You know what?...We should ALSO have mma's "boxrec"

[boxingcar]

It's a fucking shame. it really is.
mma fans can only look at sherdog's system. and worst of all , 90% of them actually think that they're shit is "the" reference for all mma sources.

Believe it or not , even Fedor's record is not "complete".
They're not listing all his fights and I'm not talking about "amateur" fights here. I'm talking about "legit" fights , under mma rules.

Same goes for lots of fighters...

[SweetScienceFan]

Fightfinder is very good. Boxrec has just as many flaws, and they can only list what is reported to them.

[Donut62]

Name these fights you can't find. You always bring this up, but I have yet to see any legitimate, sanctioned MMA matches that are not on there, and if they aren't they quickly make the necessary corrections. Fedor claims the same record for himself that the Fightfinder shows.

[boxingcar]

Fightfinder is very good. Boxrec has just as many flaws, and they can only list what is reported to them.

boxrec is not 100% perfect but man , compared to sherdog's fightfinder...IT IS.
sherdog's system is fucking far from being complete.

hell , even [Only registered and activated users can see links]
does a better job for K1...but sherdog , (which is a predominantly a MMA site) can't fucking sort their shit out.

I don't give a shit if they won't list amateur fighters or judo , sambo , bjj , adcc fighters...it's not even the issue..the problem is that they're also ignoring some legit MMA fights...

[SweetScienceFan]

boxrec is not 100% perfect but man , compared to sherdog's fightfinder...IT IS.
sherdog's system is fucking far from being complete.

hell , even [Only registered and activated users can see links]
does a better job for K1...but sherdog , (which is a predominantly a MMA site) can't fucking sort their shit out.

I don't give a shit if they won't list amateur fighters or judo , sambo , bjj , adcc fighters...it's not even the issue..the problem is that they're also ignoring some legit MMA fights...
Which ones?

[SweetScienceFan]

BTW, boxrec is missing a lot of legit boxing fights too. You are acting like it is easy to find, and list every single sanctioned fight in the world.

[boxingcar]

Name these fights you can't find. You always bring this up, but I have yet to see any legitimate, sanctioned MMA matches that are not on there, and if they aren't they quickly make the necessary corrections. Fedor claims the same record for himself that the Fightfinder shows.

The reason why I keep bringing this shit up is because I've seen mma fights on the net in which Fedor was participating , unfortunately I can't find them cause I do not have the name of his other opponents there's like 133 vids for fedor on youtube and i don't think anyone bothered to upload these vids before...

I think i have one of em burned on a DVD. If I find it ,I'll upload it so that you people can see what I'm talking about.

[hopkinsfan07]

BTW, boxrec is missing a lot of legit boxing fights too. You are acting like it is easy to find, and list every single sanctioned fight in the world.

your right its no easy task

[boxingcar]

For example , I remember seeing a fight in which Fedor defeated a sambo/wrestler type opponent but it was under MMA rules , with a ref...and it wasn't "amateur" or some sort of underground type of shit..it was legit...

[hopkinsfan07]

For example , I remember seeing a fight in which Fedor defeated a sambo/wrestler type opponent but it was under MMA rules , with a ref...and it wasn't "amateur" or some sort of underground type of shit..it was legit...

i know what why dont you make your own MMA-REC

i bet you miss some fight in the history of MMA

[boxingcar]

Out of curiosity, is Muhammad Ali's record complete?...are there any pro fights of his which aren't :listed on boxrec?...

[boxingcar]

i know what why dont you make your own MMA-REC

i bet you miss some fight in the history of MMA

Well obviously we can't list all the fucking fights in mma history , but shit , i'm not asking for much...all im saying , is to have a site which is at least as professional as boxrec , or specialised like, boxrec.

cause sherdog's fightfinder certainly isn't.

[Donut62]

The reason why I keep bringing this shit up is because I've seen mma fights on the net in which Fedor was participating , unfortunately I can't find them cause I do not have the name of his other opponents there's like 133 vids for fedor on youtube and i don't think anyone bothered to upload these vids before...

I think i have one of em burned on a DVD. If I find it ,I'll upload it so that you people can see what I'm talking about.


You're not making a very good case here. Shit you have seen on Youtube but can't find is not a substitute for a legitimate, organized, somewhat sanctioned event that publishes official results. Boxrec has the advantage of a worldwide standardized set of rules upheld by world sanctioning bodies, anthing on there can be obtained in written record by contacting the WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO etc etc. MMA is a patchwork quilt of various rules, events, and locations that often occur under very shady circumstances. Sherdog has standards for an event held to qualify it for a professional MMA event, and Fedor beating some Lithuanian guy, whose name is unknown, up in the back of a bar in a location/date unknown, for $500 doesn't make the cut.

[boxingcar]

You're not making a very good case here. Shit you have seen on Youtube but can't find is not a substitute for a legitimate, organized, somewhat sanctioned event that publishes official results. Boxrec has the advantage of a worldwide standardized set of rules upheld by world sanctioning bodies, anthing on there can be obtained in written record by contacting the WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO etc etc. MMA is a patchwork quilt of various rules, events, and locations that often occur under very shady circumstances. Sherdog has standards for an event held to qualify it for a professional MMA event, and Fedor beating some Lithuanian guy, whose name is unknown, up in the back of a bar in a location/date unknown, for $500 doesn't make the cut.

I know that but sherdog also listed fedor's "rings" fights did they not?

and we all know that "rings" is a fucking hybrid , not 100% mma. (compared to pride , ufc , cage rage or vale tudo in general)..it's fucking limited.

the point is...if they're listing "rings" fights...and if they're even listing "pancrase" fights...then they should also be adding these fights I'm talking about...

[SweetScienceFan]

The reason why I keep bringing this shit up is because I've seen mma fights on the net in which Fedor was participating , unfortunately I can't find them cause I do not have the name of his other opponents there's like 133 vids for fedor on youtube and i don't think anyone bothered to upload these vids before...

I think i have one of em burned on a DVD. If I find it ,I'll upload it so that you people can see what I'm talking about.
This isn't making sense to me. Just because you don't know who you are seeing in a video, you are blamming the accuracy and professionalism of fight finder? I am sure that there are boxing Hightlight videos out there in which you don't know everyone that you see. Do you blame boxrec for that? Hell, at least fightfinder has pictures with most of their known fighters, boxrec doesn't even have that to go by.

[boxingcar]

This isn't making sense to me. Just because you don't know who you are seeing in a video, you are blamming the accuracy and professionalism of fight finder?

isn't it their job? it's a fucking mma site is it not?...I'm not the specialist here. They are!...

[SweetScienceFan]

isn't it their job? it's a fucking mma site is it not?...I'm not the specialist here. They are!...
What? How do you know that the person you saw in the video isn't on there? You simply don't know who they are. Is there supposed to be a search result for "guy you saw in a HL video, but don't know who he is"?

[boxingcar]

What? How do you know that the person you saw in the video isn't on there? You simply don't know who they are. Is there supposed to be a search result for "guy you saw in a HL video, but don't know who he is"?

because if you look the screencaps one by one..you won't find it.
I've seen all of fedor's fights that are listed on his sherdog resume...I would've recognised it...

I can understand why they're not listing his judo or sambo fights...but i'm talking about a real MMA fight...I'm not delusional.

[SweetScienceFan]

because if you look the screencaps one by one..you won't find it.
I've seen all of fedor's fights that are listed on his sherdog resume...I would've recognised it...

I can understand why they're not listing his judo or sambo fights...but i'm talking about a real MMA fight...I'm not delusional.
Fedor uses the same record for himself as fightfinder does, so obviously you are mistaken. Also, of course they are not going to list judo, sambo, wrestling, kickboxing, muay thai, ect... those are different sports, which can be found on their own accord. Fightfinder is only for mma, and I don't believe that Fedor has any sanctioned MMA events which aren't listed on fightfinder.

[boxingcar]

Fedor uses the same record for himself as fightfinder does, so obviously you are mistaken. Also, of course they are not going to list judo, sambo, wrestling, kickboxing, muay thai, ect... those are different sports, which can be found on their own accord. Fightfinder is only for mma, and I don't believe that Fedor has any sanctioned MMA events which aren't listed on fightfinder.

and that's what is troubling me...There's 2 fights of his which aren't listed on his own site...

[SweetScienceFan]

and that's what is troubling me...There's 2 fights of his which aren't listed on his own site...
What does that tell you? Maybe they weren't properly sanctioned fights.

Also, the only fight that I know there is a question about, that isn't listed on Sherdog is a win by choke over Martin Lazarev.

Here is a shitty video of that fight.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[boxingcar]

What does that tell you? Maybe they weren't properly sanctioned fights.

Also, the only fight that I know there is a question about, that isn't listed on Sherdog is a win by choke over Martin Lazarev.

Here is a shitty video of that fight.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

ok , coincidence..I just found that one on dailymotion about a minute ago

[SweetScienceFan]

As you can see, the fight wasn't normal. His opponent wasn't wearing gloves, and didn't even attempt a strike the entire fight. It must have been some sort of special rules fight, which wasn't sanctioned as a real MMA fight.

[boxingcar]

As you can see, the fight wasn't normal. His opponent wasn't wearing gloves, and didn't even attempt a strike the entire fight. It must have been some sort of special rules fight, which wasn't sanctioned as a real MMA fight.

Shit , I can't access the video now for some reason...how about fedor? is he wearing gloves?

there's a few fights in which wanderlei silva has no gloves too...(in his vale tudo fights) and they're listed on sherdog

[SweetScienceFan]

Shit , I can't access the video now for some reason...how about fedor? is he wearing gloves?

there's a few fights in which wanderlei silva has no gloves too...(in his vale tudo fights) and they're listed on sherdog
Fedor is wearing gloves, his opponent is not wearing gloves. Fedor is striking, his opponent is not striking. My guess would be that it was a special rules fight, in which the other man opted to not use gloves in order to be able to grapple better. However, by not using gloves, he probably wasn't allowed to punch.

[boxingcar]

Ok , my bad then...still , there's two other fights missing and anyway , you see , I'm not paranoid!...I remember seeing fedor in other vids...and they're not listed on his site.

[SweetScienceFan]

Ok , my bad then...still , there's two other fights missing and anyway , you see , I'm not paranoid!...I remember seeing fedor in other vids...and they're not listed on his site.
I am sure, but you have to realize now that not everything is as it appears in a HL video. There are several spin off type events that really don't qualify as a real MMA fight. So, most likely whatever other fights you are thinking of, aren't actually MMA fights. On another note, I am sure that there are several MMA matches not listed on fight finder. Just as their are several boxing matches not listed on boxrec. It is impossible to track down and record every event that ever took place.

[boxingcar]

It is impossible to track down and record every event that ever took place.

Ok , but they should at least do an effort for big time champs or at least Top 20 fighters. You obviously can't track down every single fights in any combat sports but when a name like nogueira or wandy or penn..etc is involved...it's not too much to ask imo.

I mean...seriously...
Ok...FORGET the unlisted fights....

what about this SHIT!!!???
[Only registered and activated users can see links]

and this!!! Fat guy? WTF!
[Only registered and activated users can see links]

this is not professional.

[AJAX]

well they don't put Kimbo's fights on there.And he is very legit, they even have rules and a ref, shouldn't that be on sherdog?:yep

[Beebs]

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

This doesn't have any more fights listed for Fedor either, and neither does his website, I think you might just have seen a match you aren't familiar with.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[Beebs]

Ok , but they should at least do an effort for big time champs or at least Top 20 fighters. You obviously can't track down every single fights in any combat sports but when a name like nogueira or wandy or penn..etc is involved...it's not too much to ask imo.

I mean...seriously...
Ok...FORGET the unlisted fights....

what about this SHIT!!!???
[Only registered and activated users can see links]

and this!!! Fat guy? WTF!
[Only registered and activated users can see links]

this is not professional.

You can only go on what the promoters give to you, especially on Shooto shows from the fucking 80s.

"Fat Guy" probably did not give a name to the promoters, or the promoters didn't give it to Sherdog.

Why are you on such a crusade against probably the most helpful tool for MMA fans out there?

[younghypnotiq]

LMFAO they put his name as Fat Guy

[scurlaruntings]

Man why are you dudes jumping down his neck? He makes a valid point.I doubt many of you remember when Sherdog was a wreck of a site with random back yard brawls posted on it and the occasional pit fight.Now its a legitmate source for MMA.Its not the best in the world but something is better than nothing but it could certainly be improved along the lines of Boxrec.

[achillesthegreat]

boxrec is invaluable. nothing is really perfect. with this in mind, it is legendary.

[mantis_boxing]

Actually there's another MMA fight finder. Better than Sherdog's just forgot the site. Search for full cointact fighter a bit and you'll find it in no time...