PDA

View Full Version : boxers you are sure

rendog67
07-02-2007, 03:26 PM
would have won a rematch

was there a fighter who lost a fight and never got the chance to avenge his loss and you are positive they would have changed something and won the rematch

hagler vs leonard and foreman vs ali spring to mind
Danny Ocean
07-02-2007, 03:30 PM
tyson douglas
Eric_Suede
07-02-2007, 03:33 PM
Klitchsko vs. Purrity. It'll be a snoozer but Wlad will get the UD.

Tyson vs. Douglas. If Tyson were to have gotten in shape and rematch Douglas , Buster would've gotten KO'd

Holmes vs. Spinks- Wait he did win the rematch but the robbed him :nut

Hopkins Vs. RJJ- If they were to fight now, I'll take executioner hands down.

Last one for now.........

Tate Vs. Weaver. True definition of "lucky Punch" . Weaver was a scrub. Had Tate gotten a rematch rather than face berbick he would've won.
Bigcat
07-02-2007, 03:37 PM
tyson douglas

Exactly...

you beat me to it......:good
thewoo
07-02-2007, 03:39 PM
DLH against Trinidad. I felt he beat him the first time and would have made a bigger effort to seal the deal the second time around.
Thread Stealer
07-02-2007, 03:40 PM
Tyson-Douglas: Like he did against Evander, Douglas would've shown up fat and looked for a nice spot to lie down and then enjoy his $20+ million.

DLH against Trinidad. I felt he beat him the first time and would have made a bigger effort to seal the deal the second time around.

I also scored it for DLH, but I'm not sure if him being tired and then trying to finish off a puncher like Trinidad would've been a good idea.
MagnaNasakki
07-02-2007, 03:46 PM
DLH-Trinidad is one rematch I think Oscar would have wonby KO. I think he could have in the first fight, but chose to box and run and it cost him. He would fight the rematch just as elusive, twice as agreessive, and would have gotten Tito out of there.

Tyson would have squashed Buster in 3 rounds or less in a remtach,

See, I think Leonard-Hagler 2 would have been a pick 'em, but Id have picked Hagler.

I'd pick Wladdy boy to destroy Purrity, and we'll see this Saturday with Brewster, but Im fairly sure he'll win.

Klitschko would have dominated and Koed Lewis in a rematch. Lewis retired cause he knew he was spent and got a little lucky with that cut, though he did win fair and square. Vitali butchers a shot Lewis in a rematch.
Thread Stealer
07-02-2007, 03:57 PM
RJJ vs James Toney. AT LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT!

Roy beats him regardless.
Lacyace
07-02-2007, 03:57 PM
George Foreman would've beat Ali in the rematch. I think I'm sure of it.
hopkinsfan07
07-02-2007, 04:04 PM
tyson douglas

i agree

and taylor - Wright
Bad Blood
07-02-2007, 04:22 PM
Donald Curry-Lloyd Honeyghan-Curry was a walking dead man that night
Joel Casamayor-Acelino Freitas- I Casamayor won the first one
thewoo
07-02-2007, 04:25 PM
Joel Casamayor-Acelino Freitas- I Casamayor won the first one


I agree on this one. That bogus KD made the difference in the fight. I think that the second time around Joel would have gotten off to a faster start.
Bad Blood
07-02-2007, 04:31 PM
I agree on this one. That bogus KD made the difference in the fight. I think that the second time around Joel would have gotten off to a faster start.

Freitas knew it to. Which is why he avoided Casamayor like the plague.
Thread Stealer
07-02-2007, 04:45 PM
Haha yea right! Toney would END RJJ at light heavy.

Yeah, when Toney fought 2 very close fights with Griffin and lost to Drake Thadazi I was thinking "damn, if only Roy Jones were in the other corner and not Drake Thadazi, Toney would be killing him!".
Guru_Too_You
07-02-2007, 04:54 PM
George Foreman would've beat Ali in the rematch. I think I'm sure of it.
Absolutely.

Hagler would have beaten Leonard if he was ever given the opportunity as well a la Hearns.
Mike T
07-02-2007, 05:39 PM
Even though they did rematch I think Hearns would've beaten Leonard a year or two after their first fight.
PBF P4P #1
07-02-2007, 05:42 PM
Judah over Baldomir
Irish Steel
07-02-2007, 06:16 PM
Castillo vs FLoyd.....
digiram
07-02-2007, 06:22 PM
DLH against Trinidad. I felt he beat him the first time and would have made a bigger effort to seal the deal the second time around.

Yap...I thought he beat Mosely in the second, but it was definitely extremely close and could've gone either way.

Zoo vs. Hatton. Fight was still really close going into the 12th. With some adjustments, I think Zoo could've KO'd Hatton in a rematch.
BeReal
07-02-2007, 06:53 PM
Recently : Zab/Baldomir
ajohnfp
07-02-2007, 06:55 PM
George Foreman would've beat Ali in the rematch. I think I'm sure of it.

Maybe in 1994, but not in the seventies. At least, not from what I saw of that bout.
BobDigi5060
07-02-2007, 06:57 PM
No Marquez/Pacman? I still think Marquez beats him.

Barrera? No dice.
Titan1
07-02-2007, 07:05 PM
Page-Berbick
Dokes-Coetzee
Tucker-Tyson
Chandler-Sandoval
Mancini-Arguello
Davis Jr-Watt
Young-Vilela
pryorgatti
07-02-2007, 07:42 PM
Whitaker against DLH in 1997, past his prime but still
SchweitzerMan
07-02-2007, 08:14 PM
I think Hearns would have had a greater chance in a rematch against Hagler
PorkChopExpress
07-02-2007, 08:23 PM
Tszyu - Hatton II...
hopkinsfan07
07-02-2007, 09:46 PM
Yeah, when Toney fought 2 very close fights with Griffin and lost to Drake Thadazi I was thinking "damn, if only Roy Jones were in the other corner and not Drake Thadazi, Toney would be killing him!".

lol yep Jones would of killed him
MSTR
07-02-2007, 10:22 PM
Kostya Tszyu vs Ricky Hatton: KT with a better gameplan Kostya Tszyu vs Vince Phillips: Better gameplan again. Tyson v Douglas. Klit v Purrity. Klit vs Brewster.
MSTR
07-02-2007, 10:24 PM
Yeah, when Toney fought 2 very close fights with Griffin and lost to Drake Thadazi I was thinking "damn, if only Roy Jones were in the other corner and not Drake Thadazi, Toney would be killing him!".
I love seeing Newbies get owned!!!
madjabber
07-03-2007, 01:51 AM
How come Wladimir Klit never rematched corrie sanders?
Stinky gloves
07-03-2007, 01:53 AM
Roy beats him regardless.

Not at HW
BoppaZoo
07-03-2007, 05:32 AM
Tszyu vs Hatton 2 anywhere else but the UK.

the fight wouldnt even be close. especially if Jay Nady was the ref hell Hatton wouldnt have been able to grab Tszyu more than twice without starting to lose points.
koko of phil
07-03-2007, 08:45 AM
Hopkins on RJJ.
DonPrestige
07-03-2007, 08:50 AM
Def Tyson-Douglas

Also I have just been arguing it so Vitali-Lennox.



I thought Ali-Foreman never had a rematch because George slipped in to deep depression.
ThePlugInBabies
07-03-2007, 08:52 AM
benn-eubank III

there should have been a third to create a great trilogy, benn won their second fight but got robbed, benn would have given eubank hell in a third encounter.
rendog67
07-03-2007, 10:58 AM
vivian harris would have murdered carlos maussa in a rematch
quintonjacksonfan
07-03-2007, 11:05 AM
Zoo against Philips
Titan1
07-04-2007, 12:43 PM
Kenty-O'Grady
kg0208
07-04-2007, 12:58 PM
Not at HW

The HW version of Jones beats the slow plodding but good counter punching HW version of Toney as well. Toney can't beat Jones.
BeReal
07-04-2007, 01:01 PM
Bell/Mormeck...........3, Bell would take it

Tyson/McBride
miamite
07-04-2007, 01:34 PM
That's why there was never a rematch...

Ali = slightly overrated Because some poster thinks Foreman would have lost? :huh

Wrong. The Ali - Foreman rematch was scheduled to be held after the Foreman - Young bout. What happened? Foreman got schooled by Jimmy Young, and didn't come back for another 10 years.

Fact is, an older Ali outclassed George, and it's hard to say Foreman won more than a couple rounds. A rematch was going to be set up, but Foreman lost to someone Ali beat narrowly, and thats all that matters.
aliwasthegreatest
07-04-2007, 01:40 PM
the problem with watching the rumble is that people seem to remember a fight where ali is getting hurt all the time and foreman tires out. that didn't happen. fact is foreman wasn't landing much at all and ali was just letting him swing away.
DaHead242
07-04-2007, 01:51 PM
In my opinion, Nelson would have beat Sanchez if there was a rematch
Napoleon
07-04-2007, 01:51 PM
Not at HW

Atleast Roy won a belt at HW.

Toney did nothing but take steroids.
sues2nd
07-04-2007, 01:53 PM
Hopkins - RJJ
1lehudson
07-04-2007, 03:23 PM
cant believe how many people are saying Hopkins would beat Jones in a rematch, I would venue to guess that most of you saying that didnt see that fight. The fight wasnt close and Jones had a broken hand, he beat Hopkins just using his jab and left hooks. Hopkins for his part never had confidence that he couls actaully beat Jones would is pretty clear by the fact that he was demanding 50/50 money even though Jones was the name, and had the titles not to mention the win. Even after Jones fall off and started to lose fights Hopkins wasnt that hot on making the fight with Jones.


Another one is Floyd Castillo....How many rematches did he need to beat Floyd, because I recall him losing the second fight pretty handily.
sues2nd
07-04-2007, 03:34 PM
cant believe how many people are saying Hopkins would beat Jones in a rematch, I would venue to guess that most of you saying that didnt see that fight. The fight wasnt close and Jones had a broken hand, he beat Hopkins just using his jab and left hooks. Hopkins for his part never had confidence that he couls actaully beat Jones would is pretty clear by the fact that he was demanding 50/50 money even though Jones was the name, and had the titles not to mention the win. Even after Jones fall off and started to lose fights Hopkins wasnt that hot on making the fight with Jones.


Another one is Floyd Castillo....How many rematches did he need to beat Floyd, because I recall him losing the second fight pretty handily.

Your counting Jones' broken hand, yet ignoring the fact of how much BETTER Hop got after that fight. Hop, tho having around the same amount of professional fights as Roy had, didnt have nearly the amateur career Roy did. That was no where NEAR a prime Bernard Hopkins.

I have seen the fight, watched it quite a few times (Hop and Jones are two of my favorite fighters...all time), and it was close...but if that rematch happened after the Tito fight, like they had "tried" to make it. I have no doubt, THAT version of Bernard would have defeated Roy.

Of course they were too stubborn (YES BOTH OF THEM...I hate it when Hop fans blame Roy and Jones fans blame Bernard) to make it happen...so we will never know. And now, Bernard probably shuts him out.
1lehudson
07-04-2007, 04:07 PM
Your counting Jones' broken hand, yet ignoring the fact of how much BETTER Hop got after that fight. Hop, tho having around the same amount of professional fights as Roy had, didnt have nearly the amateur career Roy did. That was no where NEAR a prime Bernard Hopkins.

I have seen the fight, watched it quite a few times (Hop and Jones are two of my favorite fighters...all time), and it was close...but if that rematch happened after the Tito fight, like they had "tried" to make it. I have no doubt, THAT version of Bernard would have defeated Roy.

Of course they were too stubborn (YES BOTH OF THEM...I hate it when Hop fans blame Roy and Jones fans blame Bernard) to make it happen...so we will never know. And now, Bernard probably shuts him out.Now after that part about Hopkins not having an amatuer career proves you dont know what your talking about. Hopkins was 98-5 as an amatuer, Jones 121-13 as an amatuer. Hopkins was nubmer 1 Jones was number 2, Hopkins was 27 Jones 23, Hopkins had been a pro longer and had more fights, yet you want us to believe that Hopkins got better and Jones didnt???
sues2nd
07-04-2007, 04:53 PM
Now after that part about Hopkins not having an amatuer career proves you dont know what your talking about. Hopkins was 98-5 as an amatuer, Jones 121-13 as an amatuer. Hopkins was nubmer 1 Jones was number 2, Hopkins was 27 Jones 23, Hopkins had been a pro longer and had more fights, yet you want us to believe that Hopkins got better and Jones didnt???

I know fully what I am talking about. I think its you that doesnt have your facts/opinions straight

Jones had more (31 fights isnt MUCH more....couldve fooled me??), at a much, MUCH higher level of amateur boxing. Are you denying that.

Then you mention the age difference...which further shows your lack of knowledge (or lack of bias) toward the subject. While Jones was representing the US in the olympics...Hop was representing cell block C on the chow line. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!! Hop's amateur and pro careers were set FAR back by prison. Are you denying that?

And the pro experience thing is also skewed in your post. Hop fought once in 88 (and lost)...then took a two year layoff. Jones fought straight since 89. Jones was 21 and 0...Hop was 22 and 1....BUT, factor in the amateur backgrounds and Jones was the much more seasoned fighter....against the better competition. Or are you denying that?

Now, we go to the getting better thing. Since they fought both fighters had gotten better, but you can see with your own eyes that Hop evolved into an entirely different fighter....Jones stayed the same, just further perfected his skills. Any denying on that fact?

The Hopkins that beat Tito and the one we have seen since then, has been on another level than the one Jones had become at that point. Hopkins has beaten since then...Tito, Joppy, Tarver (a hell of alot more impressive than Roy did), Oscar, Taylor (most feel he won at least 1 of those fights) and Eastman to name a few. Jones has fought Ruiz, Woods and Tarver...to name a few. So he has fought better comp than Jones since Tito (when the rematch was supposed to happen) and has looked better doing so. Or again, are you denying that?

Now you seem to me like someone who either loves Jones or hates Hopkins (showed so by JUST blaming Bernard for the rematch not happening). So I dont expect you to have a fair opinion. But, look at the above and tell me Hop wouldnt have won that fight....if you still say yes....your insane.

With both being two of my favorites, I tend to have a different view on this than most. So, please, do your homework next time before accusing someone of lacking knowledge on a certain subject.

:hi:
brooklyn1550
07-04-2007, 04:56 PM
James Toney vs. Drake Thadzi
thunder06
07-04-2007, 05:12 PM
dlh-pbf.
chliJs
07-04-2007, 05:16 PM
Castillo vs FLoyd.....

:huh


wright - vargas
sues2nd
07-04-2007, 05:49 PM
1.Jones vs Johnson and I know I;m bout to here it.
2. Holyfeild after all the people he fought after Lewis,
3. Tyson I think could had beat holyfeild, but he just snap

As for Jones - Johnson...that incarnation of Jones couldnt beat Johnson, even now. If the fight had happened earlier in their careers, then yes...it would have been EASILY Jones. But a rematch, after he was so overmatched in the original....I dont know.

And Im sorry, but Tyson just could not beat Evander at any point. Holyfield was just all wrong for Mike (as shown in their first fight...and was already being shown in the rematch). Mike Tyson could not beat Holyfield...