Chad DAWSON v. Adrian DIACONU ~ ANALYSIS and PREDICTION Thread

[Decebal]

The fight is bound to happen, so we might as well get stuck in.


Which are these fighters' strengths and weaknesses?

How do they fight, generally?

Which strategy do you think each will most likely employ, this time around?

What would it take for each to win?

How will the fight most likely play out?

Who will win?

[LockDog387]

Chad Dawson by TKO or UD. Adrian Diaconu isn't the face at LHW, Chad Dawson is. If Chad Dawson "somehow" loses to Adrian Diaconu, than he doesn't deserve to be called the man in LHW, but I'm not too worried about that. I can't imagine a guy like Adrian Diaconu becoming the face at LHW, the guy is short and stumpy, I doubt he can even beat some of the top fighters like Erdei, Woods, Hopkins, let alone Dawson. He certainly can't beat Calzaghe when he moves up in weight. If you have a guy who is 5'9 who call himself the shark, and at was one point expected to be the best thing in the LHW division, everything about that screams "I'm not as good as people claim I am". None of the experts even mention him of possibly being in the top 10, and for good reason.

[ralphc]

Diaconu has a puncher's chance, but not much more unless he changes his style. Don't count on that.

[Quik]

Chad Dawson by TKO or UD. Adrian Diaconu isn't the face at LHW, Chad Dawson is. If Chad Dawson "somehow" loses to Adrian Diaconu, than he doesn't deserve to be called the man in LHW, but I'm not too worried about that. I can't imagine a guy like Adrian Diaconu becoming the face at LHW, the guy is short and stumpy. I doubt he can even beat some of the top fighters like Erdei, Woods, Hopkins, let alone Dawson. He certainly can't beat Calzaghe when he moves up in weight. If you have a guy who is 5'9, who call himself the shark and at one point was expected to be the best thing in the LHW division, everything about that screams "I'm not as good as people claim I am". None of the experts even mention him of possibly being in the top 10, and for good reason.

Soo? What the fuck does is appearance and his name has to do with his ability in the ring?

Dawson is very good but Diaconu his better than you think.

Diaconu TKO 8.

[Zakman]

Dawson's chin is quite suspect. He's never faced a top level puncher like Diaconu. IF Dawson can avoid getting hit solidly, he'll win - but it's unlikely that's gonna happen.

Diaconu by mid to late rounds TKO

[LockDog387]

Soo? What the fuck does is appearance and his name has to do with his ability in the ring?

Dawson is very good but Diaconu his better than you think.

Diaconu TKO 8.

We'll see, and I'm not just questioning his name and appearance. I also doubt he can eve beat some of the other top level fighters in his division like Woods, Erdei, or Julio Gonzalez.

[Quik]

I don't think he would beat Woods and i never saw Erdei fight. Gonzalez isn't a top fighter and Diaconu would beat him on points IMO.

[ralphc]

Dawson's chin is quite suspect. He's never faced a top level puncher like Diaconu. IF Dawson can avoid getting hit solidly, he'll win - but it's unlikely that's gonna happen.

Diaconu by mid to late rounds TKO


If I were you wouldn't put any money on this guy. Diaconu has no more ability than the other KO artist Mendoza, yet Mendoza couldn't get a solid hit.

Dawson is a tall boxer with short arms. I suppose that is why he has remained at light heavy. It must be hell trying to make weight. One way that Diaconu could beat him is a body attack. It is almost certain that Dawson feels fatigued from dehydration, and he could easily be run out of gas by a clever opponent with a heavy punch. The problem is Diaconu has not shown that level of cleverness in the past. Why would he show it now? :huh

[Quik]

Because he wants a world title and the money that goes with it?

[Decebal]

Which are these fighters' strengths and weaknesses?

Dawson is unbeaten. Dropped by Adamek. Wonderfully complete, polished and versatile. Excellent, intelligent boxer, great footwork, speed and distance; throws fairly hard, very accurate punches, very nice combinations; shows much economy of style. Superior foot positoning. Tall. However, his defence isn't the best; nor is his chin. Mentally, not the strongest.

Diaconu is unbeaten. Good, hard, accurate puncher; strikes decisively; unpredictable. Driven and higly motivated. Mentally strong, brave risk taker. Good head movement. However, he is small, his footwork is poor, he is not a very good boxer and lacks stamina; fairly limited.

How do they fight, generally?

Dawson is southpaw. He boxes a lot, like an elegant fencer, keeping great distance, using his jab very well to keep opponents at bay, lunging very fast to the body with the jab, and setting up nice one-two's, before throwing nice combinations. Jabs to keep his distance, taking advantage of his height very well. After punching or jabbing, he retreats straight away, using backward movement as his main means of defense. Usually beats opponents to the punch. Loves to hit to the body and does so effectively. Throws very nice, precise combinations. Defends either by counterpunching or by moving backwards or around the ring, before going on the counterattack, furiously, decisively. Tends to get into a grove quickly and gainst confidence if the opponent boxes with him. His relative lack of mental strength makes him lose concentration in the last quarter. His defense lets him down a bit in the last quarter. He can be hit by a good right. He doesn't deal with pressure and an aggressive opponent very well in the last quarter. If his chin is checked, he will struggle and aim simply to survive. He is not easy to finish, though, even when he is in trouble.
His great balance, excellent footwork and superior foot positioning allows him much economy of movement and purpose...You are crazy to try an box with him...not even Adamek could do it effectively.

Diaconu used to concentrate on ripping an opponent's head off and nothing else. Now, he boxes more and is better for it. He keeps a tight guard, and moves forward slouched over his gloves, waiting to pounce. His footwork is not the best so he relies on rushing his opponent and pushing him backwards. Doesn't jab enough, defending with his gloves. When he does jab, he goes straight for the head. Moves his head when defending and jumps backwards, to defend. Throws very effective one-twos to the head when he comes forward. Headhunts continuously and then jumps back. Has a decent left hook. Every punch he throws has a purpose - that of hitting his opponent's head. Moves his head well inside, avoiding punches well, headhunting and moving his head, headhunting and moving his head. Attacks explosively and sustains the pressure well, bravely. Tends to tire in the later rounds. Lacks stamina. Never been in big trouble so hard to say how he would react.

Which strategy do you think each will most likely employ?

I think Dawson will try to box the way he boxed against Adamek, establishing a big lead on the cards. He will be aware of he danger that Diaconu represents so he will defend better with his gloves while using his great footwork to get him out of trouble. He will jab a lot and go to the body a lot, more than against Adamek, lunging in and out, quickly, moving more, using his height advantage to keep his distance. He will aim to punish Diaconu and stop him on a cut or TKO him after jabbing him an outboxing him. He will try to do this early, before he loses his concentration and is let down by his lack of mental strength.

I think Diaconu will try to stay out away from Dawson's jab as much as possible, keeping a very tight guard and moving his head more when working his way inside. He will duck as he goes inside, rushing Dawson. and then start headhunting as usual. He will not want to box or counterpunch at all. He will take big risks to win an early stoppage but if Dawson looks in control from the very beginning he will bide his time, looking to stay out of trouble and pouncing whenever he sees an opening, looking for Dawson to start losing concentration towards the last quarter, when he is more likely to make mistakes.

What would it take for each to win? What would they have to do to win?

Dawson will have to prove his chin is very good to beat Diaconu. He will get tested and he won't have the luxury of recovering because Diaconu will be relentless. He will have to improve his glove defence and his head movement agains the ropes. He will have to improve his concentration and focus, to avoid all mistakes, especially in the latter rounds.

Diaconu will have to improve his footwork and balance a lot. He would have to have an even better head movement against Dawson. He must work on his speed and explosiveness a lot. He will have to take big risks and maintain the pressure once he hurts Dawson. He has to pounce and put it all on the line, headhunting and moving his head, headhunting and moving his head, punching hard, precisely until the ref stops the fight.

How will the fight most likely play out?

Dawson's qualities and intelligence in the ring should prove much too good for limited Diaconu. The versatile, precise punching Dawson will use his height advantage very well over the clumsy Diaconu. Diaconu's footwork is no way close to being good enough to allow him to compete. He will crouch an take guard agains the jabs that keep flying in as Dawson dances around him...Dawson will just rip Diaconu up when he tries to box...He will open his tight guard with his wonderful uppercuts. He will move quickly backwards out of the way every time Diaconu pounces or rushes him, punishing him as he comes in, turning him and hitting to the body, sapping Diaconu's strength like a bullfighter does with a charging bull.

After a couple of rounds in which he is completely outboxed and hit again and again, Diaconu will make a move...if not for any other reason but desperation. He will pounce, taking a big risk.

If he gets past the jab and past Dawson's punches and bullies him somehow agains the ropes, he will have to be very cool, very decisive and very lucky - he will not get more than a couple of seconds at best to have a go before Dawson is out again, dancing around him, punishing him. It's his only chance and he knows it.

But Dawson will expect it...he will hit back against the ropes and hit Diaconu to the body, turn him and stab him again and again. I cannot see the referee letting this go on for too long. If Diaconu doesn't finish Dawson when he has that very small chance, having rushed him agains the ropes, he will be stopped himself. 9/10 Dawson stops him as he comes in, driving. Diaconu simply cannot take it for 12 rounds...he will have a go and most likely pay for it.

However, if Dawson doesn't improve his defence and doesn't maintain his concentration at all times, Diaconu will hurt him. And if Diaconu hurts him, he will stop him too, there can be little doubt about that.
I cannot see this go to the cards. Diaconu will play it all on one card and either stop Dawson or get stopped in the process.

Who will win?

70% chance: Dawson TKO (9 or under)
20% chance: Diaconu TKO (6 or under)
10% chance: Dawson UD 120-108

[crashzzz]

Which are these fighters' strengths and weaknesses?

Dawson is unbeaten. Dropped by Adamek. Wonderfully complete, polished and versatile. Excellent, intelligent boxer, great footwork, speed and distance; throws fairly hard, very accurate punches, very nice combinations; shows much economy of style. Superior foot positoning. Tall. However, his defence isn't the best; nor is his chin. Mentally, not the strongest.

Diaconu is unbeaten. Good, hard, accurate puncher; strikes decisively; unpredictable. Driven and higly motivated. Mentally strong, brave risk taker. Good head movement. However, he is small, his footwork is poor, he is not a very good boxer and lacks stamina; fairly limited.

How do they fight, generally?

Dawson is southpaw. He boxes a lot, like an elegant fencer, keeping great distance, using his jab very well to keep opponents at bay, lunging very fast to the body with the jab, and setting up nice one-two's, before throwing nice combinations. Jabs to keep his distance, taking advantage of his height very well. After punching or jabbing, he retreats straight away, using backward movement as his main means of defense. Usually beats opponents to the punch. Loves to hit to the body and does so effectively. Throws very nice, precise combinations. Defends either by counterpunching or by moving backwards or around the ring, before going on the counterattack, furiously, decisively. Tends to get into a grove quickly and gainst confidence if the opponent boxes with him. His relative lack of mental strength makes him lose concentration in the last quarter. His defense lets him down a bit in the last quarter. He can be hit by a good right. He doesn't deal with pressure and an aggressive opponent very well in the last quarter. If his chin is checked, he will struggle and aim simply to survive. He is not easy to finish, though, even when he is in trouble.
His great balance, excellent footwork and superior foot positioning allows him much economy of movement and purpose...You are crazy to try an box with him...not even Adamek could do it effectively.

Diaconu used to concentrate on ripping an opponent's head off and nothing else. Now, he boxes more and is better for it. He keeps a tight guard, and moves forward slouched over his gloves, waiting to pounce. His footwork is not the best so he relies on rushing his opponent and pushing him backwards. Doesn't jab enough, defending with his gloves. When he does jab, he goes straight for the head. Moves his head when defending and jumps backwards, to defend. Throws very effective one-twos to the head when he comes forward. Headhunts continuously and then jumps back. Has a decent left hook. Every punch he throws has a purpose - that of hitting his opponent's head. Moves his head well inside, avoiding punches well, headhunting and moving his head, headhunting and moving his head. Attacks explosively and sustains the pressure well, bravely. Tends to tire in the later rounds. Lacks stamina. Never been in big trouble so hard to say how he would react.

Which strategy do you think each will most likely employ?

I think Dawson will try to box the way he boxed against Adamek, establishing a big lead on the cards. He will be aware of he danger that Diaconu represents so he will defend better with his gloves while using his great footwork to get him out of trouble. He will jab a lot and go to the body a lot, more than against Adamek, lunging in and out, quickly, moving more, using his height advantage to keep his distance. He will aim to punish Diaconu and stop him on a cut or TKO him after jabbing him an outboxing him. He will try to do this early, before he loses his concentration and is let down by his lack of mental strength.

I think Diaconu will try to stay out away from Dawson's jab as much as possible, keeping a very tight guard and moving his head more when working his way inside. He will duck as he goes inside, rushing Dawson. and then start headhunting as usual. He will not want to box or counterpunch at all. He will take big risks to win an early stoppage but if Dawson looks in control from the very beginning he will bide his time, looking to stay out of trouble and pouncing whenever he sees an opening, looking for Dawson to start losing concentration towards the last quarter, when he is more likely to make mistakes.

What would it take for each to win? What would they have to do to win?

Dawson will have to prove his chin is very good to beat Diaconu. He will get tested and he won't have the luxury of recovering because Diaconu will be relentless. He will have to improve his glove defence and his head movement agains the ropes. He will have to improve his concentration and focus, to avoid all mistakes, especially in the latter rounds.

Diaconu will have to improve his footwork and balance a lot. He would have to have an even better head movement against Dawson. He must work on his speed and explosiveness a lot. He will have to take big risks and maintain the pressure once he hurts Dawson. He has to pounce and put it all on the line, headhunting and moving his head, headhunting and moving his head, punching hard, precisely until the ref stops the fight.

How will the fight most likely play out?

Dawson's qualities and intelligence in the ring should prove much too good for limited Diaconu. The versatile, precise punching Dawson will use his height advantage very well over the clumsy Diaconu. Diaconu's footwork is no way close to being good enough to allow him to compete. He will crouch an take guard agains the jabs that keep flying in as Dawson dances around him...Dawson will just rip Diaconu up when he tries to box...He will open his tight guard with his wonderful uppercuts. He will move quickly backwards out of the way every time Diaconu pounces or rushes him, punishing him as he comes in, turning him and hitting to the body, sapping Diaconu's strength like a bullfighter does with a charging bull.

After a couple of rounds in which he is completely outboxed and hit again and again, Diaconu will make a move...if not for any other reason but desperation. He will pounce, taking a big risk.

If he gets past the jab and past Dawson's punches and bullies him somehow agains the ropes, he will have to be very cool, very decisive and very lucky - he will not get more than a couple of seconds at best to have a go before Dawson is out again, dancing around him, punishing him. It's his only chance and he knows it.

But Dawson will expect it...he will hit back against the ropes and hit Diaconu to the body, turn him and stab him again and again. I cannot see the referee letting this go on for too long. If Diaconu doesn't finish Dawson when he has that very small chance, having rushed him agains the ropes, he will be stopped himself. 9/10 Dawson stops him as he comes in, driving. Diaconu simply cannot take it for 12 rounds...he will have a go and most likely pay for it.

However, if Dawson doesn't improve his defence and doesn't maintain his concentration at all times, Diaconu will hurt him. And if Diaconu hurts him, he will stop him too, there can be little doubt about that.
I cannot see this go to the cards. Diaconu will play it all on one card and either stop Dawson or get stopped in the process.

Who will win?

Dawson TKO 9.

no mentionning of Dawson's double right-hooks??

[Decebal]

no mentionning of Dawson's double right-hooks??

Mate...I am pretty much a beginner...don't expect too much of me...I gave it my best shot, though...:oops:...I am looking forward to reading the proper analysis of the analysts: the stuff that not everyone sees and appreciates...

[Boro chris]

Which are these fighters' strengths and weaknesses?

Dawson is unbeaten. Dropped by Adamek. Wonderfully complete, polished and versatile. Excellent, intelligent boxer, great footwork, speed and distance; throws fairly hard, very accurate punches, very nice combinations; shows much economy of style. Superior foot positoning. Tall. However, his defence isn't the best; nor is his chin. Mentally, not the strongest.

Diaconu is unbeaten. Good, hard, accurate puncher; strikes decisively; unpredictable. Driven and higly motivated. Mentally strong, brave risk taker. Good head movement. However, he is small, his footwork is poor, he is not a very good boxer and lacks stamina; fairly limited.

How do they fight, generally?

Dawson is southpaw. He boxes a lot, like an elegant fencer, keeping great distance, using his jab very well to keep opponents at bay, lunging very fast to the body with the jab, and setting up nice one-two's, before throwing nice combinations. Jabs to keep his distance, taking advantage of his height very well. After punching or jabbing, he retreats straight away, using backward movement as his main means of defense. Usually beats opponents to the punch. Loves to hit to the body and does so effectively. Throws very nice, precise combinations. Defends either by counterpunching or by moving backwards or around the ring, before going on the counterattack, furiously, decisively. Tends to get into a grove quickly and gainst confidence if the opponent boxes with him. His relative lack of mental strength makes him lose concentration in the last quarter. His defense lets him down a bit in the last quarter. He can be hit by a good right. He doesn't deal with pressure and an aggressive opponent very well in the last quarter. If his chin is checked, he will struggle and aim simply to survive. He is not easy to finish, though, even when he is in trouble.
His great balance, excellent footwork and superior foot positioning allows him much economy of movement and purpose...You are crazy to try an box with him...not even Adamek could do it effectively.

Diaconu used to concentrate on ripping an opponent's head off and nothing else. Now, he boxes more and is better for it. He keeps a tight guard, and moves forward slouched over his gloves, waiting to pounce. His footwork is not the best so he relies on rushing his opponent and pushing him backwards. Doesn't jab enough, defending with his gloves. When he does jab, he goes straight for the head. Moves his head when defending and jumps backwards, to defend. Throws very effective one-twos to the head when he comes forward. Headhunts continuously and then jumps back. Has a decent left hook. Every punch he throws has a purpose - that of hitting his opponent's head. Moves his head well inside, avoiding punches well, headhunting and moving his head, headhunting and moving his head. Attacks explosively and sustains the pressure well, bravely. Tends to tire in the later rounds. Lacks stamina. Never been in big trouble so hard to say how he would react.

Which strategy do you think each will most likely employ?

I think Dawson will try to box the way he boxed against Adamek, establishing a big lead on the cards. He will be aware of he danger that Diaconu represents so he will defend better with his gloves while using his great footwork to get him out of trouble. He will jab a lot and go to the body a lot, more than against Adamek, lunging in and out, quickly, moving more, using his height advantage to keep his distance. He will aim to punish Diaconu and stop him on a cut or TKO him after jabbing him an outboxing him. He will try to do this early, before he loses his concentration and is let down by his lack of mental strength.

I think Diaconu will try to stay out away from Dawson's jab as much as possible, keeping a very tight guard and moving his head more when working his way inside. He will duck as he goes inside, rushing Dawson. and then start headhunting as usual. He will not want to box or counterpunch at all. He will take big risks to win an early stoppage but if Dawson looks in control from the very beginning he will bide his time, looking to stay out of trouble and pouncing whenever he sees an opening, looking for Dawson to start losing concentration towards the last quarter, when he is more likely to make mistakes.

What would it take for each to win? What would they have to do to win?

Dawson will have to prove his chin is very good to beat Diaconu. He will get tested and he won't have the luxury of recovering because Diaconu will be relentless. He will have to improve his glove defence and his head movement agains the ropes. He will have to improve his concentration and focus, to avoid all mistakes, especially in the latter rounds.

Diaconu will have to improve his footwork and balance a lot. He would have to have an even better head movement against Dawson. He must work on his speed and explosiveness a lot. He will have to take big risks and maintain the pressure once he hurts Dawson. He has to pounce and put it all on the line, headhunting and moving his head, headhunting and moving his head, punching hard, precisely until the ref stops the fight.

How will the fight most likely play out?

Dawson's qualities and intelligence in the ring should prove much too good for limited Diaconu. The versatile, precise punching Dawson will use his height advantage very well over the clumsy Diaconu. Diaconu's footwork is no way close to being good enough to allow him to compete. He will crouch an take guard agains the jabs that keep flying in as Dawson dances around him...Dawson will just rip Diaconu up when he tries to box...He will open his tight guard with his wonderful uppercuts. He will move quickly backwards out of the way every time Diaconu pounces or rushes him, punishing him as he comes in, turning him and hitting to the body, sapping Diaconu's strength like a bullfighter does with a charging bull.

After a couple of rounds in which he is completely outboxed and hit again and again, Diaconu will make a move...if not for any other reason but desperation. He will pounce, taking a big risk.

If he gets past the jab and past Dawson's punches and bullies him somehow agains the ropes, he will have to be very cool, very decisive and very lucky - he will not get more than a couple of seconds at best to have a go before Dawson is out again, dancing around him, punishing him. It's his only chance and he knows it.

But Dawson will expect it...he will hit back against the ropes and hit Diaconu to the body, turn him and stab him again and again. I cannot see the referee letting this go on for too long. If Diaconu doesn't finish Dawson when he has that very small chance, having rushed him agains the ropes, he will be stopped himself. 9/10 Dawson stops him as he comes in, driving. Diaconu simply cannot take it for 12 rounds...he will have a go and most likely pay for it.

However, if Dawson doesn't improve his defence and doesn't maintain his concentration at all times, Diaconu will hurt him. And if Diaconu hurts him, he will stop him too, there can be little doubt about that.
I cannot see this go to the cards. Diaconu will play it all on one card and either stop Dawson or get stopped in the process.

Who will win?

Dawson TKO 9.

Ok. Now your just showing off!:bart :D

[crashzzz]

Mate...I am pretty much a beginner...don't expect too much of me...I gave it my best shot, though...:oops:...I am looking forward to reading the proper analysis of the analysts: the stuff that not everyone sees and appreciates...

:lol:

don't worry... I thought your analysis was really good! :good

[Decebal]

Ok. Now your just showing off!:bart :D
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[.trunzx]

Diaconu KO6 Dawson

When your former trainer starts calling you a retard I somehow doubt his mentality is anything but very poor. Dawsons going to get caught and Diaconu will finish him off. This isn't going to be another "flash" knockdown, even though he was clearly hurt in the past.

I give Dawson a solid shot at winning a points decision however im leaning towards a Diaconu KO. I think he will take Diaconu lightly and get KOed.

[brooklyn1550]

Decebal, your analysis seems very well-thought out. I don't know much about Diaconu other than a few fights, so I can't give an analysis on this fight. I'll give a semi-educated pick...

Dawson UD12 Diaconu
117-111 x 2, 118-110

[Decebal]

Dawson UD12 Diaconu
117-111 x 2, 118-110

What was your thought process for going for a wide UD but not a complete shutout? How do you envisage Diaconu getting those 3 rounds? I just cannot see Diaconu getting any rounds against Dawson without hurting him, and if he does hurt him in as many as three rounds, I would expect Diaconu to stop him for sure...:think

[LockDog387]

Any reason why Dawson is having a hardtime getting this fight televised? I mean his last four fights were on Showtime. Shouldn't Showtime pick this up?

[andyZOR]

Diaconu KO9

Also, I don't really see the need for all these Dawson - Diaconu threads. Stick to one.

[pudding]

Because he wants a world title and the money that goes with it?



Ask Hopkins or Wright how much money comes with a title. Money comes from drawing fans. Hopkins and Wright were living on starvation wages until they got a fight with more popular opponents. Trinidad was Hopkins saviour, and Mosley saved Wright from singing for his supper at the Salvation Army.

[huki]

Dawson's chin is quite suspect. He's never faced a top level puncher like Diaconu. IF Dawson can avoid getting hit solidly, he'll win - but it's unlikely that's gonna happen.

Diaconu by mid to late rounds TKO
You're really stuck on Dawson's chin. :D I don't think his chin is great, but you will see that even if Diaconu lands, it will not affect him.

Diaconu is far from a top level puncher when it comes to power or technique. I would even say Dawson's power is a little better and definitely more proven than his. Diaconu's power is one of the biggest myths in boxing. He is also far from an elite fighter. He's going to be outclassed and we will see how mentally/physically tough he is when Dawson breaks him down round by round. I can't wait for this fight to be made.

[Decebal]

I can't wait for this fight to be made.

I agree!:D

;)

[Decebal]

huki, you are underrating Diaconu as a finisher and overrating Dawson's chin and mental strenght! If Diaconu hurts Dawson, he will finish him too!:deal

[huki]

huki, you are underrating Diaconu as a finisher and overrating Dawson's chin and mental strenght! If Diaconu hurts Dawson, he will finish him too!:deal
How many of Diaconu's fights have you watched? A lot probably, so you should understand that I'm overrating him as a finisher and power puncher if anything. He's an above-average puncher at best who's hype was generated from a knockout of Rico Hoye (:patsch) on ESPN. His punches may seem very powerful because of how dramatic they look, but they're not. Statistics and film don't lie and they both indicate his great power is a myth.

When has Dawson showed weak mental strength?

[Decebal]

How many of Diaconu's fights have you watched? A lot probably, so you should understand that I'm overrating him as a finisher and power puncher if anything. He's an above-average puncher at best who's hype was generated from a knockout of Rico Hoye (:patsch) on ESPN. His punches may seem very powerful because of how dramatic they look, but they're not. Statistics and film don't lie and they both indicate his great power is a myth.

When has Dawson showed weak mental strength?

Diaconu is quite powerful but it is not his power that gets the results, in my view - it is the technique, precision and volume of his punches - they graze the face and forehead and can open up cuts - as happened against Hoye. Diaconu is an ice-cold finisher - he doesn't hesitate as Adamek did. More importantly, Diaconu is improving - don't base your appreciation of him so much on his early fights.

Dawson has shown he loses concentration in the latter rounds against Adamek and gets hit more easily as a result, particularly by someone aggressive. After he was KD'ed - and that wasn't a big KD either - he found it quite hard to start boxing again...for the rest of the fight, he couldn't recover and didn't show anything special any more. These things point to a relative lack of mental strength, I think. I don't think Dawson can really improve his mental strength...and he certainly cannot improve his chin.

So, not the best chin and not the strongest mind + pressure, good punching and killer instinct = good chance that if Dawson is hurt, Diaconu will finish him. No?:think

[Decebal]

I agree with sean, for example, who says that Dawson will shut Diaconu completely out. This can happen if Diaconu is not aggressive on the night or Dawson very reticent, perhaps because he doesn't want to take any chances.

But I think it's more likely that Dawson will stop Diacon, because Diaconu will take a big risk, knowing he cannot outbox Dawson. Dawson will either get stopped - small chance, or, finish Diaconu himself in the process - most likely.

But I think the chance is smaller for Dawson to win without shutting Diaconu out completely than for Dawson to be stopped by Diaconu, because if Dawson is hurt, I cannot see Diaconu not stopping him. Can anyone explain how Diaconu will get 3-4 rounds against Dawson without hurting him? He must hurt him to get a couple of rounds, because he won't get those rounds by outpointing Dawson. But if he can hurt Dawson, can anyone please explain how Dawson will survive? Why won't Diaconu be able to stop him?

[huki]

Diaconu is quite powerful but it is not his power that gets the results, in my view - it is the technique, precision and volume of his punches - they graze the face and forehead and can open up cuts - as happened against Hoye. Diaconu is an ice-cold finisher - he doesn't hesitate as Adamek did. More importantly, Diaconu is improving - don't base your appreciation of him so much on his early fights.

Dawson has shown he loses concentration in the latter rounds against Adamek and gets hit more easily as a result, particularly by someone aggressive. After he was KD'ed - and that wasn't a big KD either - he found it quite hard to start boxing again...for the rest of the fight, he couldn't recover and didn't show anything special any more. These things point to a relative lack of mental strength, I think. I don't think Dawson can really improve his mental strength...and he certainly cannot improve his chin.

So, not the best chin and not the strongest mind + pressure, good punching and killer instinct = good chance that if Dawson is hurt, Diaconu will finish him. No?:think
You can't compare anything he did to Hoye to what he will do to Dawson. He will have major problems connecting any solid shots on Dawson and even though his awkward aggressive style might help him land a few big punches on him, it won't matter. Like I said before, his power is a myth.. he couldn't stop (or stopped very late) a large number of very weak-chinned opponents, even after landing a lot of power shots on them.

Dawson's chin is underrated. When was he ever actually hurt by a punch (not a flash KD)? "I don't think Dawson can really improve his mental strength". He definitely could. He's becoming more comfortable in the ring and that improves one's chin and overall mental strength/relaxation. He didn't show he was mentally weak in the Adamek fight. He got off the canvas and went into safety mode instead of continuing to outbox him because he was WAY up on the cards, he had first title fight nerves, and he didn't need to put himself at risk to finish the 12th better. If anyone's mental strength is gonna be tested, it will be Diaconu's. Diaconu hasn't fought anybody yet and he's up against an elite fighter with unbelievable speed and boxing skills. We will see how strong he is when he becomes extremely frustrated after getting completely outboxed. It should be really exciting. :D Dawson TKO Diaconu.

[Decebal]

You can't compare anything he did to Hoye to what he will do to Dawson. He will have major problems connecting any solid shots on Dawson and even though his awkward aggressive style might help him land a few big punches on him, it won't matter. Like I said before, his power is a myth.. he couldn't stop (or stopped very late) a large number of very weak-chinned opponents, even after landing a lot of power shots on them.

Dawson's chin is underrated. When was he ever actually hurt by a punch (not a flash KD)? "I don't think Dawson can really improve his mental strength". He definitely could. He's becoming more comfortable in the ring and that improves one's chin and overall mental strength/relaxation. He didn't show he was mentally weak in the Adamek fight. He got off the canvas and went into safety mode instead of continuing to outbox him because he was WAY up on the cards, he had first title fight nerves, and he didn't need to put himself at risk to finish the 12th better. If anyone's mental strength is gonna be tested, it will be Diaconu's. Diaconu hasn't fought anybody yet and he's up against an elite fighter with unbelievable speed and boxing skills. We will see how strong he is when he becomes extremely frustrated after getting completely outboxed. It should be really exciting. :D Dawson TKO Diaconu.

huki, I don't expect you have read my very long post; I am basically arguing that I think Dawson will have way too much for Diaconu. I agree with you that an early stoppage is very likely after Diaconu gets very frustrated and completely outboxed.

However I disagree with you that Diaconu is not a puncher.
:good

[RealIzm]

Diaconu will win easily. Everyone seems to underestimate his footwork, distance and timing, great defense. Mid-late KO for Diaconu. He's as much fun to watch as Tyson was in his prime. Dawson will feel the pain and try to run...until he gets caught...all very sad for Mr. Dawson and his fans:-( It should be rated R for the blood and gore. Cheers:good

[lefty]

Diaconu is quite powerful but it is not his power that gets the results, in my view - it is the technique, precision and volume of his punches - they graze the face and forehead and can open up cuts - as happened against Hoye. Diaconu is an ice-cold finisher - he doesn't hesitate as Adamek did. More importantly, Diaconu is improving - don't base your appreciation of him so much on his early fights.

Dawson has shown he loses concentration in the latter rounds against Adamek and gets hit more easily as a result, particularly by someone aggressive. After he was KD'ed - and that wasn't a big KD either - he found it quite hard to start boxing again...for the rest of the fight, he couldn't recover and didn't show anything special any more. These things point to a relative lack of mental strength, I think. I don't think Dawson can really improve his mental strength...and he certainly cannot improve his chin.

So, not the best chin and not the strongest mind + pressure, good punching and killer instinct = good chance that if Dawson is hurt, Diaconu will finish him. No?:think

Where do people get the idea that Dawson struggled against adamek for the last three rounds? You need to watch the fight again, maybe when you watched it you felt scared for Dawson after the knockdown so your perception of what was happening was a bit off, Dawson even won the remainder of the round of the knockdown with adamek charging at him, mentally weak is something Dawson is most definitely not.

[Decebal]

Am I the only one who thinks Dawson is not the strongest mentally?:think

[lefty]

Am I the only one who thinks Dawson is not the strongest mentally?:think

Based on what? I think it is his most underrated quality, he has unlimited self belief and determination.

[Decebal]

I never said that he didn't have self-belief or that he wasn't determined, did I? I said he might not have the greatest mental strength. Not one and the same.:deal

[RealIzm]

I never said that he didn't have self-belief or that he wasn't determined, did I? I said he might not have the greatest mental strength. Not one and the same.:dealIt's all null and void once Diaconu lands a few clean punches. Self belief and determination? Fuck outa here mate with that bullocks.Self belief and determination will be replaced by pain, suffering, fear and the poor taste of defeat. So get it through your fuckin head already:fire

[lefty]

I never said that he didn't have self-belief or that he wasn't determined, did I? I said he might not have the greatest mental strength. Not one and the same.:deal

Please explain the difference and how he is lacking mental strength? Self-belief and determination carry you through the tough times, Dawson has had some tough moments and never lost his composure in the slightest so i'm looking forward to what you can tell me.

[lefty]

It's all null and void once Diaconu lands a few clean punches. Self belief and determination? Fuck outa here mate with that bullocks.Self belief and determination will be replaced by pain, suffering, fear and the poor taste of defeat. So get it through your fuckin head already:fire

Well that was informative and eye-opening, thanks for that.

[LockDog387]

What's the big fuss about Dawson's chin? When he fought Harding he got knocked down from a counter-jab, a typical counter-jab that almost every fighter has been knocked down from. Does that mean he can easily be knock down from a jab? Of course not. As a matter fact he was getting hit often by the jab so much he recieved a cut in the 10th round. In his fight against Adamek he got hit by a right hand that he didn't expect coming. Dawson was moving in angles, while not having his guard up, and got caught by a right hand. Most likely was overconfident because he was way ahead in the score cards, I've seen this happen to numerous elite fighters. The point is, if you Diaconu fans think Dawson will just be koed from a couple hard shots, well your in for a big surprise. I even doubt Diaconu will land anything cleanly.

[brooklyn1550]

What was your thought process for going for a wide UD but not a complete shutout? How do you envisage Diaconu getting those 3 rounds? I just cannot see Diaconu getting any rounds against Dawson without hurting him, and if he does hurt him in as many as three rounds, I would expect Diaconu to stop him for sure...:think

I see him landing the harder shots in some rounds while Dawson doesn't do too much.

[Amsterdam]

I see him landing the harder shots in some rounds while Dawson doesn't do too much.

I see a shutout, Diaconu also fades badly later on, it's very possible he gets stopped.

[Stezzie]

If I were you wouldn't put any money on this guy. Diaconu has no more ability than the other KO artist Mendoza, yet Mendoza couldn't get a solid hit.

Dawson is a tall boxer with short arms. I suppose that is why he has remained at light heavy. It must be hell trying to make weight. One way that Diaconu could beat him is a body attack. It is almost certain that Dawson feels fatigued from dehydration, and he could easily be run out of gas by a clever opponent with a heavy punch. The problem is Diaconu has not shown that level of cleverness in the past. Why would he show it now? :huh

You are an idiot...Dawson just came from 168...He fights at 172-173. How in the hell is it hard to make weight when you fight under the limit? :huh Your one of the those people who just spout pure ignorance on a whim...

[ralphc]

How many of Diaconu's fights have you watched? A lot probably, so you should understand that I'm overrating him as a finisher and power puncher if anything. He's an above-average puncher at best who's hype was generated from a knockout of Rico Hoye (:patsch) on ESPN. His punches may seem very powerful because of how dramatic they look, but they're not. Statistics and film don't lie and they both indicate his great power is a myth.

When has Dawson showed weak mental strength?



Yeah, I would like to know how many of Diaconu's fights his new found fans have seen? He is obviously a journeyman boxer, yet they claim Diaconu is a Mike Tyson makeover. These deluded people are setting themselves up a a very big disappointment.

When did Dawson show mental weakness? He might have shown it after the knockdown by Adamek insofar as he was doing much more running than in the previous rounds. However, despite the running he was still winning the rounds. That has to tell you that Dawson is a serious threat to anybody in any weight division.

[goofy]

Diaconu's power is one of the biggest myths in boxing.

:nut Yeah Hoye was mythically transformed. And before the fight Hoye had a better KO % than Diaconu. So numbers are not telling everything. Diaconu will prolly lose but if one of those myths hits Chad flush it will be ugly and bloody.

[goofy]

Yeah, I would like to know how many of Diaconu's fights his new found fans have seen? He is obviously a journeyman boxer, yet they claim Diaconu is a Mike Tyson makeover. These deluded people are setting themselves up a a very big disappointment.

When did Dawson show mental weakness? He might have shown it after the knockdown by Adamek insofar as he was doing much more running than in the previous rounds. However, despite the running he was still winning the rounds. That has to tell you that Dawson is a serious threat to anybody in any weight division.

Well if Diaconu is a journeyman, so be it. I like him. Decebal said he is clumsy. I think it looks that way cuz he is short and he has to jump forward to catch his oponents (somethig that Tua did too and no one called him clumsy). He does not have that aura that US media/fans are putting on Chad Dawson but he has more experience than Chad (some will disagree). He is going for the jugular (cuz he knows Chad will oubox him 12 rounds) and that makes him a loose canon. If Dawson he is retarded (like Mayweather said) he can try to trade powershots with Diaconu and we will see whos chin/power is best.

[LockDog387]

Well if Diaconu is a journeyman, so be it. I like him. Decebal said he is clumsy. I think it looks that way cuz he is short and he has to jump forward to catch his oponents (somethig that Tua did too and no one called him clumsy). He does not have that aura that US media/fans are putting on Chad Dawson but he has more experience than Chad (some will disagree). He is going for the jugular (cuz he knows Chad will oubox him 12 rounds) and that makes him a loose canon. If Dawson he is retarded (like Mayweather said) he can try to trade powershots with Diaconu and we will see whos chin/power is best.
He is that aura around him because he is that good, it's not because he's American. Do you honestly believe what Mayweather says? I take what he says with a grain of salt, and so far Dawson has proven he has great ring intelligence. Dawson won't trade blow for blow with Diaconu, he will box him in the outside and avoid getting hit, simple logic. Dawson does not need to prove he has the better chin/power because will he prove he's the better fighter when he wins the fight. I think Dawson is more experienced than Diaconu because he has fought the better fighters in the pro's and has a long amateur career. Sure Diaconu has more amateur fights and a lengthy amatuer career as well, but just because someone has a longer amateur career doesn't automatically make them a better fighter. Tomasz Adamek had a lengthy amateur career and he's still a limited boxer.

[ralphc]

He is that aura around him because he is that good, it's not because he's American. Do you honestly believe what Mayweather says? I take what he says with a grain of salt, and so far Dawson has proven he has great ring intelligence. Dawson won't trade blow for blow with Diaconu, he will box him in the outside and avoid getting hit, simple logic. Dawson does not need to prove he has the better chin/power because will he prove he's the better fighter when he wins the fight. I think Dawson is more experienced than Diaconu because he has fought the better fighters in the pro's and has a long amateur career. Sure Diaconu has more amateur fights and a lengthy amatuer career as well, but just because someone has a longer amateur career doesn't automatically make them a better fighter. Tomasz Adamek had a lengthy amateur career and he's still a limited boxer.


Adamek is "limited?" :huh

Before Dawson gave him a boxing lesson, he was clearly the best man in the division. Why do you think Hopkins and Tarver weren't interested in his title? Nor are they interested in Dawson.

[Quik]

I can't wait to see Diacony KO Chad.

[yesihavearm]

Adamek is "limited?" :huh

Before Dawson gave him a boxing lesson, he was clearly the best man in the division. Why do you think Hopkins and Tarver weren't interested in his title? Nor are they interested in Dawson.

I doubt Hopkins or Tarver even knew who Adamek or Dawson was at the time.

Dawson's got a shaky chin, leaky defence and isnt strong mentally. He hasnt been to the dark places, someone with a good offence will beat him.

[LiGhTsOuT1014]

Thats why Tarver is scared shitless of Dawson huh??? He was offered almost 2 mil to fight Chad but instead is fighting Blades lol. He has such a leaky defence thats why he was hit soooo many times against Adamek rite??? He clearly got careless and got caught by a shot that would have put alot of people out look at he shot Jones took from Tarver looked pretty similar...

[ralphc]

Thats why Tarver is scared shitless of Dawson huh??? He was offered almost 2 mil to fight Chad but instead is fighting Blades lol. He has such a leaky defence thats why he was hit soooo many times against Adamek rite??? He clearly got careless and got caught by a shot that would have put alot of people out look at he shot Jones took from Tarver looked pretty similar...



Don't confuse these nuthuggers with facts! :nono

[huki]

:nut Yeah Hoye was mythically transformed. And before the fight Hoye had a better KO % than Diaconu. So numbers are not telling everything. Diaconu will prolly lose but if one of those myths hits Chad flush it will be ugly and bloody.
Hoye is an absolute nobody. He fights scared and has a very weak chin. Not only did he get stopped by Woods early, he was hurt badly and dropped by Prince Badi Ajamu. :lol: It's ridiculous how much hype Diaconu got for looking impressive against a glass chinned joke without any skill.

Well if Diaconu is a journeyman, so be it. I like him. Decebal said he is clumsy. I think it looks that way cuz he is short and he has to jump forward to catch his oponents (somethig that Tua did too and no one called him clumsy). He does not have that aura that US media/fans are putting on Chad Dawson but he has more experience than Chad (some will disagree). He is going for the jugular (cuz he knows Chad will oubox him 12 rounds) and that makes him a loose canon. If Dawson he is retarded (like Mayweather said) he can try to trade powershots with Diaconu and we will see whos chin/power is best.
He looks clumsy because he IS clumsy and is an unpolished fighter. Just because Diaconu had more amateur fights means nothing. Shit, why am I even arguing with this. Pro experience wise and skills wise, Diaconu can't even stand near Dawson.

Aghhh, I can't wait until this fight happens. If it's in Sacramento again I will definitely be buying tickets, even though everyone I would go with will be cheering for Diaconu, since I'm from Moldova which is right next to Romania. I just can't stand hypejobs like this and I can't wait for Dawson to increase his stock after disposing of him.

[Decebal]

If it's in Sacramento again I will definitely be buying tickets, even though everyone I would go with will be cheering for Diaconu, since I'm from Moldova which is right next to Romania. I just can't stand hypejobs like this and I can't wait for Dawson to increase his stock after disposing of him.

Didn't know you were from Moldova...do you speak/understand any Romanian, huki?:think

Anyway...I don't understand where your dislike of Diaconu comes from...I don't suppose there is anyone on ESB who dislikes him more...You say it's because he is a hypejob...How come? Except for Montreal boxing fans who have followed his career, the only reason people talk about him is because of his dramatic, exciting stoppage of not-very-good-at-all Hoye...Most reasonable fans of his aggressive style think that he has a very small chance of beating the very talented Dawson, but that if he can hurt Dawson, he has a good chance of stopping him...how does that make Diaconu a hypejob? :think

I can understand why you want Dawson to prove that he can take on an aggressive fighter who will hopefully throw everything except the kitchen sink and so do all Dawson fans, myself included, but why wish that Diaconu loses so passionately? It almost seems that he would have been more popular with his critics had he UD'ed Hoye instead of stopping him in such a dramatic fashion. Just because there are people who will get excited over what could very well be a flash in a pan doesn't mean that the fighter deserves to be disliked, does it?:good

[andyZOR]

edit, dont feel like arguing.

[ralphc]

Didn't know you were from Moldova...do you speak/understand any Romanian, huki?:think

Anyway...I don't understand where your dislike of Diaconu comes from...I don't suppose there is anyone on ESB who dislikes him more...You say it's because he is a hypejob...How come? Except for Montreal boxing fans who have followed his career, the only reason people talk about him is because of his dramatic, exciting stoppage of not-very-good-at-all Hoye...Most reasonable fans of his aggressive style think that he has a very small chance of beating the very talented Dawson, but that if he can hurt Dawson, he has a good chance of stopping him...how does that make Diaconu a hypejob? :think

I can understand why you want Dawson to prove that he can take on an aggressive fighter who will hopefully throw everything except the kitchen sink and so do all Dawson fans, myself included, but why wish that Diaconu loses so passionately? It almost seems that he would have been more popular with his critics had he UD'ed Hoye instead of stopping him in such a dramatic fashion. Just because there are people who will get excited over what could very well be a flash in a pan doesn't mean that the fighter deserves to be disliked, does it?:good



Do you remember all the hype about Jeff Lacy being the new Mike Tyson? Some people are trying to do the same with Diaconu. Remember they were taking bets on which round he would KO Calzaghe? People like that don't know the first thing about boxing. Calzaghe had a clear style advantage over Lacy just as Dawson has a clear style advantage over Diaconu. I thought there was a good chance Calzaghe would TKO Lacy and I think there is a good chance Dawson will TKO Diaconu.

Just watch the knives come out when Diaconu loses. The same knuckleheads who are building him up now will start tearing him down. Amazingly they will claim they knew it all along! :shock:

[huki]

Didn't know you were from Moldova...do you speak/understand any Romanian, huki?:think

Anyway...I don't understand where your dislike of Diaconu comes from...I don't suppose there is anyone on ESB who dislikes him more...You say it's because he is a hypejob...How come? Except for Montreal boxing fans who have followed his career, the only reason people talk about him is because of his dramatic, exciting stoppage of not-very-good-at-all Hoye...Most reasonable fans of his aggressive style think that he has a very small chance of beating the very talented Dawson, but that if he can hurt Dawson, he has a good chance of stopping him...how does that make Diaconu a hypejob? :think

I can understand why you want Dawson to prove that he can take on an aggressive fighter who will hopefully throw everything except the kitchen sink and so do all Dawson fans, myself included, but why wish that Diaconu loses so passionately? It almost seems that he would have been more popular with his critics had he UD'ed Hoye instead of stopping him in such a dramatic fashion. Just because there are people who will get excited over what could very well be a flash in a pan doesn't mean that the fighter deserves to be disliked, does it?:good
No, I don't speak Moldovan/Romanian, just Russian since I was born in the USSR. I know you're the biggest Bute fan on here, but are you from Romania?

I don't hate Diaconu or anything like that. I like some fighters with wild styles (Mayorga, Hamed, etc.) too, so I don't disike him because of his style of fighting. What I do dislike is people hyping and jumping on a fighter who has been a pro for over 5 years and achieved nothing worth mentioning. I hate when people start talking about Diaconu's great power, which like I said before, is a myth. I also highly doubt that if he manages to hurt Dawson, he will finish him. Dawson's chin IS suspect though so there's a chance he will lose, but it's easily less than 5%.

The funny thing is that I actually liked Diaconu before he started getting hyped all over the internet by annoying boxing fans. There's a large group of people who search for hopeful fighters from eastern europe or just white fighters in general and start hyping them up like crazy even though they've proven and shown nothing. These same people usually ignore fighters who aren't eastern euros/white americans and don't give them credit until they've accomplished a lot. There are also many people on the opposite side who are biased against euro fighters and don't give them credit when they deserve it. It just pisses me off when an unproven fighter gets a lot of unknowledable fans behind him who proclaim he's great while they don't acknowledge already proven great fighters just because they're biased against them from the start. So when I cheer against Diaconu, I'm cheering more FOR Dawson (One of my current favorite fighters) and against Diaconu's ignorant fans. I know you look at Diaconu and other fighters realistically, so I'm not talking about fans like you. Also, if Diaconu was fighting some other LHW's like Tarver/Woods/Erdei, I would be cheering for him.

It's a similar thing with Pacquiao. I love to watch him fight and like him as a person, but his fans piss me off so damn much when they overrate him and support him blindly that I can't wait until the day Pac loses.

Shit, that was long, but I'll use this later when I have to explain my dislike for heavily hyped unproven fighters.

[Decebal]

No, I don't speak Moldovan/Romanian, just Russian since I was born in the USSR. I know you're the biggest Bute fan on here, but are you from Romania?

I don't hate Diaconu or anything like that. I like some fighters with wild styles (Mayorga, Hamed, etc.) too, so I don't disike him because of his style of fighting. What I do dislike is people hyping and jumping on a fighter who has been a pro for over 5 years and achieved nothing worth mentioning. I hate when people start talking about Diaconu's great power, which like I said before, is a myth. I also highly doubt that if he manages to hurt Dawson, he will finish him. Dawson's chin IS suspect though so there's a chance he will lose, but it's easily less than 5%.

The funny thing is that I actually liked Diaconu before he started getting hyped all over the internet by annoying boxing fans. There's a large group of people who search for hopeful fighters from eastern europe or just white fighters in general and start hyping them up like crazy even though they've proven and shown nothing. These same people usually ignore fighters who aren't eastern euros/white americans and don't give them credit until they've accomplished a lot. There are also many people on the opposite side who are biased against euro fighters and don't give them credit when they deserve it. It just pisses me off when an unproven fighter gets a lot of unknowledable fans behind him who proclaim he's great while they don't acknowledge already proven great fighters just because they're biased against them from the start. So when I cheer against Diaconu, I'm cheering more FOR Dawson (One of my current favorite fighters) and against Diaconu's ignorant fans. I know you look at Diaconu and other fighters realistically, so I'm not talking about fans like you. Also, if Diaconu was fighting some other LHW's like Tarver/Woods/Erdei, I would be cheering for him.

It's a similar thing with Pacquiao. I love to watch him fight and like him as a person, but his fans piss me off so damn much when they overrate him and support him blindly that I can't wait until the day Pac loses.

Shit, that was long, but I'll use this later when I have to explain my dislike for heavily hyped unproven fighters.

Yes...I was born in Romania. I started taking an interest in Diaconu first of all because he is a mate of Bute, at InterBox. He is also the only other decent Romanian boxer out there, so I keep an eye on him. Thirdly, I like his style of fighting and I think he is improving. I have been a boxing fan only since March, so I know very little about most fighters who are only about as good or just slightly better than Diaconu. There may be many more out there about as good as Diaconu or better - they deserve to be known and appreciated more, so...the people who know more about them should hype them up a bit, giving the likes of Diaconu some competition - Diaconu wouldn't look so hyped anymore, by comparison. I do start threads and post in threads about Diaconu, but that is because I know about him, not because I think he should be extra-hyped!

Anyway, the people who hype Diaconu are: from Montreal - want all their local fighters to do well and find Diaconu exciting/ fans of Bute - intrigued by Diaconu - his team-mate; Romanian fans who are non-hard core boxing fans - support Diaconu because he is Romanian; very few others like andyzOr or David Haye, for example, - think Diaconu is exciting and quite dangerous and expect he might become one of the top fighters in the division. So, there aren't that many hardcore boxing fans, if any, whether Romanian from Montreal or not, who hype Diaconu AND say he is the best ever or hug his nuts, like some Pacquiao fans do, for example...not that you could compare Diaconu to Pacman in terms of quality/fighting ability, of course...

I became a fan of boxing because I read about Bute in the Romanian press. If some Romanians from Montreal become fans of boxing because of Diaconu, I think that is just about OK...even if they overrate him at the moment in an annoying way, being inexperienced and wishing him to do well. Some of them may continue to take an interest in boxing and develop into decent analysts even if Diaconu proved to be a flash in the pan. Those would be a gain for boxing. Screw the rest - they would just piss off as soon as Diaconu loses, anyway!

So...what I am saying is that you should consider being more tolerant of new, excited fans who become interested in boxing because of a certain fighter and giving them some slack for their youthful/ unjustified enthusiasm...they may yet become real fans of boxing, which we desperately need more of. I know how annoying it must be for a very good, objective analyst like you to stomach their "arguments", though...but even you, ethnically Russian, are a big fan of a Russian boxer...you must understand how cheering for a fellow country-man can start you off on the way to becoming a true boxing fan...Also I feel wishing a fighter to be "exposed as a hypejob", if the people who are hyping him mostly don't have a clue, is like ... hoping and cheering for a straw man to be knocked over...:lol:...do you know what I mean, huki?

:good

[huki]

Yes...I was born in Romania. I started taking an interest in Diaconu first of all because he is a mate of Bute, at InterBox. He is also the only other decent Romanian boxer out there, so I keep an eye on him. Thirdly, I like his style of fighting and I think he is improving. I have been a boxing fan only since March, so I know very little about most fighters who are only about as good or just slightly better than Diaconu. There may be many more out there about as good as Diaconu or better - they deserve to be known and appreciated more, so...the people who know more about them should hype them up a bit, giving the likes of Diaconu some competition - Diaconu wouldn't look so hyped anymore, by comparison. I do start threads and post in threads about Diaconu, but that is because I know about him, not because I think he should be extra-hyped!

Anyway, the people who hype Diaconu are: from Montreal - want all their local fighters to do well and find Diaconu exciting/ fans of Bute - intrigued by Diaconu - his team-mate; Romanian fans who are non-hard core boxing fans - support Diaconu because he is Romanian; very few others like andyzOr or David Haye, for example, - think Diaconu is exciting and quite dangerous and expect he might become one of the top fighters in the division. So, there aren't that many hardcore boxing fans, if any, whether Romanian from Montreal or not, who hype Diaconu AND say he is the best ever or hug his nuts, like some Pacquiao fans do, for example...not that you could compare Diaconu to Pacman in terms of quality/fighting ability, of course...

I became a fan of boxing because I read about Bute in the Romanian press. If some Romanians from Montreal become fans of boxing because of Diaconu, I think that is just about OK...even if they overrate him at the moment in an annoying way, being inexperienced and wishing him to do well. Some of them may continue to take an interest in boxing and develop into decent analysts even if Diaconu proved to be a flash in the pan. Those would be a gain for boxing. Screw the rest - they would just piss off as soon as Diaconu loses, anyway!

So...what I am saying is that you should consider being more tolerant of new, excited fans who become interested in boxing because of a certain fighter and giving them some slack for their youthful/ unjustified enthusiasm...they may yet become real fans of boxing, which we desperately need more of. I know how annoying it must be for a very good, objective analyst like you to stomach their "arguments", though...but even you, born in Russia, are a big fan of a Russian boxer...you must understand how cheering for a fellow country-man can start you off on the way to becoming a true boxing fan...Also I feel wishing a fighter to be "exposed as a hypejob", if the people who are hyping him mostly don't have a clue, is like ... hoping and cheering for a straw man to be knocked over...:lol:...do you know what I mean, huki?

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Yes, very good post. :good I don't really think I'm right in thinking the way I do and I don't consider myself to be a true great boxing analyst like a few people on here are (I've only been a hardcore boxing fan for a couple years), that's just how I feel. Also, I understand that it's pretty dumb to start disliking a boxer because you don't want their ignorant fans to be happy. But still, it just pisses me off that there are great fighters out there who get overlooked because they're unable to get a large fanbase or media approval while there are mediocre, unproven fighters who get a lot of recognition for less significant accomplishments.

Shit, I used to be an ignorant fan too, but during the last year or so I really obsessed on knowing the history of every single weight class and I learned a lot. For instance the most recent example.. some Americans that I know that are boxing fans hate Calzaghe and have always discredited him, so I did too for a while (even after Lacy), until I learned about SMW's of the late 90's/early 2000's and watched nearly his entire career. A long time ago, I used to wonder why Roberto Duran is considered so great, but after learning about him/watching his fights I completely understood it.

Your way of looking at ignorant fans as a positive thing because any enthusiastic new boxing fans are good fans is great. I'll still be happy knowing that crazy Diaconu hypers are disappointed when he loses though.:D I of course understand cheering for boxers from my country, but I've never been very annoying with that. From the start, Barrera and Hopkins were my favorite fighters, who got me big into boxing, even though they weren't Russian. I know there are many people who almost never cheer for fighters that aren't from their country or aren't white and even after watching boxing for a while, don't acknowledge them as the great fighters that they are. I guess in the end it doesn't matter though, because more boxing fans, even if they're ignorant as hell, is always a good thing.

To sum it up, I just hate when people/media overhype anybody, ESPECIALLY new fighters, so when a fighter gets too overhyped by his fans and I'm not a huge fan of his, I want the fighter to lose and end all the hype.

About Dawson-Diaconu.. I actually like Diaconu's patient explosive style and killer-like aura, but I think he's greatly overhyped by many people and I hope when Dawson destroys him these people will give him credit, even though he will make it look easy and make Diaconu look C level. After he loses, I would love to see him try to beat Tarver's old ass (the only fighter at LHW I seriously don't like) and then win a championship vs Erdei or somebody other than Dawson.

[Decebal]

It just pisses me off that there are great fighters out there who get overlooked because they're unable to get a large fanbase or media approval while there are mediocre, unproven fighters who get a lot of recognition for less significant accomplishments.

Fair enough! Is it not time for you then to do some hard-core hyping for all the great fighters who deserve more recognition?:hey

I cannot wait to hear of the boxers I should take have a closer look at - very good analists like you, huki, should set the tone on this board, hyping good prospects and pleading the case of those great fighters!:yep

Anyway, back to boxing analysis!:good

[RafaelGonzal]

Short stocky guys with power have to posses the following traits to be get to the next level: tremendous stamina, a steel chin and nonstop punching. Rocky Marciano and Joe Frazier come to mind. Diaconus workrate is poor and Stamina is questionable. These two can be improved, I wonder how his dedication to training is, the running the exercise etc. Guy can punch but he needs to be relentless. Wonder how relentless this guy is in the Gym? doing his roadwork ......looks to me like he would be busier and a bit more cut if that were happening, guy doesnt go to the body either, dont know need to see a bit more of this guy before I can decide. He can punch that it seems but against a stiff even I can look like Dempsey

[Decebal]

Short stocky guys with power have to posses the following traits to be get to the next level: tremendous stamina, a steel chin and nonstop punching. Rocky Marciano and Joe Frazier come to mind. Diaconus workrate is poor and Stamina is questionable. These two can be improved, I wonder how his dedication to training is, the running the exercise etc. Guy can punch but he needs to be relentless. Wonder how relentless this guy is in the Gym? doing his roadwork ......looks to me like he would be busier and a bit more cut if that were happening, guy doesnt go to the body either, dont know need to see a bit more of this guy before I can decide. He can punch that it seems but against a stiff even I can look like Dempsey

I think you make some valid points...:good

[LockDog387]

It's amazing all these fights beign signed, but Dawson can't seem to negotiate a fight. You got Pacquiao ready to fight Marquez, Zab Judah vs Carlos Quitana, Klitschko fighting Ibragimov, and Jermain Taylor ready to face Kelly Pavlik. I mean pretty soon the Hopkins-Calzaghe fight will be official before Dawson chooses an opponent. I don't know why it's taking him this long. Maybe it's because the WBC just orderded Dawson to defend his belt in a certain date, I don't know.

[Jinx]

i've never seen Diaconu fight...Dawson TKO 8!

[Decebal]

i've never seen Diaconu fight...Dawson TKO 8!

How did you decide which round Dawson would beat him in, if you've never seen Diaconu fight?:lol:

[goofy]

Hoye is an absolute nobody. He fights scared and has a very weak chin. Not only did he get stopped by Woods early, he was hurt badly and dropped by Prince Badi Ajamu. :lol: It's ridiculous how much hype Diaconu got for looking impressive against a glass chinned joke without any skill.


He looks clumsy because he IS clumsy and is an unpolished fighter. Just because Diaconu had more amateur fights means nothing. Shit, why am I even arguing with this. Pro experience wise and skills wise, Diaconu can't even stand near Dawson.

Aghhh, I can't wait until this fight happens. If it's in Sacramento again I will definitely be buying tickets, even though everyone I would go with will be cheering for Diaconu, since I'm from Moldova which is right next to Romania. I just can't stand hypejobs like this and I can't wait for Dawson to increase his stock after disposing of him.

I detect in ur post that u feel ur opinion is above others. U may be right but u dont live in USSR anymore. Let other voice their views Huki...This is US ...

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PacDBest, kg0206...please post your official analysis and predictions here!

[tuna]

Here is an update about Diaconu-Dawson negociations. The WBC stated that both promoters have now 30 days to set a deal otherwise they'll go to purse bid on Jan. 7. According to Diaconu's promoter, the odds are pretty good that purse bid will be held.

[Decebal]

Here is an update about Diaconu-Dawson negociations. The WBC stated that both promoters have now 30 days to set a deal otherwise they'll go to purse bid on Jan. 7. According to Diaconu's promoter, the odds are pretty good that purse bid will be held.

Do you have a link, please?

[tuna]

read in the today's newspaper edition of the Journal de Montreal.

[Decebal]

read in the today's newspaper edition of the Journal de Montreal.

I am going to have to subscribe, me thinks!:D

[LockDog387]

The fight shouldn't have never been postponed in the first place, now we have to go through all this again.

[andyZOR]

Here is an update about Diaconu-Dawson negociations. The WBC stated that both promoters have now 30 days to set a deal otherwise they'll go to purse bid on Jan. 7. According to Diaconu's promoter, the odds are pretty good that purse bid will be held.


Thx fpr the update. Just a proposition, if you have a Diaconu update would you mind posting it in my thread? Thx.

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[LockDog387]

Dawson was at attendance in the Tarver-Santiago fight, but he said he MIGHT fight Glen Johnson in April, what's up with that?

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Dawson was at attendance in the Tarver-Santiago fight, but he said he MIGHT fight Glen Johnson in April, what's up with that?


Dawson might fight Diaconu in February, or even in January...before fighting Johnson (??) in April (??). Alternatively, he might drop the belt, ducking Diaconu, fighting whomever he chooses, whenever.

He is allowed to fight a voluntary by the 25th of January and he has to fight mandatory Diaconu by the 25th of April, if I remember correctly.

[LockDog387]

Well I wouldn't say he is ducking Diaconu since Diaconu had his chance, I just think Dawson doesn't want to deal with him anymore. Now there is rumors going on he still wants to fight Tarver, but it's evident that Tarver doesn't want to fight him. I don't know who Dawson wants to fight, but nothing is official yet. If Dawson just gives up his belt, then I think he's ducking Diaconu.

[Decebal]

Well I wouldn't say he is ducking Diaconu since Diaconu had his chance, I just think Dawson doesn't want to deal with him anymore. Now there is rumors going on he still wants to fight Tarver, but it's evident that Tarver doesn't want to fight him. I don't know who Dawson wants to fight, but nothing is official yet. If Dawson just gives up his belt, then I think he's ducking Diaconu.

Indeed. That is a fair appraisal.

[tuna]

Here is the latest quote from Diaconu's promoter read in the Montreal newspaper yesterday:

Dawson wants to fight Tarver next. If so, Diaconu's promoter said that the WBC will drop him his belt then organize a title fight between Diaconu and Sylvio Branco....Interbox will be interested to organize that fight in Romania.

So, the new name in the mix is Branco.

[Decebal]

Here is the latest quote from Diaconu's promoter read in the Montreal newspaper yesterday:

Dawson wants to fight Tarver next. If so, Diaconu's promoter said that the WBC will drop him his belt then organize a title fight between Diaconu and Sylvio Branco....Interbox will be interested to organize that fight in Romania.

So, the new name in the mix is Branco.

Diaconu would murder Silvio Branco with a massive, bloody KO!

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I hope Dawson DOES NOT decide not to fight Diaconu. If he does it, there will always be a stain on his reputation and legacy. Screw those have-been NAMES - Dawson needs to fight a live, prime, hungry dangerman, like Diaconu. :-(

[LockDog387]

Taken from 15 rounds of boxing [Only registered and activated users can see links]


Speaking personally, when Tarver faces a Chad Dawson, win or lose, I’ll begin to have more respect for him.
For now, Tarver is saying that he’d like to fight super middleweight Jeff Lacy next. But there are two potential obstacles there. First and foremost, I’m not sure that Lacy can get by Peter Manfredo Jr. on Saturday at this point. Secondly, Lacy was quoted by the St. Petersburg Times that he would not fight Tarver as long as he was promoted by Shaw, who has a two-fight deal with Tarver.
Lacy, now with Golden Boy Promotions, was formerly promoted by Shaw until an acrimonious breakup last year, and is not under contract for that April 12 date, so we’re looking at a possible problem there.
Dawson, tentatively, is to fight Glen Johnson on that same card, assuming he beats his mandatory challenger Adrian Diaconu by the end of January.



So it looks like there was never a deal between Lacy and Shaw to fight Tarver in April 12. It also says Dawson has to beat Diaconu first before he faces Johnson in April or May.

[Decebal]

Taken from 15 rounds of boxing [Only registered and activated users can see links]



So it looks like there was never a deal between Lacy and Shaw to fight Tarver in April 12. It also says Dawson has to beat Diaconu first before he faces Johnson in April or May.

These are all suppositions...not facts...anyone can write an article like this one...we are still wating for developments...

[LockDog387]

Lacy never having a contract to fight Tarver in April is most likely true. Lacy is with Golden Boy now, he can tell Oscar to put Shaw aside and Oscar will do that. And since Tarver has a two-fight deal with Shaw this ruins there whole plans, and I doubt the Dawson-Johnson fight is official. I just hope Dawson and Shaw will want to negoitate with Interbox.

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[flem1]

I still think Dawson will pick Diaconu apart. He will outbox him and use his fast footwork and head movement to negate Adrian's attacks.

Dawson by TKO rd 7

[Chileno606]

Dawson by Destruction

[LockDog387]

I still think Dawson will pick Diaconu apart. He will outbox him and use his fast footwork and head movement to negate Adrian's attacks.

Dawson by TKO rd 7

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[ralphc]

I still think Dawson will pick Diaconu apart. He will outbox him and use his fast footwork and head movement to negate Adrian's attacks.

Dawson by TKO rd 7

.....then knock him out.

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[Paulie]

Easy call...Diaconu by K.O.

[KOTF]

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