Calzaghe Names Bernard "Mary Hopkins"

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Unified Super-Middleweight king Joe Calzaghe has re-named Bernard Hopkins as Mary Hopkins* after the American's latest attempt to back out of a showdown. Hopkins trainer Nazim Richardson said that his man should meet the winner out of boxing dinosaurs Roy Jones Jnr and Felix Trinidad rather the face the hard-hitting undefeated Welshman.

Calzaghe, who previously said that Hopkins would do his best to talk his way out of a fight against him, has likened Hopkins to Mary Poppins from the 1962 classic movie: He said, 'As of now Bernard Hopkins should be called Mary Hopkins. Every time he says my name it's: SUPERCALZAGHE FRAGILISTIC EXPIALIDOCIOUS!'

'In fact, there is more fight in Mary Poppins than Hopkins. I'd have more respect for him if he just came out and said: "Joe, look, if I fight you I'm going to get my ass seriously beat.. I accept that you are the best so why don't you just let me be and allow me to fight the winner of these old guys so I can just have an easy pay day" but instead, he's got his trainer to basically say: "Thanks, but no thanks, Bernard doesn't need to tangle with a dangerous young guy like you."

Referring to 2002 when Hopkins agreed to fight Calzaghe for $3 million only to come back the next day and demand $6m, Calzaghe said: 'If he is the legend that he says he is then fight me, otherwise be known as the guy who twice chickened out of fighting Joe Calzaghe.'

'At least Mary Poppins took a Spoonful of Sugar to help the medicine go down, Hopkins won't get that luxury against me!'

*Not to be confused with the Welsh folk singer of the same name who recorded the classic You've Had Your Day (My Friend). Sorry, correction, Those Were The Days (My Friend) which will be used on another press release!

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Calzaghe named Bernard---Mary Hopkins.:lol:



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[Danny Ocean]

calzaghe is a prick

[BewareofDawg]

Why is Calzaghe calling out a 43yr old?

Why is Hopkins fucking around, and not giving him the fight?

They are both acting like idiots actually.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Why is Calzaghe calling out a 43yr old?

Why is Hopkins fucking around, and not giving him the fight?

They are both acting like idiots actually.

hopkins called out joe after the winky fight, hopkins has it coming to him.

[jaycuban]

Hopkins is a way better fighter than Calzague, he beat Trinidad, De La Hoya, Winky Wright, and close with Jermain Taylor.. what need does he have of fighting Calzague at 43 years old ? who has calzague beat ?..... Jeff Lacy ? get outta here.

[BewareofDawg]

Hopkins is an idiot. He need to either defend his belt, or hand it to Joe in a televised Ceremony. Either way, he needs to man the fuck up.
What up Jack :D

I actually agree, he's coming off pretty bad in the public eye here. He has put himself in a bad position and kinda needs to fight Joe to save face.

[BewareofDawg]

At this point, Hopkins is no more than a GBP lackey. I wonder how fast he drives to Starbucks if Oscar wants a fresh Cappucino before a GBP Board meeting?
Why, because he works for them? You don't think the President of East Coast Operations has his own secretary? or coffee boy? I'm surprised you didn't apply for the job :hey

[BewareofDawg]

:roll:Who has Hopkins beat who actually weighs 160+?....... Antonio Tarver ? get outta here.

Swings and roundabouts mate.
How many 'Legend Killers' has Joe beaten? :think

[Fighting Weight]

How many 'Legend Killers' has Joe beaten? :think

Lets be fair he beat Robin Reid. Well sort of.

[RafaelGonzal]

Explain to me what has to happen? will Calzag come to Vegas or the US and fight Hop, fuck no.....theres your damn answer.

[yesihavearm]

Hopkins is a laughing stock.

Calls out fighters then gets his trainer to announce that he's ducking them.

Fuck Hopkins

[Tony Harrison]

It would be nice to think Calzaghe gained some recognition and respect across the board in his last fight.

Hopkins is/was a top tier fighter, the best in his division for a long time. It seems a bit lame to slag him off but if it makes the fight happen Calzaghe would be vindicated.

True Hopkins avoided Calzaghe when this fight would have been a genuinely big deal. I'm not sure how relevant it would be now as I expect Calzaghe to dominate a man long past his prime. He did look impressive against Tarver but that does not compare to the various other achievements of Hopkins career.

This is a money fight and Bernard Hopkins isn't exactly strapped for cash thesedays I'd imagine.

[TFFP]

Mary Popkins :lol:

Well said, Joe. This faggot will never fight you. The biggest problem is you are about the same size, and hence it's a level playing field.

Hopkins needs Joe Calzaghe, not the other way round. He needs to prove he isn't a bully that fights small men, otherwise he'll be remembered as the guy that chickened out of fighting Joe Calzaghe.

[coronacards]

1) Why is Calzaghe calling Trinidad and Jones "old guys"? Isn't Calzaghe then an "old guy" as well? and if he's calling them old, what's it say about Calzaghe calling out a REALLY old guy haha?

Let's face it, Calzaghe couldn't shine Roy Jones' shoes...There is no comparison with accomplishments, skill, etc. Jones went from 160 to Heavyweight and won titles all along the way (except for Crusierweight which he could've also cleaned out). Jones fought more great fighters, and took more risks (even with all the criticism of him ducking people) then Calzaghe EVER WILL.

Trinidad took tough fights (even when he was past his prime and out of his natural weight class). Calzaghe sits at 168, and fights bums in his own hometown.

2) If he wants Hopkins soooooooo bad, why doesn't he just come out and say, "I'll fight BHOP in New York for X amount of money, period." He does the same bullshit as other fighters do. Besides, even if Calzaghe beats Hopkins, it won't REALLY be beating Hopkins...

Calzaghe is bullshit. Remember when he called out James Toney (who at the time weighed 260 haha). He just talks. Toney would've made Calzaghe his bitch at 168 or 175. Who is Calzaghe kidding?

And Hopkins should either just retire, or beat the crap out of this overhyped, manufactured, champion who only fights in his backyard against tomato cans.

[coronacards]

1) Why is Calzaghe calling Trinidad and Jones "old guys"? Isn't Calzaghe then an "old guy" as well? and if he's calling them old, what's it say about Calzaghe calling out a REALLY old guy haha?

Let's face it, Calzaghe couldn't shine Roy Jones' shoes...There is no comparison with accomplishments, skill, etc. Jones went from 160 to Heavyweight and won titles all along the way (except for Crusierweight which he could've also cleaned out). Jones fought more great fighters, and took more risks (even with all the criticism of him ducking people) then Calzaghe EVER WILL.

Trinidad took tough fights (even when he was past his prime and out of his natural weight class). Calzaghe sits at 168, and fights bums in his own hometown.

2) If he wants Hopkins soooooooo bad, why doesn't he just come out and say, "I'll fight BHOP in New York for X amount of money, period." He does the same bullshit as other fighters do. Besides, even if Calzaghe beats Hopkins, it won't REALLY be beating Hopkins...

Calzaghe is bullshit. Remember when he called out James Toney (who at the time weighed 260 haha). He just talks. Toney would've made Calzaghe his bitch at 168 or 175. Who is Calzaghe kidding?

And Hopkins should either just retire, or beat the crap out of this overhyped, manufactured, champion who only fights in his backyard against tomato cans.

[coronacards]

Calzaghe can fight Clinton Woods, a guy EVERYONE called a bum when Roy Jones knocked him out in 6 rounds with one punch thrown when his hands were behind his back...Now Calzaghe calls him legitimate haha...what a crock!

[mike464]

Calzaghe is starting to piss me off. I really hope Hopkins knocks him out. He'd have to stop all this nonsense if he was KOed by a 43 year-old man.

[mike464]

Roy Jones knocked him out in 6 rounds with one punch thrown when his hands were behind his backThat wasn't Clinton Woods but Roy Jones did make Clinton look foolish.

[joeboxer]

Calzaghe can fight Clinton Woods, a guy EVERYONE called a bum when Roy Jones knocked him out in 6 rounds with one punch thrown when his hands were behind his back...Now Calzaghe calls him legitimate haha...what a crock!say what you want about Calzaghe...its Hopkins who has backed out in the past after having a deal made.

[TFFP]

1) Why is Calzaghe calling Trinidad and Jones "old guys"? Isn't Calzaghe then an "old guy" as well? and if he's calling them old, what's it say about Calzaghe calling out a REALLY old guy haha?

Let's face it, Calzaghe couldn't shine Roy Jones' shoes...There is no comparison with accomplishments, skill, etc. Jones went from 160 to Heavyweight and won titles all along the way (except for Crusierweight which he could've also cleaned out). Jones fought more great fighters, and took more risks (even with all the criticism of him ducking people) then Calzaghe EVER WILL.

Trinidad took tough fights (even when he was past his prime and out of his natural weight class). Calzaghe sits at 168, and fights bums in his own hometown.

2) If he wants Hopkins soooooooo bad, why doesn't he just come out and say, "I'll fight BHOP in New York for X amount of money, period." He does the same bullshit as other fighters do. Besides, even if Calzaghe beats Hopkins, it won't REALLY be beating Hopkins...

Calzaghe is bullshit. Remember when he called out James Toney (who at the time weighed 260 haha). He just talks. Toney would've made Calzaghe his bitch at 168 or 175. Who is Calzaghe kidding?

And Hopkins should either just retire, or beat the crap out of this overhyped, manufactured, champion who only fights in his backyard against tomato cans. You sir, are a deluded idiot

Why do you think Hopkins suddenly doubled the money years ago?

Why do you think it's difficult now?

It's not quantum physics, Hopkins will never fight anybody his own size unless his name is Antonio Tarver and he's fucking shite. Kessler might not be one of the American 'names' that you all jerk off over, but it was a better win than all of the welterweights old man Hopkins has fought put together

[coronacards]

That wasn't Clinton Woods but Roy Jones did make Clinton look foolish.

You're right, it was Glenn Kelly! Nice to see someone recognizes things!!! haha...

Roy Jones just chased Clinton Woods around the ring and made him his bitch.

[pablokerr]

mary hopkins needs to leave it there and stop giving it the big 1 then shiting out he beat a couple of blown up welterweights and then beat tarver who is shit

[coronacards]

You sir, are a deluded idiot

Why do you think Hopkins suddenly doubled the money years ago?

Why do you think it's difficult now?

It's not quantum physics, Hopkins will never fight anybody his own size. Kessler might not be one of the American 'names' that you all jerk off over, but it was a better win than all of the welterweights old man Hopkins has fought put together

You sir, are retarded...

The Kessler win was better than all of Hopkins' put together haha??? That's beautiful. Who did Kessler fight again? Who did he beat? Oh yeah, nobody...just like Calzaghe who fought NOBODY. Calzaghe has ONE NAME on his resume, and that's Eubank. And Eubank was at the end of his career at that point (I think he had 2 fights after).

Calzaghe postures and talks shit. He calls out Hopkins, called out Jones, called out Toney...all of them are better fighters than Calzaghe will ever be. And by the way, all of them fought REAL CHAMPIONS...think about it genius :hi:

[mike464]

You sir, are retarded...

The Kessler win was better than all of Hopkins' put together haha??? That's beautiful. Who did Kessler fight again? Who did he beat? Oh yeah, nobody...just like Calzaghe who fought NOBODY. Calzaghe has ONE NAME on his resume, and that's Eubank. And Eubank was at the end of his career at that point (I think he had 2 fights after).

Calzaghe postures and talks shit. He calls out Hopkins, called out Jones, called out Toney...all of them are better fighters than Calzaghe will ever be. And by the way, all of them fought REAL CHAMPIONS...think about it genius :hi:At least some one is still sensible

[TFFP]

All you talk about are names

Stick De La Hoya, a fucking welter in the ring with Joe Calzaghe

Stick your fucking Trinidad's in there, he'll get destroyed as well

But whats the point, it doesn't prove you are a great fighter. It proves you can beat up little men. Joe has DOMINATED everybody at HIS weight for over a decade home and away and now he is going to move up

Hopkins has been content to fight 'names' so that American gimps who's boxing knowledge fits on a postage stamp are deluded into thinking he's amazing. He fought a genuine middleweight for the first time in his life and got beat by Jermain fucking Taylor. Jermain Taylor. Doesn't that tell you something

He should be sent back to prison on charges of being a chicken, and his bumboy fans should be sent to a mental home on account of extreme delusion

[Betty Swollocks]

Hopkins is a way better fighter than Calzague, he beat Trinidad, De La Hoya, Winky Wright, and close with Jermain Taylor.. what need does he have of fighting Calzague at 43 years old ? who has calzague beat ?..... Jeff Lacy ? get outta here.

a couple of little guys out of their prime, actually I'll say the same about Winky too when Hopkins fought him...as for Taylor....well nobody seems to rate him, yet he best Poppins twice.
Hopkins has been a handpicker extraordinnaire, the guy is a fanny.
He shat himself when Toney was hunting him down.

[coronacards]

All you talk about are names

Stick De La Hoya, a fucking welter in the ring with Joe Calzaghe

Stick your fucking Trinidad's in there, he'll get destroyed as well

But whats the point, it doesn't prove you are a great fighter. It proves you can beat up little men. Joe has DOMINATED everybody at HIS weight for over a decade home and away and now he is going to move up

Hopkins has been content to fight 'names' so that American gimps who's boxing knowledge fits on a postage stamp are deluded into thinking he's amazing. He fought a genuine middleweight for the first time in his life and got beat by Jermain fucking Taylor. Jermain Taylor. Doesn't that tell you something

He should be sent back to prison on charges of being a chicken, and his bumboy fans should be sent to a mental home on account of extreme delusion


DO YOU SMOKE CRACK? Calzaghe beat everyone HOME and AWAY hahahahaa???

Calzaghe fought once in Germany and once in Denmark. EVERY OTHER FIGHT OF HIS HAS BEEN IN THE UK.

Stop playing. He won't leave his own backyard to fight anybody.

And, he beat everyone in his division??? He made sure to stay in the softest division...never venturing to fight any REAL champions. RJJ didn't stay in one soft division his ENTIRE career, neither did James Toney, or DLH, or Trinidad, etc. They all LOOKED FOR BIG FIGHTS. Calzaghe looks to pad his record. Stop comparing him to greats. You just look dumb!

[BewareofDawg]

I can see the Delahoya win being bullshit, but why does everyone discredit his victory over Trinidad??? It was a brilliant performance, and a complete domination of an undefeated titleholder. Tito held 160lbs much much better than Delahoya, and was a legit title-holder coming off a demolition of Joppy. Also, everyone picked him to beat Hops. Everyone likes to say he was a former WW, but thats what happens in boxing. Hoya is a former 135lber, Floyd too, Tommy Hearns was a former WW....does that mean Hagler should be discredited? Roy Jones was a former Middleweight, Holyfield is a former Cruiser, etc etc etc.......

[coronacards]

Exactly, EVERY GREAT FIGHTER LOOKED FOR BIGGER AND BETTER FIGHTS, and looked to expand their title reign to other divisions...

except for hmmmm...let's see...oh yeah, JOE CALZAGHE

[BewareofDawg]

Trinidad might get beat, but he fears NO MAN unlike Mary Hopkins.
Trinidad is gonna fuck Jones up :deal

Oh, and you bet your ass he fears Hopkins now. I heard his wife got chilly and shimmered "brrrrr.." and Tito pissed himself :rofl

[coronacards]

CALZAGHE FEARS LEAVING HIS BACKYARD. He might get homesick.

Oh I forgot, he'll go to Germany to fight the GREAT FIGHTER Mario Veit hahahahahaha

[TFFP]

SMW might not be the strongest division of all time, but Joe has dominated it in typical style

Let's not forget, he would have fought Hopkins years ago if he wasn't such a girl

Basically what it all comes down to, is Hopkins being a chicken, and not as good as Joe Calzaghe

I know it, Joe knows it, Mary Popkins certainly knows it

Infact the only people that don't are his spastic fans, that refuse to see what is right infront of their eyes, namely a big chicken, named Bernard Hopkins

[coronacards]

Hahaha Calzaghe isn't a chicken? When did he make an effort to fight a great fighter in his prime (or anywhere close to it)?

This isn't like he was being dodged by all these fighter...Calzaghe was content sitting his ass in the UK fighting bums

[BewareofDawg]

Jeff Lacy
Sakio Bika
Peter Manfredo

Enough said.

[BewareofDawg]

The DLH win was one of the funniest moments in Sports History. The Trinidad victory was a hard 12 rounds of punishment to beat a fooking welterweight. Hopkins is even more overrated than Oscared.
No, Roberto Duran shitting himself was the funniest thing in boxing history. Oscar beating Chavez to a pulp in front of all of mexico and then acting stunned that he isn't accepted by them is the second :rofl And Tito wasn't/isn't a WW :good

[coronacards]

How about Calzaghe's Split decision over Clinton "Bum of the month club" Woods?

[coronacards]

And by Clinton Woods, I mean Robin Reid...I get all those bums mixed up hahaha not really, but you get the joke;)

[TFFP]

He's been dodged by Bernard Hopkins all his life, have you been living in a cave?

This so called 'great' fighter in the eyes of Americans, has been ducking Joe for years. The latest developments are simply Act 2. Bernard Hopkins is an embarrassment to humanity

I'm convinced Bernard Hopkins wants to fight OAP's like Trinidad for paydays. That way he will have enough money to fund his emigration to the moon, where he will not have to be on the same planet as Joe Calzaghe

[BewareofDawg]

When did Duran shit himself? He did make Moore shit, I know that, and Leonard too. Oscar beating a geriatric was pathetic. Oscar shitting himself in the 9th was funtastic, and Oscar getting schooled for the second time by Sugar Shane Elmo was classic, especially Oscar, at the Post Fight Press Conference wearing that tampon over his eye.
:lol: at the Tampon!

You don't remember your hero waddling away, with one glove gripping the back of his trunks so they don't stick to his ass and the other one waving off his step-daddy for the night? He looked like my little cousin after a wet fart and has to quit Madden '07. :rofl

[coronacards]

ONCE AGAIN, Trinidad did something called "move up in weight". He did it to find the BIGGEST fights possible.

Joe Calzaghe is 35, has fought 44 times, 42 of them have been in the UK, none have been outside of Europe, none have been out of his original weight class, and none have been against a real "in their prime" champion.

How you can say that Calzaghe doesn't duck people when he won't leave the UK is just crazy to me...

[TFFP]

That would add up, given that Toney is not a welterweight

[coronacards]

Calzaghe didn't look for Toney either...just remember that;) Oh yeah, Calzaghe called him out once he was at heavyweight haha

[TFFP]

Toney didn't look for Joe Calzaghe either

However Joe did look for Bore-nard, unfortunately he was looking in the other direction, speeding off into the sunset on his Harley Davidson

[BewareofDawg]

Oscar was on the floor rolling for his shit attack. What fight are you talking of?
You know damn well what fight I'm talking about :good


And James "I'll have a salad" Toney would have his fat ass handed to him if he ever met Hopkins in the ring. :deal

[coronacards]

Hahaha, why would Toney look for Calzaghe? Calzaghe was a nobody up until a couple of years ago. Toney was a star in 1991.

Are you on coke?

[TFFP]

You keep avoiding the topic at hand

Incase you've lost sight, amongst the bullshit you've been spouting, the thread is about Joe Calzaghe calling Hopkins a pussy

Feel free to join in

[coronacards]

Well, I guess you're all right...

I mean Calzaghe did have the balls to fight Kessler. You know what he is?

A BLOWN UP SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT...So, if we play by your rules, he doesn't count...

[TFFP]

corona, you aren't getting this. You are a bit slow it must be said, par for the course as a Hopkins bumboy

Kessler is a real SMW, he's been there all his career

De La Hoya, Trinidad and co aren't genuine MW's

Now repeat after me, 'Bernard Hopkins is scared shitless of Joe Calzaghe'

You'll feel much better

[Beatboxer]

I really don't understand why Hopkins has fans

hes a boring old bastard, disrespected an entire nation with his actions against Tito, fouls all the way through fights, has fought mediocre competition his whole career

[coronacards]

Hey asshole, TFFP...learn your boxing history.

KESSLER BEGAN AS A SUPER WELTERWEIGHT (154lbs.). In fact, his first 10+ victories were are super welter...you see what I mean?

DLH and Trinidad aren't genuine MWs...so what? That's what fighters do. And the great ones, win titles are "non-genuine" weights.

Hopkins isn't scared of Calzaghe. This fight will occur, and Hopkins will kick his ass just the same.


Besides numbnuts, how cool are you defending your idol Calzaghe against a 43 year old haha? Calzaghe NEEDS a defining fight. He needs a REAL opponent for once. He needs to fight someone legit, and he knows it. That's why he wants Hopkins.

So let's see the balls on your boy Calzaghe to come to the US and fight Hopkins. Once the fight is made, we'll see how he does with he wide punches and lack of balance.:)

[coronacards]

I Am Not A Hopkins Lover At All...just So Everyone Knows...i Think Hopkins Is Overrated.

Butttttttttttttt, Calzaghe Is More Overrated...

[TFFP]

Fighting at a lower weight early in your career doesn't mean shit, the body is still growing into your natural weight

This isn't the same as fighting a De La Hoya, who was a natural welter

You have more confidence in Hopkins picking up his pen to sign a contract than most of us. Our doubts aren't without foundation, since he was a chicken years ago when he was closer to his best. By best, I mean when he was beating up welters, obviously

Your point about calling him out aged 60 or whatever is a bit spastic. Since this fight could have been done years ago, as we all know

[safe_pa]

Hey asshole, TFFP...learn your boxing history.

KESSLER BEGAN AS A SUPER WELTERWEIGHT (154lbs.). In fact, his first 10+ victories were are super welter...you see what I mean?

DLH and Trinidad aren't genuine MWs...so what? That's what fighters do. And the great ones, win titles are "non-genuine" weights.

Hopkins isn't scared of Calzaghe. This fight will occur, and Hopkins will kick his ass just the same.


Besides numbnuts, how cool are you defending your idol Calzaghe against a 43 year old haha? Calzaghe NEEDS a defining fight. He needs a REAL opponent for once. He needs to fight someone legit, and he knows it. That's why he wants Hopkins.

So let's see the balls on your boy Calzaghe to come to the US and fight Hopkins. Once the fight is made, we'll see how he does with he wide punches and lack of balance.:)

Now I don't really want to get into this because I like B-Hop, but in the highlighted section you make fun of Joe for calling out a 43yr old and then go on to imply that the same 43yr old is a REAL, legit, defining fight.
Also I don't think people should say Joe only fights at home when he and B-Hop have BOTH only fought abroad twice.

[coronacards]

Yeah, in 2002 right? When Hopkins was 38 haha? the same age as the Roy Jones Calzaghe calls "old" is right now?

This is all hypocrisy. All fighters do this bullshit.

One other thing...Hopkins' "blown up welterweights" were much much much better fighters than Calzaghe's "natural super middleweights".

And even if we say Hopkins is "scared" (which I don't believe), Calzaghe never made an effort to fight anyone else who was a true champion or live contender from 160-175 other than Lacy (who I always knew was just some overrated jacked dude)...

Calzaghe was comfortable racking up wins in the UK against no-name competition. Look at who he fought. Look at who his opponents lost to. They are all bums one after another after another.

It took Calzaghe 9 years to even attempt to unify the belts....you can say what you want, but you can't tell me the whole world ducked Calzaghe.

CALZAGHE WANTED TO PAD HIS RESUME, and you know it. And he stayed in his comfort zone and made mandatory defenses against bums instead of trying to solidify a hall of fame career.

[coronacards]

Now I don't really want to get into this because I like B-Hop, but in the highlighted section you make fun of Joe for calling out a 43yr old and then go on to imply that the same 43yr old is a REAL, legit, defining fight.
Also I don't think people should say Joe only fights at home when he and B-Hop have BOTH only fought abroad twice.


Well Hopkins is a legit name....Calzaghe needs someone other than Eubanks on his list of opponents...

As far as fighting abroad, let's face it. The biggest fights (at least in the divisions we're speaking of) traditionally take place in the United States. I mean if you look at the championship fights from Middle, Super Middle, and Light Heavy in the last 10 years, where did most take place?

Isn't it weird that Calzaghe NEVER fought in the US???

[TFFP]

Classic stuff from the American fan

Joe's demolition of Jeff Lacy gets discredited

You were the only person in American that thought Joe was going to win that fight, congratulations

America beforehand: Joe is getting knocked out in 2 rounds, Lacy is the new Tyson LOLZ
America afterwards: Lacy was an overrated bum

What if Lacy goes on to be a genuine force at SMW/LHW? Likewise with Kessler? Don't you the have the brain to assess the skills of boxers, unless they are called Oscar De La Hoya, and are famous in America?

[coronacards]

Of course... but do you think Kessler and Lacy are bonafide stars???

I don't, never did. Lacy the new Tyson? hahaah who thought that???

And if Lacy and/or Kessler become a legitimate FORCE at SMW/LHW, I will give Calzaghe more credit. Until then, they look like bums to me haha.

Lacy is a one-dimensional slugger with no defense, and Kessler only fights bums in Denmark....Am I missing something?

[coronacards]

And what is with your anti-American stuff? I don't root harder for American fighters, I just call them like I see them.

I make points, and you ignore them...because YOU CANNOT ADDRESS THEM ADEQUATELY. So, you change the subject and try a different approach.

Do you really think Calzaghe is SOOOOOO GREAT? How can you assess his greatness when he has never fought a CONFIRMED great fighter? Does Calzaghe making overrated bums look bad make him great? I don't think so.

Calzaghe is a good fighter, he throws a lot of punches, and he has fast hands.

He gets hit too much, he has shaky balance, and his punches are too wide. Put him in with a straight punching counter puncher or someone just more athletic and faster (Roy Jones), and he gets demolished.

[cuchulain]

And by Clinton Woods, I mean Robin Reid...I get all those bums mixed up hahaha not really, but you get the joke;)


Yep, we do.

It's called coronacards.

(Can't tell one fighter from another and can't tell his ass from a hole-in-the-ground.)

[TFFP]

This is my whole point

The only 'confirmed' greats are those in the eyes of the American boxing media

To many of us, Hopkins is not a great for the reasons I have mentioned, and hence he needs Joe as much as Joe needs him. If by some miracle he beats Joe Calzaghe, a great fighter the same size, that will change. It's his tough luck for ducking years ago, that this is coming up again aged 67

However this 'confirmed great' won't even fight Joe. Don't be so fucking obtuse by doubting whether he's ducking, he doubled the money years ago and is playing silly beggars again

The man who has beaten all the 'greats' in America is scared of little old Joe Calzaghe, from Wales

Fucking clowns

[coronacards]

Just to show I am not picking on the "Non-American fighters"

Here are Calzaghe's last 6 opponents:

Kessler (previously undefeated nobody who only fights on home turf)
Manfredo (concocted star from USA who never deserved a title shot)
Bika (Decent fighter)
Lacy (Overrated American who showed himself to be one-dimensional)
Ashira (Who? Complete bum)
Veit (Who? Complete bum)


Here are Ricky Hatton's last 6 opponents:

Mayweather (P4P king, in his prime, at his prime weight, etc.)
Castillo (Over the hill and pretty much shot, but a warrior and great former champ)
Urango (Decent up and comer)
Collazo (Tough fighter with difficult style, Championship caliber, legit contender)
Tszyu (Legitimate champ at his weight, thought to be one of the best P4P)


I like Ricky Hatton...AT LEAST HE FIGHTS PEOPLE WHO HAVE RESUMES. NOT BUMS HE CAN JUST EXPOSE AND BULLDOZE

[joe the great]

:rofl

[coronacards]

Yep, we do.

It's called coronacards.

(Can't tell one fighter from another and can't tell his ass from a hole-in-the-ground.)


GOOD ONE TOUGH GUY!:good I can tell one fighter from another, but nice try. Where did you come from anyway??? This quote is old.

[coronacards]

This is my whole point

The only 'confirmed' greats are those in the eyes of the American boxing media

To many of us, Hopkins is not a great for the reasons I have mentioned, and hence he needs Joe as much as Joe needs him. If by some miracle he beats Joe Calzaghe, a great fighter the same size, that will change. It's his tough luck for ducking years ago, that this is coming up again aged 67

However this 'confirmed great' won't even fight Joe. Don't be so fucking obtuse by doubting whether he's ducking, he doubled the money years ago and is playing silly beggars again

The man who has beaten all the 'greats' in America is scared of little old Joe Calzaghe, from Wales

Fucking clowns


SO NAME ONE CONFIRMED GREAT THAT CALZAGHE FOUGHT...

Not Eubanks, because he was right at the end of his career. Name one PRIME TOP NOTCH fighter that Calzaghe fought....just one...

[coronacards]

This is my whole point

The only 'confirmed' greats are those in the eyes of the American boxing media

To many of us, Hopkins is not a great for the reasons I have mentioned, and hence he needs Joe as much as Joe needs him. If by some miracle he beats Joe Calzaghe, a great fighter the same size, that will change. It's his tough luck for ducking years ago, that this is coming up again aged 67

However this 'confirmed great' won't even fight Joe. Don't be so fucking obtuse by doubting whether he's ducking, he doubled the money years ago and is playing silly beggars again

The man who has beaten all the 'greats' in America is scared of little old Joe Calzaghe, from Wales

Fucking clowns


Just to show I am not picking on the "Non-American fighters"

Here are Calzaghe's last 6 opponents:

Kessler (previously undefeated nobody who only fights on home turf)
Manfredo (concocted star from USA who never deserved a title shot)
Bika (Decent fighter)
Lacy (Overrated American who showed himself to be one-dimensional)
Ashira (Who? Complete bum)
Veit (Who? Complete bum)


Here are Ricky Hatton's last 6 opponents:

Mayweather (P4P king, in his prime, at his prime weight, etc.)
Castillo (Over the hill and pretty much shot, but a warrior and great former champ)
Urango (Decent up and comer)
Collazo (Tough fighter with difficult style, Championship caliber, legit contender)
Tszyu (Legitimate champ at his weight, thought to be one of the best P4P)


I like Ricky Hatton...AT LEAST HE FIGHTS PEOPLE WHO HAVE RESUMES. NOT BUMS HE CAN JUST EXPOSE AND BULLDOZE

[coronacards]

Hatton also fought Maussa in between Tszyu and Collazo...At least he beat Vivian Harris who was decent at one time haha

[TFFP]

Yes, Eubank was at the end of his career, because Joe beat him you dullard. He was still a top fighter, so don't start discrediting

Kessler is the best fighter he faced, obviously. A man that has barely dropped a round in his career, and is a good 7 years younger. Of course you'd say that Kessler has only fought bums, because his opponents do not have 'UNITED STATES' plastered across their passport. Infact the heavyweight division is also shit, because you don't have any fighters to speak of. Funny that

I know Joe isn't going to get any credit for what he's achieved at SMW in America. So he calls out Bor-nard the 'great', and gets shamelessly ducked. Can't win

What we shoud do is add Hopkins to Joe's record, a win by "Duckage"

Then roll on the Dawson's, or the Pavlik's if we want to go down the Hopkins route of fighting smaller men. That will get Joe some credit. At least they don't come across as pussies

[See Me Flow]

"Mary Hopkins". How cute. Not. Obviously Calzaghe is trying to bait Hops.

[dodong]

Calzaghe is baiting Hopkins to fight him on his terms and that's not going to happen. We all saw what Joe's brother in-laws cousin from his mother's uncle's side did to Manfredo.

Hopkins legacy is sealed, he's a definite ATG, a win over Calzaghe won't do anything for him. BHops just doesn't need this fight! Let Calzaghe be judged with his shitty resume, a green overhyped American, an unproven Euro stiff, a shot ex-champ and 120 dalma.., ooops, tomato cans.

[coronacards]

Yes, Eubank was at the end of his career, because Joe beat him you dullard. He was still a top fighter, so don't start discrediting

Kessler is the best fighter he faced, obviously. A man that has barely dropped a round in his career, and is a good 7 years younger. Of course you'd say that Kessler has only fought bums, because his opponents do not have 'UNITED STATES' plastered across their passport. Infact the heavyweight division is also shit, because you don't have any fighters to speak of. Funny that

I know Joe isn't going to get any credit for what he's achieved at SMW in America. So he calls out Bor-nard the 'great', and gets shamelessly ducked. Can't win

What we shoud do is add Hopkins to Joe's record, a win by "Duckage"

Then roll on the Dawson's, or the Pavlik's if we want to go down the Hopkins route of fighting smaller men. That will get Joe some credit. At least they don't come across as pussies



Ummmm...I don't care what country they are from...can't you get that through your head? However, I do care who they fought...Kessler fought nobodys...didn't he? Correct me if I am wrong please...

Newsflash...Dawson is not smaller than Calzaghe...and he is also very unproven at the top level. Pavlik is smaller, but he is also more experienced, and really is a big middleweight.

The point is, you judge me based upon me supposedly rooting harder for American fighters. I just gave your boy Hatton all the credit in the world.

I will do the same for Calzaghe when he fights someone. That's all...plain and simple. You want to tell me that all these assclown opponents he fought are stars in the UK? I know they aren't. I have many friends in England, Spain, Scotland, and all over Europe...Guess what, they never heard of any of those assclown fighters either?

I like Hatton, he fights the best (or seems to try to). I like Miguel Cotto. Shit, I like Ricardo Mayorga, he doesn't turn down a challenge. But in my eyes, other than MAYBE with hopkins, CALZAGHE HASN'T LOOKED FOR THE BIG FIGHTS. HE HASN'T LOOKED TO TAKE RISKS. He has played it safe. He is your Dariusz Michalczewski haha.

[geppy]

That is pretty funny. Calzaghe has a good sense of humor.

I notice Americans dont like it when a Foreign fighter talks trash. But if it is Mayweather, Toney, RJJ , ETC. That is just they way they are, it is cool and promotion.

[coronacards]

Calzaghe is 35...How many times did he seek out a REAL challenge? How many times did he look for a career defining fight?

I'll give you Hopkins...who else did he call out? who else is he trying to fight?

He wanted NO PART of Roy Jones a few short years ago. He wanted NO PART of Toney back then either, did he? Did he want anyone?

Remember 5 years ago, Calzaghe was nobody on a world stage...who was he calling out then to try to be "THE MAN"?

[TFFP]

Ummmm...I don't care what country they are from...can't you get that through your head? However, I do care who they fought...Kessler fought nobodys...didn't he? Correct me if I am wrong please...

Newsflash...Dawson is not smaller than Calzaghe...and he is also very unproven at the top level. Pavlik is smaller, but he is also more experienced, and really is a big middleweight.

The point is, you judge me based upon me supposedly rooting harder for American fighters. I just gave your boy Hatton all the credit in the world.

I will do the same for Calzaghe when he fights someone. That's all...plain and simple. You want to tell me that all these assclown opponents he fought are stars in the UK? I know they aren't. I have many friends in England, Spain, Scotland, and all over Europe...Guess what, they never heard of any of those assclown fighters either?

I like Hatton, he fights the best (or seems to try to). I like Miguel Cotto. Shit, I like Ricardo Mayorga, he doesn't turn down a challenge. But in my eyes, other than MAYBE with hopkins, CALZAGHE HASN'T LOOKED FOR THE BIG FIGHTS. HE HASN'T LOOKED TO TAKE RISKS. He has played it safe. He is your Dariusz Michalczewski haha.

You lost all credibility when you gave Hatton credit for beating Juan Urango, and then said Kessler was a bum

If you can't see Kessler is a top fighter, you are beyond hope

I said Pavlik was smaller, and I'm quite aware Dawson is a LHW. Take it reading comprehension isn't your strong point

In my own mind I'm happy Bernard is such a chicken because like Hopkins himself I know it would be a one sided beating. I will be quite happy to see the great man end his career with easy wins over Woods and Dawson/Pavlik

Happy days

[coronacards]

You lost all credibility when you gave Hatton credit for beating Juan Urango, and then said Kessler was a bum

If you can't see Kessler is a top fighter, you are beyond hope

I said Pavlik was smaller, and I'm quite aware Dawson is a LHW. Take it reading comprehension isn't your strong point

In my own mind I'm happy Bernard is such a chicken because like Hopkins himself I know it would be a one sided beating. I will be quite happy to see the great man end his career with easy wins over Woods and Dawson/Pavlik

Happy days

Yes, Kessler is a top fighter in a shitty division after beating nobody to get the title of "Top Fighter"...happy now??? I mean are you for real? And even if you give him "Top Fighter" status, and you count Eubanks, and you count Lacy (which I don't agree with)....

CALZAGHE THEN WOULD HAVE FOUGHT 3 TOP FIGHTERS IN 44 FIGHTS....WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW STOP THE PRESSES, WE GOT AN ALL-TIME GREAT HERE.

Don't you see it? Real Champions fight other champions. And don't give me shit about Calzaghe not wanting smaller fighters...Calzaghe wants money. That's why he stays in the UK where he is the top draw, where he can get top dollar, and where he can make a fortune fighting bums...

Say what you want about Hopkins, Jones, Toney, Trinidad, DLH, EVEN VARGAS...THEY ALL HAVE HOF FIGHTERS ON THEIR RESUME, and in most cases, more than a few...

What does Calzaghe have??? Who has he taken a risk by fighting???

and why the hell is Kessler good? Because someone gave him a belt? or because some European newspaper told you he was? or because he has a good record? Please tell me.

[TFFP]

Kessler is a good boxer, because he is good at boxing. I can't be arsed wasting keystrokes on you, detailing his various attributes. YouTube is the big thing these days, take a look, educate yourself

Eubank was a top notch fighter, and Calzaghe was green at the time. Excellent win

Lacy was the next big thing out of America, until he got his ass handed to him and become shit overnight. But you knew this all along, obviously

Hopkins will be the next, if he gets out of his rocking chair and signs the damn contract

Who's next out of America, Dawson or Pavlik?

Added to this a superb reign at SMW, despite some inferior opposition, it takes something to get up for those fights. I even give Hopkins credit for that

Joe Calzaghe will finish his career has a 2 weight undefeated world champion, with some 'names' on his record, and some underrated fighters in American boxing terms

Well done, Joe

[See Me Flow]

Joe Calzaghe will finish his career has a 2 weight undefeated world champion

Calzaghe fights any of the top 3 Lt. Heavys and he will no longer have the luxury of retiring undefeated.

[cuchulain]

GOOD ONE TOUGH GUY!:good I can tell one fighter from another, but nice try. Where did you come from anyway??? This quote is old.


That you could distinguish between fighters was not evident from your posts.

And this is MY first time using this quote with you, but if you feel it's old, I guess you must get it a lot.

You're starting to sound like a broken record, literaly (posts #80 and #84).

Joe would have lost to prime Roy.

Other than that he's cleaned up his division.

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Hahahaha Kessler is good because he is good....GREAT ANSWER!

How can you gauge someone's boxing skills without seeing them fight someone good???

I mean Kessler showed skill against nobodys...EVEN LACY did that. EVEN URANGO did that. Every up and coming prospect does that.

It's not like Kessler was Tyson and took them all out in one round. It's not like Kessler was Cotto, and beat them into submission. Kessler just beat a bunch of bums and looked good beating bums.

Don't you see the difference there??? I admit that Kessler has decent skill. But showcasing it against unskilled people doesn't prove your point.

And against Eubank...it was his 23rd fight, and he was already boxing professionally 4 years. He was green, but not THAT THAT green. Oh yeah, Calzaghes first 22 bouts were against bums, and he next 20 after Eubanks were bums...look at the record, it's right there!

[coronacards]

Kessler is a good boxer, because he is good at boxing. I can't be arsed wasting keystrokes on you, detailing his various attributes. YouTube is the big thing these days, take a look, educate yourself

Eubank was a top notch fighter, and Calzaghe was green at the time. Excellent win

Lacy was the next big thing out of America, until he got his ass handed to him and become shit overnight. But you knew this all along, obviously

Hopkins will be the next, if he gets out of his rocking chair and signs the damn contract

Who's next out of America, Dawson or Pavlik?

Added to this a superb reign at SMW, despite some inferior opposition, it takes something to get up for those fights. I even give Hopkins credit for that

Joe Calzaghe will finish his career has a 2 weight undefeated world champion, with some 'names' on his record, and some underrated fighters in American boxing terms

Well done, Joe


WHY DO YOU ALWAYS MAKE IT US AGAINST THEM??? WHY DO YOU ALWAYS LOOK FOR AMERICAN FIGHTERS VS EUROPEAN FIGHTERS???

I don't do that. You are making it a country versus country thing. I don't care if America doesn't have any great up and comers. I don't care if you think that Lacy was America's best shot. To me, it's just who's the best fighter...

I don't knock Kessler because he isn't American. Most of the smaller weights have been dominated by non-American fighters. Even now, the Heavyweight division is dominated by European monsters...

The point is...How can you judge Kessler, when his performances were showcased against tomato cans? How can you judge Calzaghe when he has spent 99% of his career fight nobodys...people you never even heard of???

I like Calzaghe. I like European people. I like the fighters over in Europe. But I like the ones who take on REAL challenges constantly, not guys who pad their record...

[maracho]

I wish Haye or Maskaev would have called Hopkin's bluff as Calzaghe did in order to end any lingering denial.

Hmm come to think of it maybe Calzaghe's best alternative would be to do like Hopkins only 'talks' about and what RJJ actually did and fight a heavyweight champion like Chagaev (who beat RJJ's Ruiz).

[coronacards]

Or let him fight Sam Peter like James Toney did haha...

[maracho]

Or let him fight Sam Peter like James Toney did haha...

There you go but if those hellions wouldn't have ripped Toney off in the first Peter fight a Toney/Calzaghe could have been huge.

[coronacards]

Agreed...I would've loved to see that fight...too bad Toney doesn't get in shape either...

He is the perfect match-up for Calzaghe. He'd be a chance for Calzaghe to show how great he is. Personally, anything close to a "near peak" Toney would dismantle Calzaghe in similar fashion to Jirov.

[maracho]

I had Toney Jirov close so it really only came down to a hair in the last rounds.

..but anyway Joe does have a few alternatives to boost his legacy. Erdei and Winky are probably better choices than Woods but wins over Chagaev, Haye, or Ibragamov would put Joe at super ATG level.

Ibragamov/Klitchko is no different a size ratio than Calzaghe/Ibragamov is it? Calzaghe wants Ring belts and getting Haye's Ring belt would be vastly more impressive than Hopkin's.

[sues2nd]

:roll:Who has Hopkins beat who actually weighs 160+?....... Antonio Tarver ? get outta here.

Swings and roundabouts mate.

I dont agree with the original post about Calzaghe fighting noone (Eubank, Lacy, Kessler, Mitchell, Reid, etc....good resume), but your not insinuating that he has a better resume, or has beaten better fighters than Hopkins (Johnson, Tito, Oscar, Joppy, Taylor, Tarver, Wright, Holmes, Echols, Vanderpool, Eastman, etc.) are you?

If so....delete your screenname, then punch yourself in the nuts.

If not....then your ok with me!!!

:good