Just read that Calzahge turned Hopkins down.

[Cachibatches]

He cited money as the main reason. I am not going to start talking trash here- if he said that the money wasn't right, I will take that at face value. But it is dissappointing. The man ought to realize that he is near the end, and should be working on a legacy. Whereas Eubank, Lacey, adn Kessler aren't bad, it sure would be good for him to have a Hopkins on his record.

Not counting Hopkins out either.

[theunderdog]

from what i read, jc declined because the money was near what he made for kessler, which was unacceptable because a fight against bhop is worth much more. legacy is one thing, but i perfectly understand why jc declined and it is because the risk was far higher than the reward

[Amsterdam]

from what i read, jc declined because the money was near what he made for kessler, which was unacceptable because a fight against bhop is worth much more. legacy is one thing, but i perfectly understand why jc declined and it is because the risk was far higher than the reward

A 43 year old Hopkins isn't going to do anything for anybody's resume because he's totally done, aside from that, Hopkins wanted it for June-July supposedly and probably is demanding a ridiculous sum of money like 15-18 million to fight Joe because he knows at this point it's an assured loss.

Nobody at 43 is going to beat a P4P elite who is one of the WORST styles for his his current set up possible.

There is no risk for JC, there is also no legacy points here for JC, as the entire boxing world would see how shot Hopkins is a year after how shot he looked vs. Winky, therefore, wasted time when Joe can fight Woods,Dawson,Erdei and others.

[Boyd]

i like joe and he is a great fighter. but if you go around punking a guy nonstop and then decide not to fight because of money........... he shoud maybe keep his mouth closed a little more. i'm not saying that the offer was something he should have taken, but Bhop has now turned the tables and made it seem like joe is the one backing out.

[ayala]

when you want to add a good name to your resume money shouldn't be your main concern. I feel that he doesn't want to face BHops now by the way BHops doesn't need him on his resume is more like he needs BHops

[Amsterdam]

Why should Joe take less money for fighting Hopkins than he got for fighting Kessler?

If Hopkins is the big draw he says he is (he’s not), then surely he could afford a 60/40 split which would see Joe rake in the region of $6m and Hopkins get maybe $8 plus his promotional share from GBP?

He wants the fight, but not at ridiculous terms which see Hopkins make out despite losing.

Hopkins clearly does not want the fight. Not even a little.

I’ll tell you why Hopkins didn’t pay the sanctioning to the alphabets when he beat Tarver: he didn’t want any mandatories. He wanted to cash in on his dubious mantle and earn some money for doing nothing of any real note and fighting faded names who would have little chance against him.

The fact that his trainer says that the Roy Jones fight would mean more now than the Calzaghe fight tells you everything you need to know.

No shit, the Winky fight for the LHW title as a supposed resume mark was absolutely ridiculous, add to the fact that Hopkins looked like shit and then you wonder how anybody thinks that does anything for anybodies resume, a semi-retired old man who has the LHW 'championship' held hostage essentially so he can tool around in the seniors club and make money.

Hopkins can either retire, or become a goddamn joke like DLH is, a novelty. It's terrible disrespect to real LHW's like Dawson and others for the supposed 'championship' to be able to be passed along in senior's tour fights.

I donI can;t decie what's more absurd, the fans who think Hopkins at this point has any chance at all vs. Joe, or the fans who claim this will add legacy points to Joe, but will then after the fight protest that Hopkins is shot even though it's plainly obvious that he's OLD now.

This stuff just annoys me. Bring on Woods and Dawson, two guys with a pulse.

[HolgerD]

Why don't we all just let the BHOP stuff rest. The man is on pension and should enjoy himself on the senior tour. It is sooooo much more interesting and enjoyable to see Calzaghe fight prime or near-prime fighters!

[Rumsfeld]

Calzaghe knows Hopkins is too risky for someone as overprotected as he's been throughout his career.

Calzaghe's never beaten anyone worth a squirt of piss.

:smoke

[Amsterdam]

Calzaghe knows Hopkins is too risky for someone as overprotected as he's been throughout his career.

Calzaghe's never beaten anyone worth a squirt of piss.

:smoke

So Calzaghe should only be paid 2 million US dollars, while Hopkins makes 15 million as his final cash out instead of beating guys who are still fresh?

Give me a fucking break. That's what you call pricing yourself out, it's a useless fight anyway.

But why argue with a guy who thought Adamek was the next Undisputed LHW champion? Or a guy who took Barrera over Marquez and Pac in 2007.

You have a limited view on boxing, it's not worth debating.:smoke

Though, it's not as bad as debating politics with you.:smoke

[Rumsfeld]

Oh fuck off and die you nut-hugging cunt.

Eat shit and die, you degenerate scum bag!

:smoke

[Amsterdam]

See, the problem with your riposte is that it has no basis in fact and mine does.

You won't see that though as you are consumed by idiocy - hence why i pointed it out.

Rumsfeld is not an idiot, he simply just doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about in this scenerio, as with most involving the sport of boxing and he speaks as if he's the authority on it.

With politics, he's just evil.

[Rumsfeld]

So Calzaghe should only be paid 2 million US dollars, while Hopkins makes 15 million as his final cash out instead of beating guys who are still fresh?
Please. As if they still aren't both posturing. In the end, Calzaghe is scared shitless at the prospect of losing to Old Man Hopkins. WHY? Simple!

He loses to Hopkins and his perception of greatness he now celebrates (thanks to delusional fans like yourself) is finished! What happens then? His so-called 'legacy' reverts back to what it was before he became grossly overrated after beating the overhyped Lacy.

You know I am right on this, you're just afraid to admit it, so instead, you side-step this fact by undermining Hopkins as if he weren't worth Joe's time.

Give me a fucking break. That's what you call pricing yourself out, it's a useless fight anyway.
*YAWN* So says the fanboy who's views on Calzaghe are about as realistic as Ron Paul's chances at winning the White House.

But why argue with a guy who thought Adamek was the next Undisputed LHW champion? Or a guy who took Barrera over Marquez and Pac in 2007.
This further illustrates your own bias. Anyone who took half of my Adamek posts seriously ought to have their head examined. Perhaps hyperbole isn't your forte, but I think referring to him as "The Mighty Adamek" and making outrageous claims that he would 'inevitably usurp Ray Robinson as the #1 P4P fighter of all-time' was a dead give-away.

:D

Furthermore, I do not believe I ever stated I thought Barrera would beat Marquez (although I may have). In fact, I wrote a piece called "Don't count Barrera out" not much unlike my "Don't count Hopkins out against Calzaghe" piece.

As for MAB-Pac II, you are mistaken or literally making shit up.

I knew MAB was not going to win that one.

You have a limited view on boxing, it's not worth debating.:smoke
Well, maybe my knowledge is limited. You, however, are a very knowledgable boxing poster which is WHY it's so unbecoming of you to throw your objectivity out the window when it comes to Calzaghe--you're better than that.

Your posts on him do very little to enhance your credibility. In fact, when someone has the type of credibility you do, your ridiculous posts on this matter only detract from your reputation.

Though, it's not as bad as debating politics with you.:smoke
On that front you're a commie pinko who has no understanding of human nature--just like everyone else who adheres to such nonsensical ideology.

:smoke

[Rumsfeld]

Then he's guilty of wilful ignorance. Like a lot of right-wingers they twist the facts and ignore anything that proves the counter to the point they make. They also repeat the same thing again and again, despite it being disproven.

Yes, because my pro-drugs, pro-abortion, pro-prostitution, pro-gambling views fit right in line with the "right wing agenda".

:roll:

[scorpy]

Anyway, like so many said before... he can turn down an offer without turning down the fight. They were still in negociations last I heard.

[Rumsfeld]

I didn't say you were a right winger: i said you're like a lot of them.

Actually, the right has always been fond of gambling, despite their historical tendency to denounce it.

Are members of the right traditionally stone cold atheists?

Please, just shut the fuck up and speak not about that which you've no idea.

[Rumsfeld]

Being right wing isn't synonymous with religion. And again, I am not saying you are right wing, I'm saying you act like them. this is not difficult to understand surely?

I act "like them"?

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

What is your basis for drawing this conclusion?

:smoke

[Rumsfeld]

ok, for the slow crew:

you twist facts

bullshit
you fail to answer questions that challenge your position

bullshit

you repeat the same thing over and over again even when your point has been debunked

More bullshit. None of my points have ever been 'debunked'.

:smoke

[mike464]

Well, maybe my knowledge is limited. You, however, are a very knowledgable boxing poster which is WHY it's so unbecoming of you to throw your objectivity out the window when it comes to Calzaghe--you're better than that.

Your posts on him do very little to enhance your credibility. In fact, when someone has the type of credibility you do, your ridiculous posts on this matter only detract from your reputation.True.

[Cookie]

If the US is the mecca of boxing where all the big fights take place, and Hopkins is a "living legend" and big star, why the hell was Calzaghe offered less than he received for fighting Kessler?

He was damn right to turn his nose up at that offer. It doesn't add up.

[Rumsfeld]

If the US is the mecca of boxing where all the big fights take place, and Hopkins is a "living legend" and big star, why the hell was Calzaghe offered less than he received for fighting Kessler?

He was damn right to turn his nose up at that offer. It doesn't add up.

Except that, it does add up if you consider the prolonged games that often take place during the negotiations process--especially when it comes to hard-nosed negotiators like Calzaghe and Hopkins.

:good

[PH|LLA]

fighters work on legacy in their prime, at the end they focus on money.

Joe Calzaghe was a late bloomer

[41fever]

Joe should rethink...if he's confident he'll win it'll market him tremendously and thereafter BIG $$$ fights.

[Paulie]

What a boring fight this is going to be...

[Bashed Crab]

Its early days and GBP are starting things off. They know that this will sell though the roof in Euro and do well in the US, so its the start of the feeling out process....expect negotiations to pick up over the chrissie period. Hopkins is smart and knows that this is a pay day he can;t afford to miss.

[PH|LLA]

Joe should rethink...if he's confident he'll win it'll market him tremendously and thereafter BIG $$$ fights.
not really. Calzaghe - Hopkins IS the big $ fight. You can bet your ass he'll end up making more than the deal he was offered.

[Rumsfeld]

Joe should rethink...if he's confident he'll win it'll market him tremendously and thereafter BIG $$$ fights.

And if he loses, his marketability goes down the shitter and his legacy follows closely behind.

Calzaghe fears losing to Old Man Hopkins.

[HolgerD]

Talking about the value of the Dollar against the Euro, or more precisely, the lack of value, wouldn't it be a piece of cake to lure BHOP to Europe with a HUGE payday? Come on, the exchange rate is almost like 1-2.:yikes

[PrideOfWales]

Talking about the value of the Dollar against the Euro, or more precisely, the lack of value, wouldn't it be a piece of cake to lure BHOP to Europe with a HUGE payday? Come on, the exchange rate is almost like 1-2.:yikes

Exactly. Everything in Europe i worth a lot more than in the USA of america presently.... including it's prize fighters. Although, admittedly, the USA of america has better bombs for blowing people up.

[HolgerD]

Exactly. Everything in Europe i worth a lot more than in the USA of america presently.... including it's prize fighters. Although, admittedly, the USA of america has better bombs for blowing people up.


:D :D :D

[David UK]

Hopkins ran scared that's why they gave him an offer they knew he would refuse to save hopkins face

Of course. Once Calzaghe called Borenard's bluff by agreeing the fight him in America, Calzaghe was always going to be offered a bum deal so that Borenard could wriggle offf the hook