How many of Vitali Klitschko's opponents were ranked?

[mr. magoo]

I'm just curious if anyone knows. I could be wrong, but I think it possible that Danny Williams, Corrie Sanders, Timo Hoffman, Larry Donald, Kirk Johnson, Vaugn Bean, Obed Sullivan, Herbie Hide, and Ed Mahone, may all have been ranked.

I'm also not necessarily looking for ring magazine ratings, but the governing body listings, if anyone knows.

[Thread Stealer]

I don't know.

The Ring rankings you can just look up on boxrec, but the alphabet rankings will be harder to dig up.

[mr. magoo]

I don't know.

The Ring rankings you can just look up on boxrec, but the alphabet rankings will be harder to dig up.

Yeah, I've never really been successful at looking up alpha ratings myself. I'm guessing that most of the men who I listed, had to have been rated, because some of those fights were for titles of one kind or another.

[PowerPuncher]

I'm just curious if anyone knows. I could be wrong, but I think it possible that Danny Williams, Corrie Sanders, Timo Hoffman, Larry Donald, Kirk Johnson, Vaugn Bean, Obed Sullivan, Herbie Hide, and Ed Mahone, may all have been ranked.

I'm also not necessarily looking for ring magazine ratings, but the governing body listings, if anyone knows.

Top 10 Ring?

Williams - probably bottom end but maybe shouldnt have been, had lost to Sprott the year before and would go on to lose to Audley in 1 round after losing to Skeleton. Also lost to the might of Sinal Sam and Julian Francis

Sanders - YES, coming off a massive win

Hoffman - NO WAY, never top 10

Donald - NO, coming off a loss and a draw

Johnson - YES but probably bottom end after losing to Ruiz

Bean - NO WAY, never top 10

Sullivan - NO WAY, never top 10

Hide - maybe was ranked but he never beat a ranked opponent himself. Also 1999 was an excellent year and he probably wasnt cracking the top 10 with the likes of Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield, Byrd, Ike Ibeauchi, Tua, Golota, Vitali, Wlad, Briggs, Rahman, Ruiz all on the scene

Mahone - No way, never top 103

Governing bodies Top10s are garbage so they arent to be included - lets not forget dead men being ranked (literally), McNeely being ranked, etc etc

[SuzieQ49]

vitali lacks a big name on his win resume

[mr. magoo]

vitali lacks a big name on his win resume

Legendary names, yes. There are no Holyfields, Tysons, Lewis's, Foremans or Holmes' on his win record. He does however, have a fair amount of wins over some of the better contenders of his time, for whatever thats worth.

[Asterion]

I'm just curious if anyone knows. I could be wrong, but I think it possible that Danny Williams, Corrie Sanders, Timo Hoffman, Larry Donald, Kirk Johnson, Vaugn Bean, Obed Sullivan, Herbie Hide, and Ed Mahone, may all have been ranked.

I'm also not necessarily looking for ring magazine ratings, but the governing body listings, if anyone knows.


Ranked by The Ring: Herbie Hide (#7), Kirk Johnson (#5), Corrie Sanders (#3) and Danny Williams (#9).

Ranked by the WBA/WBC/IBF/WBO: Herbie Hide (WBO belt), Ed Mahone, Obed Sullivan, Vaughn Bean, Larry Donald, Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders (WBO belt) and Danny Williams.

At one time, Vitali was the #1 contender for all the sanctioning bodies (or, at least, the WBC, WBA and WBO). Wlad was in the same position in late 2005.

[bumdujour]

Top 10 Ring?

Williams - probably bottom end but maybe shouldnt have been, had lost to Sprott the year before and would go on to lose to Audley in 1 round after losing to Skeleton. Also lost to the might of Sinal Sam and Julian Francis

Sanders - YES, coming off a massive win

Hoffman - NO WAY, never top 10

Donald - NO, coming off a loss and a draw

Johnson - YES but probably bottom end after losing to Ruiz

Bean - NO WAY, never top 10

Sullivan - NO WAY, never top 10

Hide - maybe was ranked but he never beat a ranked opponent himself. Also 1999 was an excellent year and he probably wasnt cracking the top 10 with the likes of Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield, Byrd, Ike Ibeauchi, Tua, Golota, Vitali, Wlad, Briggs, Rahman, Ruiz all on the scene

Mahone - No way, never top 103

Governing bodies Top10s are garbage so they arent to be included - lets not forget dead men being ranked (literally), McNeely being ranked, etc etc

i dont think you can consider sanders a "ranked" fighter. cause fighters usually fall from the rankings after a year of inactivity.

and corrie had been inactive for over a year if i remember right.

so he should be off the list imo.

[mr. magoo]

Ranked by The Ring: Herbie Hide (#7), Kirk Johnson (#5), Corrie Sanders (#3) and Danny Williams (#9).

Ranked by the WBA/WBC/IBF/WBO: Herbie Hide (WBO belt), Ed Mahone, Obed Sullivan, Vaughn Bean, Larry Donald, Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders (WBO belt) and Danny Williams.

At one time, Vitali was the #1 contender for all the sanctioning bodies (or, at least, the WBC, WBA and WBO). Wlad was in the same position in late 2005.

Thanks a lot. Just so I know, where can you still look up gverning body ratings of previous years? A long time ago, I collected ring mags, and there was a section of the magazine that showed the ratings of the IBF, WBC and WBA. That was long ago though.

[mr. magoo]

i dont think you can consider sanders a "ranked" fighter. cause fighters usually fall from the rankings after a year of inactivity.

and corrie had been inactive for over a year if i remember right.

so he should be off the list imo.

yeah but he was coming off a second round knockout over Wlad 13 months earlier, which was for a title. I don't think he could have fallen out completely.

[SuzieQ49]

Legendary names, yes. There are no Holyfields, Tysons, Lewis's, Foremans or Holmes' on his win record. He does however, have a fair amount of wins over some of the better contenders of his time, for whatever thats worth


better contenders of his time like who??

chris bryd? no he lost

lennox lewis? no he lost

david tua? no

ike ibeubuchi? no

hasim rahman? o thats right he pulled out 4 times in the last second.

[mr. magoo]

better contenders of his time like who??

chris bryd? no he lost

lennox lewis? no he lost

david tua? no

ike ibeubuchi? no

hasim rahman? o thats right he pulled out 4 times in the last second. chicken.

Well, some posters have actually made some nice contributions to this thread by listing quite a few men who he defeated. I'm not saying that Williams, Sanders, Hide, Hoffman, or any of the others were great fighters, but they weren't bums either, and were obviously ranked fighters at the time. I also want to point out, that he was winning both the Byrd and Lewis fights before sustaining injuries that forced him to resign, which was no fault of his own.

[SuzieQ49]

Kirk Johnson truelly was a "harpooned whale" when he fought vitali. he weighed in at an obese 261lb, about 30-35lb overweight of his regular 230lb total. He looked disgusting, johnson shouldnt even have been granted a boxing liscense to fight being in the kind of shape he was in.



btw, anyone know what happened to my former enemy Dr. Z?

[mr. magoo]

Kirk Johnson truelly was a "harpooned whale" when he fought vitali. he weighed in at an obese 261lb, about 30-35lb overweight of his regular 230lb total. He looked disgusting, johnson shouldnt even have been granted a boxing liscense to fight being in the kind of shape he was in.



[QUOTE]
btw, anyone know what happened to my former enemy Dr. Z?


Dr. Z left ESB to start his own forum, but never really got it off the ground. I haven't spoken nore heard from him in months.

[SuzieQ49]

not to sound like a prick.......but thank god.

[janitor]

He beat verry few ranked contenders and that is why he is a bit of a paper tiger.

Ironicaly his claim to be a lineal heavyweight champion is probably better than Marvin Harts was.

[PowerPuncher]

Legendary names, yes. There are no Holyfields, Tysons, Lewis's, Foremans or Holmes' on his win record. He does however, have a fair amount of wins over some of the better contenders of his time, for whatever thats worth.

No he does not. Best contenders of his time outside the big names:

Ibeauchi
Wlad
Tua
Rahman
Ruiz
Maskeev
Byrd
Brewster

Vitali fought 1 and lost

[PowerPuncher]

btw, anyone know what happened to my former enemy Dr. Z?

You mean Mendoza? Get with the programme

[barneyrub]

Well, some posters have actually made some nice contributions to this thread by listing quite a few men who he defeated. I'm not saying that Williams, Sanders, Hide, Hoffman, or any of the others were great fighters, but they weren't bums either, and were obviously ranked fighters at the time. I also want to point out, that he was winning both the Byrd and Lewis fights before sustaining injuries that forced him to resign, which was no fault of his own.correct, it was the fault of the opponent who caused him to be unable to continue! He wasnt winning against Lewis, not at the end of rd 6 when the ref stopped it.

[JohnThomas1]

correct, it was the fault of the opponent who caused him to be unable to continue! He wasnt winning against Lewis, not at the end of rd 6 when the ref stopped it.

People look at the Lewis fight as some sort of rip off or bad luck, the truth is Lewis punched half his fukking face off :yep

Is this unlucky or ripped of? Not likey, as you point out.

[amhlilhaus]

correct, it was the fault of the opponent who caused him to be unable to continue! He wasnt winning against Lewis, not at the end of rd 6 when the ref stopped it.

and he would have won the byrd fight by circling, jabbing with his good arm and clinching, but he didn't.

[PowerPuncher]

and he would have won the byrd fight by circling, jabbing with his good arm and clinching, but he didn't.

He was out of stamina in the Byrd fight too and running out of steam

[Woddy]

[quote=barneyrub]correct, it was the fault of the opponent who caused him to be unable to continue!


Yeah, Chris Byrd's amazing style caused Vitali's shoulder to just rip apart right?

[Woddy]

He wasnt winning against Lewis, not at the end of rd 6 when the ref stopped it.

Did you see this fight? I don't think you did. Here is some youtube coverage showing round to round action. It sure looked to me like Lewis was getting his ass kicked and from time to time a score would appear on the screen showing Vitali ahead. I also liked how after the stoppage Klitschko raised his hands, and most of the fans cheared despite the loss. Then for months after the fight demanded that he get a rematch. I would also like to hear why you think that a torn rotator cuff was caused by Chris Byrd's efforts.

Watch this and tell me honestly if you think Lewis was leading in that fight. The second link shows an article from the boxing times clearly stating that " despite being ahead on all three judges scorecards, the fight was stopped"

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[mr. magoo]

Did you see this fight? I don't think you did. Here is some youtube coverage showing round to round action. It sure looked to me like Lewis was getting his ass kicked and from time to time a score would appear on the screen showing Vitali ahead. I also liked how after the stoppage Klitschko raised his hands, and most of the fans cheared despite the loss. Then for months after the fight demanded that he get a rematch. I would also like to hear why you think that a torn rotator cuff was caused by Chris Byrd's efforts.

Watch this and tell me honestly if you think Lewis was leading in that fight. The second link shows an article from the boxing times clearly stating that " despite being ahead on all three judges scorecards, the fight was stopped"

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I saw that article to, and from memory Klit was definately ahead on the scorecards.

Oh well, looks like Barneyrub has been owned, and from the sound of it, I don't know if John Thomas saw that fight either. Although I do agree that the fight needed to be stopped, as Klit's face was looking bad.

[Woddy]

I saw that article to, and from memory Klit was definately ahead on the scorecards.

Oh well, looks like Barneyrub has been owned, and from the sound of it, I don't know if John Thomas saw that fight either. Although I do agree that the fight needed to be stopped, as Klit's face was looking bad.

I don't think that Barney Rubble saw either the Chris Byrd or Lennox Lewis fights, judging by his statements. Lewis was past his prime and still won the fight so I don't hold the performance against him, but anyone who thinks that he was winning through six rounds needs to get their eyes checked.