillo who was respective lightweight champ.

follow me as you obviously are slow enough to get lost.

Beat Gatti for light welter WBC whether you like it or not and Hatton won IBF need i say more.

Beat Baldy for welter tittle

you still there?

the last one shouldn't need mention..BUT..with you im sure it does he beat ODH for Jr. middle.

As i said he beat the main men the respective champions in each division...did he beat the best in the division...never said that but he did beat the respective champions.

bigtime9

07-04-2007, 10:03 PM

C Money

07-04-2007, 10:34 PM

He beat Hernandez for super feather who was the respective champ of that division.

Beat Castillo who was respective lightweight champ.

follow me as you obviously are slow enough to get lost.

Beat Gatti for light welter WBC whether you like it or not and Hatton won IBF need i say more.

Beat Baldy for welter tittle

you still there?

the last one shouldn't need mention..BUT..with you im sure it does he beat ODH for Jr. middle.

As i said he beat the main men the respective champions in each division...did he beat the best in the division...never said that but he did beat the respective champions.

30 Floyd UNIFIED which is his most respected accomplishment

35 WASNT LINEAL or UNIFIED and avoided the IBF titlist who beat his ass in the gym. floyd was respected by Ring as champ but didnt fight the other champions.

40 You are defending Gatti as CHAMPION:lol: :lol: What a crock of SHIT!! Note how at 30 you mention the LINEAL win against Hernandez and Baldo at 47 but WHO WAS LINEAL at 40?? Tszyu and he got that way by UNIFICATION. THE BC, BA, BF MAKES NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE INDIVIDUALLY!! You are a FUCKING IDIOT for suggesting that gatti was Champ.

47? Yea he beat Baldo, hmm how many times did he defend??:lol: The best opposition in that division wasn't Judah and Baldo. SSM, Marg, and now COTTO were/are.

PBF hasnt fought all the top opponents in any division since 30, despite the dreams and fantasies of you and FAgtime:hi:

C Money

07-04-2007, 10:35 PM

He beat Hernandez for super feather who was the respective champ of that division.

Beat Castillo who was respective lightweight champ.

great post..but you are talking to the village idiot.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

THAT's YOU FAGTIME. Not I:good

ron u.k.

07-05-2007, 07:14 AM

There is no shame in a 39 year old man quitting. He was about the same age Ali was when he quit against Holmes, and no-one gives Ali stick for that.

Tszyu went into that fight a shot fighter; if he hadn't, Hatton would have ran away like he ran from Pretty Boy Floyd.my word tszyu's age is going up by the post.this time next week you'll have him at 40 plus!

igotJUIC3

07-05-2007, 08:22 AM

30 Floyd UNIFIED which is his most respected accomplishment

35 WASNT LINEAL or UNIFIED and avoided the IBF titlist who beat his ass in the gym. floyd was respected by Ring as champ but didnt fight the other champions.

40 You are defending Gatti as CHAMPION:lol: :lol: What a crock of SHIT!! Note how at 30 you mention the LINEAL win against Hernandez and Baldo at 47 but WHO WAS LINEAL at 40?? Tszyu and he got that way by UNIFICATION. THE BC, BA, BF MAKES NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE INDIVIDUALLY!! You are a FUCKING IDIOT for suggesting that gatti was Champ.

47? Yea he beat Baldo, hmm how many times did he defend??:lol: The best opposition in that division wasn't Judah and Baldo. SSM, Marg, and now COTTO were/are.

PBF hasnt fought all the top opponents in any division since 30, despite the dreams and fantasies of you and FAgtime:hi:

again...i never said he fought the toughest in each division but he did fight the champs in each division and last time i checked....Gatti was a champion...so what your saying is just because Gatti was in your eyes weak.....NOBODY should fight him for his tittle?????????

make sure your READ before you post..matter fact dont even bother posting anymore.

rodney

07-05-2007, 08:39 AM

MancMexican

07-05-2007, 08:43 AM

As am impartial observer to this debate, I think its fair to say that Floyd beat the man in each division except 40. So he was the man at 30, 35, 47 and now 54, but Gatti, though a champ at 140, wasnt THE champ at 140. Baldo, though limited was at 47, he beat the previous man, Judah, who beat the previous man, Spinks, who beat the previous man etc etc. That's how you become the man. At 40, Tszyu was the man now Hatton. And politics and who ducked who aside, he is still the man. Floyd was the man in 4 divisions and the champion in 5.

igotJUIC3

07-05-2007, 08:48 AM

Taffyy

07-05-2007, 09:06 AM

I agree.
Hatton picks his opponents and picks his time.
He might as well stick to England fighting "bums" where he can be a hero forever.
At 147, all the champs beat him excpt maybe Cintr.on
American Bullshit yet again...........!!!!!!!!
Fuckoff..........I would sell my fuckin soul to see him come over there & knock shite out of FM............If he can get the fight HIS way he can possibly cause an upset to end all upsets..........Seriously the lack of respect being shown on this site toward Hatton is staggering..........Very similar to the same being shown to Calzaghe before he beat "new Tyson" Lacy..........The difference there was that Jeff showed a humilty & respect that that tool Mayweather will never understand...............I repect FM as a fighter because he is the best at what he does but to write of Hatton just shows the lack of knowledge & general biased of alot of posters here..................

pit

07-05-2007, 09:50 AM

He may crash diet to make 135, but the fight was at 140 lbs and Castillo had a weight advantage on the night. He wasn't shot. Hey- Hatton had two bad fights before Castillo; I guess he was shot, right?

Of course he wasn't. As for Castillo, if Hatton needed just one big clean left hand in four rounds to shatter his ribs, then any version of Castillo isn't lasting the distance with Hatton. :deal

It doesn't matter that he had a weight advantage the day of the fight the damage was already done to his body years before.
Agin get real man, Castillo was setup with 2 give me fights before hatton and he looked horrible , the two fights Castillio had were hardly world class comp so let stop pretending that Castillio was the same Castillio before his war with Corales.

and as far as hotton goes , one his style does not permit him to move up in weight , at 140 he can out muscle and maul alot of those guys but at 147 his style is less effective.

The Kurgan

07-05-2007, 12:18 PM

my word tszyu's age is going up by the post.this time next week you'll have him at 40 plus!

And yet you still haven't caught on... :huh

The Kurgan

07-05-2007, 12:21 PM

It doesn't matter that he had a weight advantage the day of the fight the damage was already done to his body years before.
Agin get real man, Castillo was setup with 2 give me fights before hatton and he looked horrible , the two fights Castillio had were hardly world class comp so let stop pretending that Castillio was the same Castillio before his war with Corales.

I'm not saying that. No-one is saying that. So we can dismiss this post of yours as a complete waste of time.

What I'm saying is that, given his ribs couldn't stand up under Hatton's battery for four rounds, there would be no way Castillo- prime or not- could survive against Hatton. Hatton proved he would KO any version of Castillo, and probably in the first half of the fight.

Guru_Too_You

07-05-2007, 12:22 PM

I'm not saying that. No-one is saying that. So we can dismiss this post of yours as a complete waste of time.

What I'm saying is that, given his ribs couldn't stand up under Hatton's battery for four rounds, there would be no way Castillo- prime or not- could survive against Hatton. Hatton proved he would KO any version of Castillo, and probably in the first half of the fight.

I call bull shit.

Prime Castillo was an excellent boxer from a distance as well as a workhorse on the inside. He has no legs anymore, so he was essentially forced to fight on the inside against a bigger man. In his prime, Castillo would have had the option of boxing Ricky from a distance, something the current state of his legs just doesnt allow.

Not saying Castillo beats him easily or every time, but it certainly would not have ended like it did most of the times.

C Money

07-05-2007, 12:40 PM

again...i never said he fought the toughest in each division but he did fight the champs in each division and last time i checked....Gatti was a champion...so what your saying is just because Gatti was in your eyes weak.....NOBODY should fight him for his tittle?????????

make sure your READ before you post..matter fact dont even bother posting anymore.

Listen twat, your flopping around like a stinky fish out of water and I never made any NEGATIVE remarks about Gatti:nono . Simply THAT HE WAS NOT THE CHAMPION at 40. He was a titlelist but the CHAMP was Tszyu and only a special brand of MORON like you and fagtime would suggest otherwise. So, genius, FLoyd wasnt really a 5 division Champ. In fact, he was unified only once and held two LINEAL belts. :good

As for telling me NOT TO RESPOND:lol: :lol: :lol: :finger I'll call BS anytime I feel like it:yep :yep :yep

bigtime9

07-05-2007, 01:39 PM

So, genius, FLoyd wasnt really a 5 division Champ. In fact, he was unified only once and held two LINEAL belts. :good

sorry mr.pickles but floyd won 5 WBC titles in 5 weight classes...first fighter in histore to do so. Gatti was the wbc champ and ranked #1 by ring magazine. Oscar was WBC champ at 154 (I have to keep repeating myself to this douche bag) and ranked #3 by Ring magazine are you saying gatti and oscar were not the best fighters in their divisions.:rofl

and for your info floyd did not unify 130, he was the lineal champ at 130, 135, and 147. get your facts straight shit face

Fab2333

07-05-2007, 01:48 PM

The Kurgan

07-05-2007, 02:50 PM

I call bull shit.

Prime Castillo was an excellent boxer from a distance as well as a workhorse on the inside. He has no legs anymore, so he was essentially forced to fight on the inside against a bigger man. In his prime, Castillo would have had the option of boxing Ricky from a distance, something the current state of his legs just doesnt allow.

Not saying Castillo beats him easily or every time, but it certainly would not have ended like it did most of the times.

He had legs. The difference was that Hatton has better footwork than any of his previous opponents. At any rate, I can't see ANY smaller man out-box Hatton. Collazo couldn't do it despite being bigger, stronger and facing an oversized Hatton.

C Money

07-05-2007, 09:02 PM

sorry mr.pickles but floyd won 5 WBC titles in 5 weight classes...first fighter in histore to do so. Gatti was the wbc champ and ranked #1 by ring magazine. Oscar was WBC champ at 154 (I have to keep repeating myself to this douche bag) and ranked #3 by Ring magazine are you saying gatti and oscar were not the best fighters in their divisions.:rofl

and for your info floyd did not unify 130, he was the lineal champ at 130, 135, and 147. get your facts straight shit face

What a friggin IDIOT!!!! Keep up the stupidity MORON:lol:

First, Gatti wasnt the real champ at 40, remember the Brian kenney interview with Floyd where he had PBF pissing himself?? That's you right now, CLOWN:lol: Kostya tszyu had unified the belts and became the LINEAL CHAMP, funny how you assert the importance vs Hernandez and Baldo and DISMISS it at 40. One dumb mutha%$%$%$%!! No Gatti wasnt the best

Second, winning Alpha titles doesnt mean you are the champ of the divison, ass-hole, it means you are a belt-holder unless you beat the lineal Champ a la Baldo. The BC isnt held in any higher regard than the other orgs, as they have all been corrupted and full of shit.

Third?? Floyd lineal at 35???:lol: :lol: :lol:

Here ya go fuckface from 1970 until NOW:

Ismael Laguna ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (1970)
Ken Buchanan ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (1970-1972)
Roberto Duran ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) [1972-1979, vacates title]
Alexis Arguello ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (1981-1982)
Julio Cesar Chavez ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (1987-1989, vacates title)
Pernell Whitaker ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (vacates title 1992)

There hasnt been a LINEAL champ at 35 SINCE WHITAKER!!:lol: :hi:

Now, the only point you have to make, Floyd wasnt technically unified at 30!! Way to discredit the highest accomplishement Floyd's achieved at ANY weight:lol: I gave him credit as being unified at 30 after Corrales MY MISTAKE:good

So Floyd has been Lineal TWICE, never UNified, and a 5 time alphabet titlelist. As for 54?? It's lineally vacant as well last vacated by WRIGHT and Floyd hasnt made a defense at either 47 or 54 so far. You mention history?? The orgs werent around before the 70's so there was only 1 belt to be had, which prevents the 5 time poop and scoop you refer too.

Keep coming FAGTIME and I'll keep smacking ya around:lol: :lol:

C Money

07-05-2007, 09:03 PM

:rofl:rofl:rofl
awwe man the insults are priceless

Read the above and share some of that humble pie with you're new boyfriend:lol:

:hi:

igotJUIC3

07-05-2007, 09:55 PM

Listen twat, your flopping around like a stinky fish out of water and I never made any NEGATIVE remarks about Gatti:nono . Simply THAT HE WAS NOT THE CHAMPION at 40. He was a titlelist but the CHAMP was Tszyu and only a special brand of MORON like you and fagtime would suggest otherwise. So, genius, FLoyd wasnt really a 5 division Champ. In fact, he was unified only once and held two LINEAL belts. :good

As for telling me NOT TO RESPOND:lol: :lol: :lol: :finger I'll call BS anytime I feel like it:yep :yep :yep

Zu relinquished the BA and BC tittles you ass backwards clown which means ........ he is only a tittlest as you so eliquently want to put it..he had the IBF belt left. HE WAS NOT THE CHAMP.

The statement highlighted in bold really shows your stupidity and ignorance for boxing period. Kill yourself!

bigtime9

07-05-2007, 09:55 PM

So Floyd has been Lineal TWICE, never UNified, and a 5 time alphabet titlelist. As for 54?? It's lineally vacant as well last vacated by WRIGHT and Floyd hasnt made a defense at either 47 or 54 so far. You mention history?? The orgs werent around before the 70's so there was only 1 belt to be had, which prevents the 5 time poop and scoop you refer too.

how many 5 time alpahbet titlists are undefeated..don't worry I'll wait:admin

and by the way how many fighters have gone from 130 to 154 winning the wbc title along the way while remaining undefeated:huh :deal

bigtime9

07-05-2007, 09:58 PM

Now, the only point you have to make, Floyd wasnt technically unified at 30!!\

most posters on esb know this, your just to stupid for your own good. did floyd take your lunch money.

I wonder what your excuse will be when floyd rips hatton a new one. If hatton is defeated that will be four ring titles in four weight classes...priceless:admin

C Money

07-06-2007, 02:17 AM

Zu relinquished the BA and BC tittles you ass backwards clown which means ........ he is only a tittlest as you so eliquently want to put it..he had the IBF belt left. HE WAS NOT THE CHAMP.

The statement highlighted in bold really shows your stupidity and ignorance for boxing period. Kill yourself!

Actually tszyu was stripped of at least one of those belts when he didnt face a mandatory due to injury.

Now, you talk stupidity??:lol: :lol: :lol: Once Unified he became the LINEAL CHAMP and therefore the man to beat you dumb little bitch!! That doesnt change because he got stripped or relinquished either or both belts, IT ONLY CHANGES WITH A LOSS or RETIREMENT:good

Gatti was not the CHAMP, he was a titlelist PLAIN and SIMPLE. The fucking lunacy you and you're new butt buddy are displaying is QUITE ENTERTAINING as you show your asses to all:lol:

Welcome to boxing:happy as you OBVIOUSLY dont know you're ass from a hole in the ground.

C Money

07-06-2007, 02:28 AM

how many 5 time alpahbet titlists are undefeated..don't worry I'll wait:admin

and by the way how many fighters have gone from 130 to 154 winning the wbc title along the way while remaining undefeated:huh :deal

FAGTIME, listen closely and GRASP how many fighter's in history had the CHANCE to win these alphabet titles. Prior to the seventies YOU HAD ONE BELT, you dense little TROLL!!! So, these "belts" you celebrate as championships can only be compared with fighters since that point and ARE NOT AS MEANINGFUL as the pre 70's Champs:good Hence the development of LINEAL and UNIFICATION which are designed to track the real CHAMPS and re-establish NEW ONES!!!!!!! Not to mention not every fighter had the desire to play the jump weight, wekest link game as you're HERO!!

Again with the BC?? WHO GIVES A FUCK!!! It;s no more meaningful than either the BA, BF, and hell these day's EVEN THE BO:lol:

Undefeated?? Gee, that's a HELL OF A LOT EASIER WHEN YOU DONT FIGHT THE BEST OPPOSITION!! As you pointed OUT IN EVERY WEIGHT CLASS from 30 ro 54:lol: :lol: Jumping from weight to weight picking on the WEAKEST LINKS doesnt equate in ANY WAY to true greatness. I've said all a long that IF Floyd would fight the best and stay undefeated then I would give him the proper respect, BUT IT HAS TO HAPPEN TO BE REAL.

Keep coming my little BITCH!!!:bbb

C Money

07-06-2007, 02:34 AM

\

most posters on esb know this, your just to stupid for your own good. did floyd take your lunch money.

I wonder what your excuse will be when floyd rips hatton a new one. If hatton is defeated that will be four ring titles in four weight classes...priceless:admin

Most posters on ESB know that you are a fucking idiotic TROLL as well:lol:

I dont make excuses, perhaps Floyd could prove to be the GREAT he believes he is, BUT HE HASNT FOUGHT THE OPPOSITION TO SOLIDIFY THOSE CLAIMS TO THIS POINT:good

Ring?? Now you wanna cling to Ring:lol: Newsflash, even Ring has had fucked up ratings and BS as well from time to time. I generally find them better than Alpha rankings but THEY ARENT THE BE ALL either.The only thing that really matter's? IS FIGHTING AND BEATING THE BEST!! Then you dont need Alpha or Ring rankings to justify anything, YOU GET PROOF:good

If Floyd does it?? Good for him, but you dont get credit UNTIL IT HAPPENS.

bigtime9

07-06-2007, 02:39 AM

Undefeated?? Gee, that's a HELL OF A LOT EASIER WHEN YOU DONT FIGHT THE BEST OPPOSITION!!

who was better at:

130-genaro hernandez, diego corrales (HOF)

135- Jose Luis castillo (HOF)

140- gatti (please don't say hatton:lol: ) (HOF)

147- zab, baldomir

154- oscar (HOF)

what other HOFER's did floyd miracously duck during this ten year time frame. Who was better then these fighters at their divisions when floyd beat them.:deal

As you pointed OUT IN EVERY WEIGHT CLASS from 30 ro 54:lol: :lol: Jumping from weight to weight picking on the WEAKEST LINKS doesnt equate in ANY WAY to true greatness.

once again fuck face list the fighters floyd ducked at each weight class. I am still waiting for you to back up your claims with facts, not hyperbole.:deal

I've said all a long that IF Floyd would fight the best and stay undefeated then I would give him the proper respect, BUT IT HAS TO HAPPEN TO BE REAL.

once again you talk about the "best" who did floyd duck at any weight who was better then him or that would be favored to beat him. you're just eating your own shit when you run your mouth like this.

C Money

07-06-2007, 02:52 AM

who was better at:

130-genaro hernandez, diego corrales (HOF)

135- Jose Luis castillo (HOF)

140- gatti (please don't say hatton:lol: ) (HOF)

147- zab, baldomir

154- oscar (HOF)

what other HOFER's did floyd miracously duck during this ten year time frame. Who was better then these fighters at their divisions when floyd beat them.:deal

once again fuck face list the fighters floyd ducked at each weight class. I am still waiting for you to back up your claims with facts, not hyperbole.:deal

once again you talk about the "best" who did floyd duck at any weight who was better then him or that would be favored to beat him. you're just eating your own shit when you run your mouth like this.

Pay attention and learn to READ fag!! I've stated it prior in this thread but will humor this once again.

30 -Casamayor Interim BA Champ/ Freitas was BO

35 PBF ducked Spadafora IBF titlelist who BEAT HIS ASS in the gym and it took 3 years and rehab to get an offer from Floyd:lol: Despicable when most in the world believe that Floyd wins easily.

40 Tszyu/Hatton because HE FUCKING BEAT THE REAL CHAMP and is STILL TO THIS VERY MOMENT THE LINEAL CHAMP AT 40. Note that PBF opted for Gatti over Tszyu.

47 SSM/Margarito you can now add Cotto.

54?? Please fucking Floyd aint no Jr. Middle BITCH he weighed 150 and beat an OLD DLH!! Gee, how come Floyd never fought Wright at 54 after calling him out??:lol: Winky would have beat the shit outta Floyd.

How many defenses did PBf have at 47 or 54?? ANswer=NONE YET!!!

You should know all about eating shit FAGTIME!!! Floyd's four best opponents are Corrales, castillo, Judah, and DLH. ADD Hatton, SSM, Cotto, and the margarito vs Williams winner. THEN YOU CAN TALK BITCH.

mancat

07-06-2007, 05:03 AM

Pay attention and learn to READ fag!! I've stated it prior in this thread but will humor this once again.

30 -Casamayor Interim BA Champ/ Freitas was BO

35 PBF ducked Spadafora IBF titlelist who BEAT HIS ASS in the gym and it took 3 years and rehab to get an offer from Floyd:lol: Despicable when most in the world believe that Floyd wins easily.

40 Tszyu/Hatton because HE FUCKING BEAT THE REAL CHAMP and is STILL TO THIS VERY MOMENT THE LINEAL CHAMP AT 40. Note that PBF opted for Gatti over Tszyu.

47 SSM/Margarito you can now add Cotto.

54?? Please fucking Floyd aint no Jr. Middle BITCH he weighed 150 and beat an OLD DLH!! Gee, how come Floyd never fought Wright at 54 after calling him out??:lol: Winky would have beat the shit outta Floyd.

How many defenses did PBf have at 47 or 54?? ANswer=NONE YET!!!

You should know all about eating shit FAGTIME!!! Floyd's four best opponents are Corrales, castillo, Judah, and DLH. ADD Hatton, SSM, Cotto, and the margarito vs Williams winner. THEN YOU CAN TALK BITCH.

You are ignorant and offputting.

DonPrestige

07-06-2007, 05:07 AM

35 PBF ducked Spadafora IBF titlelist who BEAT HIS ASS in the gym and it took 3 years and rehab to get an offer from Floyd:lol: Despicable when most in the world believe that Floyd wins easily.

Maybe this is why Floyd didnt face him because he also knew he could beat him EASILY.

ron u.k.

07-06-2007, 07:11 AM

And yet you still haven't caught on... :huhwell of course not.your way,way ahead of me:patsch

igotJUIC3

07-06-2007, 08:22 AM

Actually tszyu was stripped of at least one of those belts when he didnt face a mandatory due to injury.

Now, you talk stupidity??:lol: :lol: :lol: Once Unified he became the LINEAL CHAMP and therefore the man to beat you dumb little bitch!! That doesnt change because he got stripped or relinquished either or both belts, IT ONLY CHANGES WITH A LOSS or RETIREMENT:good

Gatti was not the CHAMP, he was a titlelist PLAIN and SIMPLE. The fucking lunacy you and you're new butt buddy are displaying is QUITE ENTERTAINING as you show your asses to all:lol:

Welcome to boxing:happy as you OBVIOUSLY dont know you're ass from a hole in the ground.

Soooo basically he was a tittleist too when he let his two belts go....right. Gatti was a tittleist too since this is the word you want to use for people who have belts now...your about the dumbest person who thinks he knows so much...either way it goes its 5 tittles in 5 different weight classes....the experts dont recognize it for nothing you fucking clown!

C Money

07-06-2007, 01:26 PM

Soooo basically he was a tittleist too when he let his two belts go....right. Gatti was a tittleist too since this is the word you want to use for people who have belts now...your about the dumbest person who thinks he knows so much...either way it goes its 5 tittles in 5 different weight classes....the experts dont recognize it for nothing you fucking clown!

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! He was the CHAMP Lineally!!!!!!!! Amazing that
you are really that dense:lol: He beat the other CHAMPS, thus BECOMING THE MAN and that only changes with a loss or retirement. Tszyu got both after Hatton.

Go look in the mirror, you boxing challenged newcomer:good
5 ALpha titles doesnt equate to REAL CHAMPIONSHIPS. "The experts"?? Who you, fagtime, and other PBF fans???:lol: :lol: :lol:

C Money

07-06-2007, 01:28 PM

You are ignorant and offputting.

For you, fagtime, loosejuice and others alike?? GOOD!!! That's the idea:good

C Money

07-06-2007, 01:31 PM

Maybe this is why Floyd didnt face him because he also knew he could beat him EASILY.

When Floyd got SMACKED AROUND for 6 rounds, he KNEW IT WASNT GONNA BE EASY!!!!!!!!!!!:lol: :lol:

Pathetic, that Mr. P4P avoided collecting another belt at 35 for 3 years and THEN SUDDENLY as Spadafora hits rehab and an offer comes rolling in:lol: That speaks for itself.

audio101

07-06-2007, 02:31 PM

Who hasn't beaten Gatti and Zab at this point and come one Baldomir...pffft. Mayweather sure should be proud..:rofl

The Kurgan

07-06-2007, 06:40 PM

Are you George Bush since you keep stating rubbish over and over hoping eventually it becomes the truth?

Yes. Does giving credit to a boxer for beating a 40 year old make you retarded? Yes.

igotJUIC3

07-06-2007, 07:37 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! He was the CHAMP Lineally!!!!!!!! Amazing that
you are really that dense:lol: He beat the other CHAMPS, thus BECOMING THE MAN and that only changes with a loss or retirement. Tszyu got both after Hatton.

Go look in the mirror, you boxing challenged newcomer:good
5 ALpha titles doesnt equate to REAL CHAMPIONSHIPS. "The experts"?? Who you, fagtime, and other PBF fans???:lol: :lol: :lol:

so you mean to tell me you have heard ANY EXPERT say that PBF really didnt win 5 tittles in 5 diferent divisions???????????

Zu was one of hte best yes but was he the man NO!

are you the offspring of hellen keller?