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Raggamuffin
06-18-2007, 07:18 AM
I declare Mike "The Body Snatcher" McCallum the winner by UD
Azania
06-18-2007, 07:21 AM
Yup...Followed by a prime Julio Chavez...That Mexican was a mean machine to the body.
But I also say Mcullum takes the cake here.
Raggamuffin
06-18-2007, 07:25 AM
So it's still a UD
JohnThomas1
06-18-2007, 07:32 AM
I'll mention the likes of Olivares, Zale, Frazier, Zarate, Arguello. McCallums right up there, but not the best for mine.
Manassa
06-18-2007, 07:32 AM
Ike Williams TKO15.
achillesthegreat
06-18-2007, 07:40 AM
I love a good body puncher. Guys today who are looking to make their mark as all time body punchers are Cotto and Floyd. The others are good but these two look like they can go down as great body punchers.
All time I think I'd go with Duran and Hearns. Not that they are necessarily the best but what I liked how sneaky they were downstairs. Duran was effortless in his approach. I think it was v Leonard where he landed some shit like 6 punch combo with 3 body shots. The sequence of punches was just nuts. Take Hearns v Cuevas. People don't realise that in the first he landed jabs, straights and hooks downstairs. It was the right hand that was prominent but you forget the sweeter things that he did.
Rattler
06-18-2007, 08:11 AM
Jose Luis Castillo deserves mention.
Micky Ward for the liver hook.
Vantage_West
06-18-2007, 08:50 AM
I love a good body puncher. Guys today who are looking to make their mark as all time body punchers are Cotto and Floyd. The others are good but these two look like they can go down as great body punchers.
All time I think I'd go with Duran and Hearns. Not that they are necessarily the best but what I liked how sneaky they were downstairs. Duran was effortless in his approach. I think it was v Leonard where he landed some shit like 6 punch combo with 3 body shots. The sequence of punches was just nuts. Take Hearns v Cuevas. People don't realise that in the first he landed jabs, straights and hooks downstairs. It was the right hand that was prominent but you forget the sweeter things that he did.yeah hearns was mean to the body his left hook seemed to right round the guard and smack them in the baby ribs.
look at
barkley-hearns barkley was bending over just to breath from the body shots.
hearns-leonard II leonard just came apart at the end.
and hearns-james shuler 3 hit combo to the ribs.
all were just tapped to the ribs.
also i feel that mosley is a good body puncher...especcialy form olympians who rarly go to the body
Executioner
06-18-2007, 09:25 AM
Tyson, Duran, McCallum
achillesthegreat
06-18-2007, 09:31 AM
yeah hearns was mean to the body his left hook seemed to right round the guard and smack them in the baby ribs.
look at
barkley-hearns barkley was bending over just to breath from the body shots.
hearns-leonard II leonard just came apart at the end.
and hearns-james shuler 3 hit combo to the ribs.
all were just tapped to the ribs.
also i feel that mosley is a good body puncher...especcialy form olympians who rarly go to the body
Hearns was consistently amazing to the body and with every shot.
Take Duran fight for example. People don't realise what Hearns did to Durans body.
I don't know how Barkley survived the first bout. I think this is simply further proof of Hearns losing a little something at 160. A fighter at 147 or 154 can't take that sort of shit. Barkley wasn't just a middleweight he also went as high as 175. He was a big bastard.
rekcutnevets
06-18-2007, 09:40 AM
I like Chavez. McCallum was also great in this regard.
Pernell Whitaker is sometimes overlooked here because of his lack of ko's. Whitaker is not as good as the other 2 mentioned in this post, but he was damn good at including the body in his offense.
Swedish81
06-18-2007, 09:52 AM
Originally Posted by rekcutnevets
I like Chavez. McCallum was also great in this regard.
Pernell Whitaker is sometimes overlooked here because of his lack of ko's. Whitaker is not as good as the other 2 mentioned in this post, but he was damn good at including the body in his offense.
Yeah! Whitaker is a dark horse in this category. A very underrated bodypuncher.
Doppleganger
06-18-2007, 10:57 AM
Hearns was consistently amazing to the body and with every shot.
Take Duran fight for example. People don't realise what Hearns did to Durans body.
I don't know how Barkley survived the first bout. I think this is simply further proof of Hearns losing a little something at 160. A fighter at 147 or 154 can't take that sort of shit. Barkley wasn't just a middleweight he also went as high as 175. He was a big bastard.
I think he was a round away at the most from being stopped, either by cuts or those body punches. Agreed that Hearns bodywork was a thing of violent beauty. I think the Shuler fight is a prime exhibition of bodywork by Tommy. That left hook to the floating ribs is right up there with his left jab and right cross IMO.
Duodenum
06-18-2007, 10:58 AM
When Duran was trailing on points late against Vilomar Fernandez, he found that his head shots were simply having no effect on Vilomar, who in addition to being an extraordinarily skilled defensive boxer, could hold up to a tremendous blow to the head. With his title on the line, Duran went downstairs on Fernandez and dropped Vilomar for the count in round 13. (This was a highly rated live broadcast, and a match well worth studying.)
Jack Dempsey was in the same situation heading into round 12 of his title defense against Bill Brennan. Jack had handled Brennan fairly easily in their first match, and violated the celibacy rule in taking "KO Bill" too lightly for their rematch. (The unexpected ease of his first championship defense against a fatally ill Billy Miske may also have contributed to a dangerously cocky attitude on his part.) Jack went to the body in that final round, and Brennan was not able to beat the count. The Mauler also dropped Carpentier with a bodyshot, and fractured Jess Willard's left short ribs with a hook that lifted Jess several inches off the canvas about 30 seconds before the fight's end.
Tony Zale and Joe Frazier should be mentioned, as should Euzebio Pedroza. RJJ's dethroning of Virgil Hill may be the single most devastating one punch kayo to the body in non HW title history. Fitzsimmons and Jeffries also won the heavyweight championship with single bodyshots. Jose Torres essentially won the LH title with a left hook to Willie Pastrano's liver area.
Alexis Arguello dropped Andy Ganigan for the count with a double uppercut to Ganigan's solar plexus, causing Andy to writhe on the deck in excruciating agony as the referee tolled ten. Sean O'Grady's second round right hand drive down into Hilmer Kenty's torso was the single most devastating looking early round bodyshot I've viewed on a live broadcast. Normally, a boxer needs to be a lttle worn down to be floored with a bodypunch like that. It looked as though it should have run Hilmer completely through, like a sword.
Eddie Mustafa Muhammad had an outstanding body attack from the outside, and he decimated Marvin Johnson with it. (At his very best, Eddie was truly a complete fighter.) Carlos Palomino's body assault carried him to the WBC WW Title over John Stracey.
I tend to look at whoever could win a decision or kayo victory with bodyshots. While Marciano, Shavers, and Foreman could all bomb with tremendous power, I don't immediately recall instances where they clearly would not have won without going downstairs, or where bodyshots were the immediate cause of victory. At the moment however, these are the names and instances which come to my mind, among the situations I'm most familiar with.
While McCallum was a truly great bodypuncher, whenever I saw him perform, it was ironically his kayo and KD punches upstairs which caught my eye.
Ken Norton won a close and controversial decision over Jimmy Young by ignoring Young's head in favor of point scoring body punching. Young himself could score points effectively with his body attack. You can easily supplement this list with outstanding examples I've overlooked, or am not aware of.
Manassa
06-18-2007, 11:15 AM
Joe Louis was a top body puncher. He wasn't the kind that dedicated half his time grinding away to the ribs like Frazier or Armstrong, but he picked his shots carefully, throwing them hard and accurately. Louis knockout of Red Burman looked painful. I love Louis' actions after he lands the left hook to the body, bouncing back and forth on his toes ready to explode - Burman was wise to surrender when he did, because Louis would have crushed him.
Duodenum
06-18-2007, 12:50 PM
Joe Louis was a top body puncher. He wasn't the kind that dedicated half his time grinding away to the ribs like Frazier or Armstrong, but he picked his shots carefully, throwing them hard and accurately. Louis knockout of Red Burman looked painful. I love Louis' actions after he lands the left hook to the body, bouncing back and forth on his toes ready to explode - Burman was wise to surrender when he did, because Louis would have crushed him.
Yes, and of course we can't forget that scream emitting shot he delivered to Schmeling's ribs against the ropes in their rematch. He also pounded Uzcudun's sides to lower Paulino's guard for setting up the hardest punch of his career, the right uppercut which dropped him for six, and caused Donovan to stop the match. As you've pointed out, Joe wasn't a dedicated body puncher to the extent of Smoke and Armstrong, but he was certainly a complete offensive boxer who could do it all well.
fightking12
06-18-2007, 01:01 PM
Joe Louis
Ricky Hatton
Mickey Wards
Arturo Gatti
Joe Frazier
Mike Tyson
Marvin Hagler
robert ungurean
06-18-2007, 07:24 PM
Zale gets my vote.
Bummy Davis
06-18-2007, 08:42 PM
Mickey Walker, Mike McCallum, Duran,Marciano,Dempsey,Frazier,James Toney,Jirov,Quarry,Ward,Lamotta,Zale
Cobra33
06-19-2007, 06:03 PM
I think Mickey Ward deserves mention.I think he depended on his hook to the body.I can name 7/8 of his fights were he takes people out with it.
Mike Mccallum incorperated it into his attack but I think he was a little overrated.Name one fighter he finished off with a body punch.
Thomas Hearns -what a wicked lefthook to the body.
MAB-Awsome uppercut/hook to the body.
Alexis arguello-Man Boza Edwards shit his pants with a shot to the body.
Ray Leonard-good bodypuncher.
Pernell Whitaker-Went to the body alot more then people realize.
good right hand
06-19-2007, 09:00 PM
i think vassily jirov was one of the best body punchers for his time at his peak and all time, from what i have seen, i would have to say julio ceasar chavez in all honesty i have not seen to many fights of mcallum and zale
Holmes' Jab
06-20-2007, 03:19 AM
McCallum, SRL, Marciano, Frazier and Louis.
Agree that Sweet Pea's body punching is under-rated
Raggamuffin
06-20-2007, 09:32 AM
See McCallum against Cyrry.
First going downstairs to lower the arms and then going upstairs with the wide hook
PowerPuncher
06-20-2007, 09:45 AM
I love a good body puncher. Guys today who are looking to make their mark as all time body punchers are Cotto and Floyd. The others are good but these two look like they can go down as great body punchers.
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Get off Floyds nuts Achilles, hes a great fighter but all time bodypuncher? Come on
Louis and Tyson go down as my number 1 Bodypunchers - depends if you want a gradual break down or a constant attack
Dempsey1238
06-20-2007, 10:13 AM
Bob Fitz should be on any all time great list when mention as a body puncher.
Raggamuffin
06-20-2007, 10:18 AM
Good call Dempsey
See what he did to Corbett with the famous solar plexus punch
Bill1234
06-20-2007, 10:30 AM
Joe Frazier is definately a top 5. Ken Norton might be a top 20.
Sonny's jab
06-20-2007, 11:03 AM
Roy Jones Jr. deserves a mention.
rekcutnevets
06-20-2007, 12:24 PM
I don't think Jones belongs on this list. He didn't really attack peoples bodies until he knocked out Virgil Hill with a bodyshot. I remember reading somewhere that he broke Virgil's back with that shot. He punched people's bodies here and there, but not enough to consider him a body puncher. Chris Byrd is more of a body puncher than Jones.
I don't think Byrd belongs on this list either.
Duodenum
06-20-2007, 12:30 PM
Bob Fitz should be on any all time great list when mention as a body puncher.
Great shout-out, one that also reminds me of Jim Jeffries' rib cracking assaults on Ruhlin, Corbett, and Sharkey.
pugilist_boyd
06-20-2007, 04:48 PM
dempsey was def. top nocth body puncher but did everyone forget about jake lammota?
Duodenum
06-20-2007, 07:12 PM
Andy Golota and Jack Sharkey.
Russell
01-23-2008, 09:03 PM
Any mention of McClellan here yet?
Knocked a guy out with the first punch of a fight, a wicked bodyshot at that.
Luigi1985
01-24-2008, 10:50 AM
A name who wasn´t mentioned yet, is Bruno Arcari, he was a terrific body puncher...
Robbi
01-24-2008, 11:01 AM
Armstrong, Frazier, Duran, Chavez, Tyson.
MachineGunMitch
01-24-2008, 01:26 PM
Duran comes to mind
I think Eusebio Pedroza deserves a mention.
(Even if some of those body shots were a bit low.)
Cobra33
01-24-2008, 06:02 PM
Yes Pedrosa could really dig to the body.Some others:
Marco Antonio Barrerra
Roberto Duran
Mickey Ward
Miguel Cotto
Alexis Arguello
Mike Mccallum
rodney
01-24-2008, 09:29 PM
Mathew Hilton
laxpdx
01-24-2008, 10:33 PM
Bobby Czyz would definitely vouch for Tony Ayala.
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