No thread on Sturm?

[Flurry]

as far as i can see at least.

Sure, the opponent wasnt top notch, but he dominated him from start to finish, didnt he?

It looked close to a shut out to me, the 116-112 verdict of that belgian judge was a joke, maybe alcoba nicked a round and earned a share of another.

Sturm is no puncher, we knew that before, otherwise hed have finished him off, he had him on rubber legs a few times. But he again displayed a brilliant jab, superb reflexes, nice left hook thrown in a counter, even the occasional upper cut and right cross. Thats just one marvelous technical fighter.

And I do know you re only as good as your opponent allows you to. Alcoba was game, kept coming on even when he got toyed with, he showed to have a fairly good stamina but admittedly no defence

[Odo]

as far as i can see at least.

Sure, the opponent wasnt top notch, but he dominated him from start to finish, didnt he?

It looked close to a shut out to me, the 116-112 verdict of that belgian judge was a joke, maybe alcoba nicked a round and earned a share of another.

Sturm is no puncher, we knew that before, otherwise hed have finished him off, he had him on rubber legs a few times. But he again displayed a brilliant jab, superb reflexes, nice left hook thrown in a counter, even the occasional upper cut and right cross. Thats just one marvelous technical fighter.

And I do know you re only as good as your opponent allows you to. Alcoba was game, kept coming on even when he got toyed with, he showed to have a fairly good stamina but admittedly no defence

Sturm showed an impressive performance against an opponent who was tailor made for him.Of course you can always find a fly in the ointment and kill your wife ,but apart from a certain lack of aggressiveness he showed a more or less flawless performance against that black Uruguayan.
By the way Alcola showed a tiger't heart in yesterday's fight against Sturm.Props to him for trying to win the title!
You are right,merry! 116-112 was a ridiculous scorecard.The Belgian ref must have watched a different fight!

[Tom_Tocca]

The fight was absolutely not neccessary - poor matchmaking...

my thoughts: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[Flurry]

Sturm showed an impressive performance against an opponent who was tailor made for him.Of course you can always find a fly in the ointment and kill your wife ,but apart from a certain lack of aggressiveness he showed a more or less flawless performance against that black Uruguayan.
By the way Alcola showed a tiger't heart in yesterday's fight against Sturm.Props to him for trying to win the title!
You are right,merry! 116-112 was a ridiculous scorecard.The Belgian ref must have watched a different fight!

He did, didnt he? You alwaas get that sort of attitude with south american fighters, they keep coming until the end, either you knock them out or else they make you work hard for the win until the final bell. Its a pride thing I believe

He was technically very limited, thats true

[Flurry]

The fight was absolutely not neccessary - poor matchmaking...

my thoughts: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

He wanted to stay active I believe thats why he took the fight and apart will have a mandatory ahead in late summer or early autumn I believe - nothing wrong with that in my eyes.

[Tom_Tocca]

He wanted to stay active I believe thats why he took the fight and apart will have a mandatory ahead in late summer or early autumn I believe - nothing wrong with that in my eyes.

Bt still Alcoba didn't deserve this bout...

Griffin - Sturm should be even money...

[Flurry]

Bt still Alcoba didn't deserve this bout...

Griffin - Sturm should be even money...

He probably didnt, but did taylor deserve a shot at Abrams? He had already been annihilated by Mosley years earlier and 2 weight classes below. Or that argie guy who got ko ed by Wlad with one left hook inside the first 100 seconds of their fight in Munich? Or DM defending his title in danzig against a guy who had been inactive for years then fought a handful of no hopers a few divisions above his original division to get a shot at DM? Or Roy JOnes fighting a part time boxer who was employed with the NYPD? All Im saying is this sort of thing happens all the time. Im not objecting to a figher taking an easy tune up in between as long as he delivers the goods in a demanding fight against a worthy foe next time.

[NBT]

This joke of a title fight doesn't deserve any attention let alone an own thread.

[Tom_Tocca]

This joke of a title fight doesn't deserve any attention let alone an own thread.

Thanks for chiming in NBT...

[sean]

my main problem with alcoma , is that he was so slow of hand i am still waiting for a punch he threw last night to get there this morning.

if he was my postman i would complain.

if sturm had stood his ground and teed of with combo`s he could have ended this early because while alcoma did move his head , his arms were by his side , in a hybrid american tecnique that he had neither the talent or power to adopt,

still he was game, kept coming forward and trying to land.

sturm could have kept his distance more by opening up and putting more authority into his punches , but with sturm you know what you are going to get beforehand and that is a tight guard and a technical fight.

since sturm only just beat castelljo what seemed just a few weeks ago to me , (time flies as you get older ) this was obviously a stay busy fight and onto the next one.

to be honest i wish a load of my favourite fighters would do this just so we see them more than there 1 possibly 2 outings a year.

[Jens S]

The match-up was a disgrace to boxing. No, it was not ok for staying active between mandatories. Alcoba was nowhere near top50 and probably not in the top100.

It is ok for a champion to take an easier fight sometimes and fight an opponent that is 20-30 in the world, but not any lower than that. 30 is in itself critical. The real problem is when hardcore fans start to accept these match-ups. Because the limits are stretched a bit every time, and we shouldn't settle for this kind of crap. Remember when they wanted Peter Mitrevski Jr. for a fight against Beyer? They tried to push the limits. Luckily for once german tv said no.

Why should a champion be allowed to fight unworthy opponents? If we accept such a fight as an acceptable matching, the sport will die. Because there is no need for the promotors to make better match-ups, if we accept them. And in the end people will start screaming for Hall of Fame status because of the numbers of defenses, not looking at the opponents. Take a look at Sven Ottkes record. I have heard some argue that he should be in HOF, because he defended his title 21 times. But who did he fight? Match-ups with fighters like Nardiello, Hernandez, Bryan, Pudwill, Crawford and Gatti were not easy fights. They were disgracefull fights. Beyer-Colajanni? The italian barely made the EBU-rankings. Nishizawa getting two title shots???

It was 100 percent ok, when Ottke fought fighters like Reid, Branco or Markussen. Not top10 fighters, but solid fighters who could fight. Those are acceptable stay active/make money fights.

When you muck about padded records of fighters, just remember that they do it for exactly this reason: to get a good payday or a world titleshot. And they get it because of uncritical fans just accpeting the numbers: "uhhh, 14-0. He must be good" or "It is ok for an in between fight".

Most of the times the fans in Eastsides foras are in the trenches defending their own fighters. That is a shame. When matchmakers shit in your face, don't say "Thank you"!

Jens

[matt_maxx]

This joke of a title fight doesn't deserve any attention let alone an own thread.

That sums it up pretty well!

[Odo]

The match-up was a disgrace to boxing. No, it was not ok for staying active between mandatories. Alcoba was nowhere near top50 and probably not in the top100.

It is ok for a champion to take an easier fight sometimes and fight an opponent that is 20-30 in the world, but not any lower than that. 30 is in itself critical. The real problem is when hardcore fans start to accept these match-ups. Because the limits are stretched a bit every time, and we shouldn't settle for this kind of crap. Remember when they wanted Peter Mitrevski Jr. for a fight against Beyer? They tried to push the limits. Luckily for once german tv said no.

Why should a champion be allowed to fight unworthy opponents? If we accept such a fight as an acceptable matching, the sport will die. Because there is no need for the promotors to make better match-ups, if we accept them. And in the end people will start screaming for Hall of Fame status because of the numbers of defenses, not looking at the opponents. Take a look at Sven Ottkes record. I have heard some argue that he should be in HOF, because he defended his title 21 times. But who did he fight? Match-ups with fighters like Nardiello, Hernandez, Bryan, Pudwill, Crawford and Gatti were not easy fights. They were disgracefull fights. Beyer-Colajanni? The italian barely made the EBU-rankings. Nishizawa getting two title shots???

It was 100 percent ok, when Ottke fought fighters like Reid, Branco or Markussen. Not top10 fighters, but solid fighters who could fight. Those are acceptable stay active/make money fights.

When you muck about padded records of fighters, just remember that they do it for exactly this reason: to get a good payday or a world titleshot. And they get it because of uncritical fans just accpeting the numbers: "uhhh, 14-0. He must be good" or "It is ok for an in between fight".

Most of the times the fans in Eastsides foras are in the trenches defending their own fighters. That is a shame. When matchmakers shit in your face, don't say "Thank you"!

Jens

You made some good points,jen!

Interesting post! You can find a lot of thruth in it!

By the way I for my part also call it a shame that German tv showed a women's fight instead of Bidenko vs Hersisia.Two clumsy and totally cluessless women were trying to imitate real male fighters going at each other.What a disgrace!

According to the news Bidenko vs Herisia was a very close and very entertaining fight.I guess that almost every fight fan would have prefered watching this heavy weight clash to that women's fight.

[Odo]

Here are all results of yesterday's fight card:


WBA World Championship Middleweight (12 Rounds)
Felix Sturm (GER) vs. Neo Tulio Gonzalez Alcoba (URG)
W PTS; 120:108, 118:110, 116:112

WIBF World Championship Jr. Flyweight (10 Rounds)
Julia Sahin (GER) vs. Hollie Dunaway (USA)
W PTS; 94:96, 96:94, 97:94

GBU World Championship Jr. Bantamweight (10 Rounds)
Alesia Graf (BLR) vs. Natascha Guthier (GER)
W TKO, Rd. 3, 1’03

WBC International Championship Super Middleweight (12 Rounds)
Denis Inkin (RUS) vs. Jozsef Nagy (HUN)
W TKO, Rd. 5, 2`08

WBC Intercontinental Championship Heavyweight (12 Rounds)
Taras Bidenko (UKR) vs. Richel Hersisia (NED)
W PTS; 115:113, 117:111, 115:113

Welterweight (8 Rounds)
Maurice Weber (GER) vs. Gotthard Hinteregger (AUT)
W PTS: 80:72, 80:72, 80:72

Jr. Welterweight (8 Rounds)
Marcos Rene Maidana (ARG) vs. Laszlo Komjathi (HUN)
W TKO, Rd. 3, 0’37

Jr. Bantamweight (4 Rounds)
Magdalena Dahlen (GER) vs. Albena Atseva (BUL)
W TKO; Rd. 3, 1’42

[unitas]

This joke of a title fight doesn't deserve any attention let alone an own thread.

:good:good:good:good:good:good:good:good

[VHB]

WBA has really lost it´s meaning. Imagine if Owen Beck had surprised the very limited Valuev and become a world champion. :lol:

Even Sebastian Sylvester has a fair chance of coming a WBA World Champion. He fights like Sturm but picks his shots well and moves forward and isn´t afraid of trading. Hell, he would already be it if it wasn´t for Asikainen.

[Flurry]

This joke of a title fight doesn't deserve any attention let alone an own thread.

:lol: I disagree

at any rate here we have a thread and its got to the 2nd page already :deal Thanks for contributing, lads

THis opponent was no worse than loads of other title challengers had been before. Sturm took a fight in between to stay active. Nothing wrong with that

[Raggamuffin]

Did you notice that Sturm didn't use more then a 2 punch combo up untill the 9th ? I thought it was a teribble performance by him
Can't blame Alcoba, the guy had only 14 fights.
Sturm should have taken him out. I wasn't impressed with him.
Agreed, his punches were ok and on the money but heis workrate is awfull

[Artani]

Sturm was do good think and good job, he want stayed active and will look better opponent for future. He lost match with Castillejo because his mother died two week before the fight and he dident been concetrate. He is the best technicell middleweight fighter today. Lets see with Abraham, Tylor, Pavlik, Miranda and the others. The middleweight division have today the best competicion fighters. Everybody can beat the others, for the moment dont have favorite, maybe Tylor is little bit better.

[Flurry]

Right, he didnt open up until later in the fight, I suppose cos he didnt want to run the risk of getting caught flush. He was keen to avoid trading with the guy, thats what the other was waiting for I guess.The guest fighter kept the pressure on him all night didnt he and Sturm let him punch out on his gloves before retaliating with neat and accurate shots.

He would have taken him out if he were a puncher, which he is not.

I fail to see why this wasnt a convincing showing by Sturm, for me he won all rounds maybe bar one. You lot seem awefully sportforen infected, I agree that the opponent wasnt top notch but that has happened so often in the careers of title holders its almost pointless to mention. Had he not taken the fight he d have been inactive till September/early October when he s scheduled to face griffin.

[Raggamuffin]

I believe that if he wanted to make a impression on the world he had to do much better then this. Credits to him being active but let him make a statement then
I don't see him being champ for much longer

[Flurry]

You never pick a guy like Alcoba to make an impression on the world, He s not good or renowned enough for that. Because had he indeed knocked him out early people would have bitched about his comp lacking class even more, they d have called Alcoba a bum with no chin while in this case with things as they are you cant take away from him he showed grit and guts and taking abilities till the end.

People read more into this than there is.

[Leifhackman]

After Castillejo fight I thought Sturm tried to be smart and just avoid to get beaten up. Now I think the guy simply doesn't even want to try to fight no matter how helpless punch bag comes from the other corner! This kind of mach making gives bad taste a bad name. To me it really looked like Sturm either felt sorry for Acoba OR was instructed to let it go full distance not to make the audience mad. I mean... it's like if in the Olympics 100 m finalists would walk!!! Or how would it look: "Olympic gold medal in 100 m with the time 30,6 sec."

Another fight after which both fighters should be sent home without any kind of title! Just trying to think which one was more ridiculous performance by Sturm; this one or the one against Castillejo. Neither of them made him look like a champion.

[Odo]

Right, he didnt open up until later in the fight, I suppose cos he didnt want to run the risk of getting caught flush. He was keen to avoid trading with the guy, thats what the other was waiting for I guess.The guest fighter kept the pressure on him all night didnt he and Sturm let him punch out on his gloves before retaliating with neat and accurate shots.

He would have taken him out if he were a puncher, which he is not.

I fail to see why this wasnt a convincing showing by Sturm, for me he won all rounds maybe bar one. You lot seem awefully sportforen infected, I agree that the opponent wasnt top notch but that has happened so often in the careers of title holders its almost pointless to mention. Had he not taken the fight he d have been inactive till September/early October when he s scheduled to face griffin.

Good post,merry! I am certainly still not sold on Sturm,but I dont hesitate to admit that he showed an almost flawless performance against a limited but game opponent.Sturm is no puncher,and why should he take an unneccassry risk !
Sturm vs Alcola was fun to watch IMO.No truly outstandingly entertaining fight or a real thriller,but fun to watch.I guess that every real box aficionado can appreciate Sturm's performance against Alcola.

[NBT]

THis opponent was no worse than loads of other title challengers had been before. Sturm took a fight in between to stay active. Nothing wrong with that
:-( Don't even start with this crap. Because other guys do this shit he has to do the same? :patsch Even if he constantly talks trash about the top guys and how he wants to fight them?

I mean Sturm is a paper "champ" of the worst kind but let's play the game: If you want to stay active, take on the best available opponent, not the worst. If the WBA rules would allow the "champ" to defend against the #100 of their ranking Sturm would have fought the #100 last Saturday.

[Flurry]

:-( Don't even start with this crap. Because other guys do this shit he has to do the same? :patsch Even if he constantly talks trash about the top guys and how he wants to fight them?

I mean Sturm is a paper "champ" of the worst kind but let's play the game: If you want to stay active, take on the best available opponent, not the worst. If the WBA rules would allow the "champ" to defend against the #100 of their ranking Sturm would have fought the #100 last Saturday.

Imo rubbish, with a mandatory in sight within a mere 2 months from now you do not take on the best out there. Quite apart from the fact that Kohl´s the one responsible for picking an opponent and not Sturm, but even so I fail to see why he should take a risk with a more demanding fight very close at hand.

The main point where we disagree - I presume - may not even be the question whether or not the opponent was that worthy of a shot, I already said he wasnt and added lots of others before hadnt either so I dont understand the fuss, but rather your comment it wasnt worth starting a thread about it. IMo thats where you are wrong, whether you like or dislike the matchmaking, this was prime time boxing televized to several millions with a world title at stake in front of several thousands in a packed arena. Thats enough reasons to report about it even if you personally question the quality of the opponent or opt to critisize the matchmaking, but there has to be a thread about it, imo.

I fail to see why he should be a paper champ, he beat DLH by all accounts and holds wins over cherifi, schenk, castillejo, masoe, fernandez (who beat konecny though it was a disputed decision) verlasco on his title debut amongst others. You simply vehemently dislike him, which you re entitled to, no big deal, but thats not where I come from. I ll keep reporting about him, at any rate :good

[Flurry]

Good post,merry! I am certainly still not sold on Sturm,but I dont hesitate to admit that he showed an almost flawless performance against a limited but game opponent.Sturm is no puncher,and why should he take an unneccassry risk !
Sturm vs Alcola was fun to watch IMO.No truly outstandingly entertaining fight or a real thriller,but fun to watch.I guess that every real box aficionado can appreciate Sturm's performance against Alcola.

Thanks for saying that Odo.

At times he reminded me just a bit of Trabant in this very fight, one of my fav German fighters of the past, though he (trabant in this case :D ) was no true world beater, but what a warrior he was and he did provide us with thrilling encounters. Well Sturm of course fought a more clever fight than Trabant would have had he been in his shoes, but his anticipating the opponent´s move and beating him to the punch, accuracy coupled with speed was something I enjoyed a lot. Its been said he has to upp his level when he faces a more demanding opponent next time round.

What can you tell me about Griffin, I do not follow Yank boxing much these days for lack of time, whats his style like, all I can go by is his rec on boxrec.

[Flurry]

my main problem with alcoma , is that he was so slow of hand i am still waiting for a punch he threw last night to get there this morning.

if he was my postman i would complain.



:think :rofl :rofl

[Leifhackman]

Imo rubbish, with a mandatory in sight within a mere 2 months from now you do not take on the best out there. Quite apart from the fact that Kohl´s the one responsible for picking an opponent and not Sturm, but even so I fail to see why he should take a risk with a more demanding fight very close at hand.


I think we should talk about the term "Championship fight" here. Mandatory or not, championship fight should be between fighters where the both of them can be with good reasoning considered serious candidates to win the championship. The word "Champion" in my opinion has a value that suggests that the person is the best of them all. That kind of person shouldn't have to pick and choose who he has guts to face in the ring. A real champion fights anybody as long as he is given sufficient time to prepare for the fight and period.

In this case the challenger did not have a slightest chance, maybe a lucky punch, in my opinion not even that.

This of course is wasn not Sturms fault when we look at it. Of course as long as such thing as voluntary defence exists the champ can choose his opponent for such event as long as the opponent qualifies for that kind of fight on behalf of WBA. I would target my criticizm towards WBA here. I can not help getting the impression that Venezuela/Panama based organization wanted to bring up "their own boy", in this case South American champion.

Knowing how things in general work and are handled in South American countries (I have family in Venezuela and I've seen a bit of how things are done there) I am not surprised that a guy like Alcoba first of all is South American champion and also gets to step in World Championship fight.

Frankly, considering this I see the whole WBA in new light, but that's a matter of another conversation.

[Flurry]

I think we should talk about the term "Championship fight" here. Mandatory or not, championship fight should be between fighters where the both of them can be with good reasoning considered serious candidates to win the championship. The word "Champion" in my opinion has a value that suggests that the person is the best of them all. That kind of person shouldn't have to pick and choose who he has guts to face in the ring. A real champion fights anybody as long as he is given sufficient time to prepare for the fight and period.

In this case the challenger did not have a slightest chance, maybe a lucky punch, in my opinion not even that.

This of course is wasn not Sturms fault when we look at it. Of course as long as such thing as voluntary defence exists the champ can choose his opponent for such event as long as the opponent qualifies for that kind of fight on behalf of WBA. I would target my criticizm towards WBA here. I can not help getting the impression that Venezuela/Panama based organization wanted to bring up "their own boy", in this case South American champion.

Knowing how things in general work and are handled in South American countries (I have family in Venezuela and I've seen a bit of how things are done there) I am not surprised that a guy like Alcoba first of all is South American champion and also gets to step in World Championship fight.

Frankly, considering this I see the whole WBA in new light, but that's a matter of another conversation.

Good post, true, but what can you do, you re touching the issue "is this still a sport or merely a business and how much credibility do the abc bodies still have"

The term "world championship" Imo has been devalued a long time ago by the various abc bodies, just think of the fact there s more than just one fighter per weightclass at the same time, all of them claiming to be the world champ, which in itself is a contradiction of the term "world champion", they re all merely WBA, IBF etc Champs, depending on what belt they have, but no true world champs except if they manage to unify belts. Im not taking any babbling about world champ honours seriously, exceptions excluded.

Its known the whole thing is run by business interests, so I dont really complain. The "Who gets catapulted up the rating´s ladder to get a shot", "who gets sidelined by the powers that be cos he doesnt want to sign over options to the promoter or wants to get paid more money than the promoter is prepared to pay, so in effect hes´too awkward to get contracted and therefore may not get a shot at a title despite deserving one, while others do get a shot despite beating no one worth mentioning".

The wba probably already lost much of its former credibility when they installed the "regular champ/super chmap nonsense" in order to be able to cash in on sanctioning fees twice each weightclass. the other bodies are no better in my eyes.

But thats plowing old ground, really, boxing simply is no welfare organization, so lets not delve further into this issue, I take it just the way it is.

Sturm´s opponent was no world title material but then thats been the case with other holders very often in the past, its ridiculous attempting to play the moral priest now and bash Sturm for it, and pretend we re all so shocked and revolted he took him on. Its a personal preference thing, you dislike him? then you ll bash him for the match (and vice versa :D ). However this may be, I m sure he´ll get more credit in case he beats griffin

[NBT]

Imo rubbish, with a mandatory in sight within a mere 2 months from now you do not take on the best out there.
That's much more rubbish. If you want to make easy money beating a non-deserving guy, don't call it a title fight. If he wants to stay busy, why didn't he fight his mandatory instead? Why does he want to delay his mandatory now? :think

added lots of others before hadnt either so I dont understand the fuss
Right... Other guys did kill some people before so why shouldn't I do it? I don't understand the fuss. :dead

this was prime time boxing televized to several millions with a world title at stake in front of several thousands in a packed arena.
Sad, isn't it? Other fighters and other fights don't get the attention and recognition they deserve but this abortion of a "title fight" does.

I fail to see why he should be a paper champ
That's easy, because he is. :hi:
There can only be one World Champion, that is the meaning of the word. It's one thing to call yourself "World Champion" if there is no champ in the division (but even then the title holder are paper champs) but the Middleweight devision has a true and undisputed World Champion.

[Flurry]

That's much more rubbish. If you want to make easy money beating a non-deserving guy, don't call it a title fight. If he wants to stay busy, why didn't he fight his mandatory instead? Why does he want to delay his mandatory now? :think



It was called a world title fight cos Sturm holds a title. How would I know why the mandatory was set for summer, I wasnt there when they negotiated the deal and you werent either, he only just regained his title against cadstillejo didnt he? He´s got a mandatory at hand and has slipped in a voluntary defense. Common stuff in the box biz and nothing to argue about. Do you think all title fights had to be mandatories?

I suppose Kohl who by contract has to deliver so and so many title fights according to his TV contract (as is often the case with TV deals) felt obliged to stage this one. Ask him.


Right... Other guys did kill some people before so why shouldn't I do it? I don't understand the fuss. :dead

Cry me a river. Who got killed where and when :D


Sad, isn't it? Other fighters and other fights don't get the attention and recognition they deserve but this abortion of a "title fight" does.

Where have you been all these years, Moral priest? Thats the first time you watched a fight in which you felt one of the fighters shouldnt have been in there? And you re twisting around the more substantial issue why a fight that featured a world title holder defending his title (even if you didnt approve of the challenger) shouldnt be talked about, now you re saying it shouldnt even have been televised. If according to your logic only the very best of each division fighting the respectively second best should be called a title fight, be talked about and get televised this sport wouldnt exist. we d have maybe 4 televized bouts per year. maybe swap to Chess instead mate



That's easy, because he is. :hi:
There can only be one World Champion, that is the meaning of the word. It's one thing to call yourself "World Champion" if there is no champ in the division (but even then the title holder are paper champs) but the Middleweight devision has a true and undisputed World Champion.



Right, if you had said only those guys that have unified their divisions can rightly be called world title holders I might have gone along with you (see my reply to the viking poster on the 2nd page). People with knowledge can tell the difference, its semantics, we have "world body title holders" that for publicity reasons are called world title holders, again thats the biz, you could complain this very case we re discussing and maybe 30 additional title defenses all around the world each year. Sturm is a deserving champ, its semantics ranting on about the validity of the term "world" in his title. Following your logic only fights that featured current holders unifiying the division could rightly be called world title fights, in that cae neither this defense Sturm just made nor his upcoming bout against griffin were a world title bout as Griffin holds no title. All of Abrams title defenses were no world title bouts as Abrams to date has never unified. And none of these should be televized then? Illusionary. mate, boxing is a crucked biz but dont tell me you needed me to remind you of it.

[Odo]

Interesting exchange of opinions,guys!Glad that you are back ,merry!

As for your,nbt, a lot ot thruth can be found in your posts,and up to a certain agree I quite agree with you.However,to tell the truth,money is the name of this game,and I for my part have lost my faith long over the years.
The goal of any fighter is to make as much money as possible in as short a time as possible.Pro boxing is a very dangerous sport.I for sure dont like matches like Sturm vs Alcoba,or Erdei vs Blades,but I can understand both champs to take on easy opponents in order to earn easy money.
To be the owner of a title means that you can call the shots.Mismatches,ridiculous title defences,and so on are part of the pro game.
Pro boxing and fairness are two words which dont cross their ways very often.
I very often get angry when I see that the markebility of a fighter is quite frequently more important than his real skills.
Anyway! That is the way this game is played out there on this planet.We have to stick to the rules.

[NBT]

It was called a world title fight cos Sturm holds a title.
I beg you pardon, a paper title. :yep

Do you think all title fights had to be mandatories?
No, but I think all title fights should be between a legit champion and a deserving challenger. This fight lacked both.

I suppose Kohl who by contract has to deliver so and so many title fights according to his TV contract
Then you're wrong, he is only obliged to stage a certain number of events per year, theres nothing about "title fights" in the TV contract because, of course, you can't guarantee them.

Who got killed where and when
The credibility of boxing as a sport got killed. :hey

If according to your logic only the very best of each division fighting the respectively second best should be called a title fight,
Nope, as I stated before, a title fight is a fight between the champ (which Sturm obviously isn't) and a deserving challenger, or between two deserving challengers if the title is vacant.

Sturm is a deserving champ, its semantics ranting on about the validity of the term "world" in his title.
There is nothing deserving about him, he got three paper belts because of the power of his promoter only. How exactly did he deserve the rematch against Castillejo? What had he done to deserve a title since he got knocked out?

[Flurry]

hehehe, back to basics here again it seems :deal

Its just as I stated before, you got a problem with Sturm and all your ranting on about "true" world champs and how badly the game in itself was run and the cruel injustices of this world was but a pretext to waste my precious time :yep

Now, funnily enough we got 3 full and highly interesting pages about the world title holder Sturm and his most recent title defense. Hey, thats quite something and I have to thank you for your valuable contribution, if it hadnt been for you we would have stopped after the 7th reply, I fear.

As to Kohl´s TV contract, Im pretty sure he had to guarantee a certain number of title bouts per year and in case he failed to fulfill his obligation would get his revenues reduced, but I cant be arsed to google for it and dig up the article where I read it .

Good input nbt, see you on my next Sturm thread :hi:

[NBT]

Now, funnily enough we got 3 full and highly interesting pages about the world title holder Sturm and his most recent title defense. Hey, thats quite something and I have to thank you for your valuable contribution, if it hadnt been for you we would have stopped after the 7th reply, I fear.
Well but I didn't say a word about the actual fight (I didn't bother to watch it) but if you want to hear what a joke this fight was over and over again I'm always happy to help you out. :hi:

[Flurry]

Well but I didn't say a word about the actual fight (I didn't bother to watch it) but if you want to hear what a joke this fight was over and over again I'm always happy to help you out. :hi:

No matter you didnt comment on the actual fight, cos I did. Apart, bad press is better than no press at all :good besides, if you didnt even bother watching the fight that makes it even more uncomprehensible you felt entitled to comment on alcoma :think Simply judging by his rec then I suppose. He was better than his previous opponents would have suggested he might be. He was a game guy coming in to win at least, the way most south american fighters are.

But no hard feelings nbt, all is well. Honestly, thanks for contributing :good

[ChuckYoungblood]

my main problem with alcoma , is that he was so slow of hand i am still waiting for a punch he threw last night to get there this morning.

if he was my postman i would complain.

:rofl:rofl lol

[Odo]

By the way ,merry,what do you think about Abraham's next opponent Gevor? He plays in a different league than Alcola ,doesnt he! How long would Alcola have last against Abraham,merry? 2 rounds,3 rounds? I know that this isnt that fair as Sturm has a totally different style,and is no ko puncher,but all the same I am quite interested in your reply to aforementioned questions,merry! Will you attend Universum's next box event in Hamburg,merry? I know that you are not that keen on watching Krasniqui,but I guess that the arena wont be sold out and tickets shouldnt be that expensive for that particular fight event.

[Flurry]

By the way ,merry,what do you think about Abraham's next opponent Gevor? He plays in a different league than Alcola ,doesnt he! How long would Alcola have last against Abraham,merry? 2 rounds,3 rounds? I know that this isnt that fair as Sturm has a totally different style,and is no ko puncher,but all the same I am quite interested in your reply to aforementioned questions,merry! Will you attend Universum's next box event in Hamburg,merry? I know that you are not that keen on watching Krasniqui,but I guess that the arena wont be sold out and tickets shouldnt be that expensive for that particular fight event.

I think Abrams would have ko ed the uruguayan, the guestfighter´s come forward style would have suited the smurf warrior, imo.

Im not going to attend the krasniqi show, odo, cos the card doesnt look appealing enough to me.

[Odo]

Well, main difference between Alcola und Ghoren, the armenian is mandatory. AA´s non-mandatory title defences weren´t that spectacular either ;)

You are wrong,tobkhan!

The "main difference" between Alcola and Gevor is that Alcola is an unknown uruguayan with a laughable fight record and Gevor a warrior with a proven track record.
I am fairly sure that Gevor will give hell to his famous Armenian compatriot Abraham.Props to Alcola for his try to take Sturm's belt back hom to Uruguay,but he just doesnt play in Khoren Gevor ' s league.

[Odo]

You didn´t really get my point. I say AA would never take on somebody dangerous like Ghevor in a non-mandatory bout, same with Sturm.

I dont know,tobkhan.

Gevor would be a good choice for a voluntary defence,too.
He is Armenian,has a decent fight record,is fun to watch,and as Abraham takes much delight in his God like status at home in Armenia who else would be better suited to make him a living legend than his compatriot Gevor.
This fight is big at home.I guess that none of Artur's previous fights has got as much attention as this fight will get in Armenia.
And of couse Gevor is the underdog against Abraham-I dont think that there are many people out there you really think that Gevor can upset Abraham.
I dont think so either,but this fight wont be a walk in the park for the champ.

[Odo]

Simple, too dangerous for his promoter.
Imo this fight is close to 50/50 bcause Ghevor has a high workrate and the to beat Abraham you just need a good chin or defence, a high workrate and good stamina. AA can easily be outworked because he just fights in spurts.

I agree with you inasmuch as Gevor will make the water quite hot for Abraham,much hotter than a lot of people think he woud be able to do.
All the same I will bet my money on Abraham by either late stoppage or a point victory similar to the one Abraham scored against Kofi Jantuah.