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Fitir
07-03-2007, 05:12 AM
It's a fight for the EBU title in Germany. I know Bayram who is solid at EBU level. He has 2 defeats against Colas and Dzinziruk but he beat Colas in a rematch and Dzinziruk's level is not the EBU level of course. Bayram had a "pro" camp, he sparred with Canclaux and he claims he is ready and in good shape. I don't know much about his opponent who just obtained a good victory on his record against Rubio.
Tom_Tocca
07-03-2007, 10:48 AM
Believe me, Baysangurov will KO Bayram in the latter rounds...
It's a fight for the EBU title in Germany. I know Bayram who is solid at EBU level. He has 2 defeats against Colas and Dzinziruk but he beat Colas in a rematch and Dzinziruk's level is not the EBU level of course. Bayram had a "pro" camp, he sparred with Canclaux and he claims he is ready and in good shape. I don't know much about his opponent who just obtained a good victory on his record against Rubio.
Bayram is a very decent and capable fighter,but he will face one of the greatest talent of all weight classes in the ring.
He cant see him go the full route with Baysangurov.
Dont get me wrong,fitr! I dont intend to say that Bayram doesnt have a chance,but he is facing of the greatest box talents out there.
Baysangurov is an outstanding talent.
unitas
07-03-2007, 12:22 PM
bayram is a former olympian......he can fight. but baysangurov just seems to have too much talent.
baysangurov tko 9 bayram.
Fitir
07-03-2007, 06:37 PM
If Baysangurov stopped Bayram in 9 rounds he would do better than Dzinziruk. He would be ready for the very best of his weight class imo. It would be impressive cause from what I read Bayram should be in better shape than he was against Dzinziruk (more experience, better sparring etc.).
If Baysangurov stopped Bayram in 9 rounds he would do better than Dzinziruk. He would be ready for the very best of his weight class imo. It would be impressive cause from what I read Bayram should be in better shape than he was against Dzinziruk (more experience, better sparring etc.).
Lets hope that he makes the water hot for the young Chechen who still needs some tough fights to take over the baton of the present top guns!
Butch Coolidge
07-04-2007, 01:32 PM
I can't form an opinion on Baysangurov because I have only seen short clips of his fight vs Marco Rubio. Is he a slow starter? He didn't look outstanding or bad either from what I saw. The ones who watch him fight seem to have a high opinion of him.
Alcaldemb
07-04-2007, 03:04 PM
Baysangurov should stop Bayram around round 10. The man is a true talent, he has skill, athletic ability and a chin. I fully expect him to outbox and punish Bayram en route to a KO.
Tom_Tocca
07-04-2007, 04:07 PM
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Go Zaurbek!
Fitir
07-04-2007, 04:22 PM
Here is a translation of an interview on Netboxe :
"I should have fought Piccirillo on april, then on may. I have trained for 5 months. Hence it is the first time I have no weight problems, I am under the limit"
"It will make me or break me ! I think I am still young enough and I want to boost my career. I have been serious to control everything."
"I watched his record, he only fought nobodies excepted his last opponent Marco Antonio Rubio. I watched a few fights from him, we have similar styles and physiques. I know I can do it. I often boxed to stay active and I came underprepared. Even against Dzinziruk I had no time to prepare seriously. This time I am ready."
Bayram won't come to lose that's for sure but it seems he does not know much about his opponent. He will be very surprised if you are right.
Alcaldemb
07-04-2007, 05:07 PM
Go Zaur!!!!!
shawn1262231
07-06-2007, 07:33 PM
It's a fight for the EBU title in Germany. I know Bayram who is solid at EBU level. He has 2 defeats against Colas and Dzinziruk but he beat Colas in a rematch and Dzinziruk's level is not the EBU level of course. Bayram had a "pro" camp, he sparred with Canclaux and he claims he is ready and in good shape. I don't know much about his opponent who just obtained a good victory on his record against Rubio.
Being an American I never seen either guy. But I've heard Baysangurov is a name to remember. His last opponent Marco Antonio Rubio lost a split decision to Kassim Ouma who was once a champion in this division and Baysangurov won a lopsided decision against Rubio.
punchmaster
07-07-2007, 07:56 PM
okay, so who saw the scrap, for some reason I thought it was going to be on the HBO televised event in USA- no go. Hope you all didn't bet under or by KO. Sounded like a good , close scrap. Details please? I want to see this kid fight .
Toney
07-07-2007, 10:43 PM
A decent fight, very competitive one. But neither man impressed. It looked like a B-level fíght to me. Baysangurov is nothing special, but a very dirty fighter. The ref took 2 points away from him. But he won the fight becouse his dirty tactics messed up his opponents boxing. Bayram is a arm-puncher, who walks in the ring with his heels in the canvas.
Just about the only good thing that I saw in Baysangurov was that he really does have hurt. He don´t want to lose. But I feel that a world class prospect should had outclassed Bayram. Baysangurov did not. :-(
Fitir
07-07-2007, 11:23 PM
"Punish Bayram in route to a KO" "greatest talent of all weight classes " "True talent" . True cheater who knows how to use dirty tactics to compensate his lack of technical skills would have been a better definition. Bayram was the better boxer and he had come to box. This Baysangurov has to work hard to be ready to step up against world class opponents. He has the W on his record. Very good for him...
I only watched from the 8th round to the end but from what I saw Baysangurov should have won the fight easily and clearly. Sure, it was no dominant performance but he was the aggeressor and threw the sharper and better punches, the Arab dude's punches looked like they had nothing on them. Judging from the 2nd half of the fight, the outcome should have been much more decisive so the close scoring is a bit of a surprise to me but I can't comment on the first half.
Tom_Tocca
07-08-2007, 04:00 AM
Hey Fitir, I think you still haven't got your hands on Baysangurov's last fights before Bayram.
Zaurbek was really rusty coming of 10! month layoff due to promotional difficulties (visa problems i.e.). This was a Baysangurov at about 50% and he felt uncomfortable with the situation fighting at an attendance of approx. 14.000 people.
His performance really disappointed me (I had him winning 115-113 /w point deduction) because it was the first fight of him that I attended live...
Fitir
07-08-2007, 06:07 AM
Zaurbek was really rusty coming of 10! month layoff due to promotional difficulties (visa problems i.e.). This was a Baysangurov at about 50% and he felt uncomfortable with the situation fighting at an attendance of approx. 14.000 people.
Poor excuses that shouldn't have been given if Baysangurov was a true champion. He didn't "beat" Bayram for the EBU title. The decision is not a scandal of course but I had it a draw and for such a close fight it would have been fair.
You have to be ready for a title fight and a 10 months layoff is not unusual in modern boxing, it's normal. About the pressure he was not in the main event and he had his amateur background. Watch fights with the young Juan Diaz. Truth is that Baysangurov was unable to dominate Bayram in terms of technical skills.
Toney
07-08-2007, 07:24 AM
Poor excuses that shouldn't have been given if Baysangurov was a true champion. He didn't "beat" Bayram for the EBU title. The decision is not a scandal of course but I had it a draw and for such a close fight it would have been fair.
You have to be ready for a title fight and a 10 months layoff is not unusual in modern boxing, it's normal. About the pressure he was not in the main event and he had his amateur background. Watch fights with the young Juan Diaz. Truth is that Baysangurov was unable to dominate Bayram in terms of technical skills. I have to agree. Even if Baysangurov did not have a good day, he sure did not show ANY sensational skills. It looked to be a B-class fight. Just two B-class boxers. Someone like Lukas Konechy would had easilly beaten Baysangurov last night, although Konechy aint even close of being a world class fighter. I would pick even someone like Brice Faradji over Baysangurov. :-(
Don´t hype this guy before he shows any skills!
Fitir
07-08-2007, 08:02 AM
It's a bit extreme. I don't know what you mean by B-level but Bayram and Baysangurov have the EBU level and they deserved the shot imo. Can they step up ? For Bayram things won't change and he won't improve. For Baysangurov things can change but he will have to prove it in the ring cause he failed to impress for his first test in a title fight...
Toney
07-08-2007, 08:27 AM
It's a bit extreme. I don't know what you mean by B-level but Bayram and Baysangurov have the EBU level and they deserved the shot imo. Can they step up ? For Bayram things won't change and he won't improve. For Baysangurov things can change but he will have to prove it in the ring cause he failed to impress for his first test in a title fight...
:goodBaysangurov might have Some talent, that is true. But he is no super talent as someone here talks.
Fitir
07-08-2007, 06:04 PM
The 3 judges gave rounds 8=>12 to Baysangurov... I wonder what Odo etc. will have to say about the decision obtained by the future Sauerland megastar. Cheater, dirty fighter, protected. You were true : this guy has the tools to become a world titleholder. Boxing is a sad sport.
Jens S
07-09-2007, 04:47 AM
I had it 115-113 Baysangurov. After 8 rounds he trailed by one point, but he won rounds 9-11 on my card and I had it 10-10 in round 12. I spoke with two from the press row in Köln Arena. They both had it 115-112 for Baysangurov. Baysangurov is only 22, and I think this match is not enough to judge him on. He showed determination against a tough opponent. It is a young age to win an EBU-title though.
Andy Lee was impressive in his fight.
Balog was dissapointing and unsharp. Haven't seen him before. I heard he was a good amateur, but he showed very little saturday night.
Haxhi Krasniqi got a controversial win. We were two who had him losing by one point and one had it a draw. But the judges saw it 59-55, 59-56 and 57-56. Krasniqi had clearly gotten the scores and ran. Butler being a thinking man figured that out and started chasing Krasniqi and opened himself to counter and lost the round. Even if Butler had won the last round and scored a knockdown, he wouldn't have won. The two judges that only had Butler winning one round was a disgrace.
Jens
PS. I was at the press meeting. I had been thinking about where Vitali was. He wasn't at ringside as far as I could see. When we left, we almost physically bumbed into him. When 3-4 people saw him and wanted to take photos and get photos, Vitali started to jog and ran inside. What he didn't know was that right inside the door was a crowd of 50-75 ukrainians hoping to get a glimpse of Wladimir :D
The 3 judges gave rounds 8=>12 to Baysangurov... I wonder what Odo etc. will have to say about the decision obtained by the future Sauerland megastar. Cheater, dirty fighter, protected. You were true : this guy has the tools to become a world titleholder. Boxing is a sad sport.
Well,I still hope and think that he can make it to the top of his weight division.
He had a very close fight with Bayram-a much tougher fight than I had expected before.
Anyway! He is still a very young talent,and you should watch some of his other fights,fitr.
Kassim Ouma had a death and life struggle with Rubio whereas Zaurbek easily dominated him winning a wide point decision.
Megastar? I dont think so! Why? Because he is hardly marketable outside Chechnya and some Arab countries.
He is a Chechen-not easy to sell a guy from that murderous region to the public in other countries,isnt it!
And yes,he has the skills to be a world champ IMO.
Besides he beat Bayram,didnt he! And lets not forget that Bayram is no pushover at all.
valdosta
07-11-2007, 06:34 PM
Kassim Ouma had a death and life struggle with Rubio whereas Zaurbek easily dominated him winning a wide point decision.
Sorry but absolutely not. Ouma struggled for 2 rounds then won about 8 rounds in the fight. Nowhere near life and death.
Sorry but absolutely not. Ouma struggled for 2 rounds then won about 8 rounds in the fight. Nowhere near life and death.
Ouman could call himself happy to be able to win that fight that night,couldnt he!
Rubio boiled the African in hot water whereas Baysangurov kept throwing buckets of cold water into Rubio's face!
The young Chechen knew how to keep a burning fire under control.
valdosta
07-17-2007, 12:45 AM
Ouman could call himself happy to be able to win that fight that night,couldnt he!
Rubio boiled the African in hot water whereas Baysangurov kept throwing buckets of cold water into Rubio's face!
The young Chechen knew how to keep a burning fire under control.
Lucky to win the fight? Did you even see the fight or just look at the scores? Ouma won VERY decisively and almost got screwed.
albaneze
07-17-2007, 05:28 AM
Baysangurov Deserved the win though he did some mistakes which i think has time to repair in due time, still young.
Lucky to win the fight? Did you even see the fight or just look at the scores? Ouma won VERY decisively and almost got screwed.
Ouma wouldnt have won that fight in Mexico! You sure we are talking about the same fight,mate!
Ouma struggled with Rubio-no way that he won that fight decisively.
Yes,he did win that fight,but you make it sound as if Ouma were dominating throughout almost all rounds!
He wasnt.Rubio won more than two rounds against him IMO.
valdosta
07-18-2007, 08:16 PM
LOL@ Rubio would have won the fight in Mexico. Ouma won the fight easily and a LOT of people were pissed off about the 1 bad scorecard. Rightfully so to, Rubio didn't win more than 3 or 4 rounds. He lost VERY decisively and NOBODY thought he won. Then again the 2 judges who watched the fight with there eyes open thought Ouma won 9 and 10 rounds as well. The guy with his eyes closed had Rubio winning. Ouma beat that ass after being dropped.
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