Occasions where a great bull has beaten a great matador?

[McGrain]

This is my favourite style match up. Let's hear about some fights where a great bull has beaten down a great matador?

[enquirer]

FOTC and the brawl in montreal...

[dpw417]

First thing i thought was Duran in montreal.

[Slicknick56]

tunney vs dempsey

[McGrain]

tunney vs dempsey

A great bull did NOT beat a great matador in this fight my friend!

[Woddy]

Chavez vs Taylor is a possibility, but Taylor was winning most of that fight though.

[Jack Dempsey]

Greb v Tunney

[ThePlugInBabies]

duran-leonard I is a bady example because leonard wasn't in matador mode. he decided to slug it out instead with duran.

[enquirer]

Maybe duran took leonard out of his 'normal mode' because of that second round left hook,his trash talking and the savage relentless agression of montreal duran....
I recall leonard saying that punch shook him up and he didnt get on track until a few rounds after that...
note: duran was the 'smaller' bull as well....

[AREA 53]

I suppose Frazier Vs Ali 1st would be another prime example

Basilio Vs Robinson Another

[enquirer]

Pryor v arguello?
Chavez v camacho?

[john garfield]

I suppose Frazier Vs Ali 1st would be another prime example

Basilio Vs Robinson Another

These two are terrific examples, A53.

Another bout comes to mind -- more obscure, and neither fighter would be considered "great," but it certainly illustrates a determined bull finally overcoming a first class matador: Ben Tackie's tenth-round stoppage of Roberto Garcia, who was boxing beautifully, and raked Tackie with every combination imaginable from the opening bell. Fans were shouting to stop it, it was so one-sided, and Tackie was taking such a fearful beating.

[scartissue]

Fullmer-Robinson I & IV
LaMotta-Robinson II
Galindez-Hutchins
O'Grady-Kenty
Qawi-Ocasio (except for the fact that Qawi did not get the decision in one of the biggest robberies I've ever seen)

Scartissue

[Mendoza]

Sugar Ray Robinson vs Joey Maixm. Not that Maxim was a bull, but he did out last Sugar Ray.

[Minotauro]

Marciano vs Walcott

[Manassa]

Battalino-Chocolate.

[Robbi]

Saddler v Pep, Frazier v Ali,

[TBooze]

Jeffries did it twice (just) to Gentleman Jim.

[sweet_scientist]

Battling Nelson vs. Joe Gans
Harry Greb vs. Gene Tunney
Harry Greb vs. Tommy Loughran
Harry Greb vs. Maxie Rosenbloom
Mickey Walker vs. Jack Britton
Ted Kid Lewis vs. Jack Britton
Tony Canzoneri vs. Kid Chocolate
Jackie Kid Berg vs. Kid Chocolate
Battling Battalino vs. Kid Chocolate
Henry Armstrong vs. Barney Ross
Henry Armstrong vs. Willie Joyce
Sandy Saddler vs. Wille Pep
Sandy Saddler vs. Flash Elorde
Jake Lamotta vs. Sugar Ray Robinson
Sammy Angott vs. Willie Pep
Carmen Basilio vs. Sugar Ray Robinson
Joe Frazier vs. Muhammad Ali
Vicente Saldivar vs. Ismael Laguna
Roberto Duran vs. Ken Buchanan
Roberto Duran vs. Sugar Ray Leonard

[McGrain]

Battling Nelson vs. Joe Gans
Harry Greb vs. Gene Tunney
Harry Greb vs. Tommy Loughran
Harry Greb vs. Maxie Rosenbloom
Mickey Walker vs. Jack Britton
Ted Kid Lewis vs. Jack Britton
Tony Canzoneri vs. Kid Chocolate
Jackie Kid Berg vs. Kid Chocolate
Battling Battalino vs. Kid Chocolate
Henry Armstrong vs. Barney Ross
Sandy Saddler vs. Wille Pep
Sandy Saddler vs. Flash Elorde
Jake Lamotta vs. Sugar Ray Robinson
Sammy Agott vs. Willie Pep
Carmen Basilio vs. Sugar Ray Robinson
Joe Frazier vs. Muhammad Ali
Vicente Saldivar vs. Ismael Laguna
Roberto Duran vs. Ken Buchanan
Roberto Duran vs. Sugar Ray Leonard


Please don't bother to post unless you're going to make some effort.

Duran v Leonard? Bull v Matador? Quite happy with that?

[Drew101]

Marciano vs. Charles (I and II)
Marciano vs. Walcott
Marciano vs. Moore
Tony Zale vs. Georgie Abrams

[Robbi]

Please don't bother to post unless you're going to make some effort.

Duran v Leonard? Bull v Matador? Quite happy with that?

Duran v Leonard I was brawler v brawler, even though we think of Duran as an aggressive fighter and Leonard as a slick intelligent boxer.

[sweet_scientist]

Please don't bother to post unless you're going to make some effort.

:D

Duran v Leonard? Bull v Matador? Quite happy with that?

I'd call this fight a case of the Matador getting caught between the Bulls' horns.

[teeto]

I dont think Duran-Leonard is a good example , Leonard was not a matador , he has been once or twice , but that was not his game throughout his career. And Duran wasnt a bull either, so much more than that.

You could say Leonard-Hearns 1 (it was in the later rounds)

Chavez-Taylor

Chavez-Camacho

[McGrain]

I'd call this fight a case of the Matador getting caught between the Bulls' horns.

Sir, I think you may be right.

[Stonehands89]

Toney-Nunn.

If Hatton beats Maryweather, that one may be among the best examples.

[McGrain]

If Hatton beats Maryweather, that one may be among the best examples.

It will be.


EDIT: Would be...

[Bill Butcher]

Chavez v camacho?

Good call, that was a bull like performance for JC.

Another 1 was actually an obvious 1... Lamotta (the bronx bull) beating Robinson, the original matador.

[TBooze]

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[Stonehands89]

It will be.


EDIT: Would be...

A prediction? If so, I'll remember it --to heap praise (or derision) upon your head ...

[Longhhorn71]

Isn't Hatton considered to be a "bull" ????

[Robbi]

Toney-Nunn.

If Hatton beats Maryweather, that one may be among the best examples.

Your right. However, Mayweather would be more likely to stand flat-footed and out-punch Hatton, rather than Hatton out-boxing Mayweather. I don't think neither of those will happen, although Mayweather will stand his ground during brief moments.

Hatton will come forward, and Mayweather will box/move and come out the winner either via late TKO or points.

[JohnThomas1]

Louis - Conn almost qualifies but Conn falls a bit short at heavyweight maybe. Louis - Walcott II?

[janitor]

Battling Nelson vs Joe Gans..........or just about anybody he beat for that matter.

[Holmes' Jab]

Montreal version Duran. :good