Just watched PBF vs Castillo I for the fight time.

[Darthmage]

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PBF JLC
Rd.1 10 9
Rd.2 10 9 Could have been even.
Rd.3 10 9
Rd.4 10 9
Rd.5 10 10
Rd.6 9 10
Rd.7 9 10
Rd.8 10 9 Pt. Deduction. Pbf round.
Rd.9 10 10
Rd.10 9 10
Rd.11 9 10
Rd.12 9 10
Total 115 115

[Darthmage]

Is it crazy that I came up with a tie score? Some rounds were not clear to me so I scored them even. How the hell do I line up these things correctly?

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I thought that Castillo clearly won the first fight... while Floyd clearly won the rematch.

[Darthmage]

A post of mine from another thread.

Castillo landed like 90% of his punches to the body and even half of those were while they were in a clinch and Castillo would bang away at Floyd side. That isn't gonna do it when you wanna beat a top P4P name in the sport. Did Castillo really believe his was gonna win on the cards by landing more to body? I doubt it, he tried to catch Floyd with headshots but simply couldn't do it effectively cuz Floyd was too fast. Floyd outlanded Castillo to the head after the 4th round (when Castillo started fighting) by a wide margin and he should've been rewarded like he was as it is harder to hit the head than the body. For example the in 12th, Castillo landed only body shots (few at that), not a single headshot, Floyd landed more shots to the head than Castillo did to the body in that round by a good margin and still guys who score the fight for Castillo ALWAYS give him that round.

115-111 for Floyd, that was one of Floyd best defensive performances ever. Infact Floyd had an easier time in the first bout than in the rematch.

I think the 12th was a very clear round for Castillo.

[Darthmage]

By the way I saw that fight here at work with no sound on. Might have been distracted in a coulple of ocassions.

[thewoo]

A post of mine from another thread.

Castillo landed like 90% of his punches to the body and even half of those were while they were in a clinch and Castillo would bang away at Floyd side. That isn't gonna do it when you wanna beat a top P4P name in the sport. Did Castillo really believe his was gonna win on the cards by landing more to body? I doubt it, he tried to catch Floyd with headshots but simply couldn't do it effectively cuz Floyd was too fast. Floyd outlanded Castillo to the head after the 4th round (when Castillo started fighting) by a wide margin and he should've been rewarded like he was as it is harder to hit the head than the body. For example the in 12th, Castillo landed only body shots (few at that), not a single headshot, Floyd landed more shots to the head than Castillo did to the body in that round by a good margin and still guys who score the fight for Castillo ALWAYS give him that round.

115-111 for Floyd, that was one of Floyd best defensive performances ever. Infact Floyd had an easier time in the first bout than in the rematch.

Fights shouldn't be scored by who is doing something that is harder to do. Scoring should be based on who is causing more damage to their opponent. It would be pretty damn hard for a fighter to jump up on the top rope and walk around the perimiter of the ring like a tight rope walker but that doesn't mean he would win the round if he did it.

Castillo's body work caused more damage than Floyd's head shots and make no mistake, Castillo did land to the head as well (although I will concede that he focused more on the body). Castillo should have gotten the decision that night.

[Darthmage]

I took some notes down:

Round 2 could have gone either way but I thought PBF edged it.
Round 6: Good sense rough house tactics by castillo, floyd ineffective throughout the entire round.
Round 7: Good bodywork by Castillo and a nice right to the jaw of Pbf.
Round 8: Even until the pt deduction. Pbf round 10-9
Round 11: Good work inside by castillo. They were both toe to toe that round but I thought castillo edged it.

[Darthmage]

How so? Castillo didn't land a single clean headshot while Floyd landed 10.

So you don't count bodyshots when scoring a fight?

[safe_pa]

How so? Castillo didn't land a single clean headshot while Floyd landed 10.

Sorry but this is the pro game, body shots count.
I pity the fool who doesn't score body shots.

[Ziggy Montana]

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PBF JLC
Rd.1 10 9
Rd.2 10 9 Could have been even.
Rd.3 10 9
Rd.4 10 9
Rd.5 10 10
Rd.6 10 9
Rd.7 10 9
Rd.8 10 9 Pt. Deduction. Pbf round.
Rd.9 10 10
Rd.10 9 10
Rd.11 9 10
Rd.12 9 10
Total 115 115Why have you waited that long, your mom wouldn't let you watch TV back in 2002?

BTW, are you Serj Tankian or something? :D

[Darthmage]

Why have you waited that long, your mom wouldn't let you watch TV back in 2002?

BTW, are you Serj Tankian or something? :D

I wasn't a boxing fan in 2002. I started in 03' so now I am watching all the fights that I can. I've covered a lot in the little time that I've been a fan though trust me.

[Darthmage]

Floyd outlanded Castillo that round period. But he actually landed more shots to the head than Castillo did to the body. You're really reaching if you give the 12th to Castillo.

I disagree. From what I remember the 12th was that Floyd was somewhat innecfective and Castillo kept forcing the action and mayweather was just trying to clinch the whole time. Yes he did land some headshots but castillo was far busier that round.

[BoardBULLY]

Those scores don't even add up to 115-115. They make 117-113 for Floyd

i think he means rd 9 and 5 which he had 10-10 could have been 10-9 for JLC so it would have been 115-115

[Darthmage]

Those scores don't even add up to 115-115. They make 117-113 for Floyd

ur right hold up let me recheck my card. I edited the original post so many times trying to get it to align, I must have messed something.

[the_what]

I always try to force myself to watch it but after viewing the first 3 rounds I stop because it is so boring. When does the action pick up if at all?

[Darthmage]

Yeah I messed it up. I still come up with a draw, 115-115. I fixed the original post.

I will go back and rewatch the even rounds so I can get a more decisive decision.

[Darthmage]

If he walked on the top rope and landed as much as Floyd did then sure I give him the fight, but you're going to extremes there. And this wasn't a fight where who damaged who the most was gonna win, cuz they never rocked each other a single time in the whole fight. This was a points fight and there was no doubt it was gonna go the full 12, Floyd won it points wise. You say Castillo body shot were effective, but they weren't effective enough to slow Floyd down in the 12th where Floyd effectively shut out Castillo in headshots by a 10:1 ratio and outlanded him badly that round period. Yet people who score the bout for Castillo always give him the round. You know if the guy who started this thread would've correctly given the 12th to Floyd he'd have a Floyd win rather than a draw.

Since you feel so strongly about it I will watch the 12th again and revise the score(if I have to)

[Darthmage]

I went ahead and looked at it. The first half of that round is won by floyd by a small margin, then the 2nd half Castillo just outfought him. Yes Floyd did block some of those bodyshots but not enough. Based on how many headshots floyd landed against castillo's bodyblows and Castillo's agression plus the fact that it was the 12th round, seeing that castillo was more agressive I would have to give the round to Castillo still.

[the_what]

Yup. I cant watch it. For lightweights, that was one hell of a boring fight.

[Marnoff]

I thought that Castillo clearly won the first fight... while Floyd clearly won the rematch.

Clearly?

[Darthmage]

Pointless post by a pointless human being

ugh?