Abraham - What a joke.

[yesihavearm]

Abraham was getting outboxed by "El Cock" untill that bullshit German stoppage.

Fuck me, what was the point in even scoring that fight from the beginning when we knew El Cock had absolutely no chance of getting a decision in Germany.

You think after a performance like that he could mix with guys like Taylor and Pavlik ? Of course he couldnt.

He'll NEVER FIGHT IN THE USA

He'll NEVER FIGHT AN ELITE FIGHTER

I'd love to see a Edison Miranda rematch IN AMERICA, just to see his ass get beatdown again. No 5-point deduction this time, just a tko win for Miranda.

[saul_ir34]

Was the fight that bad???

[kk17]

Yes Abraham was very bad today Abraham wasn't doing anything the only few times Abraham was doing something was before the knockdown in the 2 and the stoppage in the 5.
Maybe the stoppage was too early (i had Elcock ahead on points) but Abraham was on the way k.o. Elcock anyway

If he fights against Pavlik or Taylor like he fights today ( only on the last 30 seconds in ervery round) Abraham would get a beating.

[BJL]

Abraham is 2nd best MW in the world, and he beat Mirandas ass with a destroyed jaw,

[RonnieHornschuh]

early stoppage? the guy was out on his feet! abraham could have seriously injured him with another punch.

[sean]

abraham was lethargic , but lets not get carried away, the second he decided to step on the gas and go through the gears he got elcock out of there.

[BJL]

early stoppage? the guy was out on his feet! abraham could have seriously injured him with another punch.

I agree 100% :good :bbb

[RonnieHornschuh]

i'm not a fan of abraham's lethargic style either. maybe he is worried about his stamina or it's just his style. when he meets pavlik/taylor he should get busier.

[Tom_Tocca]

Elcock totally gone to sleep on his feet - well timed stoppage...but AA was very inactive...he won't win a pts dec vs either American but is able to KO both...

[MrMagic]

Abraham showed us that Pavlik would give him all he could handle.. if he'd walk straight forward with little to no head/upper body movement like that, Pavlik would take his head off.

[TFFP]

But then again if Abraham catches Pavlik, which its pretty obvious he will do when you consider Pavlik's lack of defence the slapheaded American is in trouble

Serious trouble

Knocked out

[MrMagic]

Elcock makes Rahmans chin look good, he's got fucking grade A :rofl

[Sly]

Bad stoppage? You gotta be kidding! Elcock would've been killed if they let it go on. He was OUT. Still upright, but his senses were gone. That's when the horrible stuff happens in boxing...

GREAT stoppage.

[T.C.W]

he won easy I watched it, the other guy was finished good stopage.

[fatdrunkenslob]

Elcock was totally out of it with his hands down by his side. It amazes me how people can say it was a bad stoppage.

[am0kgonzo]

Abraham was getting outboxed by "El Cock" untill that bullshit German stoppage.

Fuck me, what was the point in even scoring that fight from the beginning when we knew El Cock had absolutely no chance of getting a decision in Germany.

You think after a performance like that he could mix with guys like Taylor and Pavlik ? Of course he couldnt.

He'll NEVER FIGHT IN THE USA

He'll NEVER FIGHT AN ELITE FIGHTER

I'd love to see a Edison Miranda rematch IN AMERICA, just to see his ass get beatdown again. No 5-point deduction this time, just a tko win for Miranda.

You are fucking retarded, Elcock was out on his feet.

[Mindspring]

Abraham was getting outboxed by "El Cock" untill that bullshit German stoppage.

Fuck me, what was the point in even scoring that fight from the beginning when we knew El Cock had absolutely no chance of getting a decision in Germany.

You think after a performance like that he could mix with guys like Taylor and Pavlik ? Of course he couldnt.

He'll NEVER FIGHT IN THE USA

He'll NEVER FIGHT AN ELITE FIGHTER

I'd love to see a Edison Miranda rematch IN AMERICA, just to see his ass get beatdown again. No 5-point deduction this time, just a tko win for Miranda.

What you talking about? He had Da'cock out on his feet.

[tonikroos]

Abraham was getting outboxed by "El Cock" untill that bullshit German stoppage.

Fuck me, what was the point in even scoring that fight from the beginning when we knew El Cock had absolutely no chance of getting a decision in Germany.

You think after a performance like that he could mix with guys like Taylor and Pavlik ? Of course he couldnt.

He'll NEVER FIGHT IN THE USA

He'll NEVER FIGHT AN ELITE FIGHTER

I'd love to see a Edison Miranda rematch IN AMERICA, just to see his ass get beatdown again. No 5-point deduction this time, just a tko win for Miranda.


Fuck you!

[nervousxtian]

This isn't the first time that AA has taken 2 1/2 mins off each round.

The guy just doesn't want to work for 3 mins a round.

Stamina or lack of killer instinct, dunno. He has impressive tools, just chooses not to use them all.

[Decebal]

Abraham was getting outboxed by "El Cock" untill that bullshit German stoppage.

If you watch the fight, you have a higher chance of describing accurately what you think happened than if you don't...:yep

[PrideOfWales]

I have no complaints about the timing of the stoppage, it was perfect.

Elcock was kind of standing there in some kind of suspended state with his arms dangling down. I don't see what the problem was.

[Decebal]

After the fight, Abraham was asked why he was "lethargic and passive"...he admitted he was and said that it was nothing to do with his strategy as much as it had with what his opponent was forcing him to do...(I wasn't convinced...)...but then he said he used this time to figure his opponent out, finding his weaknesses, in order to be able to take advantage...(he sure did!):D

[maracho]

Abraham was getting outboxed by "El Cock" untill that bullshit German stoppage.

Fuck me, what was the point in even scoring that fight from the beginning when we knew El Cock had absolutely no chance of getting a decision in Germany.

You think after a performance like that he could mix with guys like Taylor and Pavlik ? Of course he couldnt.

He'll NEVER FIGHT IN THE USA

He'll NEVER FIGHT AN ELITE FIGHTER

I'd love to see a Edison Miranda rematch IN AMERICA, just to see his ass get beatdown again. No 5-point deduction this time, just a tko win for Miranda.

Thats about the most biased post I've heard for some time. Elcock ran and circled more than Virgil Hill's las fight. When Elcock fought or stopped running he got pounded.

I think Abraham looked boring tonight cause he's practicing Winky's style.

[Tom_Tocca]

After the fight, Abraham was asked why he was "lethargic and passive"...he admitted he was and said that it was nothing to do with his strategy as much as it had with what his opponent was forcing him to do...(I wasn't convinced...)...but then he said he used this time to figure his opponent out, finding his weaknesses, in order to be able to take advantage...(he sure did!):D

It was also said during the broadcast that AA had problems making weight and had to loose about 13 lbs during the last week...

[Decebal]

It was also said during the broadcast that AA had problems making wait and had to loose about 13 lbs during the last week...

:good

[Sloan299]

If HBO is willing to show it, he will fight the winner of Pavlik/Taylor next year.

[Tom_Tocca]

This guy will continue to duck the likes of Taylor and Pavlik. He'll just end up being like Felix Sturm.

How can he duck them? He didn't receive an offer lately - and don't tell me about Taylor's offer back in March - AA hadn' even recovered properly from the broken jaw and Taylor just wanted to fight an AA who isn't at a 100%. And also offering not more than the money he earned vs. Demers (about $650k).

Btw, AA's purse for his fight vs. Elcock was about $1.5 million...

[Carlos Primera]

It was also said during the broadcast that AA had problems making weight and had to loose about 13 lbs during the last week...
good. then the rematch with miranda can be made.

[Tom_Tocca]

good. then the rematch with miranda can be made.

Would be a hell of a fight, again. Abraham and his management said that he would only stay at 160 till the end of 2008 - if a unification vs. Pavlik can be made and won by AA, he would immediately step up. He just wants that undisputed championship, then move up...

[Quik]

Would be a hell of a fight, again. Abraham and his management said that he would only stay at 160 till the end of 2008 - if a unification vs. Pavlik can be made and won by AA, he would immediately step up. He just wants that undisputed championship, then move up...

Well he would need to beat Sturm too and im not sure the german promoters would make this fight happen....

[curmudgeon]

Its odd. Guy gets a highlight reel style KO in a previous fight, then casually blows away another very game fighter - and folks a still unhappy.

What the fuck is wrong with you people - this is a clear cut top 3 middleweight with a somewhat ugly style and devastating power. And you make it sound like he is some C class bum.

And what fighting in US has to do with it? He fights where he is paid the most - in a very large and growing boxing market.

Quit bitching.

[iceman]

Its odd. Guy gets a highlight reel style KO in a previous fight, then casually blows away another very game fighter - and folks a still unhappy.

What the fuck is wrong with you people - this is a clear cut top 3 middleweight with a somewhat ugly style and devastating power. And you make it sound like he is some C class bum.

And what fighting in US has to do with it? He fights where he is paid the most - in a very large and growing boxing market.

Quit bitching.

well said , i couldn't agree more:good

[Jersey Boxer]

Abraham is 2nd best MW in the world, and he beat Mirandas ass with a destroyed jaw,


I'd like to see him fight outside of Germany he would get beat like an abandoned stepchild...

I used to think that Abraham was good but then I saw the gift decisions he gets...his promoters are pieces of shit and he would never win against top class opposition on neutral ground...

and MIRANDA would kill him in a remach straight up murder...

[Hrak]

There are some fuckin stupid people here, Abraham knocks this guy out in five and people are complaining, get real , you fuckers should stick to watching Taylor-Spinks.

[Rock0052]

Its odd. Guy gets a highlight reel style KO in a previous fight, then casually blows away another very game fighter - and folks a still unhappy.

What the fuck is wrong with you people - this is a clear cut top 3 middleweight with a somewhat ugly style and devastating power. And you make it sound like he is some C class bum.

And what fighting in US has to do with it? He fights where he is paid the most - in a very large and growing boxing market.

Quit bitching.

Great friggin' post :deal

[sugar_ray]

Did not watch the fight but if a guy is outboxed all the game but still knocks the other guy in the end, its fair enough. Especially with a guy like abraham, dont blame him for winning, blame him for losing. Peace

[Observer]

I get a feeling Abraham's style just changed, he no longer boxes pretty. High guard, some time to figure the opponent out, once gathering information is complete the other guy gets switched off. I thought that kind of approach doesn't leave any space for doubters, but hey...

[geppy]

What a joke. You condsider that an early stoppage, Elcock was out cold standing up. Abraham could of knocked him out as bad he wanted, Elcock was defenseless. Just STFU if you are just going talk total nonsense.

[Odo]

Abraham was getting outboxed by "El Cock" untill that bullshit German stoppage.

Fuck me, what was the point in even scoring that fight from the beginning when we knew El Cock had absolutely no chance of getting a decision in Germany.

You think after a performance like that he could mix with guys like Taylor and Pavlik ? Of course he couldnt.

He'll NEVER FIGHT IN THE USA

He'll NEVER FIGHT AN ELITE FIGHTER

I'd love to see a Edison Miranda rematch IN AMERICA, just to see his ass get beatdown again. No 5-point deduction this time, just a tko win for Miranda.

Bullshit German decision? The ref was American,and there was nothing wrong with the stoppage.
Elcock? A totally overmatched journeyman who went down after Abraham had landed his first telling punch.
Second telling punch,and Elcock was put out of action.
The Brit wasnt a foe worthy of Abraham's steel.A true mismatch!
And what a huge difference to Abraham 's previous foe Khoren Gevor who gave Abraham hell in their encounter.
After watching Abraham vs Elcock for 10 seconds everyone knew that it would only a matter of time.
Lets hope that Abraham and his next opponent will put up a better and more entertaining show!

[Odo]

What a joke. You condsider that an early stoppage, Elcock was out cold standing up. Abraham could of knocked him out as bad he wanted, Elcock was defenseless. Just STFU if you are just going talk total nonsense.

Not only was he totally defenseless but no match at all for Abraham as well.
The ref had really seen enough and knew damn well that the British journeyman could be hurt quite badly.
The American ref did a good job IMO.It didnt make any sense to let that fight contiue! Elcock was totally out of his shoes against Abraham.

[Orang-Utan Jim]

Abraham was getting outboxed by "El Cock" untill that bullshit German stoppage.

Fuck me, what was the point in even scoring that fight from the beginning when we knew El Cock had absolutely no chance of getting a decision in Germany.

You think after a performance like that he could mix with guys like Taylor and Pavlik ? Of course he couldnt.

He'll NEVER FIGHT IN THE USA

He'll NEVER FIGHT AN ELITE FIGHTER

I'd love to see a Edison Miranda rematch IN AMERICA, just to see his ass get beatdown again. No 5-point deduction this time, just a tko win for Miranda.

Sorry but your one of the silliest cunts I ve ever read on this board.:lol: Give me your adress and I´ll send you 5 bucks for help. You are obviously in critical condition. Unbelievable how stupid people can be.....:-(

[Orang-Utan Jim]

For the people of reality the premature german stoppage:


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[Odo]

I'd like to see him fight outside of Germany he would get beat like an abandoned stepchild...

I used to think that Abraham was good but then I saw the gift decisions he gets...his promoters are pieces of shit and he would never win against top class opposition on neutral ground...

and MIRANDA would kill him in a remach straight up murder...

:lol:You are serious,arent you!

If Ikeke vs Abraham had been staged in -say- Iran,or the USA the African would have beaten black and blue,eh!

Gift decisions he gets? Which ones? He has knocked out almost all his opponents in the ring.Gift decisions,eh?

He would never win against top class opposition on neutral ground?
How the hell was he able to beat Ikeke,Gevor,Jantuah,Taylor,Eastman,Velazco,Gardner,and so on?
Makes me think,mate!

Guess they all had been drugged before they entered the ring with Abraham!:D

And as for your laughable statement that Miranda would kill him in a rematch you memory seems to be quite weak.
Miranda wasnt able to murder an severely injured opponent who was bleeding like a shot big losing tons of bloods fighting with a broken jaw for more than 7 rounds.
And as you may remember Abraham was the one who was more likely to take out his opponent than the other way round.
Nevertheless you jester claim that Miranda would murder Abraham in a rematch!

[ChrisPontius]

Bullshit German decision? The ref was American,and there was nothing wrong with the stoppage.
Elcock? A totally overmatched journeyman who went down after Abraham had landed his first telling punch.
Second telling punch,and Elcock was put out of action.
The Brit wasnt a foe worthy of Abraham's steel.A true mismatch!
And what a huge difference to Abraham 's previous foe Khoren Gevor who gave Abraham hell in their encounter.
After watching Abraham vs Elcock for 10 seconds everyone knew that it would only a matter of time.
Lets hope that Abraham and his next opponent will put up a better and more entertaining show!

Elcock was looking the better boxer 90% of the fight and he may have been ahead on the cards during the stoppage - and if he wasn't, it was because of that flash knockdown in the 2nd which he dominated otherwise. Sorry but that's not a mismatch. Elcock has a weak chin and Abraham is a huge puncher, but a mismatch is one-sided: this one was even or even losing on the cards for AA.

[NBT]

Elcock was looking the better boxer 90% of the fight and he may have been ahead on the cards during the stoppage - and if he wasn't, it was because of that flash knockdown in the 2nd which he dominated otherwise. Sorry but that's not a mismatch. Elcock has a weak chin and Abraham is a huge puncher, but a mismatch is one-sided: this one was even or even losing on the cards for AA.
Well, based on exactly what did you decide that "Elcock was looking the better boxer 90% of the fight"? Abraham was literally doing nothing 90% of the fight, how do you judge his boxing skills if he isn't showing anything? And if he decided to do something he showed fast, acurate and heavy punches. Maybe Elcock was ahead but not because he "was the better boxer" but because he was the only one actually boxing most of the time.

[lbarrow]

what happened?

[Tom_Tocca]

what happened?
There you go:

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[Odo]

Elcock was looking the better boxer 90% of the fight and he may have been ahead on the cards during the stoppage - and if he wasn't, it was because of that flash knockdown in the 2nd which he dominated otherwise. Sorry but that's not a mismatch. Elcock has a weak chin and Abraham is a huge puncher, but a mismatch is one-sided: this one was even or even losing on the cards for AA.


Elcock was a harmless fly annoying and molesting a lazy bull-nothing more.
Elcock vs Abraham was a mismatch.Abraham is extremely lethargic and wayward at times-especially in the first few rounds of a fight.He didnt do anything at all for 5 rounds apart from one telling punch which made Elcock go down in round 2(?) of their encounter.As soon as Abraham decided to do a little bit for the 1.500.000$ fight purse the game was over for his totally overmatched opponent.
His previous opponent Khoren Gevor had given Abraham hell in their outstandingly exicting and entertaining fight.This cant be said about Elcock.
I bet my house that Abraham would have ended that fight in the very first round if he hadnt been in that lethargic mood once again.

[ChrisPontius]

Well, based on exactly what did you decide that "Elcock was looking the better boxer 90% of the fight"? Abraham was literally doing nothing 90% of the fight, how do you judge his boxing skills if he isn't showing anything? And if he decided to do something he showed fast, acurate and heavy punches. Maybe Elcock was ahead but not because he "was the better boxer" but because he was the only one actually boxing most of the time.

You said it exactly: Abraham didn't do anything.

I mean, Elcock wasn't landing much flush, but at least he did something. He threw double jabs quite well, and even if they landed on AA's guards, he still gets more points for that than for coming forward and doing fuck all.


Seriously, was AA doing nothing for a few rounds to give the croud their money's worth? But i thought Elcock didn't look that bad... he moved pretty smooth, had some nice combo's..... just that jaw.

[Sloan299]

Seriously, was AA doing nothing for a few rounds to give the croud their money's worth?
Quite Possible. His trainer angrily told him between rounds four and five to pick it up already, and he just knocked him out the very next round.

[Odo]

You said it exactly: Abraham didn't do anything.

I mean, Elcock wasn't landing much flush, but at least he did something. He threw double jabs quite well, and even if they landed on AA's guards, he still gets more points for that than for coming forward and doing fuck all.


Seriously, was AA doing nothing for a few rounds to give the croud their money's worth? But i thought Elcock didn't look that bad... he moved pretty smooth, had some nice combo's..... just that jaw.

Anyone looks good against a fighter who does nothing at all inside a ring just standing there observing his opponent.
Did you watch Gevor vs Abraham? Unlike Elcock who doesnt have much pop in his fists,and who was nothing more than a molesting fly for a few rounds Gevor took a high risk going for Abraham with blazing guns and sharpened steel.
By the way Hamder vs Abraham was a bit similar to Elcock vs Abraham.Abraham seemed to be on drugs throughout the first few rounds with the Australian based Arab in their encounter.However,as soon as he woke up the tables turned and the game was soon over.
Now and then the Armenian is quite lethargic in the ring-especially within the first few rounds of a fight.

A slick,skilled,and fast mover with a telling punch can make him pay for his inactivity outpointing him and winning a point decision.
Someone like Jermain Taylor could have his number.Styles make fights.I for my part think that Abraham would fare much better against Pavlik than against someone like Taylor.

[yesihavearm]

How the hell was he able to beat Ikeke,Gevor,Jantuah,Taylor,Eastman,Velazco,Gardner,and so on?
Makes me think,mate!



Wow and there was me thinking he hadnt taken on any TOP CLASS competition.

[yesihavearm]

Just cuz I dont like Abraham ?

[Kostya Zoo]

Just cuz I dont like Abraham ?

straight up hater

[HolgerD]

The DAMM problem is that you're forced to go for the KO when boxing in Germany and that means taking unnessesary chances. Elcock was the better boxer and could have won that fight by boxing on the safe side. Instead he engaged in a hard exchange and got hit badly. My take is that he felt some pressure to go for a KO ot TKO. That eventually cost him a nice scalp.:-(

[Odo]

The DAMM problem is that you're forced to go for the KO when boxing in Germany and that means taking unnessesary chances. Elcock was the better boxer and could have won that fight by boxing on the safe side. Instead he engaged in a hard exchange and got hit badly. My take is that he felt some pressure to go for a KO ot TKO. That eventually cost him a nice scalp.:-(



:lol:Your post carries off the price,mate!
Once again:Abraham vs Elcock didnt take place in Germany,but in Switzerland.
You are kidding ,arent you! Elcock the better boxer who could have won that fight,but didnt because he tried to knock Abraham out,eh!
Elcock is a feather fisted fighter who crack an egg with his punches.To claim that he is the better boxer makes me smile as it is that ludicrous that I cant take it serious anyway.
"Elcock felt some pressure to go for a ko or a tko":rofl

[Guru_Too_You]

But then again if Abraham catches Pavlik, which its pretty obvious he will do when you consider Pavlik's lack of defence the slapheaded American is in trouble

Serious trouble

Knocked out
Just like Miranda right?

Hell Sherwin Davis and Allan Green both dropped Miranda and Abraham didnt.

[Tom_Tocca]

The DAMM problem is that you're forced to go for the KO when boxing in Germany and that means taking unnessesary chances. Elcock was the better boxer and could have won that fight by boxing on the safe side. Instead he engaged in a hard exchange and got hit badly. My take is that he felt some pressure to go for a KO ot TKO. That eventually cost him a nice scalp.:-(

Watch the fight and think again...

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[HolgerD]

Watch the fight and think again...

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Okay! Who was ahead at the time of the KO? Give me an honest answer. What led to the KO? Give me an honest answer!

[HolgerD]

:lol:Your post carries off the price,mate!
Once again:Abraham vs Elcock didnt take place in Germany,but in Switzerland.
You are kidding ,arent you! Elcock the better boxer who could have won that fight,but didnt because he tried to knock Abraham out,eh!
Elcock is a feather fisted fighter who crack an egg with his punches.To claim that he is the better boxer makes me smile as it is that ludicrous that I cant take it serious anyway.
"Elcock felt some pressure to go for a ko or a tko":rofl

Sorry mate! That's just too lame. Look at the organizer for christ sake!
Secondly. You can't be from Europe. Austria-Germany-Switzerland hosting, with German promotor??? Wake up to reality. Elcock, with a few more brain cells, could have walked away victorious...deal with it!
Elcock looked the better fighter IMO and many many others. Sorry dude.:hat

[Jinx]

Pavlik or Taylor would rip Abraham a new ass....

[HolgerD]

Pavlik or Taylor would rip Abraham a new ass....

If my fingers weren't hurting from todays work, I would add to your list. Abraham's boxing skills are close to average but he does hit hard. I'll give him that.

[C Basilio]

Pavlik takes this clowns head off. But Pavlik should go after Calzaghe first then hope AA gets more recognition in the US then Pavlik should KO him and unify the titles.

[HolgerD]

Pavlik takes this clowns head off. But Pavlik should go after Calzaghe first then hope AA gets more recognition in the US then Pavlik should KO him and unify the titles.

Basilio! Watch out for a healthy Kessler. You probably need to add him to your "calculations".;)

[NBT]

My take is that he felt some pressure to go for a KO ot TKO. That eventually cost him a nice scalp.:-(
:huh It was just a matter of if and when Abraham would start doing something. When he did he walked right through Elcock. The only chance Elcock had for a win was if Abraham had sleepwalked through the whole fight, but come on, how likely is that? Elcock had absolutley no part in this performance, he was just there, it was all Abraham who made that fight like it turned out to be.

[Tom_Tocca]

Okay! Who was ahead at the time of the KO? Give me an honest answer. What led to the KO? Give me an honest answer!

38-37 Abraham

1- Elcock
2- Abraham (10-8 b/c of the kd)
3- Abraham
4- Elcock

Man, Abraham was just playing games with the Britton - he took his time to figure him out...his problem is his inactivity in the ring - he just unloads his punches when he is a 100% sure that he will hit his opponent clean - but what will he do when he doesn't see anything, meaning an opponent that doesn't offer any big flaws to expose for him?

So Taylor might be real bad fight for him to take stylewise.

Pavlik is far more beatable for him than the guy from Arkansas....

[pipe wrenched]

Yesihavearm is a blind Pavlik lover. Abraham took a while to get going, but Elcock was almost comatose where he stood. Should the ref have let him take more shots before saving his life potentially?

Abraham = no.1 MW in the world.

OOOHHHHH NO!!!! YesIhavearm is fucking far from a blind Pavlik lover!:deal He and I have had words several times over his criticizm of Pavlik. I didn't see the AA fight so I won't say much, but I can guarantee you that Ihavearm is not pro-USA or pro-Pavlik, so I'm inclined to believe what the man has said here.

[Tom_Tocca]

OOOHHHHH NO!!!! YesIhavearm is fucking far from a blind Pavlik lover!:deal He and I have had words several times over his criticizm of Pavlik. I didn't see the AA fight so I won't say much, but I can guarantee you that Ihavearm is not pro-USA or pro-Pavlik, so I'm inclined to believe what the man has said here.

No, he is no hater on Abraham but on German boxing as a whole :deal

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[41fever]

Abraham is 2nd best MW in the world, and he beat Mirandas ass with a destroyed jaw,???, MIRANDA was robbed!

[pipe wrenched]

No, he is no hater on Abraham but on German boxing as a whole :deal

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Thank you sir, I will glady watch as I'm intrigued by AA as I get to see little of him. My only real point was: No way in hell is ihavearm a blind Pavlik hugger, no way.:deal

[Tom_Tocca]

Thank you sir, I will glady watch as I'm intrigued by AA as I get to see little of him. My only real point was: No way in hell is ihavearm a blind Pavlik hugger, no way.:deal

Yeah, I know - but don't let him get involved in a discussion about a German based boxer...he can't handle it...

[yesihavearm]

Pipe is right, im not a Pavlik lover. Look at my previous posts on Pavlik to know what I think of him.

But at least Pavlik has fought the best competition out there, hasnt ducked anyone. Fights anywhere in America.

Abraham will never leave Germany, never fight a top fighter and will Sven Ottke the IBF middleweight belt fighting nobodies and getting gift decisions like he got against Miranda.

Abraham was losing untill the stoppage, he was doing fuck all.

[ChrisPontius]

Anyone looks good against a fighter who does nothing at all inside a ring just standing there observing his opponent.
Did you watch Gevor vs Abraham? Unlike Elcock who doesnt have much pop in his fists,and who was nothing more than a molesting fly for a few rounds Gevor took a high risk going for Abraham with blazing guns and sharpened steel.
By the way Hamder vs Abraham was a bit similar to Elcock vs Abraham.Abraham seemed to be on drugs throughout the first few rounds with the Australian based Arab in their encounter.However,as soon as he woke up the tables turned and the game was soon over.
Now and then the Armenian is quite lethargic in the ring-especially within the first few rounds of a fight.

A slick,skilled,and fast mover with a telling punch can make him pay for his inactivity outpointing him and winning a point decision.
Someone like Jermain Taylor could have his number.Styles make fights.I for my part think that Abraham would fare much better against Pavlik than against someone like Taylor.

I agree on the styles thing. I thought Gevor did pretty good, but again, how good is Gevor? If Abraham is up against Pavlik, he'd better wake up early or he'll receive a lot of unnecessairy punishement. His power is not in question though; and Pavlik's D isn't top notch either as Taylor showed, so he might win that one.

[comebackkid]

his hands where down and his eyes where closed and his head down for a moment, i think one more punch and he would have lied with the crowd :d , and he didn't outbox him, he kept hitting arthur on the gloves, that's no points, no clear shots