Just rewatched Gatti-Mayweather

[codeman99998]

Just an observation, don't read too much into it.

After having rewatched the fight, HBO once cuts to Ricky Hatton watching the fight and once to Miguel Cotto watching the fight. I remember, when I first watched it, being that they were all in the same division, thinking "wow, Cotto and Hatton look a bit intimidated by what Floyd is doing."

Rewatching, I still agree, they did not look at all happy with what they saw in their potential opponent.

[smokey]

I remember that. Ricky's eyes were like saucers.

[Andrey]

Name a suicidal human being who wouldn't be distrubed and intimidated by how their future opponent is performing.

That fight made Floyd look like a superman. I still can't believe that some of the things he did could be done.

Throwing 5 straight right leads and landing them flush in the 6th round :scaredas: :scaredas: . Most fighter have hard time keeping their hands up in 6th round, Floyd destroyed a good fighter. That was UNREAL!!


Andrey

[Sai]

Im not really sure that Gatti Vs Mayweather is in any way important to the outcome of Mayweather V Cotto/Hatton. Gatti, whilst one of my favorite all time fighters, is not in the same class as them and whilst Cotto/Hatton are happy to take one to give one, Gatti was happy to take five for no real reason.

They are both younger and a cut above Gatti.

Cotto beats Mayweather at 47, and Hatton has a reasonable chance, dependent on the referee of the fight.

[codeman99998]

That was a masterclass performance, but I think we all realize Floyd doesn't do that to everyone. Gatti is two or three levels below any of them, not to mention that fight was 2 years ago.

Yes, I know. I mean, Cotto and Hatton are both better opponents than Gatti and Mayweather has not completely destroyed (at least, not in the SAME way, he completely destroyed Baldomir and he beat Judah very very soundly, but he didn't beat the utter shit out of them) any opponent since then. Both Cotto and Hatton have proved to themselves since then that they are first tier competitors, while, 2 years ago, they still had a bit to go. I'm sure both of their confidences in themselves are up substantially since then.

Still though, they really did look scared.

[Andrey]

That was a masterclass performance, but I think we all realize Floyd doesn't do that to everyone. Gatti is two or three levels below any of them, not to mention that fight was 2 years ago.


Floyd could have done exactly the same thing to Oscar and Baldomir. He just wasn't stupid enough to risk it since they punch harder so he took a more safer way to a win.

Floyd did even worse to Ndoue who was a brutal puncher. he exact that to Corrales who was also a brutal puncher.
Reason why he didn't open up to De La Hoya so much and Baldomir is becasue they punch harder so a mistake on Floyd's part could be deadlier and also becuase he had too much at stake in those to fights.


Andrey

[codeman99998]

In other words no he couldn't have done the same to either one of them. That's basically what you said.

Baldomir is feather-fisted as well, I don't know ehere you get off saying he hit hard. No way in hell could Floyd have ever done that to De La Hoya, you're being ridiculous. What makes you say that? De La Hoya is way more skilled and on another level than Gatti, your statement was ridiculous.

And no Floyd didn't do worse to N'Dou at all. The Gatti performance against a B level fighter was the best of Mayweather's career, and N'Dou also happened to be against a B level fighter.

That's the thing with great fighters though. They look amazing against sub-par competition and they look good against good competition. You are right, Mayweather wasn't going to do that against DLH because he's not a moron. I don't think he did it against Baldomir because A) Baldomir was clearly better and stronger than Gatti (not that he was a super strong puncher or anything) and B) NO ONE stops Carlos Baldomir. Seriously, there was no way Floyd was knocking that guy out.

But yeah, great fighters look amazing against sub-par competition and they look good against good competition. Just like Tyson...

Oh wait, only the first part applies to Tyson. My bad.

[smokey]

I love how many people are calling Gatti a B class fighter. I knew plenty of people picked Gatti to beat Mayweather, because "Mayweather can't hurt him." Before that fight Mayweather said that Gatti was a C class fighter who had deceived the boxing world, and he would beat him like a C class fighter... he kept his promise on that one.

I don't think punching power had anything to do with other fights you're comparing to. Baldy was just a tough SOB. He was not known for having particularly impressive power. De La Hoya was WAY bigger and stronger than Mayweather. I don't know many people who thought that Mayweather would choose to stand in and trade with him. The question was whether De La Hoya could turn it into a brawl... and he couldn't.

The main reason Floyd had fought so many fights in safety mode, is that he's fighting guys who are really too big for him. I think he stopped being able to hurt most fighters at 140. He didn't hurt Gatti with a single punch. It was just the total domination... he broke Gatti's will.

[codeman99998]

I love how many people are calling Gatti a B class fighter. I knew plenty of people picked Gatti to beat Mayweather, because "Mayweather can't hurt him." Before that fight Mayweather said that Gatti was a C class fighter who had deceived the boxing world, and he would beat him like a C class fighter... he kept his promise on that one.

I don't think punching power had anything to do with other fights you're comparing to. Baldy was just a tough SOB. He was not known for having particularly impressive power. De La Hoya was WAY bigger and stronger than Mayweather. I don't know many people who thought that Mayweather would choose to stand in and trade with him. The question was whether De La Hoya could turn it into a brawl... and he couldn't.

The main reason Floyd had fought so many fights in safety mode, is that he's fighting guys who are really too big for him. I think he stopped being able to hurt most fighters at 140. He didn't hurt Gatti with a single punch. It was just the total domination... he broke Gatti's will.
Well, in all fairness to Floyd, way before the Floyd fight he proved he could really take a hell of a beating. At 140 Gatti is not exactly chinny.

[Chileno606]

Floyd did even worse to Ndoue who was a brutal puncher. he exact that to Corrales who was also a brutal puncher.

Andrey

BITCH PLEASE :-( have you even watched those fights? Ndou was everything BUT a "brutal" :lol: puncher... he was a swarming preassure fighter, a volume puncher. As for Corrales? Floyd ran all night while pot shotting from the outside, Chicos lack of defense coming forward is what got him knowcked down a bunch of times.

[justaboxingfan]

BITCH PLEASE :-( have you even watched those fights? Ndou was everything BUT a "brutal" :lol: puncher... he was a swarming preassure fighter, a volume puncher. As for Corrales? Floyd ran all night while pot shotting from the outside, Chicos lack of defense coming forward is what got him knowcked down a bunch of times.

Man, give Floyd his credit. The Coralles fight was pure brilliance. Listen to BIG George commentating, even Merchant has to tell him to calm down. That fight is the 'sweet science' at its best. As for Ndou, rewatch his fights and you'll realise he had hard punches, maybe something to do with his 26inch arm length or that over 95% of his fights(wins) ended in a KO.:deal :deal

[tays001]

that fight was pure claissic thet was a a skool

[smokey]

BITCH PLEASE :-( have you even watched those fights? Ndou was everything BUT a "brutal" :lol: puncher... he was a swarming preassure fighter, a volume puncher. As for Corrales? Floyd ran all night while pot shotting from the outside, Chicos lack of defense coming forward is what got him knowcked down a bunch of times.
Right about the first part, but come on! Are you going to take the credit away from his domination of Chico by saying he "ran all night." He didn't run, we slipped Chico's punches and counter punched him all night long. Now a KO isn't meaningfull unless someone stands in front of the other and takes punches for good measure?

Chico was one of the hardest P4P punchers in the game. Only a fool who wanted to get KO'ed would willingly take his shots if he could just as easily avoid them. He absolutely dominated Corales, and it was Floyd's biggest win before De La Hoya. He was a favorite to win, but NOBODY expected him to dominate totally, much less stop him.

[Snakefist]

In other words no he couldn't have done the same to either one of them. That's basically what you said.

Baldomir is feather-fisted as well, I don't know ehere you get off saying he hit hard. No way in hell could Floyd have ever done that to De La Hoya, you're being ridiculous. What makes you say that? De La Hoya is way more skilled and on another level than Gatti, your statement was ridiculous.

And no Floyd didn't do worse to N'Dou at all. The Gatti performance against a B level fighter was the best of Mayweather's career, and N'Dou also happened to be against a B level fighter.

Baldomir is no more weaker then then Cotto in terms to punching power, punches to the head at least. Baldomir at one time had Zab out on his feet, and in the fight with Cotto zab was getting hit constantly and ate up cotto's shots pretty well, but the constant strain got on him, and I believe Zab could've lasted the whole fight since the stoppage was pre-mature, however understandable.

[doublesuited]

Baldomir is no more weaker then then Cotto in terms to punching power, punches to the head at least. Baldomir at one time had Zab out on his feet, and in the fight with Cotto zab was getting hit constantly and ate up cotto's shots pretty well, but the constant strain got on him, and I believe Zab could've lasted the whole fight since the stoppage was pre-mature, however understandable. :patsch

[smokey]

Baldomir is no more weaker then then Cotto in terms to punching power, punches to the head at least. Baldomir at one time had Zab out on his feet, and in the fight with Cotto zab was getting hit constantly and ate up cotto's shots pretty well, but the constant strain got on him, and I believe Zab could've lasted the whole fight since the stoppage was pre-mature, however understandable.

Baldy buzzed Zab once, and then he ran for the rest of the fight. Nothing even CLOSE to the amount of hurt Cotto put on him. Cotto hurt him again and again. Cotto isn't know for one punch stopping power, and neither is Baldy.

[bhwbj]

Lets not forget that Floyds offensive performance, in the Boldomir fight, went downhill when he re-injured his hand(forgot which round that was). The fact is, Mayweathers hand problems are so bad that it has changed his fighting style/gameplan.

[Shake]

Floyd is a dangerous fighter. I disagree that Floyd could have done the same to Oscar, in fact -- he had trouble landing on Oscar when Floyd got off first. Oscar showed some good defense in that fight.

He beat Baldomir as soundly as you can. So soundly, in fact, that many of us wanted to see him try to knock out a much bigger man.

The only worry for Floyd in my mind is coming down from 154. Fighters that come down usually leave a little behind. Still, I'm sure whatever he has left in the tank is enough for both Cotto and Hatton.

[maciek4]

Cotto has a Tszyu type of power, name one opponent that he fought that wasnt busted up, puffed up, deformed face or cut. Most of them looked like this guy from The goonies when Cotto was done with them.

[DonPrestige]

I think Floyd can outclass many of the top boxers just like he did Gatti and Corrales but unfortunately he chooses not to go out on a limb. As it comes closer to the end of his career it just seems like he is trying to do whatever he can to keep his recored, hence the more cautious approach. Look at the DLH fight, He could have quite easily stepped it up from the 8th round onwards because Oscar was gassed but he looked like he barely broke a sweat. The same kind of thing you see with Jermaine Taylor, rather than entertain and show their talent they hold back and just try to edge out their opponent.

[Jose FM]

That was a masterclass performance, but I think we all realize Floyd doesn't do that to everyone. Gatti is two or three levels below any of them, not to mention that fight was 2 years ago.
I agree word to word.

[smokey]

I think Floyd can outclass many of the top boxers just like he did Gatti and Corrales but unfortunately he chooses not to go out on a limb. As it comes closer to the end of his career it just seems like he is trying to do whatever he can to keep his recored, hence the more cautious approach. Look at the DLH fight, He could have quite easily stepped it up from the 8th round onwards because Oscar was gassed but he looked like he barely broke a sweat. The same kind of thing you see with Jermaine Taylor, rather than entertain and show their talent they hold back and just try to edge out their opponent.

I honestly don't think he could have stopped De La Hoya, but other than that I agree with you. A lot of fighters won't step it up to make a win, a definitive win. They'd rather get a slim safe decision than risk a loss to go for the big win. I think Mayweather requires an opponent that brings out the competator in him. I think Hatton can do that better than probably anyone right now.

[Chileno606]

Right about the first part, but come on! Are you going to take the credit away from his domination of Chico by saying he "ran all night." He didn't run, we slipped Chico's punches and counter punched him all night long. Now a KO isn't meaningfull unless someone stands in front of the other and takes punches for good measure?

Chico was one of the hardest P4P punchers in the game. Only a fool who wanted to get KO'ed would willingly take his shots if he could just as easily avoid them. He absolutely dominated Corales, and it was Floyd's biggest win before De La Hoya. He was a favorite to win, but NOBODY expected him to dominate totally, much less stop him.

What I said about the Chico fight wasnt meant to lessen Floyds win, I was just pointing out what he consistently did wrong in the fight, or what he was made to do. But Floyd did run a lot, i never said he wasnt effective. He was on hid bicycle and running Chico into his counters, whats so off about that?

[DonPrestige]

Definately. Same with Taylor, in his next fight with Pavlik we should see if he sinks or swims because that kid aint gonna let up on him at all and we'll finally see if he has the stuff or not.

[Jose FM]

Baldomir is no more weaker then then Cotto in terms to punching power, punches to the head at least. Baldomir at one time had Zab out on his feet, and in the fight with Cotto zab was getting hit constantly and ate up cotto's shots pretty well, but the constant strain got on him, and I believe Zab could've lasted the whole fight since the stoppage was pre-mature, however understandable.
Haha, yeah okay...:rofl

[smokey]

What I said about the Chico fight wasnt meant to lessen Floyds win, I was just pointing out what he consistently did wrong in the fight, or what he was made to do. But Floyd did run a lot, i never said he wasnt effective. He was on hid bicycle and running Chico into his counters, whats so off about that?

Because calling it "running away" isn't really accurate. He beat Chicos ass, dropping him multiple times on the way to a stoppage win. It's called ring generalship. He was moving away and counter punching, but calling the ass whooping delivered that night "running" isn't accurate.

Now the end of the Baldy fight and the De La Hoya fight... yeah, that you can call running. When you're absolutely brutalizing your opponent without receiving anything in return, it ain't running. It's call taking your opponent to school.

[griff]

I remember Ricky saying that he met Gatti on the day of the fight at his hotel room. He was shocked when asked by Gatti what stategy should he use to beat Mayweather, right then and there Ricky knew Gatti wouldn't win.

[brooklyn1550]

He put on a performance for the ages, but I would be surprised if he did that to Hatton or Cotto.

[MancMexican]

I remember Ricky saying that he met Gatti on the day of the fight at his hotel room. He was shocked when asked by Gatti what stategy should he use to beat Mayweather, right then and there Ricky knew Gatti wouldn't win.

Exactly. To take nothing away from Mayweather's punch perfect performance Gatti didn't have a clue what he was doing in that fight. Trying to box Mayweather when his only chance was to go berserk and asking Hatton what to do the day before show how clueless he was.

Floyd was beyond awesome in that fight, but Gatti has no defence at the best of times and fought the wrong fight. Oscar destroyed Gatti quicker than Floyd did, though of course Floyd is smaller. Everyone's accuracy goes through the roof when they fight Gatti.

[djrock247]

I agree word to word.

Jose FM,

Please don't take offense to this, it's in no way an insult. The guy in your avatar (I presume is you) looks like a Spanish Max Kellerman.

[igotJUIC3]

Truly believe Floyd will beat Hatton the same as he did Gatti...because we all know Hatton wants to bully his way in as close as possible then land a shot, hold, then land shots comming out of the hold. Floyds foot work will not let him bully him anywhere because Floyd is a master at dictating what goes on in the ring...reason why people say he runs is because when he feels he is being forced somewhere..your right he does get the hell out of there any means necessary but i just think thats smart...who wouldnt get themselves out of trouble.

Anyways the Hatton Floyd fight will be simmilar to ODH fight...Hatton very aggresive but Floyd slipping and moving and landing his shots. Another big thing is that Hatton doesnt use a jab that well he bullies in and uses hooks and uppercuts. That will get him pot shotted all night as Floyd hits him then moves..which will keep hatton off balance. This fight will not be SD though i see a UD by a land slide...Hatton simply doesnt have the foot work, boxing arsenal, nor speed to compete...his best chance is landing a big blow.

[Ambition_Def]

Truly believe Floyd will beat Hatton the same as he did Gatti...because we all know Hatton wants to bully his way in as close as possible then land a shot, hold, then land shots comming out of the hold.

All wrong here.

What Hatton does is smother any mid-long range fight plan. He uses speed to leap in, land one punch and tie up. He's like a faster version of John Ruiz. And while he ties you up he hits you with elbows and shoves you around.

The one advantage I'd give Mayweather here is size. Mayweather handles 147 easier than Hatton, and that undoubtly has to do with frames. He just has a better frame for the weight.

Speed I think is about equal, although Mayweather probably has the quicker reaction time. Despite that, Hatton's ugly style is gonna be hard on anyone.

And Gatti fights nothing like Hatton. Never has, never will.

[igotJUIC3]

All wrong here.

What Hatton does is smother any mid-long range fight plan. He uses speed to leap in, land one punch and tie up. He's like a faster version of John Ruiz. And while he ties you up he hits you with elbows and shoves you around.

The one advantage I'd give Mayweather here is size. Mayweather handles 147 easier than Hatton, and that undoubtly has to do with frames. He just has a better frame for the weight.

Speed I think is about equal, although Mayweather probably has the quicker reaction time. Despite that, Hatton's ugly style is gonna be hard on anyone.

And Gatti fights nothing like Hatton. Never has, never will.

All good points i agree but...speed...come on...equal my friend????? you cant be serious! And size being the only advantage? Man you are really discrediting PBF please tell me you'll rethink this.

[Unchained]

Just an observation, don't read too much into it.

After having rewatched the fight, HBO once cuts to Ricky Hatton watching the fight and once to Miguel Cotto watching the fight. I remember, when I first watched it, being that they were all in the same division, thinking "wow, Cotto and Hatton look a bit intimidated by what Floyd is doing."

Rewatching, I still agree, they did not look at all happy with what they saw in their potential opponent.

LOL. That was a long time ago, since then we have seen Floyd look like a dance instructor in all his fights. He took Carlos TOMATOmier to a decision, I hardly think Cotto or Hatton are shaking in thier boots. I don't think Hatton would have called him out if he was scarred. People fear fighters like Mike Tyson or Manny Pacquio, guys that go for the kill.:hi:

[Ambition_Def]

it won't be as easy as you say, as Floyd has trouble with people who apply constant pressure, like you don't seem to realize.

:yep

I said it and say it again: Boxers who enjoy having time and room to think absolutely hate pressure fighters who won't quit. If they can't stop you by hitting you, they are just about finished, either that or they have rock solid heart.

Floyd Mayweather is no exception to this rule.

[igotJUIC3]

Yeah he really dictate what went on in the Castillo fight or even the Chavez fights early and the De La Hoya fights early. :roll: Floyd is not this unbeatable God that some of you make him out to be. He has trouble with pressure fighters. I don't know what's gonna happen with Hatton(I'll pick Floyd) but it won't be as easy as you say, as Floyd has trouble with people who apply constant pressure, like you don't seem to realize.

man then why does he continue to beat these same pressure applying opponents....and lets not forget even though Castillo gave him trouble the decision was UD and then TKO the next....then you say early he had trouble or is it part of his game plan that he not expend himself as they are doing? You people as you say dont realize how Floyd has beat all the fighters who so called applied pressure in his fights.

[Pimp C]

I love how many people are calling Gatti a B class fighter. I knew plenty of people picked Gatti to beat Mayweather, because "Mayweather can't hurt him." Before that fight Mayweather said that Gatti was a C class fighter who had deceived the boxing world, and he would beat him like a C class fighter... he kept his promise on that one.

I don't think punching power had anything to do with other fights you're comparing to. Baldy was just a tough SOB. He was not known for having particularly impressive power. De La Hoya was WAY bigger and stronger than Mayweather. I don't know many people who thought that Mayweather would choose to stand in and trade with him. The question was whether De La Hoya could turn it into a brawl... and he couldn't.

The main reason Floyd had fought so many fights in safety mode, is that he's fighting guys who are really too big for him. I think he stopped being able to hurt most fighters at 140. He didn't hurt Gatti with a single punch. It was just the total domination... he broke Gatti's will.
Excellent post!

[igotJUIC3]

He beat Chavez because he was a B fighter, but the fact that he had that kind of trouble is kinda lame to begin with. He beat De La Hoya because of DLH's obvious and documented stamina problems, and his abandonment of a jab that was working so well for him early. Most feel he beat Castillo in their first fight. I did pick Floyd to win, but it won't be as easy as you think is what I was saying. A top notch pressure fighter with good stamina may beat him, we'll have to see the shape Hatton comes in. The fact that this fight's at 147 and not 140 makes me think Floyd will win for sure.

good points...but he really didnt have that much trouble with Chavez...remember he got a TKO and was well ahead in the score cards.

[brooklyn1550]

:yep

I said it and say it again: Boxers who enjoy having time and room to think absolutely hate pressure fighters who won't quit. If they can't stop you by hitting you, they are just about finished, either that or they have rock solid heart.

Floyd Mayweather is no exception to this rule.

:good That's why I don't think Floyd would have a real easy night with Cotto, Hatton, or Margarito as many people think. He could win all 3 fights, but they would all make him work 12 rounds for it.

[igotJUIC3]

:good That's why I don't think Floyd would have a real easy night with Cotto, Hatton, or Margarito as many people think. He could win all 3 fights, but they would all make him work 12 rounds for it.

this is very true

[Thread Stealer]

He beat Chavez because he was a B fighter, but the fact that he had that kind of trouble is kinda lame to begin with.


He didn't really have much trouble with Jesus Chavez. Chavez was making him work harder than usual, but for the most part Floyd slipped or blocked most of Chavez's shots and countered him silly. He won most of the rounds IMO.

The commenators were drunk that night.

One of the many fights that people say are closer than it really was.