Roy Jones on MMA and Boxing

[Burundanga]

I pinched this from a post on a popular MMA site. Intelligent take on the whole debate.....

Don't know if its been posted, but here it is for interest's sake. Please note that I love both sports and do not partake in the whole debate (you know which one I'm talking about), so if people want to turn this into one of those threads go nuts, but I will not partake in it.

"I watch it all the time. They have the best fighters fighting the best fighters and that's what boxing needs. You never can tell what will happen in a fight. Look at the last [Chuck] Liddell fight. Bam, 10 seconds it was over. They got that explosion they were waiting for. Boxing didn't get the same explosion out of Mayweather-De La Hoya," Jones said.

"UFC is a great thing, but boxing has to get on it's a game. UFC is the best fighting the best and that what boxing has to do. If you are an ultimate fighter, you are going to fight someone who is going to fight. In UFC, if you lose to a good fighter, you lost, you still know you are good fighter, and you come back the next day and fight again. In boxing, if you lose and that's it. You are done.I lose a few fights they want to tell me I'm washed up and I don't have it no more."

Jones was realistic when asked about his chances in a UFC ring. He knows that he is vulnerable on the ground and possesses a clear advantage if the fight stays on top.

"Now, I can't get on the ground and start wresting because I know nothing about that. But if I hit him before he gets to the ground, he's not going to get up and have the chance to wrestle," Jones said.

[Krippy]

Hmm. Jones actually speaking a bit a sense?

I'm surprised.

[achillesthegreat]

Wow. So much sense from Roy.

I love how everyone in boxing recognises its flaws, blame it on everyone but themself and yet don't realise they are a major factor in these flaws.

Guys like Roy, DiBella, Mayweather, Arum, ****** and anyone else who has commented on it.

[Dostoevsky]

Boxing needs less weight divisions, no belts except for one per weight class, all fighters are forced to fight one another.

[Nuke]

Boxing needs less weight divisions, no belts except for one per weight class, all fighters are forced to fight one another.



Exactly :good

[jimmie]

I remember seeing RJJ in the crowd at UFC 53 in Alantic City.

[ufoalf]

Cool, one thing i disagree with is that if he hits someone before it gets to the ground its over. Its not gona happen :).

[USMCGixxer6]

Cool, one thing i disagree with is that if he hits someone before it gets to the ground its over. Its not gona happen :).

yeah because a MMA fight is never ended when ssomeone shoots for a takedown and gets knocked out, that never ever ever would happen. Take the pro MMA anti Boxing goggles off.It could happen, I say there is a 10% chance of it happening, with someone like Roys handspeed.

[USMCGixxer6]

Boxing needs less weight divisions, no belts except for one per weight class, all fighters are forced to fight one another.


while I do agree, well not the weight class things. There is a big difference in 3-4lbs when someone is 135lbs and under, it really is a big deal.

The 1 belt per weightclass would be Pimp, no doubt, but MMA doesnt have that. Just in Zuffa you have Pride, UFC, and the WEC

[ufoalf]

while I do agree, well not the weight class things. There is a big difference in 3-4lbs when someone is 135lbs and under, it really is a big deal.

The 1 belt per weightclass would be Pimp, no doubt, but MMA doesnt have that. Just in Zuffa you have Pride, UFC, and the WEC

Thats different. UFC, Pride, WEC is not the same as WBC, WBO, IBF shit. With MMA they are separate enteties up until recently with Pride and UFC. But Pride is pretty much dead so its still separate.

[USMCGixxer6]

how is the UFC and Pride thing any different? It may be changing, but I dont know, now that Page-Hendo isnt for the belts.

Fedor is called the world HW champ and so is Couture.

[ufoalf]

yeah because a MMA fight is never ended when ssomeone shoots for a takedown and gets knocked out, that never ever ever would happen. Take the pro MMA anti Boxing goggles off.It could happen, I say there is a 10% chance of it happening, with someone like Roys handspeed.

You gota get those boxing goggles off.. First of all, anything can happen. I'd give a chance of 3% tops of RJJ knocking a good wrestler out coming in with a shot. Thats 1 ko out of 33 take down attempts. He's fast, but he's not a knock out artist. Not to mention RJJ is made for take downs even though he's awesome to watch in a ring. Its not easy to knock someone out with one shot, which blind boxing fans tend to believe. They might catch them and stand than back up with a good uppercut, but they will NOT have time to make it a solid one for a KO.

Now, the point im making, if you gona come in to fight betting on 1 punch KO. You might as well not come at all.

[ufoalf]

how is the UFC and Pride thing any different? It may be changing, but I dont know, now that Page-Hendo isnt for the belts.

Fedor is called the world HW champ and so is Couture.

Because one org doesn't allow you to fight in other orgs.

[Doppleganger]

You gota get those boxing goggles off.. First of all, anything can happen. I'd give a chance of 3% tops of RJJ knocking a good wrestler out coming in with a shot. Thats 1 ko out of 33 take down attempts. He's fast, but he's not a knock out artist.
Actually RJJ is a knock-out artist. He had chilling power at 160 and say he was fighting at the WW limit in the UFC he'd knock guys out if he was to catch them perfectly. So I'd give it a little higher than 3% myself.

[USMCGixxer6]

then how is Hendo fighting Page?

Mayhem has fought in different orgs at the smae time, Trigg as well. Fedor is the Pride HW champ and just fought in Bodog. uhhuhh yeah. Once again MMA purists being uneducated.

[USMCGixxer6]

Actually RJJ is a knock-out artist. He had chilling power at 160 and say he was fighting at the WW limit in the UFC he'd knock guys out if he was to catch them perfectly. So I'd give it a little higher than 3% myself.

once again, that guy is very ignorant

im sure he probably thinks that the best hands in MMA could probably outbox a boxer in a boxing match as well.
For the record though, what would Rampages %chance in a boxing match against a top cruiserweight or even LHW?

[ufoalf]

lol. USMCG i gave you a benefit of the doubt 2nd time. My mistake. Anyways, Did i ever say MMA will outbox a boxer? No. Its sad you even have to suggest that because there's absolutely nothing in what i've EVER said that would suggest such a thing.
I'm ignorant? Listen, i understand you're not the sharpest tool in the shed but again you can't compare UFC pride and WBO, WBC etc. You obviously have no clue what you're talking about because you keep bringing up Hendy vs Ramp. Both Hendy and Ramp are now UFC fighters, they BOTH have UFC contract. The belt Hendy owns right now is pretty much obsolete. He IS Pride champion but UFC owns Pride. I HIGHLY doubt Hendy is gona be fighting in a ring against another Pride contender. Such cross org championship fighting is happening ONLY now.

Dopple, RJJ was only powerful 160, he did have KO's later in the career but less. You have to understand that TKO's don't count when we're talking about 1 punch lights out. He was very agile and fast but he did not have KO power. Tyson had KO power lol, i'll give you that. Tyson would probably get 1 out of 10 take down attempts a KO. You have to understand that 1 out of 10 is a HUGE number for what we're talking about. There are many coefficients that lessen that number.

[ufoalf]

ROFL, i came across this randomly right after i posted above. Here's what USMC thinks is gona happen when a boxer steps in the cage. Boxer on the right, MMAist on on the left...









































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jk jk, chill out.
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[oblate]

wow props to roy. very objective and intellegent stuff he was saying.

[USMCGixxer6]

so Hendo has two Pride belts will be a UFC figther but yet he gets to keep both his Pride belts? hrmm seems kind of odd, maybe its because he is Zuffa fighter, not a UFC fighter. What about Fedor fighting in bodog with his Pride HW title, yet my point. Ignoramous

[USMCGixxer6]

I guess Zuffa owns Bodog then? Stupid fuck. UFC doesnt own shit, its the ferritas and Zuffa, keep talking out of your ass. Your stupid fucking ass probably thinks Dana White is the owner of the UFC

[ufoalf]

Keep your insults to yourself, especially with little knowledge you have.
Zuffa owns both UFC and Pride. Its pretty sad that i have to point out that when i say UFC owns pride, i mean that Zuffa owns them. Dana White is a president of UFC and a large co-owner of Zuffa. My point was that Pride and UFC are same entity, sorry i couldn't have been more clear for you.

With Fedor contract it DIRECTLY SAID that he is ALLOWED to fight in other organizations with few conditions. He will probably also have similar agreement on his UFC contract. If you need to learn anything else, just ask, no need to turn this into sherdog.

[USMCGixxer6]

Fedor wont be able to do shit but maybe Sambo competitions if he signs with the UFC, so my point is, Fedor isnt the world HW champ, hes just the Pride champ. As with Couture in the UFC. Just like boxing has different champs in differerent sanctioning bodies. This isnt MMA vs Boxing, im just saying that MMA has some of the same probs as boxing does, just on a smaller scale. Stupid ASS mainstream UFC fans dont realize this because they dont know anything outside of the UFC for MMA

With the new news that Hendo will keep the Pride belts regardless, if gives me hope that might try and save PRide

[ufoalf]

I hope they will try to resurrect pride but i highly doubt it. There will be pride shows but all the good fighters will want to fight in UFC or where they'll get a good contract. So, sadly, imo it will never be as it was few years ago.
The same problems will arise in some distant future. Once MMA gets worldwide recognition and Don King kind will want a piece of the pie. w/e We'll see.

[USMCGixxer6]

yeah I agre with you, but im still hoping for the old Pride, just ran a little better, but I doubt it as well

[Cobra33]

Fu#ck off Roy.I remember a couple of years that you wouldn't fight ANYONE.Roy talks the talk but didn't back it p when he was boxing!

[Beebs]

Your stupid fucking ass probably thinks Dana White is the owner of the UFC

Actually, he owns some amount of it, less than a third, but he was still one of the original investors, it isn't just owned by Ferrittas.

[USMCGixxer6]

Actually, he owns some amount of it, less than a third, but he was still one of the original investors, it isn't just owned by Ferrittas.

he has a 10% share, I know that. I meant it as in that Dana is the sole or the majority owner

[Beebs]

he has a 10% share, I know that. I meant it as in that Dana is the sole or the majority owner

Just pointing it out, but I was actually curious what the share was.

[USMCGixxer6]

Just pointing it out, but I was actually curious what the share was.

I should say ive heard its 10%, so it might indeed be different. 10% makes sense though, but who really knows.

I cant wait to see Shogun in the octagon

[achillesthegreat]

Roy is a bona fide puncher. Put him in 4oz gloves and his speed and power go throught he roof. He has already shown he knows he can't go to the floor. He'd need to learn some new tricks, just like a MMA needs to learn new tricks to succeed in boxing.

[sprite]

why is rjj being so humble?

it would be rjj if he totally dissed on MMA. thats what we all secretly would want...