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Stone_Roberto
12-03-2007, 12:46 PM
Had Chavez-Taylor gone to the judges and Taylor won, I would say that Taylor won the decision but lost the fight.
I think that Hopkins beat the shit out of Jermaine Taylor and lost the judges decision.
What other fights happened where the man awarded the win was more/severely damaged than the loser?
Rumsfeld
12-03-2007, 12:49 PM
Bowe-Golota I & II
Thread Stealer
12-03-2007, 12:50 PM
Escalera-Everett
M. Spinks-Holmes 2
De La Hoya-Sturm
Ali-Shavers
Forrest-Quartey
Chavez-Randall 2
Coggi-Gonzalez 1
Thread Stealer
12-03-2007, 12:51 PM
Had Chavez-Taylor gone to the judges and Taylor won, I would say that Taylor won the decision but lost the fight.
I think that Hopkins beat the shit out of Jermaine Taylor and lost the judges decision.
What other fights happened where the man awarded the win was more/severely damaged than the loser?
The man awarded the victory in your first example, Chavez, had WWAAAYYYY less physical damage than Taylor did.
jaycuban
12-03-2007, 12:52 PM
Ike Quartey over De La Hoya
1-Ton
12-03-2007, 12:52 PM
McCline/Peter
africandawg
12-03-2007, 01:09 PM
Corrales/Castillo 1:-(
Sturm/Dela Hoya :-( :-(:-(
shelterr
12-03-2007, 01:17 PM
MAB/Morales I
thewoo
12-03-2007, 01:23 PM
I assume you are not talking about robberies but fair decisions where the winner ended up losing more than the loser. I'd go with Jirov-Mesi
Had Chavez-Taylor gone to the judges and Taylor won, I would say that Taylor won the decision but lost the fight.
How so? you mean psychologically lost because of the KD? Or woulda gotten the decision but shouldn't have?
Not quite sure what you are getting at here, IMO, Taylor fought like a warrior and should have won the fight in every way. He gave as good as he got against Chavez for god's sake, that wins him the fight psychologically, as well as on points for me.
1-Ton
12-03-2007, 01:25 PM
Meehan/Brewster
Take my last point back, I didn't read your last sentence sorry. Yeah you are probly right about both those picks, particularly Chavez-Taylor. Also Bowe-Holyfield trilogy, Bowe won it, but Holyfield emerged less damaged, whereas Bowe was basicly shot.
Cookie
12-03-2007, 01:32 PM
Abraham-Miranda. Abraham won it by virtue of Miranda being deducted so many points. But he had his jaw broken and lost so much blood that it looked like an axe murderer had gotten loose in the arena.
ChrisPontius
12-03-2007, 01:33 PM
Take my last point back, I didn't read your last sentence sorry. Yeah you are probly right about both those picks, particularly Chavez-Taylor. Also Bowe-Holyfield trilogy, Bowe won it, but Holyfield emerged less damaged, whereas Bowe was basicly shot.
And then he 'won' another series of fights against Golota but came out of even more shot.
A guy with Bowe's defence will never see more than a few good years.
africandawg
12-03-2007, 01:44 PM
What other fights happened where the man awarded the win was more/severely damaged than the loser
Corrales/Castillo 1 :-(
And then he 'won' another series of fights against Golota but came out of even more shot.
A guy with Bowe's defence will never see more than a few good years.
True, but in fairness he did show flashes against Golota. But while the Golota fights are the obvious picks, I feel he was ruined walking into the first Golota fight. Holyfield did that to him, Golota just made it worse.
Words
12-03-2007, 01:47 PM
klitschko lewis
africandawg
12-03-2007, 01:49 PM
" Fights where the winner lost "
STURM/Dela Hoya
Orang-Utan Jim
12-03-2007, 01:54 PM
Klitschko-Lewis, no doubt.
David B
12-03-2007, 01:56 PM
James Page vs. Jose Luis Lopez
Words
12-03-2007, 02:04 PM
:good
" Fights where the winner lost "
STURM/Dela Hoya
mykolakozak
12-03-2007, 02:54 PM
Vitali vs Lewis
Tsypko against Lacy
Both Vitali and Tsypko won those fights
jaycuban
12-03-2007, 04:15 PM
Vargas/Wright
jaycuban
12-03-2007, 04:16 PM
De La Hoya/Sturm
Ziggy Montana
12-03-2007, 04:39 PM
would be fights where the loser won and the judges got shitfaced. :!:
nickfoxx
12-03-2007, 04:49 PM
spinks - judah 1
Mike T
12-03-2007, 05:21 PM
Leonard/Hearns 1
Paulie
12-03-2007, 05:37 PM
Lucas-Beyer...in Germany
MrMagic
12-03-2007, 05:38 PM
Lewis - Holyfield I (Draw, but Lewis got robbed)
Casamayor - His latest opponent comes to mind :rofl
PH|LLA
12-03-2007, 05:41 PM
JMM PAC
You can see it either way, but either way you see it, mathematically that fight could not have been a draw.
I had it 7 rounds to 5 for JMM with Pac winning because of the first round.
A winner lost his win in that fight, who you like as a fighter can affect who it was.
Mind Reader
12-03-2007, 05:50 PM
Its been a while since I seen it, but does anyone else think Mayorga beat Spinks? Wasn't there a couple of knockdowns that were ruled badly?
jimmy1991
12-03-2007, 06:02 PM
de la hoya over mosley 2
de la hoya over trinidad
Castillo over mayweather1
man theres heaps
jimmy1991
12-03-2007, 06:04 PM
Corrales/Castillo 1
Sturm/Dela Hoya :-( :-(:-(
what the hell chico stoped him:-(
brooklyn1550
12-03-2007, 06:09 PM
Whitaker/Ramirez 1
Everett/Escalera
Santa Cruz/Casamayor
brooklyn1550
12-03-2007, 06:09 PM
Corrales/Castillo 1:-(
You've got to be kidding me...
Stone_Roberto
12-03-2007, 06:33 PM
Hatton/Collazo I can see because of how fucked up Hatton was by the end. Even if he won on points, he was beaten up badly.
Katsidis had a fight where he got his face torn apart like wild dogs evicerated him.
Not talking about robberies here: Taylor legitimately beat Hopkins on points and had Meldrick lasted the last round, he would have won the decision.
Pantera
12-03-2007, 06:43 PM
Balbi/Dorin I
pipe wrenched
12-03-2007, 07:15 PM
Hatton-Collazo. It should have been ruled a KD in the 12th when Hatton almost went flying through those ropes.
:yep Abso-FUCKIN-lutely right. I've watched that a couple times here recently and that damn sure should NOT have been ruled a slip. That also would have really changed the scorecards and the razor thin victory for Hatton.
I mean look at the expression on Hatton's face, he couldn't believe it was ruled a slip.
pipe wrenched
12-03-2007, 07:17 PM
This year alone two really bad ones:
Huerta vs. Kid Diamond
Santa Cruz vs. Cassamayor.
rreed23
12-03-2007, 08:06 PM
Uuuh... De La Hoya / Mayweather
rreed23
12-03-2007, 08:11 PM
Oh and Judah should have had a rematch with Cotto after gettin popped in the balls twice
Relentless
12-03-2007, 08:21 PM
Oh and Judah should have had a rematch with Cotto after gettin popped in the balls twice
tszyu would have beaten hatton if hatton wasn't 'poppin' him in the balls and wrestling him.
Pantera2000
12-04-2007, 12:14 AM
Abraham-Miranda. Abraham won it by virtue of Miranda being deducted so many points. But he had his jaw broken and lost so much blood that it looked like an axe murderer had gotten loose in the arena.
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Abraham got owned!
Executioner
12-04-2007, 12:18 AM
abraham-miranda should definitely be #1. abraham won, yes but he got fuckkkkkkkkked up big time.
brooklyn1550
12-04-2007, 12:20 AM
Uuuh... De La Hoya / Mayweather
:huh
brooklyn1550
12-04-2007, 12:21 AM
Oh and Judah should have had a rematch with Cotto after gettin popped in the balls twice
:patsch
brooklyn1550
12-04-2007, 12:22 AM
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Abraham got owned!
I would have loved to see a rematch between the two.
Just a little thought: Abraham is one tough guy!
brut_edge
12-04-2007, 12:22 AM
Roy Jones Jr vs Park Si-Hun 1988 Olympics
That was disgusting...
chimba
12-04-2007, 12:22 AM
PAC/JMM was a draw but PAC broke JMMS face
Hearns did a picasso on Leonards face as well
Choi chung ill also worked on Rolando Navarettes face even though the latter won
brooklyn1550
12-04-2007, 12:28 AM
Let's mention real robberies - not close fights that could have gone either way.
Pantera2000
12-04-2007, 12:39 AM
Let's mention real robberies - not close fights that could have gone either way.
Robbery to most of the clear sited Western fans of the sport:
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Randy Neuman aka Sauerland's puppet
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Pantera2000
12-04-2007, 12:46 AM
Ravens versus the patriots.....woops, wrong sport
Was that not bullshit! Time outs, penaltys, and than 1.5 yards away on a hail mary. That sucked!
curmudgeon
12-11-2007, 01:53 AM
Abraham got owned!
Nope he did not. He won. And still doing quite OK.
sharx
12-11-2007, 03:49 AM
fenech vs nelson I
TBooze
12-11-2007, 05:12 AM
fenech vs nelson I
:think
It is that meant to be a bit boxing philosophy or are you not thinking;)
Thread Stealer
12-11-2007, 12:02 PM
fenech vs nelson I
Yes, let's add Lewis-Holyfield I, Whitaker-Chavez, Hearns-Leonard 2, Taylor-Wright, and Toney-McCallum I while we're at it! :p
Anyway, that was an awful decision. Fenech deserves to go down in history as a 4 division champ. Some of the terrible decisions in the 90s in title fights were actually draws instead of decision wins for the real loser.
Brickhaus
12-11-2007, 12:24 PM
I think 90% of the posters in this thread are missing the point. NOT robberies, but fights where the winner was ruined by the fight, or at least was on the worse end of it.
In which case Corrales/Castillo 1 is a pretty good one.
A few more Phyrric victories:
Jirov-Mesi
Mancini-Kim (Mancini didn't end up in worse shape, but the fight did basically ruin his career)
Jesus Chavez-Leavendar Johnson (same)
Abraham-Miranda
Ali-Shavers
Sithchatchawal-Monshipour
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