View Full Version : Now whats the strategy to beating floyd?
Gunns4hire
12-09-2007, 02:39 PM
Since my dude Money May has officially whooped Hattons ass! Whats the strategy to beat him?
I thought everyone had figured it out? Pressure! Pressure! Pressure!
He beat who many considered to be the best insider fighter in the sport with none other than......INSIDE FIGHTING!
Now since the only welter worth fighting is Cotto? What will be his strategy?
He cant outbox floyd!
He cant out inside fight floyd!
He cant out speed floyd!
What can he do to save himself and others from the immanent embarrassment and ass whoopin that happens when Fighting the Great Floyd "Money" Mayweather?:bbb
younghov2k4
12-09-2007, 02:42 PM
make him fight someone who is too big for him or wait until he's way out of his prime.
magik10
12-09-2007, 02:42 PM
Unless Floyd slows down due to age or loses his work ethic, no current fighter that can make 147 has a chance.
igotJUIC3
12-09-2007, 02:42 PM
Since my dude Money May has officially whooped Hattons ass! Whats the strategy to beat him?
I thought everyone had figured it out? Pressure! Pressure! Pressure!
He beat who many considered to be the best insider fighter in the sport with none other than......INSIDE FIGHTING!
Now since the only welter worth fighting is Cotto? What will be his strategy?
He cant outbox floyd!
He cant out inside fight floyd!
He cant out speed floyd!
What can he do to save himself and others from the immanent embarrassment and ass whoopin that happens when Fighting the Great Floyd "Money" Mayweather?:bbb
he will have to pressure Floyd because he has long arms and a solid jab thats what Floyd doesnt like a solid long jab it throws his timing off a little. BUT Cott's stamina is suspect and he would get punished with acurate shots and Floyf would TKO him late.
Imperial1
12-09-2007, 02:43 PM
:rofl The Sam Soliman stragedy !! Throw punches from every angle possible !
Ziggy Montana
12-09-2007, 02:43 PM
He will retire undefeated.
You have to negotiate the terms of the fight to your favor.
Small ring.
12 ounce gloves.
Padded ring posts.
thunder06
12-09-2007, 02:44 PM
:rofl The Sam Soliman stragedy !! Throw punches from every angle possible !
:think
kg0208
12-09-2007, 02:44 PM
The guy who will give him trouble is Williams.
brooklyn1550
12-09-2007, 02:44 PM
You need to be very physically strong, have a good chin, good defense, and you need to work your way in effectively with your hands up behind a solid jab. When on the inside, you can't smother your attack. To beat him, you need to throw combinations on the inside to the body and then shift the attack upstairs.
Another style that could beat him is a tall, lanky fighter with a southpaw stance, very good hand speed, and a blistering workrate.
I think fighters who fit that criteria now are Cotto and Williams. They could beat Floyd, but Floyd could beat them as well. In the past, Duran, Leonard, Hearns, Pryor, Whitaker, Robinson, and Armstrong could have beaten him.
Gunns4hire
12-09-2007, 02:44 PM
he will have to pressure Floyd because he has long arms and a solid jab thats what Floyd doesnt like a solid long jab it throws his timing off a little. BUT Cott's stamina is suspect and he would get punished with acurate shots and Floyf would TKO him late.
I agree the one thing that might be able to do something to floyd is a solid jab that can reach him!
kg0208
12-09-2007, 02:45 PM
You need to be very physically strong, have a good chin, good defense, and you need to work your way in effectively with your hands up behind a solid jab. When on the inside, you can't smother your attack. To beat him, you need to throw combinations on the inside to the body and then shift the attack upstairs.
Another style that could beat him is a tall, lanky fighter with a southpaw stance, very good hand speed, and a blistering workrate.
Williams
Imperial1
12-09-2007, 02:45 PM
:think
I was being sarcastic
Boom_Boom
12-09-2007, 02:45 PM
Speed so fast that it will be impossible for Floyd to adjust
Which is why ive said the only one who can beat Mayweather at 140 is Meldrick taylor
Relentless
12-09-2007, 02:46 PM
Well what Cotto brings that Hatton didn't have is POWER and size.
Unfortunately he DOESN'T bring what HATTON had: SPEED.
cotto has underrated handspeed, and dont forget cotto also knows how to box when he needs to, and before you get started no i dont think cotto will beat floyd, i think cotto just deserves his shot and he is the only one in welterweight who has shot.
PATSYS
12-09-2007, 02:46 PM
Since my dude Money May has officially whooped Hattons ass! Whats the strategy to beat him?
I thought everyone had figured it out? Pressure! Pressure! Pressure!
He beat who many considered to be the best insider fighter in the sport with none other than......INSIDE FIGHTING!
Now since the only welter worth fighting is Cotto? What will be his strategy?
He cant outbox floyd!
He cant out inside fight floyd!
He cant out speed floyd!
What can he do to save himself and others from the immanent embarrassment and ass whoopin that happens when Fighting the Great Floyd "Money" Mayweather?:bbb
I am one of those who think pressure would beat PBF, apparently I was wrong.
However it would be interesting to see how PBF handles Williams. Guy is 6'2", with 84" reach. Williams throws thousands of punches. It might just be enough to outland PBF and get a UD.
kg0208
12-09-2007, 02:47 PM
cotto has underrated handspeed, and dont forget cotto also knows how to box when he needs to, and before you get started no i dont think cotto will beat floyd, i think cotto just deserves his shot and he is the only one in welterweight who has shot.
Cotto deserves his shot if PBF fights again. But Williams is the style problem who has the best shot IMO.
Imperial1
12-09-2007, 02:47 PM
A good jab for starters !
kg0208
12-09-2007, 02:47 PM
ask the bulgarian that beat him at the olympics?
My understanding is that the win there was a bit controversial.
Imperial1
12-09-2007, 02:51 PM
This is one of the main reasons I want to see Cott/Mayweather skil vs skill ..Its a must that this gets made cotto as the patience to make it a very good fight against Floyd .
igotJUIC3
12-09-2007, 02:51 PM
I am one of those who think pressure would beat PBF, apparently I was wrong.
However it would be interesting to see how PBF handles Williams. Guy is 6'2", with 84" reach. Williams throws thousands of punches. It might just be enough to outland PBF and get a UD.
im sorry Williams doesnt have to power to hurt Floyd and Floyd would SMOTHER his ass to negate that reach and hammer him with accurate body blows as we have seen Floyd is very good at fighting inside and with long arms Williams is at a great disadvantage....as Smart as Floyd and his whole team are in training and executing...i dont see Williams beating Floyd.....Floyd would use Williams length and height against him.
pipe wrenched
12-09-2007, 02:51 PM
My understanding is that the win there was a bit controversial.
Not to mention using ametuer olympic points sytem.
Mundo
12-09-2007, 02:53 PM
besides waiting for him to be out of his prime....
i think you just have to outbox him. but that just wont happen. only person i think can have a good chance of beating him is Paul Williams....
long reach....fast jab. high volume of punches....but shit mayweather seems to adapt to anything thrown at him.
kg0208
12-09-2007, 02:53 PM
im sorry Williams doesnt have to power to hurt Floyd and Floyd would SMOTHER his ass to negate that reach and hammer him with accurate body blows as we have seen Floyd is very good at fighting inside and with long arms Williams is at a great disadvantage....as Smart as Floyd and his whole team are in training and executing...i dont see Williams beating Floyd.....Floyd would use Williams length and height against him.
Perhaps. But Williams fights tall, doesn't stop throwing and fights decent inside. He may smother Williams, but that hasn't worked so far. Williams has good handspeed as well.
igotJUIC3
12-09-2007, 02:54 PM
This is one of the main reasons I want to see Cott/Mayweather skil vs skill ..Its a must that this gets made cotto as the patience to make it a very good fight against Floyd .
if he tries and stand on the outside and box Floyd it will be a long night for him...he does not posess the foot speed for Floyd and the fact he is technical would allow Floyd to Dictate this fight with pot shots in the begining Cotto would mis exhaust himself early and then in the later rounds Floyd will pour it on.....i mean look at Floyds last two fights.....the second half he OWNS!!! I dont see Cotto's stamina being anywhere near Floyds or Hattons.
Daruf
12-09-2007, 02:54 PM
I still think the best style is Kostya .. he is too old now but his style is the only one that has a real chance i think. He never had a problem timing speedy slick boxers.
You need to be very physically strong, have a good chin, good defense, and you need to work your way in effectively with your hands up behind a solid jab. When on the inside, you can't smother your attack. To beat him, you need to throw combinations on the inside to the body and then shift the attack upstairs.
Another style that could beat him is a tall, lanky fighter with a southpaw stance, very good hand speed, and a blistering workrate.
I think fighters who fit that criteria now are Cotto and Williams. They could beat Floyd, but Floyd could beat them as well. In the past, Duran, Leonard, Hearns, Pryor, Whitaker, Robinson, and Armstrong could have beaten him. Yes. I don't think Williams has much of a chance against Floyd because he's so easy to counter and control. He also doesn't have power. Cotto is the perfect guy to beat Floyd for all the reasons you said, plus he is extremely strong mentally and won't break down or get frustrated, he will stick to the plan 100%. The plan is constant technical pressure with solid defense and a great jab behind it. Floyd must make this match happen. It will be the first 50/50 superfight in a long time and a win for either guy is unbelievably big legacy-wise.
The actual PERFECT perfect strategy/style to beat Floyd though is being a fighter like Tommy Hearns. :D But we will probably not see a fighter that good technically, amazingly tall for a welter, with insane 1 punch power for a while.
unsentdemon
12-09-2007, 03:01 PM
I think Cotto has a great chance due to the fact that he is a natural southpaw with power and most importantly well disciplined. A right jab wouldn't be as easy to block with a shoulder roll because it comes in a lot quicker than a right cross does.
auggiewest
12-09-2007, 03:03 PM
hatton's style was spot on to beat him but he seemed to be too amped up on the inside and didnt attack floyds body enough. something castillo did in the first fight to allow him to wear floyd down. cotto has the only chance of the current crop.
Bummy Davis
12-09-2007, 03:03 PM
Cotto has a small chance but a chance because of his pressure and power, but Floyd should be able to handle him
Conan
12-09-2007, 03:14 PM
I think what people didn't think was gonna happen was that Floyd, for his size can carry the weight at 147. I didn't see him looking blazing fast, but was sneaky. He can hit a little harder now that he is a little more solid at 147. Believe it or not, I think thats bad for him cause it makes him a little more conventional. Hatton went in there with good conditioning, but I don't think he had clear idea of what he wanted to do. If someone like Cotto figts him, the game plan will be to not only outbox him, but to bang him up with hard shots in pockets. An in and out pattern taht will disrupt his rhythm. And after the fight with Mosley, Who I think is superior to Mayweather in handspeed and combinations, Cotto is going to give him problems because he has a tight defense, good technique, severely underrated handspeed, and a debilitating body attack. Hatton did not hurt Mayweather in the fight. He kept cramming his own offense and not once did I see him effectively go to the body due to that. I do not see Cotto doing that. He is do disciplined and focused.
LockDog387
12-09-2007, 03:42 PM
A good tough rugged welterweight that hardly has any technical flaws, and I think Williams and Cotto fit the bill. In the Baldomir fight, Mayweather showed that he doesn't want to engage with fighters that are really tough, Baldomir wasn't the hardest puncher, but he had Mayweather running for deal for a reason. Luckily Baldomir was slow and had bad footowork. If he fought Cotto, I think he has a better chance of cutting out the ring and landing those hooks to the body, Williams is just simply too big, and will eventually get his licks on Mayweather.
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