It's Pacquiao Vs Marquez! Official!!!

[chimba]

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[IntentionalButt]

I don't even care anymore. That whole back and forth drama completely soured me on this fight, and just a couple of months ago I was still drooling at the thought of it. :bart

Guess I should have just ignored all that stuff.

[kg0208]

Good for him....if it's true that is........cuz Diaz would have been pathetic.

Pacquiao KO 9th round.

[enzo]

Looks like PAcman's days are numbered.


looks like Pac ain't ducking JMM after, ei black? :yep

[theunderdog]

Looks like PAcman's days are numbered.

wow. that was quick.

[johnco]

black, divac, 4rounder, uliuli, acb, sojernep, compkiller

students,


start flxing your mouth and say this.....

"JMM LOST BECAUSE HE"S 34 YEARS OLD" :rofl :rofl

you gonna need this practice after the day pac murders your hero :lol:

[chimba]

I don't even care anymore. That whole back and forth drama completely soured me on this fight, and just a couple of months ago I was still drooling at the thought of it. :bart

Guess I should have just ignored all that stuff.

cmon man:-( this will be a WAR! freaking clash of the titans
Highest rated guys to face off since Taylor/JCC I think

[chimba]

Good for him....if it's true that is........cuz Diaz would have been pathetic.

Pacquiao KO 9th round.

Your sarcasm bores me

[kg0208]

Good for him....if it's true that is........cuz Diaz would have been pathetic.

Pacquiao KO 9th round.

Your sarcasm bores me
Too bad I wasn't being sarcastic. You go find me a post where I ever pick Marquez to beat Pacquiao in the rematch. Said ages ago that he couldn't beat Pacquiao at this point in their careers. Cute try though.

[johnco]

Good for him....if it's true that is........cuz Diaz would have been pathetic.

Pacquiao KO 9th round.

Your sarcasm bores me

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[doknochrisan]

Good.....Marquez by Unanimous Decision...




















...to retire.....:lol:

[kg0208]

[quote=chimba]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Follow the leader........right over a cliff.

[johnco]

Marquez is a young 35, and he has enough left in the tank to give pac a beating of his life. Then he could move up to 135 and take Casa out, making him a 3 division champ and an ATG legend. Pacman would live in the shadows.


yep pacman living in the shadows of his movie room watching a repeat scene of this picture and asking himself..." i wonder how is allblack doing in the psychiatric hosital after the second fight???" :think :think :lol: :lol:


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[IntentionalButt]

cmon man:-( this will be a WAR! freaking clash of the titans
Highest rated guys to face off since Taylor/JCC I think
I know...I was really excited. All that bullshit turns me off though. It's the fight everybody wants, just god damn make it already. We shouldn't be held in suspense and checking the articles every other day, oops now they're fighting, oops wait nope they're fighting other people, oops offer made, oops wait no it's not enough. God damn it. We shouldn't have to feel gracious for a logical fight like this. There never should have been any question as to who either guy was going to fight next.

I don't know...closer to fight time I'll probably get more pumped again. But right now all the pointless anticlimactic drama still burns. :twisted:

[chimba]

I know...I was really excited. All that bullshit turns me off though. It's the fight everybody wants, just god damn make it already. We shouldn't be held in suspense and checking the articles every other day, oops now they're fighting, oops wait nope they're fighting other people, oops offer made, oops wait no it's not enough. God damn it. We shouldn't have to feel gracious for a logical fight like this. There never should have been any question as to who either guy was going to fight next.

I don't know...closer to fight time I'll probably get more pumped again. But right now all the pointless anticlimactic drama still burns. :twisted:

its the history of these guys that creates the drama..the things that happened in the fight..after the fight..JMM in Indonesia, the BS, PAc saga, the Arum/DLH. Of most fights that can get away with the drama this is it. This is really like a mini Hagler/Hearns with a richer history..#2 and #3 in the world..I know Hagler/Hearns was 1 and 2 but I cant recall a fight for supremacy like this in 15 years or so

[enzo]

Everything but the contract... i hope they sign it already!

[IntentionalButt]

its the history of these guys that creates the drama..the things that happened in the fight..after the fight..JMM in Indonesia, the BS, PAc saga, the Arum/DLH. Of most fights that can get away with the drama this is it. This is really like a mini Hagler/Hearns with a richer history..#2 and #3 in the world..I know Hagler/Hearns was 1 and 2 but I cant recall a fight for supremacy like this in 15 years or so

Oh I don't mind the drama of the hype and the fan build-up...I enjoy that. I meant the promoter bullshit, the "are we going to see this fight next or aren't we" drama...can't stand that shit...just get it over with, the fighters and handlers should just do what needs to be done, make whatever concessions and sacrifices, just make it happen, it's the fight that makes most sense for everybody, why drag it out and play all these little games?

[brooklyn1550]

Nice!

[kg0208]

its the history of these guys that creates the drama..the things that happened in the fight..after the fight..JMM in Indonesia, the BS, PAc saga, the Arum/DLH. Of most fights that can get away with the drama this is it. This is really like a mini Hagler/Hearns with a richer history..#2 and #3 in the world..I know Hagler/Hearns was 1 and 2 but I cant recall a fight for supremacy like this in 15 years or so

Trinidad vs DLH is probably a little higher caliber, but I get the jist of what you're saying. However, Intentional is right somewhat.

[chimba]

Trinidad vs DLH is probably a little higher caliber, but I get the jist of what you're saying. However, Intentional is right somewhat.

yes that was a bigger Marquee fight... just the names. Forgot that one .

Although I wasnt sure who was ranked higher or favored for that fight.

That was a hell of a fight on paper..unfortunately ity didnt deliver. This fight..I cant see it not delivering ...just the pressure..to prove who really is better. Everythings on the line here..For JMM a loss and its career over ... for PAC hed be JMM's bitch forever

[chimba]

Oh I don't mind the drama of the hype and the fan build-up...I enjoy that. I meant the promoter bullshit, the "are we going to see this fight next or aren't we" drama...can't stand that shit...just get it over with, the fighters and handlers should just do what needs to be done, make whatever concessions and sacrifices, just make it happen, it's the fight that makes most sense for everybody, why drag it out and play all these little games?

Money..its ok Ill check back February:good

[kg0208]

yes that was a bigger Marquee fight... just the names. Forgot that one .

Although I wasnt sure who was ranked higher or favored for that fight.

That was a hell of a fight on paper..unfortunately ity didnt deliver. This fight..I cant see it not delivering ...just the pressure..to prove who really is better. Everythings on the line here..For JMM a loss and its career over ... for PAC hed be JMM's bitch forever

I don't see JMM beating Pacquiao anymore. He may have been able to a couple of years ago. But both fighters have changed since then.

I think they were #2 and #3 P4P at the time, as Jones was #1. But it may have been #1 vs #3. I actually liked the fight. I like the drama when two elite fighters measure each other. Action fights are great too, but I didn't expect a slugfest in that fight.

[chimba]

Why would a loss to one of the best fighters in the world end your career:huh

you kiddin right?

[Jose FM]

Pac UD.

[doknochrisan]

Why would a loss to one of the best fighters in the world end your career:huh

Not a damn clue...:D

[shelterr]

If it's true...big ups to Pac. This is the fight boxing needs.

[Chert]

you kiddin right?

he's right. why would a loss to the #2 p4p fighter in the world end jmm's career?

[Fedor Em]

JMM UD, this one will be great

[chimba]

he's right. why would a loss to the #2 p4p fighter in the world end jmm's career?

The guy is 35 years old looking for a final paycheck..

Ah Ok if I lose Ill make my way back up thru the ranks

maybe get a tuneup fight against Guzman to have another crack at PAC when Im 37

please tell me youre kidding also

ohh I see him fighting again maybe a farewell fight with a nobody in Mexico or fight Chris John again in Indonesia for 50k this time

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"It's almost a done deal,"

Another dumb ass that should be banned for posting lies.

[chimba]

"It's almost a done deal,"

Another dumb ass that should be banned for posting lies.

Stfu! child lesson 1 no deal is done till the day of the fight...

Yeah they are announcing Dec 20 press conference in Vegas with Arum and DLH."Hey we lied to you its not JMM" TWAT!

you noticed I highlighted DLH..its a clue

[BoxingGuru]

Stfu! child lesson 1 no deal is done till the day of the fight....

Yeah they are announcing Dec 20 press conference in Vegas with Arum and DLH."Hey we lied to you its not JMM" TWAT!

you noticed I highlighted DLH..its a clue

You posted in the title of your thread Pacquiao Vs Marquez! Official!!! That is a downright outright flat out lie, and you should be banned for posting it. PERIOD.:patsch

You did it on purpose to mislead people, but again, you have the brain of a 12 year old and people can read the article.

[chimba]

You posted in the title of your thread OFFICIAL. That is a downright outright flat out lie, and you should be banned for posting it. PERIOD.:patsch

What are you a fuckin thread police?...youre a fuckin nerd:lol: get lost... ! out my thread bitch. ..start your own..and read your own posts

[BoxingGuru]

What are you a fuckin thread police?...youre a fuckin nerd:lol: get lost... ! out my thread bitch. ..start your own..and read your own posts

You are a fucking twit, you proved it by posting yet another clever lie in a thread title. Congratulations, very original. It's only done every single time a fight is "almost done" and then all of a sudden never gets signed.

You might wanna check into another form of entertainment because you're not clever or original and I knew before I opened your stupid thread it was fucking bullshit.

[chimba]

You are a fucking twit, you proved it by posting yet another clever lie in a thread title. Congratulations, very original. It's only done every single time a fight is "almost done" and then all of a sudden never gets signed.

You might wanna check into another form of entertainment because you're not clever or original and I knew before I opened your stupid thread it was fucking bullshit.

lol relax keyboard warrior..youre the only one bitchin in my thread

r u you gay?..only gays bitch as much ... not that I have anything against them but...dont worry Ill put you on ignore dont bother replying

[carras]

i won't believe it yet

[DobyZhee]

I don't believe any news that comes out of the philippines. their news is 'almost' a done deal? That's ridiculous. Pac breaking a fingernail is big news over there too...

Chimba, you are in the wrong for posting that its official.

[psychopath]

It's Pacquiao Vs Marquez! Official!!!


Good! Now we're talking. I knew this is going to happen. :yep

Good ploy by team Pac to make Team JMM bite the bullet.

[kg0208]

Good! Now we're talking. I knew this is going to happen. :yep

Good ploy by team Pac to make Team JMM bite the bullet.
Bite what bullet? JMM had already agreed to terms before the other story broke. It was on Team Pacquiao since then. Besides, this is looking like "almost done" not "official".

[theunderdog]

i will refuse to talk until this shit's signed.

[divac]

To make the fight happen, JMM gave in to Pac's demands days ago......

It is boxing message boards like these, even the biggest Pac fan message board (Pacland) were butchering pac for what was apparently Pac's choice to go with David Diaz.

It is message boards like these that applied and voiced their displeasure that Pac felt the shame not to make the fight with JMM not happen.

Its starting to look like its a go for March 15th, and if so, I applaud both JMM for coming down on his demands to make the fight happen, (and I did tell you bozos that JMM would come down even lower than 40%, when you all were saying that he was asking for more than Pac :deal )

.....and also Pac, for hearing the outcry of everybody that cares to see great boxing matchups happen.

Lets stop the fingerpointing.....
......Pac Hardcores that are already pointing that Pac will get no credit because Marquez is 34, stop that nonsense. If thats what happens in the aftermatch, deal with it then. As I will deal with the loads of excuses you all will have after the schooling has ended. I wont point to that rubbish now, I'll deal with it then!

The important thing is that it looks like the fight is going to happen!

We can all discuss that and speculate whether the fight will take place at 130 or 135 lbs.:happy :happy :happy :happy

[errsta]

round 13 will pick up where round 12 left off.

Marquez knows what he's getting into and won't have to outbox pacquiao while breathing through a broken nose.

There's no shame in losing to Marquez, hell, there's always David Diaz to beat up on to recover from the loss.

[pejevan]

Marquez is a young 35, and he has enough left in the tank to give pac a beating of his life. Then he could move up to 135 and take Casa out, making him a 3 division champ and an ATG legend. Pacman would live in the shadows.

So now it is OK for JMM to face Casamayor who is more pat-it than MAB and Morales combined!!!! When there was talk of Pac - David fight, everybody is dissing him, yet it is ok for JMM to face Casa, not juan vs. juan. Talking of double standards.

[PATSYS]

Careful what you wish you may just get it..

Careful what you wish you may regret it..

:yep

[divac]

round 13 will pick up where round 12 left off.

Marquez knows what he's getting into and won't have to outbox pacquiao while breathing through a broken nose.

There's no shame in losing to Marquez, hell, there's always David Diaz to beat up on to recover from the loss.:yep :good

[psychopath]

Bite what bullet? JMM had already agreed to terms before the other story broke. It was on Team Pacquiao since then. Besides, this is looking like "almost done" not "official".

Yeah that was the declaration by JMM . . . but at that point TOP RANK and GBP haven't talked yet.

So I believe it's gonna happen now because I saw a print where Pacquiao said he is satisfied with Top Rank and GBP's final talk. :yep

[divac]

So now it is OK for JMM to face Casamayor who is more pat-it than MAB and Morales combined!!!! When there was talk of Pac - David fight, everybody is dissing him, yet it is ok for JMM to face Casa, not juan vs. juan. Talking of double standards.

I doubt JMM would even care to fight someone like Casa, who only knows how to run and foul.......

If JMM fights anybody at 135 lbs it will be the Baby bull.
I think however that JMM will want to unify at 130 lbs against either Guzman or Valero!

First thing is first however, and I'm absolutlely positive that JMM will only have Manny Pacquiao on his mind, as he should!

[kg0208]

Yeah that was the declaration by JMM . . . but at that point TOP RANK and GBP haven't talked yet.

So I believe it's gonna happen now because I saw a print where Pacquiao said he is satisfied with Top Rank and GBP's final talk. :yep
Even so, I don't see the "ploy". If JMM was already agreeing to terms then Pacquiao's team gains nothing from saying he would fight Diaz.

[myk]

Pac UD

[psychopath]

Even so, I don't see the "ploy". If JMM was already agreeing to terms then Pacquiao's team gains nothing from saying he would fight Diaz.

Well that's because you always refuse to see :D

JMM has agreed to the terms alLright . . . what about the promoter, GBP?

It was only yesterday that it was confirmed that Pac got all his demands. :hey

[kg0208]

Well that's because you always refuse to see :D

JMM has agreed to the terms alLright . . . what about the promoter, GBP?

It was only yesterday that it was confirmed that Pac got all his demands. :hey
That's just speculation on your part. You only see what you choose to see. It was printed there for all to see days ago that JMM agreed to terms. You don't know when GBP agreed, only when it was reported that Pacquiao's team confirmed that GBP agreed. They could have agreed last week for all you know, and seeing as how it was reported that the offer was more than reasonable from GBP days ago (and that info came from Pacquiao's camp and was posted here by Pacquiao fans), I am inclined to think that your "ploy" statement is wrong.

[carras]

carras's avatar fears TopDog's avatar.

Quite the opposite, it's TopDog's avatar that says he won't fight carras's avatar.

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I said it once and ill say it again, i dont trust those editors unles we get some other refrences, they said Pac and roach split, and that David Diaz was the next one.

Ill cheer when its official

[divac]

Well that's because you always refuse to see :D

JMM has agreed to the terms alLright . . . what about the promoter, GBP?

It was only yesterday that it was confirmed that Pac got all his demands. :hey

Its obvious that the criticism from Pacquiao's insinuation that he'd fight Diaz got to him.

Just look at BC.com article that quotes Pac fans criticizing Pac's choice of Diaz.

Pac heard the criticism loud and clear, and to his credit, it looks like he is going to give in and fight JMM!:bbb

[kg0208]

Its obvious that the criticism from Pacquiao's insinuation that he'd fight Diaz got to him.

Just look at BC.com article that quotes Pac fans criticizing Pac's choice of Diaz.

Pac heard the criticism loud and clear, and to his credit, it looks like he is going to give in and fight JMM!:bbb

Yet he is trying to play it off as some ploy to get JMM to agree to terms, when it was printed before the Diaz fight was "falsely confirmed" that JMM had agreed with Pacquiao's demands.

[psychopath]

Its obvious that the criticism from Pacquiao's insinuation that he'd fight Diaz got to him.

Just look at BC.com article that quotes Pac fans criticizing Pac's choice of Diaz.

Pac heard the criticism loud and clear, and to his credit, it looks like he is going to give in and fight JMM!:bbb

I'm expecting you to know better than that Divac. :D

No matter what the crowd or the people or the fans says, if the fighter doesn't really want to fight the other fighter it won't happen. It always happens in boxing . . . how many big fights didn't happen despite for the big clamors from the fans or even the media? That's no longer a new thing in this sports.

And besides that news that leak . . . was immediately denied by Roach. Officially there was no decission yet.

[coffeehunk]

hold your horses,it's not official yet.

[psychopath]

hold your horses,it's not official yet.

Yup because no doc have been signed yet . . . but it was also announced that a press con will be held to make that announcement official.

That's why they are saying it's only 90% because of the unsigned docs.

[divac]

Yet he is trying to play it off as some ploy to get JMM to agree to terms, when it was printed before the Diaz fight was "falsely confirmed" that JMM had agreed with Pacquiao's demands.

As early as Saturday morning, Arum it appeared was already satisfied with his talks with GBP's that he was leaving it solely up to Pac to make his decision on whether to fight JMM (who Arum admitted was the fight everyone wanted to see) or fight David Diaz.

Then there was a few articles stating that Pac had chosen Diaz, that the JMM fight would be bigger if they both fought eachother with him as the lightweight champ......
....then pandemonium in message boards like this in disgust with Pac's decision.

Then we hear today that Pac had a change of heart, and he's given the Marquez fight a go.


You do the math!:deal

[divac]

I'm expecting you to know better than that Divac. :D

No matter what the crowd or the people or the fans says, if the fighter doesn't really want to fight the other fighter it won't happen. It always happens in boxing . . . how many big fights didn't happen despite for the big clamors from the fans or even the media? That's no longer a new thing in this sports.

And besides that news that leak . . . was immediately denied by Roach. Officially there was no decission yet.

There might have not been an official decision yet, but those articles that were pointing to a Pac fight with Diaz, also had quotes from Pac's mouth, that would make one think that he had chosen Diaz, such as the JMM fight will be bigger if we both come in as Champion.
.....this from a fighter who has never cared a shit to pay sancitoning fees to carry a belt!:roll:

....but as I said, I'll give Pac credit for hearing the voice of his own fans and caving in to their demands.
That shows me that Pac cares what the fans think of him. Good for Pac!:good

[psychopath]

There might have not been an official decision yet, but those articles that were pointing to a Pac fight with Diaz, also had quotes from Pac's mouth, that would make one think that he had chosen Diaz, such as the JMM fight will be bigger if we both come in as Champion.
.....this from a fighter who has never cared a shit to pay sancitoning fees to carry a belt!:roll:

....but as I said, I'll give Pac credit for hearing the voice of his own fans and caving in to their demands.
That shows me that Pac cares what the fans think of him. Good for Pac!:good

I'm just happy it's finally gonna happen. :good

[divac]

hold your horses,it's not official yet.

That may be true.....but after hearing so many times that Diaz was the choice, this is the first time that we hear that its JMM.

That alone is cause for celebration!

At the very least, we know that if the fight does'nt press through, its not because of the financial aspect of it, as it looks like both sides have agreed to terms!

Its really in Pac's hands. I cant see him saying, nah, I change my mind again, its Diaz!:patsch :!:
Only Patsys who's afraid that JMM is fresher than Pac would be happy with that announcement!:deal :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[divac]

If the money is right, the fight will be made, and TopDog's avatar will crush carras's avatar.

Thats not fair Tdog, you avatar outnumbers Carras' three to one, and they're all carrying belts with big buckles to use as weapons!:think :D ;)

[carras]

If the money is right, the fight will be made, and TopDog's avatar will crush carras's avatar.

hopefully we'll find out soon.




Still......

cotto crushes people, mayweather skates around them.:good

[4Rounder]

More good news, each day we get a step closer for this fight getting signed and ready. :thumbsup

I just can't wait for March, it will be the month of the Marquez brothers. Whoever wins or loses, it will be an explosive month. :D

Pac fanatics, start acting like real boxing fans already and hope this fight gets made, its a fight for the boxing world to see. I don't think anybody can recall from the top of their head the last time 2 of the top 3 best fighters in the world of boxing facing each other. Its beyond money. Its pride, honor, a score to settle. :smoke

[psychopath]

Looks like PAcman's days are numbered.

Nah nah nah :nono . . . you're days are numbered my bitch. :yep

:lol: :rofl

:hi:

[puga_ni_nana]

I don't think anybody can recall from the top of their head the last time 2 of the top 3 best fighters in the world of boxing facing each other. Its beyond money. Its pride, honor, a score to settle. :smoke

if mayweather doesn't sign cotto as his next opponent, would you all agree with me that this is for p4p#1 fighter distinction?

[divac]

if mayweather doesn't sign cotto as his next opponent, would you all agree with me that this is for p4p#1 fighter distinction?

Ricky Hatton could very well beat Mayweather in a couple of weeks.....
....if so, JMM-Pac could very well be for P4P supremacy!!!:bbb :yep

[kg0208]

if mayweather doesn't sign cotto as his next opponent, would you all agree with me that this is for p4p#1 fighter distinction?

Not really. PBF just fought DLH and Pacquiao fought MAB. That's a wash, if not slightly in favor of PBF.

PBF is now fighting Hatton. If he wins, Pacquaio beating JMM isn't going to move PBF from #1 unless it was a controversial decision. Sure JMM is rated higher than Hatton by most, but Hatton is still a P4P ranked prime unbeaten champion.

Besides, PBF could fight the winner of Cintron/Williams and still not look too bad. Cotto is the #1 option obviously.

[4Rounder]

if mayweather doesn't sign cotto as his next opponent, would you all agree with me that this is for p4p#1 fighter distinction?

I don't think so, as long as its not another David Diaz then he will keep his spot. Cotto, Williams/Cintron winner, Margarito, and even Mosley are fine choices by me.

[Amsterdam]

Ricky Hatton could very well beat Mayweather in a couple of weeks.....
....if so, JMM-Pac could very well be for P4P supremacy!!!:bbb :yep


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[hellblazer]

Let's get it on!!

[Amsterdam]

Not really. PBF just fought DLH and Pacquiao fought MAB. That's a wash, if not slightly in favor of PBF.

PBF is now fighting Hatton. If he wins, Pacquaio beating JMM isn't going to move PBF from #1 unless it was a controversial decision. Sure JMM is rated higher than Hatton by most, but Hatton is still a P4P ranked prime unbeaten champion.

Besides, PBF could fight the winner of Cintron/Williams and still not look too bad. Cotto is the #1 option obviously.

JMM is a better fighter than Hatton, period. Wrongfully P4P ranked, overrated and unbeaten doesn't match one of the more skillful boxer-puncher stylists of the generation, one who still looks pretty good also, I'm sorry.

I know you want to glorify this coming Floyd win, but Hatton simply is not a true elite fighter.

[puga_ni_nana]

Not really. PBF just fought DLH and Pacquiao fought MAB. That's a wash, if not slightly in favor of PBF.

PBF is now fighting Hatton. If he wins, Pacquaio beating JMM isn't going to move PBF from #1 unless it was a controversial decision. Sure JMM is rated higher than Hatton by most, but Hatton is still a P4P ranked prime unbeaten champion.

Besides, PBF could fight the winner of Cintron/Williams and still not look too bad. Cotto is the #1 option obviously.

if he fights cotto or williams, i have no problem with that. but keep in mind that pacquiao is staking much in this fight with marquez, who in my and others opinion, can really beat him even in such an advance age. marquez is p4p#3/4 guy in most of the fans list. and if the gap between mayweather and pacquiao is not that big, this fight is the way to do it.

its not a barrera2 or morales3 anymore. pacquiao can really lose this time around.

[4Rounder]

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Come on Amsterdam, remember Judah over Cotto, Freitas over Diaz, Peter winning by easy KO, etc, etc...??? :-(

Hatton is a very dangerous opponent to be taken lightly. I will lean on PBF winning but it will be a hard earned victory.

[Amsterdam]

Come on Amsterdam, remember Judah over Cotto, Freitas over Diaz, Peter winning by easy KO, etc, etc...??? :-(

Hatton is a very dangerous opponent to be taken lightly. I will lean on PBF winning but it will be a hard earned victory.

Hatton is not in the least bit a dangerous opponent for Floyd, he's absolutely, 100% tailor made for him and people think that all pressure fighters are the same and that all pressure fighters will stylistically mess with Floyd.

Hatton doesn't even have a consistent, stiff jab to deploy, he's just going to get hammered.

How about this, if Hatton doesn't win a round and gets smashed to bits, will you admit that Hatton was overrated by the British media, which then spread all over the boxing world due to people thinking he was a likable guy and him being matched well.

Defensive counter puncher>Hatton's style.

Now, who's the best defensive counter puncher in the sport?:yep

A little guy named Floyd Mayweather perhaps?:yep

The good part about your post was that only a handful of my picks this year were dead wrong and the rest were right or in the area of being right with the winner being correct.

[puga_ni_nana]

JMM is a better fighter than Hatton, period. Wrongfully P4P ranked, overrated and unbeaten doesn't match one of the more skillful boxer-puncher stylists of the generation, one who still looks pretty good also, I'm sorry.

I know you want to glorify this coming Floyd win, but Hatton simply is not a true elite fighter.

hatton is a good win for mayweather. i will compare it to pacquiao fighting barrera a second time around where pac/mayweather is expected to win, but hatton/barrera is good enough to pull an upset.

[4Rounder]

Hatton is not in the least bit a dangerous opponent for Floyd, he's absolutely, 100% tailor made for him and people think that all pressure fighters are the same and that all pressure fighters will stylistically mess with Floyd.

Hatton doesn't even have a consistent, stiff jab to deploy, he's just going to get hammered.

How about this, if Hatton doesn't win a round and gets smashed to bits, will you admit that Hatton was overrated by the British media, which then spread all over the boxing world due to people thinking he was a likable guy and him being matched well.

Defensive counter puncher>Hatton's style.

Now, who's the best defensive counter puncher in the sport?:yep

A little guy named Floyd Mayweather perhaps?:yep

The good part about your post was that only a handful of my picks this year were dead wrong and the rest were right or in the area of being right with the winner being correct.
Sure why not, Hatton is also one of the best pressure fighters in the sport right now. He is guaranteed to win at least one round. :yep
I don't really care much about your picks though, I had most of my picks this year being correct as well, whatever you want to make of it.

I am curious though, how did you score Guzman-Soto?

[kg0208]

JMM is a better fighter than Hatton, period. Wrongfully P4P ranked, overrated and unbeaten doesn't match one of the more skillful boxer-puncher stylists of the generation, one who still looks pretty good also, I'm sorry.

I know you want to glorify this coming Floyd win, but Hatton simply is not a true elite fighter.

Hatton's accomplishments in the ring speak for themselves. Your analysis is YOUR analysis and nothing more or less to me. The only person here trying to influence something one way or another is you. I have no need to glorify anything, I don't take this as personal as you do.

And I don't believe I have gotten much wrong in the way of picks OR analysis this year. So I think I am comfortable on my own.

[Amsterdam]

Sure why not, Hatton is also one of the best pressure fighters in the sport right now. He is guaranteed to win at least one round. :yep

I am curious though, how did you score Guzman-Soto?

I scored it 117-111, I told everyone it was going to be an easy Guzman win and laid out why, many thought Soto had a good chance, now Soto is just a bum apparantley.

So my goal is for these awful Hatton fans to have it thrown back into their faces for overrating this very solid, but non-elite guy up as if he were a top P4P/potential ATG type of guy, which he clearly is not.

And hey 4 rounder, he's not one of the best pressure guys in the sport, he's the best rough housing swarmer in the sport, but one who is exceptionally tailor made for a good counter puncher with a good defence, if you get my drift.

Traditional pressure works behind fundamentals, such as a stiff jab and good timing, which Cotto and Castillo both present to Floyd, Castillo giving many problems back in the day. Cotto would defeat Floyd in my opinion, close fight either way.

Floyd/Hatton is a wipe out, it'll make Floyd look REALLY good, not quite as good as he did vs. Gatti, but in that general realm and all because of styles and intangibles, thus why Floyd picked Hatton instead of one of the more challenging WW's.

Hatton basically has no chance, he won't win a round and he'll get thrashed.

I just hope people will realise what Hatton is afterwards, but I am here on the record beforehand so nobody can accuse me of 'talking shit after the fight', especially after they get blown away by a totally predictable performance from Floyd if you've analysed the overrated situation involving Ricky Hatton.

It's going to be a bloodbath.

[Amsterdam]

Hatton's accomplishments in the ring speak for themselves. Your analysis is YOUR analysis and nothing more or less to me. The only person here trying to influence something one way or another is you. I have no need to glorify anything, I don't take this as personal as you do.

Having to use a lot of excessive illegal tactics and a hometown ref to defeat an aging, inactive HOF'er?

Other than the Tszyu win, which he deserved his P4P spot after it despite the way he won, he's KOed a totally shot Castillo, he's shown IMMENSE flaws, he was peppered and countered and stunned nasty by a B level WW in Luis Collazo, showing serious stylistic flaws to a counter puncher with a sense of defence, showed weakness to the body against a C level Urango and KOed Maussa really nice.

He's just shown me to be a good fighter, but a ton of flaws.

Certainly isn't on the level of a Juan Manuel Marquez and he's PERFECT for a real elite, like Floyd or Cotto for example, to absolutely blow away and get acclaim for it because people don't realise his limitations due to the hype surrounding him.

If he doesn't win a round and get totally annihilated, will you at least admit that Floyd picked him for that reason? Because even Baldomir made Floyd pot shot and due a little running.:yep

[4Rounder]

I scored it 117-111, I told everyone it was going to be an easy Guzman win and laid out why, many thought Soto had a good chance, now Soto is just a bum apparantley.

I scored it 115-113 for Guzman. Soto did have a chance but Guzman played his cards well. And Soto a bum? oh my :?. Showing some bias there Amster, but whatever.



It's going to be a bloodbath.

I don't know about this one. :!:

[Amsterdam]

I scored it 115-113 for Guzman. Soto did have a chance but Guzman played his cards well. And Soto a bum? oh my :?. Showing some bias there Amster, but whatever.




I don't know about this one. :!:

You are very liberal in giving rounds to a guy who lands very little and gets countered well then, maybe Hatton will win a few pity rounds off of you mate. But he's still getting beaten up pretty badly and stopped in a one sided fight.

And no, Soto is not a bum, I meant that sarcastically as in an attempt for the Soto supporters(Pac fanatics in fear of the mystical Guzzy), they now have detested Soto and act like they didn't support him. Thus, the 'apparantley Soto is now a bum since Guzman outclassed him' remark from me, citing boxing fans foolishness.

[4Rounder]

And no, Soto is not a bum, I meant that sarcastically as in an attempt for the Soto supporters(Pac fanatics in fear of the mystical Guzzy), they now have detested Soto and act like they didn't support him. Thus, the 'apparantley Soto is now a bum since Guzman outclassed him' remark from me, citing boxing fans foolishness.

Very well then, understandable seeing who we gotta deal with. :smoke

[puga_ni_nana]

Very well then, understandable seeing who we gotta deal with. :smoke

well, soto is a bum. he was rocked so hard by bobby (another bum) that he used the remaining time and the next round just to recover.

[reed_man02]

well, soto is a bum. he was rocked so hard by bobby (another bum) that he used the remaining time and the next round just to recover.

Kinda reminds me of the cotto/torres fight.

[psychopath]

That's just speculation on your part. You only see what you choose to see. It was printed there for all to see days ago that JMM agreed to terms. You don't know when GBP agreed, only when it was reported that Pacquiao's team confirmed that GBP agreed. They could have agreed last week for all you know, and seeing as how it was reported that the offer was more than reasonable from GBP days ago (and that info came from Pacquiao's camp and was posted here by Pacquiao fans), I am inclined to think that your "ploy" statement is wrong.

They could have agreed? Could have? :yep

That's excatly what you call a speculation. :lol:

Let me refresh your memory. What was printed was JMM agreeing for the pay cut and going up to 135 just make the fight happen, no mention of all other terms. Arum said it's reasonable but Pac still have to make the final choice. Pac made the decission, so we're now here in this position.

What you're missing are all the press releases that says Pac is inclined on fighting Diaz which pressured Team JMM and GBP to give in up to the last demand. So isn't that a ploy?

Now . . . if you're reffering to the article that says Pac dropped JMM and chose David Diaz after JMM's declaration, that was a clear fabricated lie which Roach immediately rebutted the same day it was put in print. Pac hasn't made a decission at that point yet. So it's useless to use that as refference :deal

Yeah right . . . you only see what you chose to see . . . that exactly applies to you.

:D :lol:

[Amsterdam]

well, soto is a bum. he was rocked so hard by bobby (another bum) that he used the remaining time and the next round just to recover.

And here is a prime example of the moronic factors that I was talking about. Nobody said Soto was a true elite, we just said that he was a very good fighter, perhaps B+ level, right under the elite.

[Spitfire7]

Finally (after all the wranglings, the endless debates, etc, etc)! The Match-up of the Decade.

:happy :happy :happy

Pac T/KO's JMM to retirementland in 9-10.

[puga_ni_nana]

And here is a prime example of the moronic factors that I was talking about. Nobody said Soto was a true elite, we just said that he was a very good fighter, perhaps B+ level, right under the elite.

just kidding. i know soto is good fighter. and guzman had a good win against a certified contender. unfortunately, guzman will not get a fight against pacquiao or marquez right at this time. i hope he gets his career-defining fight soon.

[puga_ni_nana]

Kinda reminds me of the cotto/torres fight.

that was a war! :good

[koko of phil]

This is great news! Good for both fighters and the boxing fans! :good

[SugarShane_24]

look, let's all just hope for the best and pray this is indeed the fight that will happen.


I am speaking from Pac's side so for me I have no problem with him fighting David Diaz as it's still a title fight that will lead to a bigger fight with Juan Diaz. If Pac becomes the undisputed champ at 135, his lagecy would be secured regardless of whether he fights Marquez or not.


On the other hand, 135 can wait. He should just silence his critics and beat Marquez. This is a title fight anyway, and a surefire ticket to snare the P4P#1 from Mayweather should he win impressively. Imagine how big the name Pacquiao will be if he beats Marquez, becomes a 3 time world champ, beats the Diazes, become a 4 time world champ and undisputed champ at 135. He'll be the greatest asian fighter who ever lived.

[knockout]

Kool,i hope he takes is training seriously this time,Pac by tko.

[retriever]

Pac by k.o round 17.

[Biggame]

Not official yet, but let's hope it is within the week or so! It looks good!

I have JMM by UD, w/the possibility of a late stoppage!

[Dorfmeister]

I suggest that the Marquez who beat Juarez, upsets the favourite Pacquiao the same way. Marquez has a consistent, sharp left jab and works very well off the jab to the body at a even pace from start to finish. Manny is stronger and more intense coming in spurts as the aggressor, however is still driven outa balance and can't counter-punch Marquez - Marquez UD12.

[coffeehunk]

look, let's all just hope for the best and pray this is indeed the fight that will happen.


I am speaking from Pac's side so for me I have no problem with him fighting David Diaz as it's still a title fight that will lead to a bigger fight with Juan Diaz. If Pac becomes the undisputed champ at 135, his lagecy would be secured regardless of whether he fights Marquez or not.


On the other hand, 135 can wait. He should just silence his critics and beat Marquez. This is a title fight anyway, and a surefire ticket to snare the P4P#1 from Mayweather should he win impressively. Imagine how big the name Pacquiao will be if he beats Marquez, becomes a 3 time world champ, beats the Diazes, become a 4 time world champ and undisputed champ at 135. He'll be the greatest asian fighter who ever lived.


I agree:good

[rjamesd1]

Dream On "black"....dream On...after The Fight, Your Dialogue's Gonna Be....he's 35 Years Old ...what Do You Expect!!!! Pathetic...can't You Be A Good Sport Even Once In Your Life?

[4Rounder]

My pick is already Marquez by wide UD.

Marquez has not slipped enough to make a difference.
Pacquiao has not improved enough to make a difference.

It shall be a good fight.

[Silvermags]

black, divac, 4rounder, uliuli, acb, sojernep, compkiller

students,


start flxing your mouth and say this.....

"JMM LOST BECAUSE HE"S 34 YEARS OLD" :rofl :rofl

you gonna need this practice after the day pac murders your hero :lol: :good :good :good

Another interesting EXPECTED comments after the fight " JMM could have school pacman and Knocked him out IF THE FIGHT HAPPENED DURING JMM's prime" :rofl :nut :| :patsch

[chimba]

I suggest that the Marquez who beat Juarez, upsets the favourite Pacquiao the same way. Marquez has a consistent, sharp left jab and works very well off the jab to the body at a even pace from start to finish. Manny is stronger and more intense coming in spurts as the aggressor, however is still driven outa balance and can't counter-punch Marquez - Marquez UD12.

The unimpressive JMM who beat a one eyed Juarez? ok

[divac]

:good :good :good

Another interesting EXPECTED comments after the fight " JMM could have school pacman and Knocked him out IF THE FIGHT HAPPENED DURING JMM's prime" :rofl :nut :| :patsch

You know, all these pre-excuses are coming from the Pac side of fans......
......:patsch Christ, they already have the Pac excuses for a loss down pat, that they cant help themselves but to practice by doing so for JMM!:lol: :D


Let there be no excuses my friends. Both JMM and Pac are coming off looking solid, in each of their recent fights.

There has been nothing in their recent fight activity to indicate that there has been significant deterioration from either fighter.

The best fighter will win in March.....cut, paste, and save it as a divac quote!:cool:

[chimba]

You know, all these pre-excuses are coming from the Pac side of fans......
......:patsch Christ, they already have the Pac excuses for a loss down pat, that they cant help themselves but to practice by doing so for JMM!:lol: :D


Let there be no excuses my friends. Both JMM and Pac are coming off looking solid, in each of their recent fights.

There has been nothing in their recent fight activity to indicate that there has been significant deterioration from either fighter.

The best fighter will win in March.....cut, paste, and save it as a divac quote!:cool:


I agree. The playing field is equal.
Both fighters are a point where they're even.
Ring wars for PAC...Age for JMM.
Even when you count both excuses..it comes out even..
so the better fighter will win..with or without excuses

[kg0208]

They could have agreed? Could have? :yep

That's excatly what you call a speculation. :lol:

Let me refresh your memory. What was printed was JMM agreeing for the pay cut and going up to 135 just make the fight happen, no mention of all other terms. Arum said it's reasonable but Pac still have to make the final choice. Pac made the decission, so we're now here in this position.

What you're missing are all the press releases that says Pac is inclined on fighting Diaz which pressured Team JMM and GBP to give in up to the last demand. So isn't that a ploy?

Now . . . if you're reffering to the article that says Pac dropped JMM and chose David Diaz after JMM's declaration, that was a clear fabricated lie which Roach immediately rebutted the same day it was put in print. Pac hasn't made a decission at that point yet. So it's useless to use that as refference :deal

Yeah right . . . you only see what you chose to see . . . that exactly applies to you.

:D :lol:

More emoticons to mask the bad content of your post. All of the posts and media releases are their in black and white. Inserting your own opinions on the releases doesn't change what they said.

Easy timeline.

JMM says he agrees to Pacquiao's terms and that he is willing to make the fight.

Then there are releases saying Pacquiao is going to fight Diaz.

Now they are saying he is going to fight JMM.

So tell me oh psycho one, how does something that happens AFTER JMM agrees to terms influence JMM? How is it a ploy to make JMM do something he has already done? You mention JMM not agreeing to ALL the terms...really? Which ones? You don't know....you're speculating, which was my point. My speculation was only to illustrate the other possible things going on so that you could not pass off your speculation as fact.

[psychopath]

More emoticons to mask the bad content of your post. All of the posts and media releases are their in black and white. Inserting your own opinions on the releases doesn't change what they said.

Easy timeline.

JMM says he agrees to Pacquiao's terms and that he is willing to make the fight.

Then there are releases saying Pacquiao is going to fight Diaz.

Now they are saying he is going to fight JMM.

So tell me oh psycho one, how does something that happens AFTER JMM agrees to terms influence JMM? How is it a ploy to make JMM do something he has already done? You mention JMM not agreeing to ALL the terms...really? Which ones? You don't know....you're speculating, which was my point. My speculation was only to illustrate the other possible things going on so that you could not pass off your speculation as fact.

Well you always wanted to look the otherway. :D

Didn't you read what was posted? :-(

There was a press release that Pac will fight Diaz after the JMM declaration . . . that was a press release which was proven not true so why are you taking that as refference?

What I'm saying are the press releases prior to JMM's declaration. Like it or not, admit it or not those press releases about Valero, Juan Diaz or David Diaz being the possible opponent pressured JMM to accept the pay cut.

No other reason . . . and it only shows who's desperate. :lol:

That's the ploy I'm talking about.

Here for further refference:

I believe 60/40 is fair enough . . . Pac and his team should agree to that. If they don't then I believe that the reason is something else. :yep

As I said everything now are just talks . . . so I'm not losing hope. These press releases might just be a ploy to find out who's gonna budge down in the talks.

Now let's not end up here . . . by you saying you're not interested in my explanation anyway.

Don't antagonize the emoticons to shy away from the real issue.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[Silvermags]

kg0280,

Bottom line is that there will be PACMAN vs JMM2 by march next year period. More important thing is for you together with the pac haters is that wether you will give credit to pacman if he wins? If despite the win you would not give credit at LEAST AS EARLY AS NOW WE KNOW WHERE YOU STAND?!

It would be soooooooooo ironic that JMM fans is practically BEGGING that PACMAN should fight JMM coz JMM is the undisputed 130lbs champ correct?! NOW if HE LOSES!

PLS DON'T GIVE THE CRAP THAT JMM is OVER THE HILL and he is PAST HIS PRIME ETC..... In the first place you wanted this fight soooooooo much right?!!

If JMM wins especially by UD or KO, NO problem PACMAN lost to a better fighter. NOW, if PACMAN WINS WHAT WOULD YOU and the rest of pac haters would SAY?!!!!

[chimba]

kg0280,

Bottom line is that there will be PACMAN vs JMM2 by march next year period. More important thing is for you together with the pac haters is that wether you will give credit to pacman if he wins? If despite the win you would not give credit at LEAST AS EARLY AS NOW WE KNOW WHERE YOU STAND?!

It would be soooooooooo ironic that JMM fans is practically BEGGING that PACMAN should fight JMM coz JMM is the undisputed 130lbs champ correct?! NOW if HE LOSES!

PLS DON'T GIVE THE CRAP THAT JMM is OVER THE HILL and he is PAST HIS PRIME ETC..... In the first place you wanted this fight soooooooo much right?!!

If JMM wins especially by UD or KO, NO problem PACMAN lost to a better fighter. NOW, if PACMAN WINS WHAT WOULD YOU and the rest of pac haters would SAY?!!!!

KG is not a hater. He just have this propensity to scrutinize every post from PAc fans and argue with them. He likes to keep them in line and stifle their excitement. But lo and behold when PAC beats JMM in March. KG will be "Yeah baby PAC mah Boy:happy :happy woooo!!!"

[kg0208]

Well you always wanted to look the otherway. :D

Didn't you read what was posted? :-(

There was a press release that Pac will fight Diaz after the JMM declaration . . . that was a press release which was proven not true so why are you taking that as refference?

What I'm saying are the press releases prior to JMM's declaration. Like it or not, admit it or not those press releases about Valero, Juan Diaz or David Diaz being the possible opponent pressured JMM to accept the pay cut.

No other reason . . . and it only shows who's desperate. :lol:

That's the ploy I'm talking about.

Now let's not end up here . . . by you saying you're not interested in my explanation anyway.

Don't antagonize the emoticons to shy away from the real issue.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

You keep referencing all these other press releases, but ignoring other ones because they support your theory. How easy it is to pick and choose. Not to mention, you never mentioned them originally, but insinuated that the press releases saying he was fighting Diaz just the day before were a good ploy, not the press releases from weeks ago.

You keep referring to me wanting to look the other way. Why, because I won't agree with your ramblings on who Pacquiao should be fighting and your pathetic defense (and more speculation) of David Diaz as a viable option? No one but a few Pacfans agreed with you. It's called reality instead of making things up.

Lastly, a ploy makes no logical sense to begin with. Pacquiao walked away from the negotiating table years ago when he wasn't as big as he is now based on JMM asking for too much. This let JMM know that Pacquiao would only fight him on his terms to begin with, so if JMM wanted the fight, he would have to agree to certain terms. It set a pretty strong precedent. JMM knew this could happen this time, so there was no need for a ploy to begin with. Pacquiao and Arum know this. It would be redundant. No, Pacquiao was actually weighing other options, not trying to lure JMM to accept any terms. JMM already knew Pacquiao was capable of walking away.....

[kg0208]

kg0280,

Bottom line is that there will be PACMAN vs JMM2 by march next year period. More important thing is for you together with the pac haters is that wether you will give credit to pacman if he wins? If despite the win you would not give credit at LEAST AS EARLY AS NOW WE KNOW WHERE YOU STAND?!

It would be soooooooooo ironic that JMM fans is practically BEGGING that PACMAN should fight JMM coz JMM is the undisputed 130lbs champ correct?! NOW if HE LOSES!

PLS DON'T GIVE THE CRAP THAT JMM is OVER THE HILL and he is PAST HIS PRIME ETC..... In the first place you wanted this fight soooooooo much right?!!

If JMM wins especially by UD or KO, NO problem PACMAN lost to a better fighter. NOW, if PACMAN WINS WHAT WOULD YOU and the rest of pac haters would SAY?!!!!

Wow....first, at least get my name right. It's very easy to do.

For your reference in the future. My quote from the first page of this thread.

Good for him....if it's true that is........cuz Diaz would have been pathetic.

Pacquiao KO 9th round.

Here's another for you.

Too bad I wasn't being sarcastic. You go find me a post where I ever pick Marquez to beat Pacquiao in the rematch. Said ages ago that he couldn't beat Pacquiao at this point in their careers. Cute try though.

So what are you on about again? You see me arguing with someone who is a fellow Pacquiao fan and you don't even bother to find out about what. I criticized Pacquiao for thinking of David Diaz who was the least of the 4 fighters on the slate. I am not a JMM fan, nor have I ever been.

[psychopath]

You keep referencing all these other press releases, but ignoring other ones because they support your theory. How easy it is to pick and choose. Not to mention, you never mentioned them originally, but insinuated that the press releases saying he was fighting Diaz just the day before were a good ploy, not the press releases from weeks ago.

You keep referring to me wanting to look the other way. Why, because I won't agree with your ramblings on who Pacquiao should be fighting and your pathetic defense (and more speculation) of David Diaz as a viable option? No one but a few Pacfans agreed with you. It's called reality instead of making things up.

Lastly, a ploy makes no logical sense to begin with. Pacquiao walked away from the negotiating table years ago when he wasn't as big as he is now based on JMM asking for too much. This let JMM know that Pacquiao would only fight him on his terms to begin with, so if JMM wanted the fight, he would have to agree to certain terms. It set a pretty strong precedent. JMM knew this could happen this time, so there was no need for a ploy to begin with. Pacquiao and Arum know this. It would be redundant. No, Pacquiao was actually weighing other options, not trying to lure JMM to accept any terms. JMM already knew Pacquiao was capable of walking away.....

Cut the crap buddy.

The point is I have been calling those press releases a ploy long before JMM made a declaration. That is what it is.

If you'll check my past posts I always says I'm confident that this fight will happen despite all these bullshit talks.

That's not a theory . . . that's fact.

Now you stop your rambling and just live with it. I understand that you haters got humilated by calling Pac names based on press releases which came out as mere hypes . . . and I can understand why you are agitated. :yep

[kg0208]

Cut the crap buddy.

The point is I have been calling those press releases a ploy long before JMM made a declaration. That is what it is.

If you'll check my past posts I always says I'm confident that this fight will happen despite all these bullshit talks.

That's not a theory . . . that's fact.

Now you stop your rambling and just live with it. :yep

You can call them what you like. What YOU say has little to do with what's actually going on. What would be the point of the ploy? Pacquaio held all the negotiating power to begin with. I think it's you who needs to cut the crap. But hey, think whatever you need to to help you feel smart and in the know.

[psychopath]

You can call them what you like. What YOU say has little to do with what's actually going on. What would be the point of the ploy? Pacquaio held all the negotiating power to begin with. I think it's you who needs to cut the crap. But hey, think whatever you need to to help you feel smart and in the know.

What's actually going on? :rofl

You still refuse to accept the truth . . . few months ago . . . it's a very different scenario. Now after all these bullshit press releases JMM suddenly gave in . . . what is it like? :lol:

If that's not a ploy by team Pac . . . maybe JMM and his team gave in because of prayers.

:lol: :hi:

[kg0208]

What's actually going on? :rofl

You still refuse to accept the truth . . . few months ago . . . it's a very different scenario. Now after all these bullshit press releases JMM suddenly gave in . . . what is it like? :lol:

If that's not a ploy by team Pac . . . maybe JMM and his team gave in because of prayers.

:lol: :hi:

It's the truth because you have deemed it so? But going back even further, as I said, Pacquiao had already shown JMM that he was capable of walking away from the negotiating table if his demands were not met or if he felt JMM was overpricing himself. That already sent the message to JMM that if he truly wanted this fight, he would have to make concessions. Your ploy theory is simply speculation. You have failed to answer my question two times now. What would be the purpose of this ploy considering the previous situation AND that Pacquiao held the negotiating power.

[psychopath]

It's the truth because you have deemed it so? But going back even further, as I said, Pacquiao had already shown JMM that he was capable of walking away from the negotiating table if his demands were not met or if he felt JMM was overpricing himself. That already sent the message to JMM that if he truly wanted this fight, he would have to make concessions. Your ploy theory is simply speculation. You have failed to answer my question two times now. What would be the purpose of this ploy considering the previous situation AND that Pacquiao held the negotiating power.

Yeah speculation according to you. :happy

Well it's either your not using your head or you're really dumb . . . or is this a trick so so can say I'm speculating again? :lol:

Anyway . . . I'll just pretend you don't know shit and explain what I'm saying.

Negotiation goes with GBP and TOP RANK not between TOP RANK or Pac straight to JMM. And since JMM is a GBP fighter GBP will ensure they'll get most out of the fight. Even if JMM agrees, GBP still have tyo make the final negotiation. So what team Pac did is to make it appear that he's going up in weight to fight the 135 lbers or some other fighters. Pac has the reserved date on March 15 with HBO not JMM or GBP.

Results? GBP lost their bargaining chips on the table and JMM was forced to accept the conditions.

That's the ploy I'm talking about. :yep

[kg0208]

Yeah speculation according to you. :happy

Well it's either your not using your head or you're really dumb . . . or is this a trick so so can say I'm speculating again? :lol:

Anyway . . . I'll just pretend you don't know shit and explain what I'm saying.

Negotiation goes with GBP and TOP RANK not between TOP RANK or Pac straight to JMM. And since JMM is a GBP fighter GBP will ensure they'll get most out of the fight. Even if JMM agrees, GBP still have tyo make the final negotiation. So what team Pac did is to make it appear that he's going up in weight to fight the 135 lbers or some other fighters. Pac has the reserved date on March 15 with HBO not JMM or GBP.

Results? GBP lost their bargaining chips on the table and JMM was forced to accept the conditions.

That's the ploy I'm talking about. :yep
You don't know what went on between GBP and Top Rank or when it did. That was the whole point in the first place. You have no clue when the offer was made from GBP to Top Rank. Thus, you are speculating. You are taking your theory and fitting other facts into it instead of the other way around. GBP may have agreed with Top Rank's demands right after the JMM-Juarez fight, and Pacquiaos team explored more options. You don't know...that's the point. It looks to me that you are simply trying to make an excuse for Pacquiao considering David Diaz. Trying to play it off as a ploy instead of what it really was.

And you still haven't answered my question. What was the point of the ploy giving the circumstances and the prior history of Pacquiao walking away? Your theory is sensless.

[psychopath]

You don't know what went on between GBP and Top Rank or when it did. That was the whole point in the first place. You have no clue when the offer was made from GBP to Top Rank. Thus, you are speculating. You are taking your theory and fitting other facts into it instead of the other way around. GBP may have agreed with Top Rank's demands right after the JMM-Juarez fight, and Pacquiaos team explored more options. You don't know...that's the point. It looks to me that you are simply trying to make an excuse for Pacquiao considering David Diaz. Trying to play it off as a ploy instead of what it really was.

And you still haven't answered my question. What was the point of the ploy giving the circumstances and the prior history of Pacquiao walking away? Your theory is sensless.

What's the point of the ploy? Damn now I believe your dumb. Seems like your posting with out reading the responses.

The ploy is to remove JMM's and GBP's bargaining chips on the table. Read that again if you know how to read.

Now check this out :

I believe 60/40 is fair enough . . . Pac and his team should agree to that. If they don't then I believe that the reason is something else. :yep

As I said everything now are just talks . . . so I'm not losing hope. These press releases might just be a ploy to find out who's gonna budge down in the talks.

And you're saying that I only said that ploy a day ago? Making excuses for picking David Diaz?

Check the date and time of posting. HERE'S THE LINK:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Who's speculating now? :yep

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[kg0208]

BTW, before this goes any further, let me point out how desperate this looks on your part. I (and Divac) point out to you that JMM made the comments before the Diaz speculation of a signed fight was made, thus making your theory of a ploy useless, and you counter basically saying that "It has to go through the promoters" so GBP folded under pressure after the press releases, and that's the reason for the press release now saying their fight is on.

One, GBP and JMM never had any negotiating power. Pacquiao always was the draw and had more options.

Two, the report says this: "He's coming up with many excuses for not wanting to fight me," says an upset Marquez. "First of all, he complains about the weight class and I compromise to face him as high as the lightweight division, then he comments that the money was an issue, and I responded that wasn't a problem, I'm willing to take a pay cut to please the fans. Pacquiao also commented that he'd rather challenge for the lightweight title. All this is an indication that he's really scared and doesn't want any part of me. He knows I'm the only man who can beat him. I'll destroy him."

Obviously JMM is responding back and forth THROUGH the promoters. That is painfully easy to see. Unless you are foolish enough to believe that the back and forth over the demands are actual phone calls between Pacquiao and Marquez themselves! Stop being so desperate.

[kg0208]

What's the point of the ploy? Damn now I believe your dumb. Seems like your posting with out reading the responses.

The ploy is to remove JMM's and GBP's bargaining chips on the table. Read that again if you know how to read.

Now check this out :



And you're saying that I only said that ploy a day ago? Making excuses for picking David Diaz?

Check the date and time of posting. HERE'S THE LINK:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Who's speculating now? :yep

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol::lol::lol:

You can't read well. Who cares about what you thought and when. I am talking about whether it was ACTUALLY a ploy or not, not whether you think it is or when you thought it was.

Read your own post that you just quoted. It has nothing to do with the David Diaz fight being signed as a ploy. You are referring to the negotiations, which has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

Keep up: We are discussing whether or not the David Diaz "signed fight" was a ploy or not. What you just quoted happened BEFORE that fight was leaked as signed, and therefore has nothing to do with this. Unless you are trying to cover up your real motive as I pointed out, which is to save Pacquiao face for considering Diaz in the first place. If that's the case, I take THAT back.

As I said earlier, GBP never had any bargaining power in this fight. Your ploy theory holds no water based on past situations and there outcomes.

[psychopath]

BTW, before this goes any further, let me point out how desperate this looks on your part. I (and Divac) point out to you that JMM made the comments before the Diaz speculation of a signed fight was made, thus making your theory of a ploy useless, and you counter basically saying that "It has to go through the promoters" so GBP folded under pressure after the press releases, and that's the reason for the press release now saying their fight is on.

One, GBP and JMM never had any negotiating power. Pacquiao always was the draw and had more options.

Two, the report says this:

Obviously JMM is responding back and forth THROUGH the promoters. That is painfully easy to see. Unless you are foolish enough to believe that the back and forth over the demands are actual phone calls between Pacquiao and Marquez themselves! Stop being so desperate.

Nah nah nah :nono I won't even read your craps anymore boii . . . you keep running in circles and wasting my time.

And who's desperate?

For the records this is the second time you came in here and question my post . . . trying to find flaws in my arguement. If you think I'm like the other Pac huggers . . . you're completely mistaken. Who's desperate? I know what I'm talking about and I'm consistent. The fact is I don't care if Pac's ass get beaten black and blue . . . for as long as I see the fight I want to see.

Now go on and try your craps to somebody else not on me. :yep

[BoxingGuru]

Here we are days later and this still isn't official. Like I said, complete BS lie.

[psychopath]

Here we are days later and this still isn't official. Like I said, complete BS lie.

That won't be official until the docs got signed on December or January maybe.

But since a press con was already sched on Dec for the official announcement that's as good as a made fight. Baring any injuries from any of the fighters.

[Ninja Mantis]

I like Marquez to win that one by TKO in the late rounds after outboxing and battering Pacquaio for about 9 rounds.

I like Pacman, but lets be honest, he's pretty one dimensional. Avoid his left hooks and he's very beatable for a skilled boxer like JM Marquez. He won't be making the same mistake he made in their first fight.

Seems like Pacman is only interested in fighting older guys these days...I recall the Juan Diaz challenge to fight a young Mexican champion but...there's gotta be a mountain more money fighting Marquez. I'd love to see Pacman take on younger brother Rafael Marquez! or Vasquez!

[psychopath]

:lol: :lol: Who the fuck do you think you are, talking to KG that way? BItch, let me give you a fact. KG has more boxing knowledge in his pinky than your 35 year old pathetic ass. You novice pussy, get outa here. Trying to act like you're something.. :rofl :rofl

And who do you think you are dumbfuck . . . you came back for your bitchslapping?

Yeah come and get it boii.

What's up with your $1.3 Mil fabricated story?

:hi:

[pejevan]

I like Marquez to win that one by TKO in the late rounds after outboxing and battering Pacquaio for about 9 rounds.

I like Pacman, but lets be honest, he's pretty one dimensional. Avoid his left hooks and he's very beatable for a skilled boxer like JM Marquez. He won't be making the same mistake he made in their first fight.

Seems like Pacman is only interested in fighting older guys these days...I recall the Juan Diaz challenge to fight a young Mexican champion but...there's gotta be a mountain more money fighting Marquez. I'd love to see Pacman take on younger brother Rafael Marquez! or Vasquez!

JMM can't even KD a one-eyed Juarez.

Pac fighting Rafael or Vasquez? Pac might be accused of fighting way, way smaller guys who probably have an overrated power (they were basically throwing everything at each other but took them forever to ko each other). Besides there is nothing special about those fighters. They are not basically defensive gems. If you watch their fight (both fights), it was nothing but a slugfest (which would probably earn it a FOTY) but their was very little defense that we could be gloating about. NADA. Their offensive firepower is there but let us not talk about defense.

[Mundo]

Another "It's almost a done deal" article coming out of the Phillipines..


Forgive me if I don't cream all over the place just yet:roll:

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[chimba]

That won't be official until the docs got signed on December or January maybe.

But since a press con was already sched on Dec for the official announcement that's as good as a made fight. Baring any injuries from any of the fighters.

This is such a simple idea to grasp ...it actually amazes me... the problem is people doesnt understand the word formalities:-(

[psychopath]

Im your daddy you lil bitch. Who else? Im a person that owns your lame ass. :rofl

Daddy? :nono

Nah nah nah got to explain to this whole board about your fabricated $1.3 Mil story booii . . . stop talking about daddy's, mommy's and other bullshits.

That's not the right way to defend your name boii.



when someone is making up lies about me, i got to let them know that's not true

Remember that? :rofl

:hi:

[pejevan]

Yeah, if Pac is known for anything it's his defensive wizardry:lol:

In every Pac fight, have you ever wondered how many times had he been outlanded. Let me give you an idea. In the Pac-Mab 2 fight, Mab landed 128 while Pac landed more than double that.

Just because Pac had problems dealing with JMM counterpunching that he was an easy target. Pac's defense is in his movement. His signature dart in and out style that could probably be countered if you have the skills of JMM or Guzman. Does he stand in front of the opponent stationary? Never. In the JMM-Pac 1 (where he was supposedly schooled) fight as well as the EM-Pac 1, the punch stats were actually almost the same.

Now, the Marquez and Vasquez are not basically what you call slicster. They stand in front of you and slug it out and hope that their power would have more impact than yours. Which is a very wrong style against Pac (that does not include the fact that they are even smaller than JMM and are fighting at 122).

[kg0208]

Nah nah nah :nono I won't even read your craps anymore boii . . . you keep running in circles and wasting my time.

And who's desperate?

For the records this is the second time you came in here and question my post . . . trying to find flaws in my arguement. If you think I'm like the other Pac huggers . . . you're completely mistaken. Who's desperate? I know what I'm talking about and I'm consistent. The fact is I don't care if Pac's ass get beaten black and blue . . . for as long as I see the fight I want to see.

Now go on and try your craps to somebody else not on me. :yep
Which seems to be your way of avoiding answering my question for a third time.

I wasn't looking for flaws in your argument either time. Your post was flawed, I need not look for it. (I wasn't the only one to find them).

It's simple really. You just like to speculate and make semi-educated guesses using the facts you need while disregarding the facts you don't. If it seems I am talking in circles, it's because you never made a consistant argument.

Was the Diaz signing a ploy or not? That was the debate. You have not shown anything here that would show that it was, or introduced any actual evidence. The timeline shows JMM was accepting of the terms prior to the Diaz press release. Simple as....

[psychopath]

Which seems to be your way of avoiding answering my question for a third time.

I wasn't looking for flaws in your argument either time. Your post was flawed, I need not look for it. (I wasn't the only one to find them).

It's simple really. You just like to speculate and make semi-educated guesses using the facts you need while disregarding the facts you don't. If it seems I am talking in circles, it's because you never made a consistant argument.

Was the Diaz signing a ploy or not? That was the debate. You have not shown anything here that would show that it was, or introduced any actual evidence.

Have I mentioned any Diaz signing? What debate?

I mentioned over and over again in a lot of my posts that I feel that the press releases and bullshit talks are all just ploy by Team Pac to make the fight happen the way they want it.

You came into the picture and start twisting it around . . . what evidence do you need.

You're desperate that's what this is all about. Give it up boii.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[DobyZhee]

wait, if this fight is at 135..I'm going with Marquez. 10 oz gloves just doesn't sound right with Pac.

[kg0208]

Have I mentioned any Diaz signing? What debate?

I mentioned over and over again in a lot of my posts that I feel that the press releases and bullshit talks are all just ploy by Team Pac to make the fight happen the way they want it.

You came into the picture and start twisting it around . . . what evidence do you need.

You're desperate that's what this is all about. Give it up boii.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Damn kid. What the hell do you think we have been talking about? I have mentioned it numerous times. Divac mentioned the exact same timeline and you acknowledged it. Now all of a sudden you weren't talking about the alleged Diaz signing, even though it has been clearly mentioned as my disagreement in numerous posts? So what was the point that you were trying to make:patsch

Even so, I don't see the "ploy". If JMM was already agreeing to terms then Pacquiao's team gains nothing from saying he would fight Diaz.

To which you responded:

Well that's because you always refuse to see :-D

JMM has agreed to the terms alLright . . . what about the promoter, GBP?

It was only yesterday that it was confirmed that Pac got all his demands. :hey

So you knew we were discussing the Diaz fight as the "ploy". All this other crap you brought in isn't relevant. And if you couldn't tell that's what I was talking about, but responded to it anyways., lol...

[psychopath]

Damn kid. What the hell do you think we have been talking about? I have mentioned it numerous times. Divac mentioned the exact same timeline and you acknowledged it. Now all of a sudden you weren't talking about the alleged Diaz signing, even though it has been clearly mentioned as my disagreement in numerous posts? So what was the point that you were trying to make:patsch

What are we talking about?

This is what I have posted and where it started:

Good! Now we're talking. I knew this is going to happen. :yep

Good ploy by team Pac to make Team JMM bite the bullet.

And this:

Yeah speculation according to you. :happy

Well it's either your not using your head or you're really dumb . . . or is this a trick so so can say I'm speculating again? :lol:

Anyway . . . I'll just pretend you don't know shit and explain what I'm saying.

Negotiation goes with GBP and TOP RANK not between TOP RANK or Pac straight to JMM. And since JMM is a GBP fighter GBP will ensure they'll get most out of the fight. Even if JMM agrees, GBP still have tyo make the final negotiation. So what team Pac did is to make it appear that he's going up in weight to fight the 135 lbers or some other fighters. Pac has the reserved date on March 15 with HBO not JMM or GBP.

Results? GBP lost their bargaining chips on the table and JMM was forced to accept the conditions.

That's the ploy I'm talking about. :yep

Now what are you talking about? :yep

Who's desperate? :lol:

[kg0208]

What are we talking about?

This is what I have posted and where it started:



Now what are you talking about? :yep

Who's desperate? :lol:

Even so, I don't see the "ploy". If JMM was already agreeing to terms then Pacquiao's team gains nothing from saying he would fight Diaz.

Your response:

Well that's because you always refuse to see :-D

JMM has agreed to the terms alLright . . . what about the promoter, GBP?

It was only yesterday that it was confirmed that Pac got all his demands. :hey

So you knew on that same page exactly what I was referring to. So you knew the subject. Don't play dumb now. Your post has to be taken in context. Directly preceeding this press release were the press releases that Pacquiao was fighting Diaz. Using the ambiguity of your post to feign that you weren't speaking in context of the situation is childish at best.

[psychopath]

Your response:



So you knew on that same page exactly what I was referring to. So you knew the subject. Don't play dumb now. Your post has to be taken in context. Directly preceeding this press release were the press releases that Pacquiao was fighting Diaz. Using the ambiguity of your post to feign that you weren't speaking in context of the situation is childish at best.

You keep trying to drag it away. Did I mention Diaz? I'm reffering to the whole bunch of press releases not specifically Diaz.

Here's my original post:

Good! Now we're talking. I knew this is going to happen. :yep

Good ploy by team Pac to make Team JMM bite the bullet.

You were saying it's flawed? What's the flaw in there? :lol:

That's my opinion and it doesn't have to have evidence. That's common sense based on what had happen.

Like I said . . . give it up. :deal

[kg0208]

Negotiation goes with GBP and TOP RANK not between TOP RANK or Pac straight to JMM. And since JMM is a GBP fighter GBP will ensure they'll get most out of the fight. Even if JMM agrees, GBP still have tyo make the final negotiation. So what team Pac did is to make it appear that he's going up in weight to fight the 135 lbers or some other fighters. Pac has the reserved date on March 15 with HBO not JMM or GBP.


Your own post ruins your "I wasn't talking about Diaz" BS.

You refer to JMM's press release and say that it's not important because he can agree all he wants, but GBP gets the final negotiation. You then say that Pacquiao's team did was make it appear that he was going to fight the 135lbs or other fighters. The only fighter Pacquiao has been talking about fighting other than JMM has been Diaz at 135. He hasn't mentioned another fighter besides those two since Guzman's fight. So you were obviously referring to David Diaz as being "the ploy" that made GBP agree.

[kg0208]

You keep trying to drag it away. Did I mention Diaz? I'm reffering to the whole bunch of press releases not specifically Diaz.

Here's my original post:



You were saying it's flawed? What's the flaw in there? :lol:

That's my opinion and it doesn't have to have evidence. That's common sense based on what had happen.

Like I said . . . give it up. :deal

I said that I didn't see the ploy. I specifically referred to the David Diaz signing as I pointed out to you and quoted your response. If you carried on a debate talking about something entirely different:lol::lol::lol:

That IS your position is it not? That you weren't talking about that?

[Pat_Lowe]

cmon man:-( this will be a WAR! freaking clash of the titans
Highest rated guys to face off since Taylor/JCC I think

Roy Jones jr vs James Toney? That was #1 and #2 facing off.

[psychopath]

Your own post ruins your "I wasn't talking about Diaz" BS.

You refer to JMM's press release and say that it's not important because he can agree all he wants, but GBP gets the final negotiation. You then say that Pacquiao's team did was make it appear that he was going to fight the 135lbs or other fighters. The only fighter Pacquiao has been talking about fighting other than JMM has been Diaz at 135. He hasn't mentioned another fighter besides those two since Guzman's fight. So you were obviously referring to David Diaz as being "the ploy" that made GBP agree.

I was talking of a ploy which started long way back when even Katsidis and Valero was being considered. That tactic screwed up GBP's negotiating chips and continued until the last moment when Diaz and JMM were the only ones remaining on that list. My post on that "ploy" dates back about two months ago . . . in case you don't know.

Now on GBP, isn't that what happened? JMM already agreed but Arum and Pac didn't say anything until GBP and TOP RANK made the final talk? :hey

Don't mess this up . . . go back to the real issue.

What's flawed in my original post? You can't see the ploy? . . . that's your problem . . . but trying to drag it away from the issue won't prove your cause.

[kg0208]

I was talking of a ploy which started long way back when even Katsidis and Valero was being considered. That tactic screwed up GBP's negotiating chips and continued until the last moment when Diaz and JMM were the only ones remaining on that list. My post on that "ploy" dates back about two months ago . . . in case you don't know.

Now on GBP, isn't that what happened? JMM already agreed but Arum and Pac didn't say anything until GBP and TOP RANK made the final talk? :hey

Don't mess this up . . . go back to the real issue.

LOL...like I said, you keep talking about stuff you said months ago, but I clearly made my argument and clearly indicated I was referring to the Diaz signing. You responded once I made that clear. If you carried on a debate talking about something you said months ago, that's on you. Your post was not in that context. It doesn't say "I have been saying this for months".

[kg0208]

Roy Jones jr vs James Toney? That was #1 and #2 facing off.

#2 and #3. Whitaker was still #1.

But still big. So was DLH vs Trinidad. That was BIGGER than this fight.

[psychopath]

LOL...like I said, you keep talking about stuff you said months ago, but I clearly made my argument and clearly indicated I was referring to the Diaz signing. You responded once I made that clear. If you carried on a debate talking about something you said months ago, that's on you. Your post was not in that context. It doesn't say "I have been saying this for months".

Well you're out of line. You're the one out of context . . . you questioned my post and my opinon and drag the arguement into somewhere else . . . now you're saying I'm out of context?

Goddam boii . . . thanks for the laugh.

:lol: :rofl

[IntentionalButt]

This thread has Officially turned into several pages of argumentative garbage!

[psychopath]

This thread has Officially turned into several pages of argumentative garbage!

Well what can we do . . . somebody shows up and question soimebody's opinion says it's flawed and ask for proof.

:rofl :rofl :rofl

[IntentionalButt]

Well what can we do . . . somebody shows up and question soimebody's opinion says it's flawed and ask for proof.

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Yeah but for the 97% who haven't been involved in or following this conversation, it's pretty dauntingly long. :lol:

Any highlights? :think

[kg0208]

Well you're out of line. You're the one out of context . . . you questioned my post and my opinon and the arguement into somewhere else . . . now you're saying I'm out of context?

Goddam boii . . . thanks for the laugh.

:lol: :rofl
Surely you jest "boii" (are you five?)? I clearly made the distinction in what I was talking about. Your continuing the discussion after knowing it clearly indicates you knew the topic. But since you can't win that argument, you are falling back on your ambiguity. It was a nice try, but rather transparent.

If you were in fact referring to your own posts for the past few months, perhaps you should try a little harder to be an informative poster and actually SAY THAT. Otherwise, the regular humans who like to read in context and in linear time, will continue to be confused by your lack of information and arrogance that people actually read only your posts and would therefore "guess" that you are referring to other posts you have made not in this particular context.

[psychopath]

Stop trolling you scared old foo.. :nono Go toss your daddy's salad.

Marquez > Pacman

daddy's sald?

What does it has to do with your lies?

Explain that boii . . . what's up with the $1.3 Mil story?

:hi:

[hmi]

Psychopath and kg, make your own thread and debate all you want there. I'm not reading your posts but it takes time to look for the post of others. You two hugged the whole thread trying to find out who is out of line!

[kg0208]

Psychopath and kg, make your own thread and debate all you want there. I'm not reading your posts but it takes time to look for the post of others. You two hugged the whole thread trying to find out who is out of line!

Fair enough.

[psychopath]

Surely you jest "boii" (are you five?)? I clearly made the distinction in what I was talking about. Your continuing the discussion after knowing it clearly indicates you knew the topic. But since you can't win that argument, you are falling back on your ambiguity. It was a nice try, but rather transparent.

If you were in fact referring to your own posts for the past few months, perhaps you should try a little harder to be an informative poster and actually SAY THAT. Otherwise, the regular humans who like to read in context and in linear time, will continue to be confused by your lack of information and arrogance that people actually read only your posts and would therefore "guess" that you are referring to other posts you have made no in this particular context.

Nah nah nah :nono boii . . . next time when you question somebody's opinion . . . make sure you understand what it's all about and you don't ask for proof. :rofl

[psychopath]

Psychobitch is getting owned right now, all helpless. You look like a cunt right now Pscyhocunt. ROFL

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

If u just know how to read and understand then you'll see who's getting owned.

Just like your ass being owned everyday . . . now explain your fabricated lies . . . my bitch :yep

:hi:

[psychopath]

Psychopath and kg, make your own thread and debate all you want there. I'm not reading your posts but it takes time to look for the post of others. You two hugged the whole thread trying to find out who is out of line!

Well the guy keeps quoting my posts and opinions . . . need to respond of course. :D

[psychopath]

You're getting smacked up from left and right today punk. :lol: What a terrified bitch.

Nah your just hallucinating and hoping for it . . . my bitch. :lol:

You still have to explain your fabricated lies. :yep

:hi:

[kg0208]

hat you're missing are all the press releases that says Pac is inclined on fighting Diaz which pressured Team JMM and GBP to give in up to the last demand. So isn't that a ploy?


But you weren't talking about Diaz?

[psychopath]

But you weren't talking about Diaz?

On that part yes I was talking about Diaz . . . but the ploy didn't just start there. As I was saying it continued until Diaz and JMM were the only ones left on that list.

What's wrong with your brain? Is it hard to understand that? :-(

:lol:

[psychopath]

NAw homo, it's for real but you just can' see it. Your dumb ass..lol.. WHy do you even attempt to debate boxing with your superiors when you clearly don't have enough knowledge? You sound like a pussy, thats it.

Homo? Nah nah nah :nono . . . your bitchslaping comtnue boii . . .

while I'm debating with other poters.

Still got to explain your lies about the $1.3 Mil :yep

:hi:

[Chert]

i don't know why you peeps are still arguing. the fight that we all wanted to see has finally been made. you may have your favorites between pac and jmm. but the point is that all boxing fans no matter who they side with will see a great, great fight between the #2 and #3 p4p fighters in the world. these type of fights don't happen that much in boxing. that's why true fans should look at this fight in the context of its over-all benefit to uplifting the sport rather than wholly dwelling in just their petty boxer loyalties. in fights like this, everybody wins.

even the boxer who loses still brings home millions after this fight. and no, the loser of this fight doesn't end his career either. there is definitely no shame in losing to either the #2 and #3 fighter in the world. at the most elite level of this sport, anything can happen and anybody can win at any given moment.

[psychopath]

Did you get all motivated after reading my post, you cunt? I see that you're still trying to debate with your superior but u just sound weak and dumb..:rofl

Motivated? Bashing a loser ass like you? Nah . . . you're not a motivation . . my bitch . . . you're just a past time. :yep

Now explain your lies. :hi:
'

[psychopath]

i don't know why you peeps are still arguing. the fight that we all wanted to see has finally been made. you may have your favorites between pac and jmm. but the point is that all boxing fans no matter who they side with will see a great, great fight between the #2 and #3 p4p fighters in the world. these type of fights don't happen that much in boxing. that's why true fans should look at this fight in the context of its over-all benefit to uplifting the sport rather than wholly dwelling in just their petty boxer loyalties. in fights like this, everybody wins.

even the boxer who loses still brings home millions after this fight. and no, the loser of this fight doesn't end his career either. there is definitely no shame in losing to either the #2 and #3 fighter in the world. at the most elite level of this sport, anything can happen and anybody can win at any given fight.

I'm happy with the fight happening.

I just don't know what this guy is up to. :yep

[kg0208]

On that part yes I was talking about Diaz . . . but the ploy didn't just start there. As I was saying it continued until Diaz and JMM were the only ones left on that list.

What's wrong with your brain? Is it hard to understand that? :-(

:lol:
Except you're lying. When Diaz is first brought up as a viable opponent, you cheer it on and even defend it in other threads. You never mention it as being a ploy. You only mention later on that the press releases about the NEGOTIATIONS might be a ploy. You make no mention of Diaz and neither does the poster you quote.

So if you were talking about Diaz during our debate, it's only logical that you were talking about the same situation I was. Othewise, why in all the other Diaz vs Pac threads prior to 11-21 do you cheer and defend the decision as a stepping stone to Juan Diaz instead of saying it's a ploy to get JMM in the ring?

BTW, Roach never refuted that press release. All he said was "Who would watch that fight?" and expressed concern over Diaz's size.

[psychopath]

You're trying real hard to stay on top but you're not cut out for it. You're old and broken. You're not funny nor interesting, but keep trying.

Yeah right . . . explain your fabricated lies . . . I'm not trying to be funny . . . I'm just humilating your arrogant ass . . . my bitch.

Now explain the $1.3 Mil fabricated story. :yep :hi:

[kg0208]

i don't know why you peeps are still arguing. the fight that we all wanted to see has finally been made. you may have your favorites between pac and jmm. but the point is that all boxing fans no matter who they side with will see a great, great fight between the #2 and #3 p4p fighters in the world. these type of fights don't happen that much in boxing. that's why true fans should look at this fight in the context of its over-all benefit to uplifting the sport rather than wholly dwelling in just their petty boxer loyalties. in fights like this, everybody wins.

even the boxer who loses still brings home millions after this fight. and no, the loser of this fight doesn't end his career either. there is definitely no shame in losing to either the #2 and #3 fighter in the world. at the most elite level of this sport, anything can happen and anybody can win at any given moment.

This has nothing to do with that. I don't care who wins this fight. I said I didn't see the ploy in faking a fight with Diaz and asked him what he was talking about. His answer made no logical sense.

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Except you're lying. When Diaz is first brought up as a viable opponent, you cheer it on and even defend it in other threads. You never mention it as being a ploy. You only mention later on that the press releases about the NEGOTIATIONS might be a ploy. You make no mention of Diaz and neither does the poster you quote.

So if you were talking about Diaz during our debate, it's only logical that you were talking about the same situation I was. Othewise, why in all the other Diaz vs Pac threads prior to 11-21 do you cheer and defend the decision as a stepping stone to Juan Diaz instead of saying it's a ploy to get JMM in the ring?

Nah nah nah . . . you came in from nowhere and doesn't know what I have been saying.

I have been praying for the JMM fight but I said in the other thread if Team Pac would decide to fight Juan Diaz I guess we can't blame them They are making plans. Questions came in so I have to answer with my opinion why it's not that bad.

That doesn't mean I'm praising it.

Still desperate man . . . I really pity you. :-( :D

[kg0208]

Nah nah nah . . . you came in from now where and doesn't know what I have been saying.

I have been praying for the JMM fight but I said in the other thread if Team Pac would decide to fight Juan Diaz I guess we can't blame them They are making plans.

That doesn't mean I'm praising it.

Still desperate man . . . I really pity you. :-( :D

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P4P bother . . . P4P.

Moving up to the next weight class and fighting for a belt will further bolster this guy's claim at the p4p rankings. :yep

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Never once in any of these threads do you mention a "ploy". The first time you mention a ploy in reference to Diaz is in our debate in this thread. You defend the Diaz speculation in some of those threads. And in the thread where Diaz is announced as the next opponent, you type "Yes:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl".

BTW, as I said earlier, Roach never refuted that Diaz signing. He simply said "Who would watch that?" and then expressed concern over Diaz's size.

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Never once in any of these threads do you mention a "ploy". The first time you mention a ploy in reference to Diaz is in our debate in this thread. You defend the Diaz speculation in some of those threads. And in the thread where Diaz is announced as the next opponent, you type "Yes:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl".

BTW, as I said earlier, Roach never refuted that Diaz signing. He simply said "Who would watch that?" and then expressed concern over Diaz's size.

Not in that thread . . .I'm justifying why it's not a bad fight if team pac decides to fight Diaz that's what it is.

I'll find that article which say Roach said . . . there's definitely no decision yet.

Damn . . . you're so desperate. :-(

[kg0208]

Not in that thread . . .I'm justifying why it's not a bad fight if team pac decides to fight Diaz that's what it is.

I'll find that article which say Roach said . . . there's definitely no decision yet.

Damn . . . you're so desperate. :-(

Yes, I am so desperate I presented actual facts. Damn me....

Marquez OKs paycut just to face Pacquiao

By NICK GIONGCO

MEXICO’S JUAN Manuel Marquez is willing to lower his paycheck and give in to other demands as long as the rematch with Manny Pacquiao materializes, sources from the US said yesterday.

"I will not mention figures but the main thing is that Marquez is amenable to a paycut," said the source who has close links with Golden Boy Promotions (GBP).
Reacting to a report that David Diaz of the US has been selected by Team Pacquiao to be his opponent for March 15, 2008, the boxing man disclosed that Marquez, the reigning World Boxing Council (WBC) super-featherweight champion, is even amenable to face Pacquiao at lightweight.
Diaz holds the WBC lightweight title and is under contract with Bob Arum’s Top Rank, while Marquez fights under the Oscar De La Hoya-owned GBP.
Trainer Freddie Roach told the Bulletin that "everyone wants to see Pacquiao and Marquez once again."
"Who’s gonna watch that (Pacquiao-Diaz) fight?" asked Roach when contacted yesterday by the Bulletin during a break in training at the Wild Card in Hollywood.
Roach also expressed a bit of concern over Diaz, who, despite being an awkward fighter, "is good" and "a southpaw."
"Manny’s not been tested at lightweight," said Roach.
Pacquiao prefers to slug with right-handers and on two occasions he met a mirror-copy of his stance, he experienced problems. In April 2001 in Kidapawan, North Cotabato, Pacquiao needed seven rounds and had to bank heavily on his punching power to dispose of unknown Thai Wethya Sakmuangklang and in November in San Francisco, Pacquiao struggled against Agapito Sanchez of the Dominican Republic. The bout ended on a sixth round technical split draw.
Money appears to be the root of all the talks regarding the selection of Pacquiao’s next rival as Pacquiao and Top Rank stand to generate more income instead of a co-promotion with GBP.
If Pacquiao has indeed agreed to square off with Diaz, he will be guaranteed a hefty purse since Diaz is not expected to demand for the moon and the stars as what Marquez had done three years ago when he was offered to engage Pacquiao in a rematch.
The last time Diaz went up the ring in August — a 12-round decision win over Erik Morales in Chicago — Top Rank paid him a career-high of $ 350,000.
Pacquiao’s close friend Wakee Salud said yesterday that "if Golden Boy agrees to pay Manny $ 5 million for the Marquez rematch, there’ll be no problem."
Salud also revealed that Pacquiao is now set to depart for the US this morning (via Northwest Airlines) or tonight (via Philippine Airlines) after missing his flight yesterday morning because of his film shooting schedule.
Pacquiao’s movie is entered in the film festival for the holidays.

That article?

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Yes, I am so desperate I presented actual facts. Damn me....



That article?


No decision has been made as yet on who Manny Pacquiao’s next opponent will be according to celebrated trainer Freddie Roach.

In an overseas telephone conversation with Viva Sports/Manila Standard Today, Roach said that Pacquiao and Top Rank promoter Bob Arum “sat down and had a little lunch” during the shooting of a Nike commercial which features the Filipino ring idol in training at the Wild Card Gym of Roach.

However, Roach said “no decision has been made as yet, though” and that Arum would meet with Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer this week to look at the numbers.


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Never once in any of these threads do you mention a "ploy". The first time you mention a ploy in reference to Diaz is in our debate in this thread. You defend the Diaz speculation in some of those threads. And in the thread where Diaz is announced as the next opponent, you type "Yes:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl".

BTW, as I said earlier, Roach never refuted that Diaz signing. He simply said "Who would watch that?" and then expressed concern over Diaz's size.

Owned again. Damn.

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Well then we have 2 competing articles AFTER the supposed Diaz fight was signed. Both times Roach was interviewed, and both times he was vague. The only thing he says is that their is no decision made.

And even in this article it says:

Indications are both Arum and Pacquiao are leaning towards David Diaz. In his newspaper column in the tabloid Abante which was posted on philboxing.com Pacquiao hinted at his preference for Diaz by posing the question “isn’t it better if we fight when we are both champions?”

Sounds to me like the official announcment made yesterday, the one we are arguing in RIGHT NOW, isn't official either since this article is dated yesterday as well.

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Well then we have 2 competing articles AFTER the supposed Diaz fight was signed. Both times Roach was interviewed, and both times he was vague. The only thing he says is that their is no decision made.

And even in this article it says:



Sounds to me like the official announcment made yesterday, the one we are arguing in RIGHT NOW, isn't official either since this article is dated yesterday as well.

Well the point is that's the news I was referring to. "No decission yet"

I guess that's clear enough for you. :yep

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Owned again. Damn.

You're too quick to judge without knowing the whole story.

I know what I'm talking about. Just because I didn't mnetion the word "ploy" in justifying why it's not abd fight for Pac doesn't mean the ploy theory is not true.

:lol: :hey

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Well the point is that's the news I was referring to. "No decission yet"

I guess that's clear enough for you. :yep

That's clear enough to say nothing is signed. But I also don't think I ever read that the Diaz fight was signed, but just decided on, so I am unclear on that because guys like this use statements like these (lawyers basically) to say nothing and everything at the same time. Believe it or not, with all the misdirection going on, regardless of my arguing with you, I will not believe anything until a press conference is held and the fight is in ink.

[kg0208]

Call it a stalemate and move on you two attention whores:lol:
That would make three of us....you know damn well you are just as bad as we are:deal

Speaking of which. Where the hell is PacDBest?

[psychopath]

Call it a stalemate and move on you two attention whores:lol:

Nah nah nah . . . I have nothing against the guy. This is an objective exchanges of opinion.

:yep

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That's clear enough to say nothing is signed. But I also don't think I ever read that the Diaz fight was signed, but just decided on, so I am unclear on that because guys like this use statements like these (lawyers basically) to say nothing and everything at the same time. Believe it or not, with all the misdirection going on, regardless of my arguing with you, I will not believe anything until a press conference is held and the fight is in ink.

Well I agree on that.

I guess we don't have to be too technical like lawyers. :D

[kg0208]

I try to keep my replies to 3-5 posts per point if my intended target didn't get it by then he never will. Then I move on:good

:D

[psychopath]

AT the end of the day . . . let's just be happy this fight is pushing through.

:yep :good

[kg0208]

AT the end of the day . . . let's just be happy this fight is pushing through.

:yep :good

Well said.

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and then there was silence..........

[knockout]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.:lol:

[knockout]

No biggie pac by ko.:good

[chimba]

I told you all its official 3 days ago...