ibragimov is the real heavyweight champion

[Relentless]

he beat briggs then straight after went for unification against chagaev but chagaev became ill, so instead he faced evander holyfield and after holyfield he now wants waldo,

waldo has been fighting ray austins and calvin brocks.

:smoke

[psychopath]

he beat briggs then straight after went for unification against chagaev but chagaev became ill, so instead he faced evander holyfield and after holyfield he now wants waldo,

waldo has been fighting ray austins and calvin brocks.

:smoke

Wanting to fight is quite different from actually fighting and beating the man. Calling him the REAL Heavy weight Champ at this point is HYPING.

Bottom line . . . those unification fights needs to happen first.

For the moment it's better to just say . . . Ibragimov has the heart, the guts and the mindset of a Real Champion.

[Relentless]

Wanting to fight is quite different from actually fighting and beating the man. Calling him the REAL Heavy weight Champ at this point is HYPING.

Bottom line . . . those unification fights needs to happen first.

For the moment it's better to just say . . . Ibragimov has the heart, the guts and the mindset of a Real Champion.


or that..........

[Relentless]

Yea, right. Sultan would get crushed by Wlad. Wlad has the better skills and has beat the better fighters. Expect your boy to get KO'd by a straight right hand.

he's not my boy.......

[madkerrui]

The true heavyweight champ will emerge when everyone stops talking and bragging, and starts fighting.

[CHEF]

he beat briggs then straight after went for unification against chagaev but chagaev became ill, so instead he faced evander holyfield and after holyfield he now wants waldo,

waldo has been fighting ray austins and calvin brocks.

:smoke

Calvin Brock was an undefeated fighter at the time and considered a top level fighter and Austin was a MANDITORY.

if you remember, Wlad called out Rachman(sp?) but he lost to Maskaev who said he needed more time to recover and would not be ready to fight Wlad so wlad went after Brock. :deal :deal


They are both real champs at this time. They both deserve credit for this fight

[Relentless]

Calvin Brock was an undefeated fighter at the time and considered a top level fighter and Austin was a MANDITORY.

if you remember, Wlad called out Rachman(sp?) but he lost to Maskaev who said he needed more time to recover and would not be ready to fight Wlad so wlad went after Brock. :deal :deal


They are both real champs at this time. They both deserve credit for this fight

so waldo still wanted rahman after he was brutally ko'd by maskaev?

[tragicliston]

he beat briggs then straight after went for unification against chagaev but chagaev became ill, so instead he faced evander holyfield and after holyfield he now wants waldo,

waldo has been fighting ray austins and calvin brocks.

:smoke


So I guess that means Klitschko will be the real heavyweight champ if he beats Sultan.

[Relentless]

ofcourse.

[Zakman]

The idea that Ibragimov is the "real" HW champ is ludicrous. Doesn't matter though, he's not a gonna be a "champ" of any kind after he faces Wlad!

[Relentless]

Yes he is.

ok then he is:good

[thesandman]

Real champ??

Fuck, he doesn't even have a real belt.

And beating Shannon Briggs and Evander Holyfield? It's not 1996 any more you know.

[CHEF]

so waldo still wanted rahman after he was brutally ko'd by maskaev?

NO. Right after Wlad beat Byrd he wanted to face rahman. who was fighting Maskaev 3 weeks later. if he got past Maskaev. but rahman lost to Maskaev..Wlad tried to get a fight with Maskaev but Maskaev said he needed alot of time to recover....so wlad signed with Brock

[thesandman]

NO. Wlad wanted to face rahman... but rahman lost to Maskaev..Wlad tried to get a fight with Maskaev but Maskaev said he needed alot of time to recover....so wlad signed with Brock

Bollocks. Maskaev was unable to commit to any fights because of the bullshit going on with Wlads' big bro remember?

Vitlay is essentially fucking up any chance of the WBC being involved in unification fights until he finally decides to retire, and not keep on about his bogus emeritus status.

[CHEF]

Bollocks. Maskaev was unable to commit to any fights because of the bullshit going on with Wlads' big bro remember?

Vitlay is essentially fucking up any chance of the WBC being involved in unification fights until he finally decides to retire, and not keep on about his bogus emeritus status.

NO NO...this was before Vitali said he was comming back...this was right after Wlad beat Byrd and Maskaev beat Rahman. But you are right....Vitali comming back makes things a mess

[audio101]

Who cares if he beat Briggs, he's a lot worse then calvin brock.

[H .]

The idea that Ibragimov is the "real" HW champ is ludicrous. Doesn't matter though, he's not a gonna be a "champ" of any kind after he faces Wlad!

:yep :good

[RUSKULL]

Calvin Brock was an undefeated fighter at the time and considered a top level fighter and Austin was a MANDITORY.

if you remember, Wlad called out Rachman(sp?) but he lost to Maskaev who said he needed more time to recover and would not be ready to fight Wlad so wlad went after Brock. :deal :deal


They are both real champs at this time. They both deserve credit for this fight

Exactly.

[LennoxGOAT]

he beat briggs then straight after went for unification against chagaev but chagaev became ill, so instead he faced evander holyfield and after holyfield he now wants waldo,

waldo has been fighting ray austins and calvin brocks.

:smoke


These are the threads that hurt ESB. This is nothing more than trolling.

[barneyrub]

Ibragamov is still ahead of Wlad due to him beating Briggs who beat Lychavich who beat Brewster who beat Wlad. To recover from the Brewster loss Wlad needs to beat Ibragamov. The WBO belt he holds is irrelevant.

[nervousxtian]

Briggs and Holyfield actually mean something?

Dude has had TWO of the WORST Heavyweight fights since John Ruiz was champ, and I almost put them below Ruiz as the worst heavyweight fights of all time.

Wlad was fighting mandatories, I don't believe Holy was even close to the top of the rankings...

[jisi]

NO. Right after Wlad beat Byrd he wanted to face rahman. who was fighting Maskaev 3 weeks later. if he got past Maskaev. but rahman lost to Maskaev..Wlad tried to get a fight with Maskaev but Maskaev said he needed alot of time to recover....so wlad signed with Brock

:good

And than his mandatory Ray Austin!!! and rematch with Lamon Brewster.

[wrastla285]

so waldo still wanted rahman after he was brutally ko'd by maskaev?

I KNOW YER NOT TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE WANTING TO FIGHT RAHMAN, WHEN SULTAN FOUGHT EVANDER HOLYFIELD!!!

[Shpion]

he beat briggs then straight after went for unification against chagaev but chagaev became ill, so instead he faced evander holyfield and after holyfield he now wants waldo,

waldo has been fighting ray austins and calvin brocks.

:smoke

So fighting the 50 y.o Holy makes you the Real Champ these days. Unbelievable:patsch

By the way, that Austin guy that got smashed with one hand had a draw with your Real Champion.:deal

I am not saying that Klitschko is the Real Champion but at least he is consensus current best HW. Whoever unifies should be considered the Real Champ.

[Asterion]

The winner of Wlad-Ibragimov will be the real Champ in my eyes.

[BIGTIMETIMMY]

anyone remember iggy vs ray austin austin dropped him en route to a draw ten took a nap courtesy of vlad jab vlad ko 5

[Heavyrighthand]

Wlad was fighting a mandatory in Don King's Austin............destoyed him...........and an undefeated contender in Brock.......destroyed him, too.


How many of these recent opponents has Ibragimov destroyed, again?

But that is all meaningless, now that they are about to face each other. Credit to both men for taking the fight, and for realizing how important it is to the recovery of the division.

[RUSKULL]

Wlad was fighting a mandatory in Don King's Austin............destoyed him...........and an undefeated contender in Brock.......destroyed him, too.


How many of these recent opponents has Ibragimov destroyed, again?

But that is all meaningless, now that they are about to face each other. Credit to both men for taking the fight, and for realizing how important it is to the recovery of the division.

I second those opinions! Go Wladimir!!! :happy

[pit]

he beat briggs then straight after went for unification against chagaev but chagaev became ill, so instead he faced evander holyfield and after holyfield he now wants waldo,

waldo has been fighting ray austins and calvin brocks.

:smoke

No offense but Ibragimov is at home counting his last days. That Man is going to get fucked up Royally ..

[Chief_Second]

he beat briggs then straight after went for unification against chagaev but chagaev became ill, so instead he faced evander holyfield and after holyfield he now wants waldo,

waldo has been fighting ray austins and calvin brocks.

:smoke

lol, if he beats byrd again, he'll be the greatest byrd beating champion of the world - unless he finds another undersized to fight as an alternative

[Punisher33]

Iggy is far from the real champ, if he beats Wlad then hell yeah hes the real champ. Iggy is going to get beat like he stole something, this is Iggy's retirement match.

[El Bombasto]

he beat briggs then straight after went for unification against chagaev but chagaev became ill, so instead he faced evander holyfield and after holyfield he now wants waldo,

waldo has been fighting ray austins and calvin brocks.

:smoke

i suppose you rate holyfield higher than brock, byrd, brewster?

[Tunney5]

I have a lot of respect for Sultan, he does have the heart of a champion. But he hasn't proven himself to be the "real heavyweight champion" yet. If he defeats Wlad - which I can't imagine, but anything is possible - he'll be a unified heavyweight champion.

[Heavyrighthand]

Iggy is far from the real champ, if he beats Wlad then hell yeah hes the real champ. Iggy is going to get beat like he stole something, this is Iggy's retirement match.

How many pro fighters retire after their very first loss (to the best heavy out there), and being only 32 years old?

No way he retires, regardless of what happens. I see him taking either a brutal KOing, or running for 12 and losing a decision.......but either way, I think Ibragimov will certianly continue on, regardless of if he announces a retirement, or not.

[Relentless]

How many pro fighters retire after their very first loss (to the best heavy out there), and being only 32 years old?

No way he retires, regardless of what happens. I see him taking either a brutal KOing, or running for 12 and losing a decision.......but either way, I think Ibragimov will certianly continue on, regardless of if he announces a retirement, or not.

you are an idiot:patsch

[Punisher33]

How many pro fighters retire after their very first loss (to the best heavy out there), and being only 32 years old?

No way he retires, regardless of what happens. I see him taking either a brutal KOing, or running for 12 and losing a decision.......but either way, I think Ibragimov will certianly continue on, regardless of if he announces a retirement, or not. To answer your first question, Rydell Booker who was an undefeated Heavyweight hopeful retired after getting his ass beat badly by James Toney, he was 22-0 and was like 24 years old.

Iggy has already made mention of getting out of boxing soon, he wants to go and pursue other things, I have a feeling this is just a paycheck for him. I guess will have to wait and see what happens, but I wouldnt be surprised if he retires after Wlad destroys him.

[Shpion]

To answer your first question, Rydell Booker who was an undefeated Heavyweight hopeful retired after getting his ass beat badly by James Toney, he was 22-0 and was like 24 years old.

Iggy has already made mention of getting out of boxing soon, he wants to go and pursue other things, I have a feeling this is just a paycheck for him. I guess will have to wait and see what happens, but I wouldnt be surprised if he retires after Wlad destroys him.

Wow, this is the first time I hear somebody calling Booker as a HW HOPEFUL:lol: I am wondering HOPEFUL of what?

If memory serves me right, he retired because he went to prison for a long long time not because he lost to another HW HOPEFUL Toney.

[Punisher33]

Wow, this is the first time I hear somebody calling Booker as a HW HOPEFUL:lol: I am wondering HOPEFUL of what?

If memory serves me right, he retired because he went to prison for a long long time not because he lost to another HW HOPEFUL Toney. He was ranked in the top 20 for a fact and Im pretty sure he was closing in on a top 10 spot if he beat Toney. I didnt know he ended up in jail, but I will have to research that, all I know is I never seen him fight after Toney so I assumed he retired after the fight because he was so thoroughly destroyed that night.

[BoxingGuru]

he beat briggs then straight after went for unification against chagaev but chagaev became ill, so instead he faced evander holyfield and after holyfield he now wants waldo,

waldo has been fighting ray austins and calvin brocks.

:smoke

K you won't be back after Wlado kicks the crap out of him I take it and you get embarassed.

Ibragimov fought the weakest heavyweight champ since John Ruiz. BRIGGS! hahahahahahah

[Sweet Scientist]

waldo has been fighting ray austins and calvin brocks.


Yeah, uh, that's because nobody with a belt has the nuts to fight him, or they want a paycheck they can hand down to their grandkids because they know a fight with Wlad could end their career.

That said, I've been giving Iggy credit on these boards for actually stepping up for the unification.

But haven't you paused to consider that none of this will matter after Wlad beats his ass like he's making a Russian omelet?

[Shpion]

He was ranked in the top 20 for a fact and Im pretty sure he was closing in on a top 10 spot if he beat Toney. I didnt know he ended up in jail, but I will have to research that, all I know is I never seen him fight after Toney so I assumed he retired after the fight because he was so thoroughly destroyed that night.

Did you even look at any info. before coming up with all this BS? Booker was a crusier that moved to HW. He was not even in the top 50 as he had not fought anybody in HW or CW for that matter. Yes, he got outboxed by Toney but destroyed is way too strong of the word. Finally, Bokker was schedued to fight somedody after the fight with Toney but went to jail for selling drugs if I am not mistaken. Please do us a favor, do not post made up crap because people like Standi may beleive it.

[thesandman]

IMO, this is about money for Iggy. As was the fight with Holy.

Have you seen the shots from the promotion? Iggy looks like a tubby Barney Rubble.


I have a feeling it will be a career high weight for Iggy when he steps in against Wlad.

[Mindspring]

Brag has backdoored nothing, he faced two fighters that had a chance against Wlad..

[Punisher33]

Did you even look at any info. before coming up with all this BS? Booker was a crusier that moved to HW. He was not even in the top 50 as he had not fought anybody in HW or CW for that matter. Yes, he got outboxed by Toney but destroyed is way too strong of the word. Finally, Bokker was schedued to fight somedody after the fight with Toney but went to jail for selling drugs if I am not mistaken. Please do us a favor, do not post made up crap because people like Standi may beleive it. Yes, I was mistaken. I honestly didnt know he went to jail after the loss to Toney. I have the fight on tape, he lost every round of that fight, so yes he was completely destroyed.

And for your information your wrong, Rydell was ranked highly enough for it to be a WBC title eliminator match when he fought Toney. Rydell was a promising Heavyweight at the time with an impressive arm reach and had great hand speed for a Heavyweight, he was a promising Heavyweight.

[thesandman]

Brag has backdoored nothing, he faced two fighters that had a chance against Wlad..

You seriously believe Holy had a chance against Wlad??? Seriously?

Come on. He only looked "revitalised" because he fought Bates and Savarese IMO.

Holy is done. Wlad would have cut years off his life.

[Shpion]

Yes, I was mistaken. I honestly didnt know he went to jail after the loss to Toney. I have the fight on tape, he lost every round of that fight, so yes he was completely destroyed.

And for your information your wrong, Rydell was ranked highly enough for it to be a WBC title eliminator match when he fought Toney. Rydell was a promising Heavyweight at the time with an impressive arm reach and had great hand speed for a Heavyweight, he was a promising Heavyweight.


Ranked high by WBC:lol:. Term credibility is against WBC policy.

I just checked his record and he won a SD over Tipton Walker 13-7-0(whoever the f*ck it is) before he fought the eliminator with Toney.

So, these days an impressive arm reach makes one a promissing HW, ha?:rofl

Please, stop as you are digging yourself a large hole with your baseless replies.

[Punisher33]

Ranked high by WBC:lol:. Term credibility is against WBC policy.

I just checked his record and he won a SD over Tipton Walker 13-7-0(whoever the f*ck it is) before he fought the eliminator with Toney.

So, these days an impressive arm reach makes one a promissing HW, ha?:rofl

Please, stop as you are digging yourself a large hole with your baseless replies. I admit I was wrong about him retiring because of the Toney beating, just admit he was ranked high enough to get a WBC eliminator match. If it was the WBO I could see your bitch, but the WBC is a real belt held by fighters like Lewis and Vitali. Rydell had impressive hand speed with a good amateur background who began his career at Heavyweight and eneded his career at Heavyweight, he was a good prospect.:yep

[Shpion]

I admit I was wrong about him retiring because of the Toney beating, just admit he was ranked high enough to get a WBC eliminator match. If it was the WBO I could see your bitch, but the WBC is a real belt held by fighters like Lewis and Vitali. Rydell had impressive hand speed with a good amateur background who began his career at Heavyweight and eneded his career at Heavyweight, he was a good prospect.:yep

Honestly, considering the Masakev/Peter/Klitshko saga, I rate wbc as the worst organization out of all 4 jokers(wba, ibf and wbo). Their ratings mean sh*t. They currently have Donell Holmes in their top 10:nut So how Booker was placed so high in their pathetic ratings only the "saint" Jose Suliman knows. I'll repeat myself again, Booker was not even in top 50 when he fought Toney because he never fought let alone won against a live body.

[Punisher33]

Honestly, considering the Masakev/Peter/Klitshko saga, I rate wbc as the worst organization out of all 4 jokers(wba, ibf and wbo). Their ratings mean sh*t. They currently have Donell Holmes in their top 10:nut So how Booker was placed so high in their pathetic ratings only the "saint" Jose Suliman knows. I'll repeat myself again, Booker was not even in top 50 when he fought Toney because he never fought let alone won against a live body. I will agree he never fought anyone, but who did Lamon Brewster beat to get a shot at Wlad in 04, he had a 15 month lay off before that. It doesnt take much to get ranked now adays, all I was saying that he was ranked in the top 20. I would put WBC as the 3rd most credible belt, with only the WBA and IBF ahead of it.

[thesandman]

Honestly, considering the Masakev/Peter/Klitshko saga, I rate wbc as the worst organization out of all 4 jokers(wba, ibf and wbo). Their ratings mean sh*t. They currently have Donell Holmes in their top 10:nut So how Booker was placed so high in their pathetic ratings only the "saint" Jose Suliman knows. I'll repeat myself again, Booker was not even in top 50 when he fought Toney because he never fought let alone won against a live body.

All org's have rankings that magically change depending on the amount of money on offer.

Look at Corrie Sanders flying up after beating Wlad (on the back on a potential rematch/big bro vengeance match). Yes, he beat Wlad, but it didn't do the same for Ross Purrity did it?

Holy has benfitted fuck knows how many times, as has Tyson.

Look at the IBF, and the "mandatories" Wlad has fought.

WBA? Please, how shameful were their rankings when Ruiz was champ?

Golota? He must have some pretty serious dirt on a lot of people the amount of times he's failed, yet reappeared in another orgs top 5.

[Shpion]

All org's have rankings that magically change depending on the amount of money on offer.

Look at Corrie Sanders flying up after beating Wlad (on the back on a potential rematch/big bro vengeance match). Yes, he beat Wlad, but it didn't do the same for Ross Purrity did it?

Holy has benfitted fuck knows how many times, as has Tyson.

Look at the IBF, and the "mandatories" Wlad has fought.

WBA? Please, how shameful were their rankings when Ruiz was champ?

Golota? He must have some pretty serious dirt on a lot of people the amount of times he's failed, yet reappeared in another orgs top 5.

You are absolutely right, all these corrupt entities suck and now we can throw the Ring into that pile of garbage as well.

However, Booker fighting an elimiantor was one of the most outrageous elimiators I've ever seen.

[thesandman]

You are absolutely right, all these corrupt entities suck and now we can throw the Ring into that pile of garbage as well.

However, Booker fighting an elimiantor was one of the most outrageous elimiators I've ever seen.

Yeah, that was a shocker.

Mind you having McCall fight a "title eliminator" was pretty funny too, considering Peter and Toney had just fought one, and Vitlay was babbling on about his "emeritus" status.

hey, we've got 2 mandatory challengers, why not make a third??????

[don owens]

He will be knocked out completely in less than 5 if he fights. If he runs by 7.

[Rudolph]

I admit I was wrong about him retiring because of the Toney beating, just admit he was ranked high enough to get a WBC eliminator match. If it was the WBO I could see your bitch, but the WBC is a real belt held by fighters like Lewis and Vitali. Rydell had impressive hand speed with a good amateur background who began his career at Heavyweight and eneded his career at Heavyweight, he was a good prospect.:yep

OMFG :patsch

Just imagine if Wlad fought a promising prospect like Booker... these very posters would have drowned him shit

[LockDog387]

The guy is nothing more than above-average heavyweight, if anyone doesn't see that, than there not a real boxing fan. If he takes on any of the past greats he would get schooled and get beaten badly.

[Relentless]

So I see that you are a baseball fan because you don't know shit about boxing.

Beating Shannon "Aqua Lung" Briggs means that he beat a potentially dangerous opponent with MANY known flaws.

Waldo has been knocking Brocks out cold and beating down Austin's with one hand. That's more than scheduling a unification bout, beating an ancient Holyfield, and calling out another champ.

Baseball season will be here soon so cheer up lefty.:rofl

if onlyyou were funny, you wouldn't have had to laugh at your own jokes:hi:

[EpsilonAxis]

he beat briggs then straight after went for unification against chagaev but chagaev became ill, so instead he faced evander holyfield and after holyfield he now wants waldo,

waldo has been fighting ray austins and calvin brocks.

:smoke

You're right.

He has fought Ray Austin...just like Iggy...except Iggy got a draw, and Wlad blew him out like a fringe contender.

And he did fight Calvin Brock, a top ten fighter.

[Odo]

Wanting to fight is quite different from actually fighting and beating the man. Calling him the REAL Heavy weight Champ at this point is HYPING.

Bottom line . . . those unification fights needs to happen first.

For the moment it's better to just say . . . Ibragimov has the heart, the guts and the mindset of a Real Champion.

..............but he lacks the size,firepower,and mental toughness to be a long reigning new heavy weight champ.
He drawed with Austin,went the full route with Osokin,couldnt take out that old geezer Holyfield,and looked quite mediocre against that stiff and slow version of Shannon Briggs who wouldnt have gone more than 2 rounds with either Wlad.