Thomas Hearns vs. Bennie Briscoe

[dpw417]

12 rounds at middle weight.
The 'Hitman' vs. 'Bad' Bennie....
No question, that Briscoe is the stronger fighter....No question, that Hearns is the faster fighter....
Tommy is by far, the more versatile fighter who could implement an approach to outbox the plodding, robotic Briscoe....Can Hearns hurt him?...He will certainly have the 'squared up' stanced Briscoe in his sights...Will Briscoe catch him?...Perhaps, in the later going?
I'll take Hearns by decision. The overall difference in speed is the reason...
Who and why?

[AREA 53]

You may well have answered your own question, Bennie brought a very consistent attack to his opponents, but the sheer one-paced consistencey of it was mappable and readable, and the (Very) top fighters like Monzon and Valdes, with a versatility about them could probably cope with this one=paced attack, work around it, and basically matador it. you always knew where to Find Bennie

Whilst, thankfully for Tommy, Bennie would not come at Tommy Like Hagler Did, Bennies Aggression, Behind that Thumping Jab as he Advances, would start to come into its mown After the half Way Stage,
Tommy's Problem would be not trying to Blast Bennie out early, like he did Duran, and Many Others, Because when the Smoke Clears, there would probably be Bennie, Chugging Forward. like some Fistic Terminator, Tommy would have to use his Boxing Skills, Settle into that Bennie Pace, and then he should be able to come out the other end for The decision

However, you must not Forget, that Whist big Puching Cyclone Hart scrambled a Draw with Briscoe, in the return Bennie Blew out bthe Cyclone in the first, Also Tommy got "Bambi'ed up" and Jelly-legged
against Roldan, Olajide, and Kitchen ( Tommy instigating the worlds record clinch ? the ref almost sent for a Crowbar !) and of course Barkley Nailed Tommy, so Tommy is certainly vunerable if he engages Bennie's at close Quarter Trading, I think Tommy may be hanging on towards the End, But it is Tommy's fight to Lose as well as win,

A respectful Tommy can fight a long range Mobile fight, mixed with Brief exchanges only, to come out a winner on Points, with Bennie bemoaning the fact that it was only over 12 rounds and not 15.

[dpw417]

You may well have answered your own question, Bennie brought a very consistent attack to his opponents, but the sheer one-paced consistencey of it was mappable and readable, and the (Very) top fighters like Monzon and Valdes, with a versatility about them could probably cope with this one=paced attack, work around it, and basically matador it. you always knew where to Find Bennie

Whilst, thankfully for Tommy, Bennie would not come at Tommy Like Hagler Did, Bennies Aggression, Behind that Thumping Jab as he Advances, would start to come into its mown After the half Way Stage,
Tommy's Problem would be not trying to Blast Bennie out early, like he did Duran, and Many Others, Because when the Smoke Clears, there would probably be Bennie, Chugging Forward. like some Fistic Terminator, Tommy would have to use his Boxing Skills, Settle into that Bennie Pace, and then he should be able to come out the other end for The decision

However, you must not Forget, that Whist big Puching Cyclone Hart scrambled a Draw with Briscoe, in the return Bennie Blew out bthe Cyclone in the first, Also Tommy got "Bambi'ed up" and Jelly-legged
against Roldan, Olajide, and Kitchen ( Tommy instigating the worlds record clinch ? the ref almost sent for a Crowbar !) and of course Barkley Nailed Tommy, so Tommy is certainly vunerable if he engages Bennie's at close Quarter Trading, I think Tommy may be hanging on towards the End, But it is Tommy's fight to Lose as well as win,

A respectful Tommy can fight a long range Mobile fight, mixed with Brief exchanges only, to come out a winner on Points, with Bennie bemoaning the fact that it was only over 12 rounds and not 15.
Yes Sir!....completely agree:good

[sjc]

Carlito would have fucked Bennie up if he hadn't been a punk ass bitch and just shot him.

What you think the Hitman is gonna do?? KO 2 seconds!

[Titan1]

Bennie really takes it to Tommy after a couple of rounds, and hands him a KO loss in the fifth round, too strong and aggressive for him.

[TheGreatA]

There's the possible chance that Briscoe gets caught coming in (Valdez got him 1 out of 3), although a more likely chance of winning for Hearns is if he were to stay away from Briscoe for 10 rounds. Briscoe is just a tough match-up for the "Hitman" on paper although Tommy is not without a chance of winning, considering his height and reach advantages which he knew how to utilize.

Briscoe's overhand right is the big factor in this match-up. One solid hit from that could send Hearns crumbling.

[itrymariti]

Hearns by violent swift knockout

[TheGreatA]

Bennie via

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[the cobra]

I like Briscoe here. Tommy's battles against Kinchen and Barkley are heavy on my mind, and Briscoe was a good deal better than both.

[klompton]

I think Briscoe would break Hearns to pieces. Horrible style matchup for Hearns.

[Jorodz]

I think Briscoe would break Hearns to pieces. Horrible style matchup for Hearns.

two schools of thought:

1)briscoe is a MUCH better version of barkley and wears hearns down to powder

2)briscoe is a limited slugger/brawler who an amazing talent like hearns would outbox

depends where you land

[MRBILL]

Briscoe was very good at 160, but short of ATG status....... Hearns panned out better overall in his career from 147 to 175....... And, truth is, Briscoe was no Hagler..... I see the Hearns of '86 who waxed James Shuler in 73 seconds getting past Briscoe and either getting a TKO or points win.......

MR.BILL

[red cobra]

Briscoe catches up with and crumbles Hearns with a right in 7.

[itrymariti]

Briscoe was a one-dimensional blockhead who waddled into range with little head movement and blocked punches with his face. He was slow and predictable, he beat only 1 top 10 contender in his entire career (IIRC) and makes his entire living off the back of the crazed Monzon dicksucking fest on this board. Hearns was a fucking ATG who was wiping his arse with fighters of Briscoe's class all the way up to 175. Briscoe would get erased in a couple of rounds

[red cobra]

Briscoe was a one-dimensional blockhead who waddled into range with little head movement and blocked punches with his face. He was slow and predictable, he beat only 1 top 10 contender in his entire career (IIRC) and makes his entire living off the back of the crazed Monzon dicksucking fest on this board. Hearns was a fucking ATG who was wiping his arse with fighters of Briscoe's class all the way up to 175. Briscoe would get erased in a couple of rounds
All you lack is the red nose and the big floppy shoes to be a real circus clown..and who knows...you may even have both of them as well.:clown:silly..you're a fuckin' "born yesterday" trollin' clown asshole.

[Jorodz]

to be fair, i think hearns is getting undermined on this thread. briscoe was VERY VERY good but not great. hearns was best below 160 but still a dynamo at middleweight. not saying i have a decision set but hearns has all the tools to beat briscoe, of that I'm certain. whether or not he does, whether or not it's likely considering briscoe's own stylistic advantages here is the question but hearns CAN'T be dismissed

[Garrus]

All you lack is the red nose and the big floppy shoes to be a real circus clown..and who knows...you may even have both of them as well.:clown:silly..you're a fuckin' "born yesterday" trollin' clown asshole.

:lol:

I see a Hearns UD, but Briscoe will be there till the final bell sounds

[red cobra]

Briscoe would have been yet another bald menacing middleweight that would have done him in..if james Kinchen could have decked him, and iran Barkley could have ko'ed him..imagine what Briscoe would have done to him.

[SEPv]

Hearns

[Garrus]

Briscoe would have been yet another bald menacing middleweight that would have done him in..if james Kinchen could have decked him, and iran Barkley could have ko'ed him..imagine what Briscoe would have done to him.

Was Briscoe known for his two fisted power?
Or was it only in his right hand?

[PowerPuncher]

WOW this 1 could go either way, Hearns could score an early blow out, he could outbox him to a UD, or he could get broken down and ko'd. All these people with sure fire opinions, well if they actually know what they're talking about, then they probably wouldn't bet on this 1

[Garrus]

WOW this 1 could go either way, Hearns could score an early blow out, he could outbox him to a UD, or he could get broken down and ko'd. All these people with sure fire opinions, well if they actually know what they're talking about, then they probably wouldn't bet on this 1

Do you think Benny could get the job done in 15 pp?

[Jorodz]

Briscoe would have been yet another bald menacing middleweight that would have done him in..if james Kinchen could have decked him, and iran Barkley could have ko'ed him..imagine what Briscoe would have done to him.

Tommy Hearns would have been yet another all time great fighter that would have outboxed Briscoe...if Luis Vinales, Joe Shaw and Vicente Rondon could have decisioned him...imagine what Hearns would have done to him (thank God for boxrec.com :hat)

[Garrus]

Tommy Hearns would have been yet another all time great fighter that would have outboxed Briscoe...if Luis Vinales, Joe Shaw and Vicente Rondon could have decisioned him...imagine what Hearns would have done to him (thank God for boxrec.com :hat)


Monzon?

[PowerPuncher]

Do you think Benny could get the job done in 15 pp?

Well theoretically the amount of rounds could be an issue but not if Hearns knocks him out early or is completely in control of the fight. It's got to be a close run fight for 15 rounds to be an issue. Briscoe could get it done in 12 or 15. It really depends how it unfolds

Theoretically Briscoe's style could be bad for Hearns, but theoretically Duran's style is a problem for Hearns and we all saw what happened there

Tommy Hearns would have been yet another all time great fighter that would have outboxed Briscoe...if Luis Vinales, Joe Shaw and Vicente Rondon could have decisioned him...imagine what Hearns would have done to him (thank God for boxrec.com :hat)

Without seeing those fights and knowing if their decision was just I'd decline to comment, it might also be those men were less vulnerable inside than Hearns.

[Jorodz]

Well theoretically the amount of rounds could be an issue but not if Hearns knocks him out early or is completely in control of the fight. It's got to be a close run fight for 15 rounds to be an issue. Briscoe could get it done in 12 or 15. It really depends how it unfolds

Theoretically Briscoe's style could be bad for Hearns, but theoretically Duran's style is a problem for Hearns and we all saw what happened there



Without seeing those fights and knowing if their decision was just I'd decline to comment, it might also be those men were less vulnerable inside than Hearns.

it's a wise position and the post is only half serious. however, briscoe's record against elite opposition is pretty weak: he failed to get the better of monzon, valdez or hagler (though he was WAY past best by then). if memory serves, briscoe did snag a draw with monzon on his home turf which says quite a bit though

[Jorodz]

Monzon?

true, but monzon was infinitely more proven at middle though

[PowerPuncher]

it's a wise position and the post is only half serious. however, briscoe's record against elite opposition is pretty weak: he failed to get the better of monzon, valdez or hagler (though he was WAY past best by then). if memory serves, briscoe did snag a draw with monzon on his home turf which says quite a bit though

Briscoe said Monzon improved after their first fight. I haven't seen Monzon-Briscoe 1, I do wonder whether Briscoe got a fair shake of the dice on the opposition's soil. Bad decisions aren't new in boxing and we really don't know how many of those decisions were right and wrong without looking closer

I like Briscoe's skillset on film too, he isn't an elite, but he could trouble elite's and at least push them. The thing is Hearns could dominate very good boxers himself

[red cobra]

Was Briscoe known for his two fisted power?
Or was it only in his right hand?
I don't know Garrus...but I do know that theres a badass vid of the best of BB and he left a lot of guys on their asses.:D

[the cobra]

Originally posted by PowerPuncher
Theoretically Briscoe's style could be bad for Hearns, but theoretically Duran's style is a problem for Hearns and we all saw what happened there
Factually Duran's size was no threat to Hearns, but Briscoe's size would be.

[PowerPuncher]

Factually Duran's size was no threat to Hearns, but Briscoe's size would be.

Because he had a whole 2 inches of height on Duran?

[TheGreatA]

Because he had a whole 2 inches of height on Duran?

The same height as Hagler.

[the cobra]

Originally posted by PowerPuncher
Because he had a whole 2 inches of height on Duran?
Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm talking about. Nothing to do with him being a natural Middleweight rather than Lightweight or anything. I'm talking about height.



Height.

[itrymariti]

Factually Duran's size was no threat to Hearns, but Briscoe's size would be.

At his best Duran would have beaten Briscoe at 160

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[TheGreatA]

At his best Duran would have beaten Briscoe at 160

Barkley too.

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[PowerPuncher]

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Schuler had an accident and died shortly after this and Hearns gave his family 1 of his world championship belts

[itrymariti]

Barkley too.

Fair point

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Not a fair point.