View Full Version : Anyone watch TUF semifinals tonight?
Filmnpuck
12-06-2007, 12:08 AM
I have to say, I was extremely impressed with Tommy Speer. That was really fucked up when they showed George waking up and still trying to fight.
Tommy Speer is a HUGE welterweight. That guy must weight close to 200 pounds when not fighting. He's going to be trouble for Danzig, who could probably cut to 155. It should be an interesting finale, though I'm sad to see all the Serra guys out. A Serra/Hughes finale would have been a more interesting fight. George vs. Mac held more allure. But after watching George get KOed into oblivion, I don't think his chances against Danzig would have been that good anyway.
Filmnpuck
12-06-2007, 12:15 AM
I agree, before tonight I wanted a George/Danzig final. But after watching the Speer/George fight, I think Speer/Danzig is the MUCH better final. I'm not even sure I'd say Danzig is a favorite at this point, it's a 50/50 fight in my eyes.
Felt really bad for John, though. Hell of a nice guy, but you knew he was just going to get his ass beat for the second time in a row. And he wanted the fight so bad.
I agree, before tonight I wanted a George/Danzig final. But after watching the Speer/George fight, I think Speer/Danzig is the MUCH better final. I'm not even sure I'd say Danzig is a favorite at this point, it's a 50/50 fight in my eyes.
Felt really bad for John, though. Hell of a nice guy, but you knew he was just going to get his ass beat for the second time in a row. And he wanted the fight so bad.
Yeah, I like John. The guy is all heart. But he isn't in the same skill class as Mac Danzig, and heart only gets you so far in MMA.
J_Roth
12-06-2007, 12:31 AM
I honestly thought George was going to blast him out. Should be a really good fight.
Filmnpuck
12-06-2007, 12:34 AM
I honestly thought George was going to blast him out. Should be a really good fight.
You, me, and everyone else.:lol:
George didn't look good at all, he didn't do much even before the poke in the eye....which didn't help matters.....but his punching didn't look good at all.......speer was throwing the better punches that were thrown, and if it went to the ground I would think that Speer would be able to out muscle him anyway.
alex-boxer42
12-06-2007, 01:37 AM
would have rather seen a grude match with hightower instead of the skilles dude who acts touch and got his ass beat by the same guy.
second fight suprised me and dissapointed me. good for speers but that eye poke definitly ruined the fight. I haate wrestlers, but this guy hits hard.
yogster740
12-06-2007, 02:03 PM
George got caught. He was pretty much out after that first shot while they were still standing. I though it was pretty even up to that point, they were both landing some shots. The eye poke had definitely some effect.
I agree its 50\50 for Mac\Tommy...but I'm leaning towards Danzig by later rd submission.
Wilhelm
12-06-2007, 03:08 PM
Tommy Speer is a HUGE welterweight. That guy must weight close to 200 pounds when not fighting. He's going to be trouble for Danzig, who could probably cut to 155. It should be an interesting finale, though I'm sad to see all the Serra guys out. A Serra/Hughes finale would have been a more interesting fight. George vs. Mac held more allure. But after watching George get KOed into oblivion, I don't think his chances against Danzig would have been that good anyway.
Not COULD cut to 155, HAS cut to 155 for his previous fights. For as muscular as he is, he always looked smaller than everyone he was in with. George, Bowman, Troy, all those guys fought at 155 before coming onto the show. John, Billy, Jrock all fought at 185 and I'm shocked that Tommy can make 170. I wish they'd bring in guys all the same size instead of having these weird size mismatches.
And yeah, George didn't look so great on his feet last night or against Hightower. He looked tentative as hell. I was hoping it'd go to the ground so we could have seen what his JJ would have been able to do against Tommy, but oh well. Now we get to see another skill vs. size match. Whoop de do.
Beebs
12-06-2007, 06:33 PM
Since when is this size vs skill?
Tommy is just as skilled, just in different areas. I don't know how many times it needs to be pointed out, but MMA is not just BJJ and Muay Thai, and how good you are at those two.
Mac hasn't beaten the better competition, hes fought them, but he's lost every time he steps up.
Close fight, Tommy takes it.
Wilhelm
12-06-2007, 07:24 PM
Since when is this size vs skill?
Tommy is just as skilled, just in different areas. I don't know how many times it needs to be pointed out, but MMA is not just BJJ and Muay Thai, and how good you are at those two.
Mac hasn't beaten the better competition, hes fought them, but he's lost every time he steps up.
Close fight, Tommy takes it.
You mean Tommy's 'skill' in not passing guard? Or his skill in getting out of subs (only have he allows himself to be put in them nearly 100%)? Come on now. If Danzig was as big as Tommy then no one would be talking about Tommy having any shot at all. Danzig wasn't in any trouble in any of his fights even for a second and Tommy was damn near subbed in his first two fights. You can say Tommy has a chance, you can even say it incredulously, but unless strength is suddenly classified as a skill, then your argument is dumb.
Beebs
12-06-2007, 07:49 PM
You mean Tommy's 'skill' in not passing guard? Or his skill in getting out of subs (only have he allows himself to be put in them nearly 100%)? Come on now. If Danzig was as big as Tommy then no one would be talking about Tommy having any shot at all. Danzig wasn't in any trouble in any of his fights even for a second and Tommy was damn near subbed in his first two fights. You can say Tommy has a chance, you can even say it incredulously, but unless strength is suddenly classified as a skill, then your argument is dumb.
I'd go ahead and say wrestling and striking with power are skills.
I'd go ahead and say wrestling and striking with power are skills.
Wrestling takes skill, no doubt, but punching with power doesn't necessarily reflect skill. It reflects some familiarity with throwing a decent punch, but also has a lot to do with muscle mass, leverage and velocity. I don't think anyone said Speers had no skill, but Danzig is clearly a more skilled fighter. Danzig has better jiu jitsu technique, as well as better stand up. His footwork is better and he simply has more options on his feet. The man's not exactly a wrestler, but he can pull off a takedown and stuff a takedown, so he's got a bit of that in his repertoire as well.
Hell, I don't even like Mac Danzig, but he's def. the more skilled fighter of the two. If both these guys were the same size, this would be Danzig in a landslide. The only reason we're talking about this fight is because Danzig is a much smaller fighter.
ufoalf
12-07-2007, 12:07 AM
W/e Ben Saunders was sick as hell. That played a huge part IMO.
And what about the guys not wanting to fight Danzig....alot of excuses....John was the only guy who wanted that fight.....kind of surprising considering if you win that fight you get a shot at the 6 figure contract.
ufoalf
12-07-2007, 12:33 AM
And what about the guys not wanting to fight Danzig....alot of excuses....John was the only guy who wanted that fight.....kind of surprising considering if you win that fight you get a shot at the 6 figure contract.
Seeds out people's intention doesn't it?
I kinda disagree with Dana about Arroyo tho. I thought he was geniune just didn't sound that way.
ufoalf
12-07-2007, 12:59 AM
So lucky...
Filmnpuck
12-07-2007, 01:01 AM
Seeds out people's intention doesn't it?
I kinda disagree with Dana about Arroyo tho. I thought he was geniune just didn't sound that way.
I agree with you about Arroyo. I mean, c'mon, dude's got a broken rib. A broken rib is one of the most debilitating injuries you can have.
I was equally surprised about people being hesitant about taking the Danzig fight, especially Hightower, after the way that he fought George I thought for sure he'd jump all over a second chance.
Seeds out people's intention doesn't it?
I kinda disagree with Dana about Arroyo tho. I thought he was geniune just didn't sound that way.
yeah, what are peoples intentions....if you are a afraid to fight a guy who hasn't even won the TUF series yet how the hell are they going to do against top contenders in the division?
And why would Dana think the guy is faking an injury....if the rib is cracked it makes any type of ground fighting almost impossible.
ufoalf
12-07-2007, 02:46 PM
yeah, what are peoples intentions....if you are a afraid to fight a guy who hasn't even won the TUF series yet how the hell are they going to do against top contenders in the division?
It's called second chance. :patsch Look at Speer vs George.
And why would Dana think the guy is faking an injury....if the rib is cracked it makes any type of ground fighting almost impossible.
Did you see the way he was talking about him?
"Never seen anyone give up such an apportunity that fast, he doesn't know what he's losing."
WTF? How the hell is he gona fight with a broken rib.
Beebs
12-07-2007, 04:27 PM
Some of the other fighter's blogs say that the Dr didn't find anything wrong with his rib, which is why they didnt have the usual dr footage when somebody is hurt.
Not to say his ribs weren't sore to the point of being unable to fight, but they were not broken or cracked according to medical examination.
Filmnpuck
12-07-2007, 04:31 PM
It's called second chance. :patsch Look at Speer vs George.
Did you see the way he was talking about him?
"Never seen anyone give up such an apportunity that fast, he doesn't know what he's losing."
WTF? How the hell is he gona fight with a broken rib.
Yeah, Dana's a big fat douchebag. End of story. For a guy who was never a pro fighter himself, he seems to think he knows a lot about what makes them tick... Even the way he talked about Hightower. As soon as Richie left the room Dana said, "that guy doesn't want the fight." But all that Richie said was that he was worried about making weight, which is understandable given that he would have had to drop 20 pounds in about 3 days.
ufoalf
12-07-2007, 05:17 PM
Some of the other fighter's blogs say that the Dr didn't find anything wrong with his rib, which is why they didnt have the usual dr footage when somebody is hurt.
Not to say his ribs weren't sore to the point of being unable to fight, but they were not broken or cracked according to medical examination.
Woah, I wonder what fighters said that? Cause I was actually rooting for Arroyo and if what you said is true that changes my perspective a lot.
filmnpuck, you gotta understand it from Dana's perspective. This is how it works in the business world. If they're not enthusiastic about what they do they won't get the opportunity. In Dana's mind he is the boss(and he is). He's giving a huge apportunity to one fighter, but he has to want it. Out of all people only the last guy(forgot his name) came in with a smile and went "fuck yes i wanna fight him." He didn't say something like "well, you know, im worried that i won't make weight blah blah blah." Dana doesn't wanna hear that crap, he doesn't care. It's just the way it works, even if you don't care about some job and think its miserable but you wanna get it because of money you gota be like "Hell YES i wanna be cat clothing designer, I absolutely LOVE cats blahblah."
Filmnpuck
12-07-2007, 06:48 PM
Woah, I wonder what fighters said that? Cause I was actually rooting for Arroyo and if what you said is true that changes my perspective a lot.
filmnpuck, you gotta understand it from Dana's perspective. This is how it works in the business world. If they're not enthusiastic about what they do they won't get the opportunity. In Dana's mind he is the boss(and he is). He's giving a huge apportunity to one fighter, but he has to want it. Out of all people only the last guy(forgot his name) came in with a smile and went "fuck yes i wanna fight him." He didn't say something like "well, you know, im worried that i won't make weight blah blah blah." Dana doesn't wanna hear that crap, he doesn't care. It's just the way it works, even if you don't care about some job and think its miserable but you wanna get it because of money you gota be like "Hell YES i wanna be cat clothing designer, I absolutely LOVE cats blahblah."
:lol::lol::lol:
Point taken.
Hightower didn't want the fight....it was quite obvious...he tried to use the weight excuse....but he really didn't want the fight. What the hell did John weight? that guy looks big I'll bet he had to cut as much weight as anybody else would have had to. At least he had the balls to fight Danzig....even though the guy has very little ability...it's safe to say that guy has no future in the sport.
ufoalf
12-08-2007, 11:34 PM
Wow, entertaining fight that was, Warmachine vs Rollins. Nice to see when those guys give it their all and its just all heart out there. Out of all things i didn't expect Warmachine to do that simplest sweep(first one I've ever learned)... and win cause of it. Makes you think about those simplest techniques 0.0
Filmnpuck
12-08-2007, 11:40 PM
Wow, entertaining fight that was, Warmachine vs Rollins. Nice to see when those guys give it their all and its just all heart out there. Out of all things i didn't expect Warmachine to do that simplest sweep(first one I've ever learned)... and win cause of it. Makes you think about those simplest techniques 0.0
Seriously I can't believe Warmachine pulled that off. Sweet little reversal and lights out!
Big T
12-08-2007, 11:42 PM
Very good win from Warmachine...got to see this fight, but a friend of mine has said the other where clunkers. Is it worth it to watch the other fight on replay?......
Big T
12-08-2007, 11:43 PM
HAHA! Just seen Bob Sapp is on Pros vs Joes. Went from a MMA Star in the far east..to Pros vs Joe's WOW..how the might has fallen.
Donut62
12-08-2007, 11:50 PM
Holy cow, Warmachine pulled off a win on all heart.
Big T
12-08-2007, 11:52 PM
Holy cow, Warmachine pulled off a win on all heart.
Very good fight. Both guys showd lots for heart in that fight. Good job by both.
Big T
12-08-2007, 11:59 PM
WOW, that fight was a one sided clunker. Hope the Main Event is a solid fight.
WOW, that fight was a one sided clunker. Hope the Main Event is a solid fight.
Danzig looked tiny in that fight, then showed he was head and shoulders above Tommy in terms of skill. Ownage.
PS: I also think it's hilarious Danzig is such an Andy Wang fan.
Dostoevsky
12-09-2007, 12:05 AM
HAHA! Just seen Bob Sapp is on Pros vs Joes. Went from a MMA Star in the far east..to Pros vs Joe's WOW..how the might has fallen.
It had Couture on it. :?
Big T
12-09-2007, 12:08 AM
Randy still kept fighting...Bob has done nothing since he left K-1
Filmnpuck
12-09-2007, 12:28 AM
Very good win from Warmachine...got to see this fight, but a friend of mine has said the other where clunkers. Is it worth it to watch the other fight on replay?......
Hightower vs. Rude Boy was pretty entertaining IMO. Nothing is going to hold up to the Warmachine fight, though.
Big T
12-09-2007, 12:41 AM
Very good Main Event so far.
Big T
12-09-2007, 12:44 AM
Very good action from both fighters, but Clay was a beast. His round.
Big T
12-09-2007, 12:48 AM
If you can't see this main event..you are missing out.
Big T
12-09-2007, 12:50 AM
If there is a UFC Fight of the year..would have to put this one on top of the list. These guys are just bombing each other. Going into the 3rd round. My god..great stuff.
Big T
12-09-2007, 12:52 AM
HOLY SHIT! I hope UFC pays these guys well. WHAT A FIGHT! Guys if you didnt' see this...find it and watch it. My GOD!
chimba
12-09-2007, 12:55 AM
WOW best fight in the last 10 years of UFC and its FREE!!
Big T
12-09-2007, 12:57 AM
Glad I stay with the UFC tonght. Thank you CLay and Roger....Great great..fight
ufoalf
12-09-2007, 01:00 AM
PS: I also think it's hilarious Danzig is such an Andy Wang fan.
They're friends.
Filmnpuck
12-09-2007, 01:01 AM
Great main event. Clay needs to cut his hair. I honestly think he caught some of those shots because he couldn't see them coming.
Actually there was a bunch of great fights tonight...it seems guys know if they bring it and be entertaining they will be rewarded.....and I agree about Clay's hair...that has to be a distraction. Huerta should get the next title shot...he showed great chin, heart and skill to finish Guida...I don't think think anyone has finished Guida before... the guy is non stop....very entertaining to watch.
Beebs
12-09-2007, 03:29 AM
The WarMachine - JRoc fight was great.
I thought it was an awesome card. The only thing disapointing was Dana's announcement at the very end, which I knew about a week ago. It was kind of like having the best sex of your life, and just as you're about to finish, the girl says she's got to go to work. Way to go, Dana. I think he just gave me a severe case of MMA blue balls.
amhlilhaus
12-09-2007, 04:51 AM
I thought it was an awesome card. The only thing disapointing was Dana's announcement at the very end, which I knew about a week ago. It was kind of like having the best sex of your life, and just as you're about to finish, the girl says she's got to go to work. Way to go, Dana. I think he just gave me a severe case of MMA blue balls.
ask dana to finish you off, just say you're a fighter and he'll probably do it.
couple of good fights, thought warmachine and rollins was fight of the night till the main, now can't decide.
hey if dana is serious about paying guys more, then declare both matches 'fight' of the night and give all 4 bonuses.
Beebs
12-09-2007, 05:36 AM
Well there can only be one fight of the night, but you bet your ass those guys are getting a nice check for all 4 of their efforts.
There are two things Dana, or any other promoter I would imagine, will love you forever for, stepping up like Pointon and John, and fighting like its the most important thing in the world.
Look at Joe Riggs, he stepped up to fight Hughes on short notice, and hes a guy who has to cut an ungodly amount of weight at 170, his Conditioning coach/dietician went into a depressive episode and couldnt help, and he didn't quite make weight, but he took the fight, and got rewarded for it by getting alot of fights afterwords. Thats why Dana had no time for somebody like Hightower.
On a side note, I really hope Riggs is able to fight though his problems with opiates and get back to his full form...he did beat Diaz after all.
Dostoevsky
12-10-2007, 01:20 AM
Guida looks like the little brother of Giant Silva with that hair.
Wilhelm
12-10-2007, 02:52 AM
Very good win from Warmachine...got to see this fight, but a friend of mine has said the other where clunkers. Is it worth it to watch the other fight on replay?......
Pretty much every fight on the finale was better than any fight the whole season. That's one thing that makes me distrust the results of the show actually. It seems like every guy fights ten times better when they train with their own (ostensibly lesser quality) camps before the finale than they do on the show with the "world class" trainers.
amhlilhaus
12-10-2007, 06:53 AM
Pretty much every fight on the finale was better than any fight the whole season. That's one thing that makes me distrust the results of the show actually. It seems like every guy fights ten times better when they train with their own (ostensibly lesser quality) camps before the finale than they do on the show with the "world class" trainers.
so what are you saying? I thought it odd they kept saying 'hes the best he's ever looked' over and over.
Wilhelm
12-10-2007, 12:00 PM
so what are you saying? I thought it odd they kept saying 'hes the best he's ever looked' over and over.
It may be that they've learned a lot, but on the show it seems like they're just to prepared to fight. After the fact when they can prepare in a normal environment and practice all that they've learned in a way that works for them, they look a hell of a lot better. That's my theory anyway. It's not like I've seen every one of them fight before the show and then after and can tell you for a fact. All I can say is that the first set of fights this season were all fucking garbage and the fights in the finale were all good, or at least one guy in the fight looked really really good.
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