Hatton is better than Calzaghe !!!!!

[Axl_Nose]

Hatton got destroyed against Mayweather in the same way as Naz got destroyed against Barrera , it was a hard thing to watch but these 2 guys couldnt compete against true champions .. But Joe Calzaghe is exactly the same, can anybody make an argument that Joe COULD beat a 90s Jones jr, its ridiculous, it would have been like last night but probably more 1 sided, Lacey and Kessler are 2 capable boxers, nothing more, nothing less , and nothing like Roy ..... they aint no Mayweather but tonight Joe walks away with the BBC'S sports personality of the year ahead of Ricky ..... At least Ricky and Naz went to Vegas or New York to fight and no matter what anybody says, to make a mark in boxing a fighter has to fight in vegas or the garden .... I like Joe but he needs to step out from the comfort zone, and who the hell is gonna tell me that Joe is better than Jones Jr which is Joes equivalent to Rickys Floyd ................. the real question is who is the best fighter of the last 20 years, Floyd or Pernell ???????? now that is a tough one

[Dunky McCafferty]

At the end of the day Kessler IMO is an awesome fighter, & Calzaghe beat him.
Calzaghe beat the best in Kessler, & to say beating a guy like Kessler is fighting in the "comfort zone" is quite ludicrous.

[stake501]

Hatton got destroyed against Mayweather in the same way as Naz got destroyed against Barrera , it was a hard thing to watch but these 2 guys couldnt compete against true champions .. But Joe Calzaghe is exactly the same, can anybody make an argument that Joe COULD beat a 90s Jones jr, its ridiculous, it would have been like last night but probably more 1 sided, Lacey and Kessler are 2 capable boxers, nothing more, nothing less , and nothing like Roy ..... they aint no Mayweather but tonight Joe walks away with the BBC'S sports personality of the year ahead of Ricky ..... At least Ricky and Naz went to Vegas or New York to fight and no matter what anybody says, to make a mark in boxing a fighter has to fight in vegas or the garden .... I like Joe but he needs to step out from the comfort zone, and who the hell is gonna tell me that Joe is better than Jones Jr which is Joes equivalent to Rickys Floyd ................. the real question is who is the best fighter of the last 20 years, Floyd or Pernell ???????? now that is a tough one

Have you seen Joe fight? :patsch and you think hes a technically inferior boxer to Hatton. :hi:

[stake501]

Kessler imo is better p4p than Hatton

[Claypole]

American fighters are the best! I just love it when the crowds start chanting
"U S A, U S A"

[PrideOfWales]

Hatton got destroyed against Mayweather in the same way as Naz got destroyed against Barrera , it was a hard thing to watch but these 2 guys couldnt compete against true champions .. But Joe Calzaghe is exactly the same, can anybody make an argument that Joe COULD beat a 90s Jones jr, its ridiculous, it would have been like last night but probably more 1 sided, Lacey and Kessler are 2 capable boxers, nothing more, nothing less , and nothing like Roy ..... they aint no Mayweather but tonight Joe walks away with the BBC'S sports personality of the year ahead of Ricky ..... At least Ricky and Naz went to Vegas or New York to fight and no matter what anybody says, to make a mark in boxing a fighter has to fight in vegas or the garden .... I like Joe but he needs to step out from the comfort zone, and who the hell is gonna tell me that Joe is better than Jones Jr which is Joes equivalent to Rickys Floyd ................. the real question is who is the best fighter of the last 20 years, Floyd or Pernell ???????? now that is a tough one

I didn't read this, the subject says it all.. good luck! :good

[Betty Swollocks]

better at holding and at drinking bevvy, but not better at boxing...that is very clear.

[Max Molyneux]

Man, some Hatton fans still don't feel humbled.

Roy wasn't a super middle by the time Calzaghe was ready and he wouldn't of been outclassed either.

[mike464]

There's no shame in losing against the P4P number 1, especially when moving up a weight to fight him. We wouldn't think any less of Calzaghe if he'd moved up to fight Roy Jones and got knocked out so we shouldn't think any less of Hatton.

[hitman_hatton1]

There's no shame in losing against the P4P number 1, especially when moving up a weight to fight him. We wouldn't think any less of Calzaghe if he'd moved up to fight Roy Jones and got knocked out so we shouldn't think any less of Hatton.

hatton has been at top level for 2 and a half years and he's already fought the best.

calzaghe was wasting his time with guys like david starie 2 and a half yrs into his reign.

as good as kessler is, he's no floyd mayweather. :nono

[mike464]

hatton has been at top level for 2 and a half years and he's already fought the best.

calzaghe was wasting his time with guys like david starie 2 and a half yrs into his reign.

as good as kessler is, he's no floyd mayweather. :nonoI'd say Calzaghe's only fought at the top level for a couple of years.

[Healy]

Hatton is ya....definatly, good shout! Calzaghe is nothing, pure shit!

hug...punch ..kiss...headbutt.. .punch. ..hold...hug.. .punch. ..punch. ..hug...kiss...hug...hit head off turnbuckle...hug...fight over

[pecks]

All these guys are traffic jamming the paths which are a few streets behind Mundine's p4p ranking. :cool:

[JonOli]

Hatton has beaten superior fighters to Joe. He also has also put himself up against the best p4p in the world. Even if he did lose, for that he deserves credit. Putting himself in such a position is something Joe has never even looked like doing throughout his long drawn out career.

I'm not saying Ricky is a better fighter. But based on opponents and guts at taking on opposition. I have to give Hatton the nod here as being deserved of more recognition and praise then Calzaghe.


Costa Tzu was a far better champion then anything Joe has ever faced. Before anyone starts. Lacy with time is now looking increasingly normal and nothing special at all. Eubank at his best (he was shot when he met Joe) was a lesser fighter then Tzu. Kessler's the best Joe has faced as he met him in his prime. Very Good fighter but nowhere near in the league of TZU. Not even remotely!


Ricky Hatton has also been a two weight division champion. Joe has never done this or tested himself outside his own weight division.


IMO Ricky at this moment in time deserves more recognition because of where hes has been. I'm not saying hes a better fighter, thats subjective. Just give Ricky the respect and credit he deserves for sticking his neck on the line against exceptional opponents. Even if he did lose against the best fighter in the world.

Joe really should have fought the likes of RJJ and Hopkins(when he was in his prime). Ricky has fought the weight equivalent of these and therefore deserves greater respect. Ricky even moved up a division to get a shot. Did Joe do this? No, I wonder why?

[sugarngold]

Hatton has beaten superior fighters to Joe. He also has also put himself up against the best p4p in the world. Even if he did lose, for that he deserves credit. Putting himself in such a position is something Joe has never even looked like doing throughout his long drawn out career.

I'm not saying Ricky is a better fighter. But based on opponents and guts at taking on opposition. I have to give Hatton the nod here as being deserved of more recognition and praise then Calzaghe.


Costa Tzu was a far better champion then anything Joe has ever faced. Before anyone starts. Lacy with time is now looking increasingly normal and nothing special at all. Eubank at his best (he was shot when he met Joe) was a lesser fighter then Tzu. Kessler's the best Joe has faced as he met him in his prime. Very Good fighter but nowhere near in the league of TZU. Not even remotely!


Ricky Hatton has also been a two weight division champion. Joe has never done this or tested himself outside his own weight division.


IMO Ricky at this moment in time deserves more recognition because of where hes has been. I'm not saying hes a better fighter, thats subjective. Just give Ricky the respect and credit he deserves for sticking his neck on the line against exceptional opponents. Even if he did lose against the best fighter in the world.

Joe really should have fought the likes of RJJ and Hopkins(when he was in his prime). Ricky has fought the weight equivalent of these and therefore deserves greater respect. Ricky even moved up a division to get a shot. Did Joe do this? No, I wonder why?

:deal I pretty much agree with most of this - but I don't think it's fair to slag off Chris Eubanks. He was past his prime - but in his prime he was an indestructible fighter. His wars with Nigel Benn and Michael Watson were nothing less than phenomenal. His victories over those two amazing fighters marks Eubanks as a one time great fighter.

Joe Calzaghe does need to fight Hopkins and Jones before he retires though.

[pecks]

Joe Calzaghe does need to fight Hopkins and Jones before he retires though.Hopkins maybe, but Jones, no way. he's had it and calzaghe will gain little credit for taking this fight.

[steelem]

calzaghe deserved to take that award last night lets face it 10 yrs & no defeats - thats some achievement- Hattons dad made the fight with mayweather but that was obviously a big mistake - when i look back at the Frank ****** interview last week - he was certainly right about what would happen on saturday - lets face it we all dis ****** but his certainly done right for calzaghe on this one - i bet the fall out with hatton ****** was ricky wanted to move up the weight & ****** said no way!!!

[Axe]

Kessler imo is better p4p than Hatton

Absolutely no chance.

[Axe]

All these guys are traffic jamming the paths which are a few streets behind Mundine's p4p ranking. :cool:

:yep

I concur. :good

[True Writer]

Calzaghe is seriously overated by the general public. He is over protected the best he has fought was an over the hill Chris Eubank. Lacy was all hype a useless fighter, Kessler is also ordinary. Joe needs to get some balls and fight the best away from home - like Hatton. Hatton is a far better fighter in every way.

The problem is Joe will probably beat up an ancient Hopkins and everyone will think he is the greatest of all time - cleverly managaged by ******.

[steelem]

I Think This Pretty Much Says That ****** Is A Great Manager

[mike464]

Calzaghe is seriously overated by the general public. He is over protected the best he has fought was an over the hill Chris Eubank. Lacy was all hype a useless fighter, Kessler is also ordinary. Joe needs to get some balls and fight the best away from home - like Hatton. Hatton is a far better fighter in every way.

The problem is Joe will probably beat up an ancient Hopkins and everyone will think he is the greatest of all time - cleverly managaged by ******.This is exactly how I see it.

[brown bomber]

Calzaghe is an awesome fighter but the original poster makes a good point, Calzaghe needs Hopkins to cement his legacy IMO..... Kessler and Lacy- very good fighters but never will they be thought of as ATG like Mayweather and Barrera.

[Max Molyneux]

Calzaghe is seriously overated by the general public. He is over protected the best he has fought was an over the hill Chris Eubank. Lacy was all hype a useless fighter, Kessler is also ordinary. Joe needs to get some balls and fight the best away from home - like Hatton. Hatton is a far better fighter in every way.

The problem is Joe will probably beat up an ancient Hopkins and everyone will think he is the greatest of all time - cleverly managaged by ******.
:roflYet you bitches wanted him to fight Kessler and Lacy and he outclassed both while Hatton gets pwned by Mayweather.

Hatton cherrypicked even worse with guys like Urango, Maussa, Castillo and Callazo since Tszyu.

Better fighter In every way, thats crap and you know It. Calzaghe's way more skilled and Hatton has no more skills.

[JonOli]

The bare facts are Hatton who is five years junior to Joe has got in the ring with the cream of not only his own weight division but the one above. It was blatantly obvious he was going to fight De la Hoya next as well, should he have beaten Mayweather.

Calzaghe has spent 15 years as a pro and not once has he faced a real creme fighter. It is near impossible to believe that in this extensive 15 year boxing career he couldn't have fought just one. There must be a reason.

Give the five years younger Ricky the credit he deserves. A man who faces the best and loses should be given far greater ethos then the man who never does but remains unbeaten.

[Danny]

At the end of the day Kessler IMO is an awesome fighter, & Calzaghe beat him.
Calzaghe beat the best in Kessler, & to say beating a guy like Kessler is fighting in the "comfort zone" is quite ludicrous.

I agree, but Kessler was, is & never will be as good as Mayweather. Before he retires, Joe needs to go to the USA & fight the best.

As it stands, Hatton lost to the best P4P figther the world over. Calzaghe reckons he's the best P4P, but that is laughable when you have a guy as good as Floyd.

Hatton has established himself in the USA, fought there a few times. That's what Calzaghe should have done by now!

Ricky may have lost, but there's no ahame in losing to THE best. You have to respect & admire Ricky for his insistance of facing the best & fighting in the USA.

[LiamE]

I'm affraid to say Hatton looked like a one trick pony on saturday night. He's very good at what he does and clearly the best light welter in the world but when the going got tough he couldn't find something else.

On the other hand Calzaghe looks to have everything except perhaps single punch knockout power. And lets cut the crap about Joe's record. There are a lot of good names on it. Eubank, Woodhall, Kessler, Lacy, Brewer, Mitchell and Reid have all been world champs. No one has 20 plus defenses of any title without some filler as no weight division produces 20 big names, but the fact is most people that have had a shot a Joe's title earned the right for their shot. I can only really think of Manfredo that should't have been in there.

[kurt2006]

Hatton has beaten superior fighters to Joe./QUOTE]

Bollacks has he.

[quote]Costa Tzu was a far better champion then anything Joe has ever faced. Before anyone starts. Lacy with time is now looking increasingly normal and nothing special at all.

Kostya was also nearing the end of his career so stop pretending he was the main man.

Ricky Hatton has also been a two weight division champion. Joe has never done this or tested himself outside his own weight division.

Means jack shit. Johnny Nelson was once the WBF HW Champ.


Joe really should have fought the likes of RJJ and Hopkins(when he was in his prime). Ricky has fought the weight equivalent of these and therefore deserves greater respect. Ricky even moved up a division to get a shot. Did Joe do this? No, I wonder why?

Did hopkins leave his comfort zone ? No stuck at middle fighting pussies and over the hill fighters like eastman.
RJJ had moved up a weight before Calzaghe hit the big time.

b/s has Hatton fought the equivalents of RJJ and Hopkins. Besides his step up this weekend and fighting a end of line Kostya he has done sweet fa.

Its funny how you consider Hopkins a great - have you ever seen him fight ? The guy is a complete bore and spends half the fight running around the ring. If this fits your idea of a boxing great I can see why you love Hatton and co.

[kurt2006]

Calzaghe is seriously overated by the general public. He is over protected the best he has fought was an over the hill Chris Eubank. Lacy was all hype a useless fighter,

Strange how people like you thought Lacy was the dogs bollacks before JC schooled him.

Many would concur that Hatton is ordinary. Did you ever watch any of his WBU fights ? He was not exactly setting the world on fire.

[kurt2006]

Ricky may have lost, but there's no ahame in losing to THE best. You have to respect & admire Ricky for his insistance of facing the best & fighting in the USA.

There is no shame in losing if you are able to stick it with the best. The fight was all one sided which showed how poor Hatton is in reality.

[stake501]

this is it...it wasnt close...he got schooled by mayweather

calzaghe is the equivalent of mayweather
hatton is the equivalent of lacy

dont say calzaghe needs to fight a mayweather type. others have to fight him


the thing is...are ppl blind. Just watch him fight and watch hatton fight...what do you think are the main differences.

[kurt2006]

this is it...it wasnt close...he got schooled by mayweather

calzaghe is the equivalent of mayweather
hatton is the equivalent of lacy

dont say calzaghe needs to fight a mayweather type. others have to fight him


the thing is...are ppl blind. Just watch him fight and watch hatton fight...what do you think are the main differences.

Schooled very badly considering he was preparing for this fight for a few months.

Someone mentioned Hamed earlier in this thread but they forgot to add that at least lazy Hamed (could not be bothered to train) went 12 with MAB. No shame in that especially if your idea of training is living the high life and pounding a punch bag once in a while for the cameras.

[goldenboy]

calzaghe is a very skilled fighter, he has alot more in the skill department than hatton!!

[Danny]

this is it...it wasnt close...he got schooled by mayweather

calzaghe is the equivalent of mayweather
hatton is the equivalent of lacy

dont say calzaghe needs to fight a mayweather type. others have to fight him


the thing is...are ppl blind. Just watch him fight and watch hatton fight...what do you think are the main differences.


Calzaghe the equivalent of Mayweather. :rofl

Joe is a great fighter, but Mayweather is better. At this stage of his career, & that he's nearly 36, Calzaghe will never be as good as Floyd, never!

[Max Molyneux]

Calzaghe can do a few things better than Mayweather like trade and has more workrate.

[True Writer]

Calzaghe is Frank ******s cash cow until Amir Khan develops so ****** looks after him. Its funny how as soon as Ricky left ****** he fought in the States against the best. I'm afraid Joe loves the undefeated record too much to fight any one thats half decent. He might fight an over the hill Hopkins but he kept well clear of any of the best guys when they where in their primes. I'll give Joe some credit he does look decent against shit fighters.

[stake501]

Calzaghe is Frank ******s cash cow until Amir Khan develops so ****** looks after him. Its funny how as soon as Ricky left ****** he fought in the States against the best. I'm afraid Joe loves the undefeated record too much to fight any one thats half decent. He might fight an over the hill Hopkins but he kept well clear of any of the best guys when they where in their primes. I'll give Joe some credit he does look decent against shit fighters.


Once Ricky left ****** he fought mayweather and got beat badly

Other than that has he fought the best?....has he fuck

he has fought Maussa, Collazo, Urango, and Castillo

out of those he looked elite class in one of those fights but we know why, his opponent was shot (a shadow of his former self)

I am sure he is a nicer bloke, and to some may have fought tougher opponents, but he is in no way better skilled, i.e. a better boxer than Calzaghe. Just watch them at their art. Its nuthugging in the extreme to suggest otherwise.

[Johnboy2007]

Im a fan of both fighters , but being english and from the north west i really like ricky hatton, however youd have to be blind or stupid to say ricky hatton is better than calzaghe. Could go into the finer points but cant be arsed.

[Johnboy2007]

Calzaghe is Frank ******s cash cow until Amir Khan develops so ****** looks after him. Its funny how as soon as Ricky left ****** he fought in the States against the best. I'm afraid Joe loves the undefeated record too much to fight any one thats half decent. He might fight an over the hill Hopkins but he kept well clear of any of the best guys when they where in their primes. I'll give Joe some credit he does look decent against shit fighters.


Yeh thats why he just fought and beat another champion who's considered by those who know what there talking about to be one of the biggest challenges out there for calzaghe , not to mention the fact hes something like 10 years older than kessler. And he doesnt have much of a choice but to fight hopkins if he wants to cement his legacy , strange as that fight wont be much of a challenge but will gain him more respect because hes american. If kessler was american we wouldnt be debating this.

[stuistylee]

:deal I pretty much agree with most of this - but I don't think it's fair to slag off Chris Eubanks. He was past his prime - but in his prime he was an indestructible fighter. His wars with Nigel Benn and Michael Watson were nothing less than phenomenal. His victories over those two amazing fighters marks Eubanks as a one time great fighter.

Joe Calzaghe does need to fight Hopkins and Jones before he retires though.i dont think fighting those 2 will do much except for looking good on his fight record in 20yrs time...

[JonOli]

Your mixing up Eubank with Tzu. Eubank is only 40 now, in 2007, he had just turned 31 when Joe fought him, he wasn't anywhere near shot, and fought great fights with Carl Thompson in 1998.
Tszyu was 35, semi-retired, not even comparable to the fighter he was at even 31, when he demolished Zab Judah in 2 rounds.

Eubank lost 5 of his last 9 fights. One of those was to Calzaghe. As great a British boxer as Eubank was(even in his prime) he never met the best Americans and ducked them. It some what Stains his legacy. He remained unproven at the real top.

Tszyu was a different class of champion all together! Truly world class and managed to reach the absolute peak of the game. On another level altogether, a true word beater and total dominator of his division for years.


To compare them is unfair. Eubanks legacy doesn't even come close to Tszyus.


Eubank was never the same fighter after Watson. Joe met him many years later.

Eubank took the fight with Joe on short notice and was an ageing fighter(age affects fighters in different ways, look at RJJ, look at Joe!). Calzaghe was fighting a fighter who lost five of his last nine, one of which was to Joe(at least two of the 5 wins out the 9 were to total bums).

Despite this he gave Calzaghe the hardest fight of his life and took a fit young Calzaghe to points.

An ageing, mentally affected(Watson) fighter. Unproven at the very top and who lost 5 of his last nine and who came into to the fight on short notice due to a fighter pulling out. Gave a young prime Calzaghe the hardest fight of his life according to Calzaghe himself.

I think that says allot. This fight was ten years ago now and is pulled up as one of the only two great victories against "top notch" opposition by Joe.



Eubank is one of my favourite fighters ever by the way.

[Polymath]

This thread shows how truly delusional and uninformed the Hatton nuthuggers are, even now. The worst fans ever.

[THN]

Calzaghe is lightyears ahead of Hatton

[True Writer]

Calzaghe - is a slapper, that has made his living avoiding decent fighters while fighting at home. Technically Hatton is much better. Calzaghe made his name by beating Lacy who has proved to be one of the most overated & over hyped fighters of the past 10 years.

[Polymath]

Calzaghe - is a slapper, that has made his living avoiding decent fighters while fighting at home.Technically Hatton is much better.Calzaghe made his name by beating Lacy who has proved to be one of the most overated & over hyped fighters of the past 10 years.

I've got to question whether you've ever seen either of them fight.

[True Writer]

Many times. Hatton is far better.

[Polymath]

You're an idiot.

[True Writer]

There is nobody on Calzaghes record that was a top fighter, with the exception of Eubank who was over the hill. Lacy has proved to be useless. Kessler my have been undefeated but his record was full of bums - look at it - and prove me wrong if you can.

You my son are the idiot for falling for the Calzaghe/Frank Warran hype!

[Polymath]

No argument is needed - anybody who believes Ricky Hatton is even a technically good fighter, much less better than a true p4p talent like Calzaghe, is simply an idiot.

[True Writer]

Okay so you avoided my question......

Its easy to look great fighting bums - Calzaghe is living proof.

[True Writer]

Who had Kessler fought to prove he was any good?

[True Writer]

Thats just plain wrong, the only way you can judge a fighter is by his opposition. Anybody with clever management can pad a record out. The only guy I have heard of on Kesslers record is a chap called Michael Corleone!

Kesslers record is full of complete bums. Have a look at it and try and say otherwise.

[steelem]

True Witter - your talking out your arse !!! there is no more of a debate on this Calzaghe is the best fighter in GB probaly ever....... it may have been a different matter if hatton would have won but he got his assed kicked & I think he would now get his ass kicked against Cotto, Cintron. Moseley & wouldnt like to think if he faced de la hoya - the truth is ricky is a g8 light welter but he has not gained any respect after saturdays disapointing show!! p.s i am a hatton fan

[stake501]

True Witter - your talking out your arse !!! there is no more of a debate on this Calzaghe is the best fighter in GB probaly ever....... it may have been a different matter if hatton would have won but he got his assed kicked & I think he would now get his ass kicked against Cotto, Cintron. Moseley & wouldnt like to think if he faced de la hoya - the truth is ricky is a g8 light welter but he has not gained any respect after saturdays disapointing show!! p.s i am a hatton fan


^^^
Amen ...and let that be the end of this nonsense

[SleazeNation]

For me, Ricky gets all respect for doing every he can to get the best fights and biggest challenges.
Joe takes no risks, and wants everyone to go to him.

Hatton moved out of his own divison to fight the #1 fighter in the sport in his home town.

Calzaghe, with 5 years more time than Hatton at world class, has done none of those things. He's never fought a light heavyweight, even when 168 was dead and Roy was #1 p4p and only one weight up... Calzaghe didn't go and get him like Hatton did to get Floyd. Leave ******, go to America, fight a world champion in Floyd's division,

Calzaghe didn't even go after Ottke like that, all he did was fight people Ottke had already beaten for 5 years.

If Hatton had done the same as Calzaghe, never gone to America, and never fought outside his division. He wouldn't have lost, he'd be sitting on 5 defences of the IBF title and waiting 10 more years for a decent opponent to come and fight him. Well he didn't.

Calzaghe has beaten Lacy and Kessler, two guys whose best opponents were Sheika and Mundine et al...

I can't call Calzaghe better than Hatton until he shows it. And right now, he isn't even close to showing it.

[steelem]

For me, Ricky gets all respect for doing every he can to get the best fights and biggest challenges.
Joe takes no risks, and wants everyone to go to him.

Hatton moved out of his own divison to fight the #1 fighter in the sport in his home town.

Calzaghe, with 5 years more time than Hatton at world class, has done none of those things. He's never fought a light heavyweight, even when 168 was dead and Roy was #1 p4p and only one weight up... Calzaghe didn't go and get him like Hatton did to get Floyd. Leave ******, go to America, fight a world champion in Floyd's division,

Calzaghe didn't even go after Ottke like that, all he did was fight people Ottke had already beaten for 5 years.

If Hatton had done the same as Calzaghe, never gone to America, and never fought outside his division. He wouldn't have lost, he'd be sitting on 5 defences of the IBF title and waiting 10 more years for a decent opponent to come and fight him. Well he didn't.

Calzaghe has beaten Lacy and Kessler, two guys whose best opponents were Sheika and Mundine et al...

I can't call Calzaghe better than Hatton until he shows it. And right now, he isn't even close to showing it.

you cany commend a loser - not in this game

[SleazeNation]

So if Calzaghe is better than Hatton, due to not losing. Gavin Rees is better than Mosley. Derry Matthews is better than Pacquiao... and so and so forth...
And that's nonsence.

[steelem]

So if Calzaghe is better than Hatton, due to not losing. Gavin Rees is better than Mosley. Derry Matthews is better than Pacquiao... and so and so forth...
And that's nonsence.

hang on nerd for brains keep to the subject hattoin or calzaqghe - hatton has just had his first loss & to me he didnt beat collazo - calzaghe on the other hand has always looked so good theres really no comparison on this subject - as for rees & matthews then thats so stupid of you to bring in the same topic - the pair will only fill york hall let alone the men or cardiff!!

[kurt2006]

Thats just plain wrong, the only way you can judge a fighter is by his opposition. Anybody with clever management can pad a record out. The only guy I have heard of on Kesslers record is a chap called Michael Corleone!

Kesslers record is full of complete bums. Have a look at it and try and say otherwise.

If you have not heard of Mundine, Beyer, Andrade and co you must have limited knowledge.

Hattons record is full of bums. Bruno fought Tyson twice so I guess by your standards he is better than JC.

[JonOli]

For me, Ricky gets all respect for doing every he can to get the best fights and biggest challenges.
Joe takes no risks, and wants everyone to go to him.

Hatton moved out of his own divison to fight the #1 fighter in the sport in his home town.

Calzaghe, with 5 years more time than Hatton at world class, has done none of those things. He's never fought a light heavyweight, even when 168 was dead and Roy was #1 p4p and only one weight up... Calzaghe didn't go and get him like Hatton did to get Floyd. Leave ******, go to America, fight a world champion in Floyd's division,

Calzaghe didn't even go after Ottke like that, all he did was fight people Ottke had already beaten for 5 years.

If Hatton had done the same as Calzaghe, never gone to America, and never fought outside his division. He wouldn't have lost, he'd be sitting on 5 defences of the IBF title and waiting 10 more years for a decent opponent to come and fight him. Well he didn't.

Calzaghe has beaten Lacy and Kessler, two guys whose best opponents were Sheika and Mundine et al...

I can't call Calzaghe better than Hatton until he shows it. And right now, he isn't even close to showing it.

Well said. Personally I think Joe is the better fighter but you cant credit him as such due to his total lack of ambition and quality of opponents.

[kurt2006]

Since when has just stepping up made you a better fighter ?

Hatton moved up and looked shit in both fights yet some of you think this makes him better. You guys are living in a fools paradise.

[steelem]

Since when has just stepping up made you a better fighter ?

Hatton moved up and looked shit in both fights yet some of you think this makes him better. You guys are living in a fools paradise.

well said

[toffeejack]

Hatton better than Calzaghe?

Absolutely no chance. I've read all the arguments and the fact is that Calzaghe is the superior boxer technically there is no doubt about that.

If Hatton had won on Saturday night then I would have put him above Joe in terms of legacy but no fucking way is Hatton the better fighter. Even if he had won Calzaghe will always be the superior boxer.

Hatton deserves all the credit in the world for stepping up and fighting the best but that doesn't make him any better. Braver, maybe but better no way!

If Calzaghe was English he would have been knighted by now and you all know it.

[True Writer]

Calzaghe has made his name fighting bums at home.

Hatton has done things very few british fighters have done; made it big in the US, he has also risked it all to fight the best p4p fighter in the world at a weight above his own - no other british fighters have ever done that.

[Johnboy2007]

Hatton better than Calzaghe?

Absolutely no chance. I've read all the arguments and the fact is that Calzaghe is the superior boxer technically there is no doubt about that.

If Hatton had won on Saturday night then I would have put him above Joe in terms of legacy but no fucking way is Hatton the better fighter. Even if he had won Calzaghe will always be the superior boxer.

Hatton deserves all the credit in the world for stepping up and fighting the best but that doesn't make him any better. Braver, maybe but better no way!

If Calzaghe was English he would have been knighted by now and you all know it.

Im english and i think hes well overdue a knighthood. I dont agree with them being given out like candy to celebs and sportspeople but hes worked harder and for longer than most of the sorry arses that are now "sirs" , common sense doesnt happen in britain unfortunatly. Also sounds like a weak argument but its reallly the only way to put it joe calzaghe is simply better than hatton no two ways about it. Carry on arguing about it by all means but its pointless when the topic is as wrong as this one lol

[Max Molyneux]

Judging off resume doesn't do.

If we were talking about Jedi then Calzaghe would be prime Yoda and Hatton would be some young jedi In training.

[True Writer]

If you have not heard of Mundine, Beyer, Andrade and co you must have limited knowledge.

Hattons record is full of bums. Bruno fought Tyson twice so I guess by your standards he is better than JC.

Those guys you list could walk past the most avid boxing fan in the street and no one would know them. Are you seriously trying to tell me they are any good?? They are fucking useless.

I would say that Bruno did fight a far better level of fighter than Calzaghe and he fought in the US. Witherspoon, Smith, Tyson, McCall & Lennox Lewis - 2 all time greats on his CV. Calzaghe has no all time greats. You clearly don't know your boxing son. I respect Bruno far more than Calzaghe because he had the balls to fight the best, Calzaghe has done his best to avoid the best.

I think he could go down as p4p the greatest opponent avoider of all time at this rate.

[Polymath]

Calzaghe has made his name fighting bums at home.

Hatton has done things very few british fighters have done; made it big in the US, he has also risked it all to fight the best p4p fighter in the world at a weight above his own - no other british fighters have ever done that.

It doesn't matter if that's true or not, you said Hatton is technically a better fighter than Calzaghe, only a true ignoramus and boxing n00b/retarded Hatton nuthugger would even think that.

[The taff]

You could argue this one all day, but IMO Joe Calzaghe is the better boxer technically than Hatton, regardless who they have fought. Ricky Hatton is a fighter more than a technical boxer.

They have both acheived their place as the best in british boxing of this era. Whether Calzague has fought the best or not, its still a great acheivement to go 10 years as a champion.

How many times have the best been beaten by underdogs?? So in theory, there's no reason why Calzaghe couldn't have been beaten by these so called bums that he's fought. Upsets happen, but it hasn't happened to him, and he has fought some good opposition as well as some not so good, but he's still won them all.

Hopkins has fought some not so good fighters as well, and apart from Cal not fighting Toney, RRJ and Hopkins in the last 10 years - there isn't anyone else he hasn't fought that he should have to cement his legacy.

[True Writer]

He is technically better than Calzaghe. People don't give him credit for it. His hand speed is good, he has good power and can throw every punch in the book, including a great body shots. His foot work is amazing if you have ever seen him fight live this is something that really stands out. The only thing he is lacking is good head movement.

[toffeejack]

Calzaghe - is a slapper, that has made his living avoiding decent fighters while fighting at home. Technically Hatton is much better. Calzaghe made his name by beating Lacy who has proved to be one of the most overated & over hyped fighters of the past 10 years.

Come on mate :lol:

Your only reasonable argument is that Hatton has travelled to the USA and stepped up to fight the best but technically better? Are you being serious?

[Max Molyneux]

How can anyone who was eating shots on the chin all night not defending barely anything that Mayweather was throwing be technically better than Calzaghe?

And people used to call me blinkered despite there views on Hatton.

[True Writer]

Its easy to avoid getting hit by the likes of Lacy and other bums. Its a different ball game against the greats like Mayweather who has to be one of the quickest and most accurate punchers of all time.

[SleazeNation]

hang on nerd for brains keep to the subject hattoin or calzaqghe - hatton has just had his first loss & to me he didnt beat collazo - calzaghe on the other hand has always looked so good theres really no comparison on this subject - as for rees & matthews then thats so stupid of you to bring in the same topic - the pair will only fill york hall let alone the men or cardiff!!
What the hell are you talking about?

To you Hatton didn't beat Collazo? Collazo was a welterweight world champion who Hatton went to America to fight... Something Calzaghe has never done because he's never taken a risk in his life.

Two fights in Hattons career are incomparible to any fight in Calzaghe's. Collazo and Mayweather. Because they were not fights in his own division. AND they were outside his own country against world champions...

And the only reason I mentioned Rees and Matthews is because of your comment about "you cany commend a loser"
Just because Hatton lost a fight that Calzaghe wouldn't even dare to fight in his dreams, I just compared a couple of unbeaten fighters to fighters that have lost. It's very simple.

Calzaghe has done nothing to prove he's better than Hatton.

[kungfu]

hi all, first post here, been lurking for a while just watching, finally registered...

Anyway its blatantly obvious to any un-biased true boxing fan that calzaghe is absolutely more skilled than hatton, sure you may like hatton more and emotions are running extremely high (to dedicated fans, i was gutted) after his devastating loss and you may feel the need to big him up n that.......however calzaghe is simply light years ahead in terms of boxing skill and its beyond me how anyone can see otherwise, also quite irrelevant as well innit?

As big a fan i am of hatton, i also quite clearly see his flaws and that is to clever slick boxers like collazo (lost that fight imo) and mayweather he is extremely easy to hit!!! Top tip for hatton...do not fight witter next, id put huge money on a ko by witter probably earlier than mayweather managed it also and probably a career ending fight. And as i said.....im a huge hatton fan btw,......but honest.

[China_hand_Joe]

calzaghe was wasting his time with guys like david starie 2 and a half yrs into his reign.



Tszyu is the only fighter Hatton beat better than David "I practically shut-out Clinton Woods" Starie.

[Max Molyneux]

Its easy to avoid getting hit by the likes of Lacy and other bums. Its a different ball game against the greats like Mayweather who has to be one of the quickest and most accurate punchers of all time.

Hatton looked like Lacy against Mayweather but with less of a beatdown. They both just walked forward and got there ass pimped.

[SleazeNation]

hi all, first post here, been lurking for a while just watching, finally registered...

Anyway its blatantly obvious to any un-biased true boxing fan that calzaghe is absolutely more skilled than hatton, sure you may like hatton more and emotions are running extremely high (to dedicated fans, i was gutted) after his devastating loss and you may feel the need to big him up n that.......however calzaghe is simply light years ahead in terms of boxing skill and its beyond me how anyone can see otherwise, also quite irrelevant as well innit?

As big a fan i am of hatton, i also quite clearly see his flaws and that is to clever slick boxers like collazo (lost that fight imo) and mayweather he is extremely easy to hit!!! Top tip for hatton...do not fight witter next, id put huge money on a ko by witter probably earlier than mayweather managed it also and probably a career ending fight. And as i said.....im a huge hatton fan btw,......but honest.
This topic is about who is better, Hatton or Calzaghe.
And it seems like half the people commenting on this think that because Calzaghe is a more talented boxer that it is obviously him. But it isn't about the more skilled boxer, it's about who is better at what they do in the sport. Boxer or fighter. Hatton is a come forward, all aggression fighter whose best win came in making the p4p #2/#3 fighter in world quit on his stool - he did this in his own country, and in his own weight division. Calzaghe is a skilled boxer whose best wins were against 2 opponents who hadn't beat enough top fighters to be ranked in anyone's p4p list - he did this in his own country, and in his own weight division.
So based on achievements in their own divisions, Hatton beat the better opposition.

Nearly every post claiming Calzaghe is BETTER than Hatton contain the names Mayweather and Collazo in the reasoning why, but when comparing Joe and Ricky there is no comparison to Mayweather and Collazo - because Joe stopped where Ricky continued to challenge himself; outside his own division, and outside his own country.

Calzaghe is better technically, Hatton is a better fighter. Hatton has achieved more by beating Tsyzu, and then he moved out of the comfort zone to test himself, and until Calzaghe proves he can succeed where Hatton failed; Hatton is still better.

[mike464]

This topic is about who is better, Hatton or Calzaghe.
And it seems like half the people commenting on this think that because Calzaghe is a more talented boxer that it is obviously him. But it isn't about the more skilled boxer, it's about who is better at what they do in the sport. Boxer or fighter. Hatton is a come forward, all aggression fighter whose best win came in making the p4p #2/#3 fighter in world quit on his stool - he did this in his own country, and in his own weight division. Calzaghe is a skilled boxer whose best wins were against 2 opponents who hadn't beat enough top fighters to be ranked in anyone's p4p list - he did this in his own country, and in his own weight division.
So based on achievements in their own divisions, Hatton beat the better opposition.

Nearly every post claiming Calzaghe is BETTER than Hatton contain the names Mayweather and Collazo in the reasoning why, but when comparing Joe and Ricky there is no comparison to Mayweather and Collazo - because Joe stopped where Ricky continued to challenge himself; outside his own division, and outside his own country.

Calzaghe is better technically, Hatton is a better fighter. Hatton has achieved more by beating Tsyzu, and then he moved out of the comfort zone to test himself, and until Calzaghe proves he can succeed where Hatton failed; Hatton is still better.Well said

[safe_pa]

This topic is about who is better, Hatton or Calzaghe.
And it seems like half the people commenting on this think that because Calzaghe is a more talented boxer that it is obviously him. But it isn't about the more skilled boxer, it's about who is better at what they do in the sport. Boxer or fighter. Hatton is a come forward, all aggression fighter whose best win came in making the p4p #2/#3 fighter in world quit on his stool - he did this in his own country, and in his own weight division. Calzaghe is a skilled boxer whose best wins were against 2 opponents who hadn't beat enough top fighters to be ranked in anyone's p4p list - he did this in his own country, and in his own weight division.
So based on achievements in their own divisions, Hatton beat the better opposition.

Nearly every post claiming Calzaghe is BETTER than Hatton contain the names Mayweather and Collazo in the reasoning why, but when comparing Joe and Ricky there is no comparison to Mayweather and Collazo - because Joe stopped where Ricky continued to challenge himself; outside his own division, and outside his own country.

Calzaghe is better technically, Hatton is a better fighter. Hatton has achieved more by beating Tsyzu, and then he moved out of the comfort zone to test himself, and until Calzaghe proves he can succeed where Hatton failed; Hatton is still better.
By your definition to be better you just have to do more not actually be the better boxer? I disagree, being better makes you better. Ricky may have fought in vegas, he may have moved out of his comfort zone but this is just doing more than Joe not doing it better. Or when Joe fights B-Hop in the US outside of his comfort zone will you then consider him better?

[kungfu]

How can anyone who was eating shots on the chin all night not defending barely anything that Mayweather was throwing be technically better than Calzaghe?

And people used to call me blinkered despite there views on Hatton.

Got to agree on this like..... hattons defense as shown in the last 4-5 fights is complete GARBAGE and he gets exposed by clever punchers EASILY. Calzaghe has a golden ability that hatton doesnt posess.... that he can adapt his game at any notice and fight a different fight to his advantage. remember the ashira fight where cal broke his hand in round 3!!! he adapted his plan and still shut out ashira with 1 hand, hatton would be mincemeat with one of his hands gone in a fight.

[SleazeNation]

By your definition to be better you just have to do more not actually be the better boxer? I disagree, being better makes you better. Ricky may have fought in vegas, he may have moved out of his comfort zone but this is just doing more than Joe not doing it better. Or when Joe fights B-Hop in the US outside of his comfort zone will you then consider him better?
No, I never said you "just have to do more", I said comparing Calzaghe and Hatton for what they have done in their own divisions, Light Welter and Super Middle. Hatton acheived more by beating the better fighter, in a top 3 p4p Kostya Tsyzu. Calzaghe has never beaten anyone close to a fighter of that regard.
That's where any comparison has to end regarding these two, because Calzaghe has never fought a Collazo or a Mayweather. He never fought outside his own weight.

Hatton's best 140 wins are; Tszyu, Castillo, Maussa, Urango... 3 world titles.
Calzaghe's best 168 wisns are; Kessler, Lacy, Eubank... 3 world titles.

And the big difference in those is 1 opponent is a p4p fighter and one of the best all time in his weight division. Kostya Tszyu, who going into the fight was unbeaten in 8 years.

This ends the comparisons, that is what both fighters did in their weight divisions. Hatton as far as I'm concerned, bettered Joe.

Then Hatton moved up for a new challenge and fought Collazo, and he only won a close decision. But you can't say Calzaghe bettered that, because Calzaghe never moved up to fight Chad Dawson for the WBC title... How would he get on? no one knows because he hasn't done it. Hatton was a 1/9 favourate going into the Collazo fight, everyone thought he'd walk it, but it didn't happen. Calzaghe has to show that he CAN do better.
Than Hatton moved up again to fight the #1 p4p guy, the only comparison Calzaghe could have to this is if he'd done it 5 years ago when Roy was in the same positioned as Floyd is now, but Joe didn't do it.

Compare them at 140/168 where they're fighting peers, not 147/175 - because if you do that Hatton is better because he's acheived a world title at 147. Calzaghe hasn't even acheived a win at 175.

[Benjiabc]

Hatton got destroyed against Mayweather in the same way as Naz got destroyed against Barrera , it was a hard thing to watch but these 2 guys couldnt compete against true champions .. But Joe Calzaghe is exactly the same, can anybody make an argument that Joe COULD beat a 90s Jones jr, its ridiculous, it would have been like last night but probably more 1 sided, Lacey and Kessler are 2 capable boxers, nothing more, nothing less , and nothing like Roy ..... they aint no Mayweather but tonight Joe walks away with the BBC'S sports personality of the year ahead of Ricky ..... At least Ricky and Naz went to Vegas or New York to fight and no matter what anybody says, to make a mark in boxing a fighter has to fight in vegas or the garden .... I like Joe but he needs to step out from the comfort zone, and who the hell is gonna tell me that Joe is better than Jones Jr which is Joes equivalent to Rickys Floyd ................. the real question is who is the best fighter of the last 20 years, Floyd or Pernell ???????? now that is a tough one

calzaghe is a better fighter. how can hatton be better? only thing that i can say is that i have much more respect for hatton then i ever will for calzaghe due to wanting the big fights. but then again with ****** as your promoter the big fights were never likely for calzaghe.

[SleazeNation]

calzaghe is a better fighter. how can hatton be better? only thing that i can say is that i have much more respect for hatton then i ever will for calzaghe due to wanting the big fights. but then again with ****** as your promoter the big fights were never likely for calzaghe.
You want to know how can Hatton be better?
By proving it; he beat guys with better wins than Mundine, Sheika and Vanderpool.

How can Calzaghe be a better fighter until he proves it?

[stake501]

what rubbish

if hes a technically better boxer then he is better. fullstop.

we are not comparing resumes here, they are irrelevent

i think kindelan is a better boxer than casamayor

how can i use resume to prove that. i cant but i can use technical ability.

[steelem]

You want to know how can Hatton be better?
By proving it; he beat guys with better wins than Mundine, Sheika and Vanderpool.

How can Calzaghe be a better fighter until he proves it?

sleaze ball are you 5 yrs of age or somet!!! calzaghe has proved it all now by being a champion at all levels in his division which is something hatton has not proved for 1 - secondly - the art of boxing is not to get hit - just look at saturday for hatton - calzaghe on the other hand is scratch free on every fight - & third is not to lose - hatton has not fit any of my points therefore the winner on this topic is calzaghe - cannot believe sleazeball & the flid witter are still arguing!!

[SleazeNation]

Oh yes, I forgot what a masterful boxer Calzaghe is, he has been dropped by Byron Mitchell and Kabary Salem :patsch

You say he's been a "champion at all levels in his division", you mean Tocker Pudwill level, Mger Mkrtchian ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) level, Miguel Angel Jimenez ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) level, Peter Manfredo level... I understand what you're saying,
He hasn't fought consistantly at a high level, like Hatton has demanded since the Tszyu fight. Everyone Hatton fought since was a world champion, aside from Castillo, who himself has proven more as a fighter than anyone Calzaghe has beaten.

And stake501, I'm not comparing resumes, I'm comparing fighters but they have to have fought someone to prove that they are better. Calzaghe has fought no one on the level of Tsyzu and Mayweather, to prove he can do what Hatton has done.

[steelem]

Oh yes, I forgot what a masterful boxer Calzaghe is, he has been dropped by Byron Mitchell and Kabary Salem :patsch

You say he's been a "champion at all levels in his division", you mean Tocker Pudwill level, Mger Mkrtchian ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) level, Miguel Angel Jimenez ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) level, Peter Manfredo level... I understand what you're saying,
He hasn't fought consistantly at a high level, like Hatton has demanded since the Tszyu fight. Everyone Hatton fought since was a world champion, aside from Castillo, who himself has proven more as a fighter than anyone Calzaghe has beaten.

And stake501, I'm not comparing resumes, I'm comparing fighters but they have to have fought someone to prove that they are better. Calzaghe has fought no one on the level of Tsyzu and Mayweather, to prove he can do what Hatton has done.

No i meant Witter level - if he can take all the belts at light welter then he may stand a little chance in this argument but hatton hasnt really achieved any thing but beating an old castillo & old tsyzu - i really think this comes down to poor management - i think he should have stayed with ******

[SleazeNation]

For most people, You're either the champion or you're not. How many of the various titles you hold doesn't mean that much in boxing today.
When Hatton beat Tszyu he was the 140 champion.
When Calzaghe beat Eubank he held a WBO title and fought no other title holders for 9 years until he fought Lacy for the recognised 168 championship.

Hatton has been linear champion at 140 for over 2 years.
Calzaghe has been linear champion at 168 for over 1 year.

[steelem]

For most people, You're either the champion or you're not. How many of the various titles you hold doesn't mean that much in boxing today.
When Hatton beat Tszyu he was the 140 champion.
When Calzaghe beat Eubank he held a WBO title and fought no other title holders for 9 years until he fought Lacy for the recognised 168 championship.

Hatton has been linear champion at 140 for over 2 years.
Calzaghe has been linear champion at 168 for over 1 year.

omg where u live u need a severe beating

[True Writer]

What the hell are you talking about?

To you Hatton didn't beat Collazo? Collazo was a welterweight world champion who Hatton went to America to fight... Something Calzaghe has never done because he's never taken a risk in his life.

Two fights in Hattons career are incomparible to any fight in Calzaghe's. Collazo and Mayweather. Because they were not fights in his own division. AND they were outside his own country against world champions...

And the only reason I mentioned Rees and Matthews is because of your comment about "you cany commend a loser"
Just because Hatton lost a fight that Calzaghe wouldn't even dare to fight in his dreams, I just compared a couple of unbeaten fighters to fighters that have lost. It's very simple.

Calzaghe has done nothing to prove he's better than Hatton.

This man knows the score - well said.

[brown bomber]

For most people, You're either the champion or you're not. How many of the various titles you hold doesn't mean that much in boxing today.
When Hatton beat Tszyu he was the 140 champion.
When Calzaghe beat Eubank he held a WBO title and fought no other title holders for 9 years until he fought Lacy for the recognised 168 championship.

Hatton has been linear champion at 140 for over 2 years.
Calzaghe has been linear champion at 168 for over 1 year. All true Newbie. :good

[themainevent]

Calzaghe is a better boxer than hatton imo.

Calzaghe has:
1. Better hand speed.
2. Better Jab
3. Better Defence
4. Better Headmovement
5. Better Adaptability
6. Better Ring Generalship
7. Better Samina/Workrate

Hatton has:

1. Better Power (p4p)

Who is the better fighter is not who has the best resume, it is who is the better fighter.
Hatton has arguably better wins it doesn't mean he is a better fighter.

[PrideOfWales]

I cannot believe this thread has got to 7 pages.

Incredible.

[SleazeNation]

Calzaghe is a better boxer than hatton imo.

Calzaghe has:
1. Better hand speed.
2. Better Jab
3. Better Defence
4. Better Headmovement
5. Better Adaptability
6. Better Ring Generalship
7. Better Samina/Workrate

Hatton has:

1. Better Power (p4p)

Who is the better fighter is not who has the best resume, it is who is the better fighter.
Hatton has arguably better wins it doesn't mean he is a better fighter.
So how does one prove they are the better fighter? By beating the best fighters in the world. Calzaghe can jab Evans Ashira's head off all night, or he can outclass an unproven Lacy.
What is Calzaghe's stamina like when he's getting hit by a p4p fighter like Tszyu? We know Hatton's stamina is fine. We know Hatton's adaptability is fine because most people thought he had to be clever against Tszyu, but he didn't - he just had to break his heart. Boxing is not about who boxes more cleverly or who has a better jab - it's about who wins with their own game. Tszyu was a better technical boxer, it didn't matter.

If Hatton and Calzaghe were the same weight, would Hatton break Calzaghe or would Calzaghe box too good for Hatton. All we know is Mayweather, the best p4p, was too good for Hatton a weight up. As for Calzaghe we don't know, he's never tried anything like that.

How can it not be about the fighters they've fought? That's the only way to prove you're better. You can't prove you're a better fighter by having a better jab against inferior opponents.

[PrideOfWales]

So how does one prove they are the better fighter? By beating the best fighters in the world. Calzaghe can jab Evans Ashira's head off all night, or he can outclass an unproven Lacy.
What is Calzaghe's stamina like when he's getting hit by a p4p fighter like Tszyu? We know Hatton's stamina is fine. We know Hatton's adaptability is fine because most people thought he had to be clever against Tszyu, but he didn't - he just had to break his heart. Boxing is not about who boxes more cleverly or who has a better jab - it's about who wins with their own game. Tszyu was a better technical boxer, it didn't matter.

If Hatton and Calzaghe were the same weight, would Hatton break Calzaghe or would Calzaghe box too good for Hatton. All we know is Mayweather, the best p4p, was too good for Hatton a weight up. As for Calzaghe we don't know, he's never tried anything like that.

How can it not be about the fighters they've fought? That's the only way to prove you're better. You can't prove you're a better fighter by having a better jab against inferior opponents.

Manchester United never play soccerball against Shrewsbury Town either but should they play each other, I know where my money would be going. But how would we know who's better? Manchester plays against different teams to Shrewsbury.

As for questioing Calzaghe's stamina... well... that's just idiotic.

[Polymath]

Calzaghe is a better boxer than hatton imo.

Calzaghe has:
1. Better hand speed.
2. Better Jab
3. Better Defence
4. Better Headmovement
5. Better Adaptability
6. Better Ring Generalship
7. Better Samina/Workrate

Hatton has:

1. Better Power (p4p)

Who is the better fighter is not who has the best resume, it is who is the better fighter.
Hatton has arguably better wins it doesn't mean he is a better fighter.

That's actually generous to Hatton; Calzaghe carried very good power early in his career before his hand injuries, and even had Kessler hurt a couple of times. Hattons power is OK at 140 (though nothing special), and he couldn't crack an egg at 147.

[SleazeNation]

Manchester United never play soccerball against Shrewsbury Town either but should they play each other, I know where my money would be going. But how would we know who's better? Manchester plays against different teams to Shrewsbury.

As for questioing Calzaghe's stamina... well... that's just idiotic.
I don't understand the comparison to football or why you'd not use a boxing one.

As for Calzaghe's stamina, it's not just that I'm questioning. I'm questioning Calzaghe; His jab, footwork, handspeed, workrate... and everything else. Because he's not proven any of it works against the best p4p fighters in the world. Because he hasn't fought any of them.

The best comparison between two fighters is Calzaghe and Ottke. Virtually the same record, proved the same as each other. Wouldn't leave their home country to fight the best p4p fighters. Proven unambitious to the point of pathetic.
But maybe they were better than Hatton, maybe we'll never know.
I can't say either is a better fighter than Hatton until I see it. Ottke has lost that chance, Calzaghe has nearly lost it by wasting over 10 years fighting no top level guys.

All I'm saying is, If Calzaghe is better or worse than Hatton is unknown until he shows it one way or the other. As of now Hatton's the only one who has shown it.

It makes me a little bit sad to think that 90% of people on this board rate Calzaghe over Hatton based on what he looks like against unproven fighters at home, when Hatton has done everything he could to get the biggest names in the sport.
I'm glad there are fighters like Hatton, Lacy and Kessler in boxing. Otherwise those three guys would still be unbeaten and still fighting in their home towns defending their title. Just like Calzaghe and Ottke.

[PrideOfWales]

I don't understand the comparison to football or why you'd not use a boxing one.

As for Calzaghe's stamina, it's not just that I'm questioning. I'm questioning Calzaghe; His jab, footwork, handspeed, workrate... and everything else. Because he's not proven any of it works against the best p4p fighters in the world. Because he hasn't fought any of them.

The best comparison between two fighters is Calzaghe and Ottke. Virtually the same record, proved the same as each other. Wouldn't leave their home country to fight the best p4p fighters. Proven unambitious to the point of pathetic.
But maybe they were better than Hatton, maybe we'll never know.
I can't say either is a better fighter than Hatton until I see it. Ottke has lost that chance, Calzaghe has nearly lost it by wasting over 10 years fighting no top level guys.

All I'm saying is, If Calzaghe is better or worse than Hatton is unknown until he shows it one way or the other. As of now Hatton's the only one who has shown it.

It makes me a little bit sad to think that 90% of people on this board rate Calzaghe over Hatton based on what he looks like against unproven fighters at home, when Hatton has done everything he could to get the biggest names in the sport.
I'm glad there are fighters like Hatton, Lacy and Kessler in boxing. Otherwise those three guys would still be unbeaten and still fighting in their home towns defending their title. Just like Calzaghe and Ottke.

A wasted post - I didn't read it

[SleazeNation]

A wasted post - I didn't read it
It's a good job you didn't read it, because you wouldn't be able to answer it anyway.

[mike464]

A wasted post - I didn't read itRead it. It does make sense.

[JonOli]

Oh yes, I forgot what a masterful boxer Calzaghe is, he has been dropped by Byron Mitchell and Kabary Salem :patsch

You say he's been a "champion at all levels in his division", you mean Tocker Pudwill level, Mger Mkrtchian ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) level, Miguel Angel Jimenez ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) level, Peter Manfredo level... I understand what you're saying,
He hasn't fought consistantly at a high level, like Hatton has demanded since the Tszyu fight. Everyone Hatton fought since was a world champion, aside from Castillo, who himself has proven more as a fighter than anyone Calzaghe has beaten.

And stake501, I'm not comparing resumes, I'm comparing fighters but they have to have fought someone to prove that they are better. Calzaghe has fought no one on the level of Tsyzu and Mayweather, to prove he can do what Hatton has done.

Well said, totally agree. :good

[safe_pa]

This thread all comes down to interpritation. I believe better to mean capable of more, which Calzaghe is.
Some people quite clearly think better means achieved more, which Hatton has. Different opinions are a wonderful thing.

[steelem]

even so hatton has not achieved to what calzghe has - if your cvs come to me for a job & i said what have you achieved then calzaghe wins hands down - thats what counts surely - & if you made the mistake which hatton has twice now then these are surely what goes against this debate..

[mike464]

This thread all comes down to interpritation. I believe better to mean capable of more, which Calzaghe is.
Some people quite clearly think better means achieved more, which Hatton has. Different opinions are a wonderful thing.You're not capable of more if you're never going to step up.

[SleazeNation]

You're not capable of more if you're never going to step up.
Mike, you can say the same thing in one line that takes me a whole page. Thank you.

[toffeejack]

If Calzaghe were English he'd be hailed as the second coming by most.

And if he were English, posters like Mike and the idiot (you all know who he is on this thread) would be admitting the truth.

[Max Molyneux]

Hatton finally fights someone who was fresh and not chosen at the right time or cherrypicked, he loses.

Calzaghe fights who you wanted him to fight and he wins.

True fans don't need resumes to judge fighters so badly like most do.

[SleazeNation]

Hatton finally fights someone who was fresh and not chosen at the right time or cherrypicked, he loses.

Calzaghe fights who you wanted him to fight and he wins.

True fans don't need resumes to judge fighters so badly like most do.
Yeh, he fought "someone fresh" who also just happens to be the best p4p fighter in world and throw in up a weight division aswell, don't forget.

And for "true fans" it doesn't matter who someone has fought? As long as you believe that you'll be alright as a Calzaghe fan.

[Max Molyneux]

Yeh, he fought "someone fresh" who also just happens to be the best p4p fighter in world and throw in up a weight division aswell, don't forget.

And for "true fans" it doesn't matter who someone has fought? As long as you believe that you'll be alright as a Calzaghe fan.

He fought the P4p best but lacked any gameplan, defence or proper thought.

Why did he bother?

[JonOli]

He fought the P4p best but lacked any gameplan, defence or proper thought.

Why did he bother?

Floyd was just to good for him it happens. Give the best fighter in the world some credit for demolishing a worthy opponent. In case you've never noticed the man is unbeaten by some of the best fighters in the world. Probably nobody on the planet(in his weight class) can beat him at this moment in time. Yet in two lines you have the answers. Are you suggesting that Hatton was good enough to beat him but just got his game plan wrong? You must still highly rate him even after his loss. Fair play.

[JonOli]

Calzaghe fights who you wanted him to fight and he wins.


Thats a wild guess and total conjecture. Nobody knows what the result would be, so you simply cant give him credit for such. You can only credit him for what he has beat. Credit him for the level of opposition he has defeated. He may look a totally different boxer against high level opponents. He may still look immense or he may look bloody awful. Who knows? End of story.

eg A mid table premiership football side looks amazing against lower league opposition. They look like one of the best teams in the world, Brazil or something. Yet when they play one of the top 4, they look truly shit. Its the same team with same amount of skill, but this skill is no longer evident. Better opponents simply nullify that skill. What someone looks like skill wise against low grade opposition, is nothing like what there going to look like against real true quality.

Joe may well be one of the best ever, but sadly we will never now know for sure. He has never been tested consistently at the highest level.

[SleazeNation]

He fought the P4p best but lacked any gameplan, defence or proper thought.

Why did he bother?
He bothered because he's an ambitious fighter who wanted the biggest fight he could get. Even if it meant leaving his home comforts and his natural weight. Unlike Joe, would could have done the same as Hatton 5 years ago and fought Roy at 175. He didn't have enough ambition or belief or anything else.

Where did you want Hatton to go after beating the p4p #2?
Sh*t, Calzaghe would be fighting at a new level if he fought ANYONE in the p4p top 10. The only way Hatton could fight someone better was to fight the #1. And he didn't run from it - he went after it.

[elle]

We will get another chance to review Hatton's performance against Mayweather as it will be re-shown in full on BBC2 at 1pm on Sunday 16th December. :good

[steelem]

We will get another chance to review Hatton's performance against Mayweather as it will be re-shown in full on BBC2 at 1pm on Sunday 16th December. :good

watched the Hbo version which wass far better than the ppv sky

[elle]

At least with the BBC I get to record it without all the adverts during the Sky coverage!

Good that the BBC have renewed their interest in boxing.

[steelem]

At least with the BBC I get to record it without all the adverts during the Sky coverage!

Good that the BBC have renewed their interest in boxing.

i can send you the hbo version if you like - far better with emaual stewart & Co commentating - you even get to know what the corners are saying to the boxers - why cant sky get it right - pm me anyway if you want it !!

[Amsterdam]

All you have to do is analyze video. Then you will come to the conclusion that Hatton is one dimensional and Calzgahe is multidimensional and a much better fighter.

[elle]

i can send you the hbo version if you like - far better with emaual stewart & Co commentating - you even get to know what the corners are saying to the boxers - why cant sky get it right - pm me anyway if you want it !!


Thanks Steelem - I may take you up on that.

Will see what BBC2 come up with this weekend before I put you to any bother though.