Dear Dana White, UFC, and MMA...

[acb]

Your tenure as the top fight sport was short, wasnt it?

Hope you enjoyed it for the two weeks that it lasted. :smoke

Sincerely,

Boxing
-Best fight sport, ever


P.S. Hows that Fedor aquisition coming? :hey

[Toopretty]

Best thread of the night....

[Beebs]

Your tenure as the top fight sport was short, wasnt it?

Hope you enjoyed it for the two weeks that it lasted. :smoke

Sincerely,

Boxing
-Best fight sport, ever


P.S. Hows that Fedor aquisition coming? :hey

Shut the fuck up.

UFC had an event that aired right before the boxing ppv, had much more action, A GREAT UNDERCARD, and was free and as such probably got more viewers, and anybody who saw that card became a fan.

Watch both, idiot.

[doublesuited]

Shut the fuck up.

UFC had an event that aired right before the boxing ppv, had much more action, A GREAT UNDERCARD, and was free.

Watch both, idiot.UFC is for fags. Go watch that gay shit elsewhere.

[acb]

Shut the fuck up.

UFC had an event that aired right before the boxing ppv, had much more action, A GREAT UNDERCARD, and was free.

Watch both, idiot.

You would have less vaginal itch if you spent less time on the mat and more time fighting upright, like a man. :rasta

Relax Beebs. Just standing up for my favorite fight sport.

[Beebs]

Real fighting is real fighting, boxing is boxing.

How you can not like REAL fighting is beyond me, I love boxing, but its one piece of a puzzle.

No swimmer is winning a triathialon.

[Ashy Knucks]

Your tenure as the top fight sport was short, wasnt it?

Hope you enjoyed it for the two weeks that it lasted. :smoke

Sincerely,

Boxing
-Best fight sport, ever


P.S. Hows that Fedor aquisition coming? :hey

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[acb]

Real fighting is real fighting, boxing is boxing.

How you can not like REAL fighting is beyond me, I love boxing, but its one piece of a puzzle.

No swimmer is winning a triathialon.
Uh huh. And MMA is real fighting, right?

In a controlled arena, one on one, rolling around for minutes on a soft pad with a referee and no weapons.

No, both are fight sports, with rules. Period.

[Dostoevsky]

Boxing is boxing, MMA is fighting.

MMA fighter > Boxer

(Still love boxing though, but you gotta tell the truth, an MMA fighter would destroy a boxer in a real fight)

[Ashy Knucks]

Uh huh. And MMA is real fighting, right?

In a controlled arena, one on one, with a referee and no weopons.

No, both are fight sports, with rules. Period.

Exactly.. I can't remember the last time I saw or had a street fight where there was some spooning on the floor present..

[sprite]

boxing rules

[Beebs]

MMA is not real fighting and neither is boxing.

MMA is as close as you can get to real fighting without getting arrested. Vale Tudo was just flat out real fighting.

You might not find real fighting entertaining, but I dont give a fuck, plus although the sport was doing just fine without mainstream exposure, it is now the fastest growing sport in the world.

You don't see people on the MMA forum starting threads about boxing now do you?

You might not like MMA, but it is the purest expression of fighting you can get away with.

[Toopretty]

Fuck MMA, that gay shit.....dry humping and wrapping your legs around another man..no excuse..GAY

[Dostoevsky]

how do you know that? there are no rules in real fighting. MMA fighter owns boxer in a cage and a boxer will own a fighter in a ring. real fighting is a different animal.

MMA resembles real fighting far more closer than boxing.

[acb]

Boxing is boxing, MMA is fighting.

MMA fighter > Boxer

(Still love boxing though, but you gotta tell the truth, an MMA fighter would destroy a boxer in a real fight)

Like that fight someone posted a few weeks ago, right?

Oh, forgot, Frye was drunk. Convenient.

Anyways, none of this matters.

The point of the thread is that boxing finished up the year solidly as the best fight sport, and all the dumbass MMA fans who said it was down for the count can now wander off... Lidell is done, Hughes was beat, GSP was beat, and Sherk got busted doing what we all knew he was doing.

Boxing > MMA.

[Ashy Knucks]

Fuck MMA, that gay shit.....dry humping and wrapping your legs around another man..no excuse..GAY

:rofl :rofl :rofl

[acb]

You don't see people on the MMA forum starting threads about boxing now do you?


Because its a boxing forum. Go to MMA forums, you know its there.

Oh, then there is Dana White, who cant keep the great sport of boxing out of his mouth. Fuck him too.

[Dostoevsky]

Wow......fighters got beat...the sport must now surely be finished :lol: :rofl

[Beebs]

Like that fight someone posted a few weeks ago, right?

Oh, forgot, Frye was drunk. Convenient.

Anyways, none of this matters.

The point of the thread is that boxing finished up the year solidly as the best fight sport, and all the dumbass MMA fans who said it was down for the count can now wander off... Lidell is done, Hughes was beat, GSP was beat, and Sherk got busted doing what we all knew he was doing.

Boxing > MMA.

Don Frye is an old drunk, Sonny is an Old nobody, hardly the best representatives.

MMA is more popular now than it has ever been, your argument is fucking stupid. The UFC is in negotiations with CBS to put on a show.

Love it or hate it, MMA will always be the purest form of fighting going.

[Beebs]

Because its a boxing forum. Go to MMA forums, you know its there.

Oh, then there is Dana White, who cant keep the great sport of boxing out of his mouth. Fuck him too.

Keep hating, MMA keeps growing.

Old loses like you who cant adopt to change, or cant except the fact that your heros would be ground into hamburger and killed by average mma fighters makes your cry doesnt it?

[acb]

Wow......fighters got beat...the sport must now surely be finished :lol: :rofl

They didnt just get beat.. the were:

Beat (Lidell, GSP, etc)
Not signed (Fedor)
Resigned (Couture)
Busted for banned substances (Sherk)

[Dostoevsky]

I'd love to see BJ vs Mayweather in a street fight.......wonder who would win?
I bet Floyd would get his little arms snapped off. :yep

[doublesuited]

Everytime the UFC gets a star, he either tests positive for horse steroids or his glass chin gets exposed.

[Beebs]

They didnt just get beat.. the were:

Beat (Lidell, GSP, etc)
Not signed (Fedor)
Resigned (Couture)
Busted for banned substances (Sherk)

Fedor got signed, just not by the UFC, the sport exists outside of one org.

Thats like saying a guy signing with Frank Warren instead of GBP didnt "get signed"

You're a fucking faggot idiot who doesnt know what your talking about.

[Beebs]

Everytime the UFC gets a star, he either tests positive for horse steroids or his glass chin gets exposed.

And those glass chined nobodies would destroy the greatest boxer in the world in under 5 min.

[acb]

Keep hating, MMA keeps growing.

Old loses like you who cant adopt to change, or cant except the fact that your heros would be ground into hamburger and killed by average mma fighters makes your cry doesnt it?

Beebs, MMA is taking a shit, and I think you know it.

Insult me all you want, doesnt change the facts.

[Dostoevsky]

They didnt just get beat.. the were:

Beat (Lidell, GSP, etc)
Not signed (Fedor)
Resigned (Couture)
Busted for banned substances (Sherk)

Big deal fighters got beat, that happens. Not a big deal.
Not signed? again, a shame, but big deal, Fedor ain't the be all and end all of MMA.
Couture is 44, he is an ATG so what if he went?
Sherk getting busted? Thats actually a good thing, he was boring and a cheat, there are plenty of great fighters left in the LW division.

[Beebs]

Beebs, MMA is taking a shit, and I think you know it.

Insult me all you want, doesnt change the facts.

MMA is making more money, and is more popular now than it has ever been, if thats taking a shit, sign me up dumbass.

[acb]

Fedor got signed, just not by the UFC, the sport exists outside of one org.

Thats like saying a guy signing with Frank Warren instead of GBP didnt "get signed"

You're a fucking faggot idiot who doesnt know what your talking about.

:lol::lol::lol:

Your struggling. I love how you act as though there is any other organization he should be with other than the UFC.

It would be like Lebron James refusing to play in the NBA to play in the Croation league.

I see your an apologist though.

[Beebs]

and the best MMA fighter in the world wouldnt last 3 rounds with any boxer in the top 50. whats your point?

My point is that MMA is the more pure form of fighting, and in any avenue other than a boxing match, the boxer gets killed.

[Dostoevsky]

and the best MMA fighter in the world wouldnt last 3 rounds with any boxer in the top 50. whats your point?

Are you talking boxing? Or fighting?

[Beebs]

:lol::lol::lol:

Your struggling. I love how you act as though there is any other organization he should be with other than the UFC.

It would be like Lebron James refusing to play in the NBA to play in the Croation league.

I see your an apologist though.

His org allows him to fight in any other org he chooses

Get your facts straight.

[acb]

Big deal fighters got beat, that happens. Not a big deal.
Not signed? again, a shame, but big deal, Fedor ain't the be all and end all of MMA.
Couture is 44, he is an ATG so what if he went?
Sherk getting busted? Thats actually a good thing, he was boring and a cheat, there are plenty of great fighters left in the LW division.

Spin.

Fedor is the P4P best in the sport.

Couture was the UFC heavyweight champion.

That means that the 2 best heavyweights arent in the premier MMA organization.

[acb]

His org allows him to fight in any other org he chooses

Get your facts straight.

So I will see him fight his next fight in UFC, right?

Thought so.

[T.C.W]

My point is that MMA is the more pure form of fighting, and in any avenue other than a boxing match, the boxer gets killed.what happen if the boxer is like mayweather and hurts the MMA fighter first before he get hold of him, they all start standing up

[Dostoevsky]

It sucks they are now irrelevent but the entire sport of MMA does not revolve around two people.
The sport will continue to grow and exist without them.

[Beebs]

Spin.

Fedor is the P4P best in the sport.

Couture was the UFC heavyweight champion.

That means that the 2 best heavyweights arent in the premier MMA organization.

And yet, the sport is still the fastest growing in the world and is still more popular than it has ever been.

And Randy and Fedor still eat any boxer to ever lace up the gloves alive.

[Pimp C]

Fuck the UFC. This is a boxing forum.

[Smith]

An mma guy would not get the chance to take down a boxer, he would be struck out with some hooks straight away. Your average boxer beats your average mma guy 99 times out of 100. Have trained in both, and i'm sure of this.

Still, boxing is my #1 sport of all time, but theirs no point in hating on mma, im a fan(well at least I was up until the ufc Pride takeover)

[Dostoevsky]

what happen if the boxer is like mayweather and hurts the MMA fighter first before he get hold of him, they all start standing up

Very unlikely. Unless Mayweather could get some sort of wonder punch on the MMA fighter, he couldn't avoid the clinch all night.

[Beebs]

what happen if the boxer is like mayweather and hurts the MMA fighter first before he get hold of him, they all start standing up

Hell of alot easier to avoid a punch than it is to avoid a takedown or clinch, this was proven over 30 minutes last night.

[acb]

And yet, the sport is still the fastest growing in the world and is still more popular than it has ever been.

And Randy and Fedor still eat any boxer to ever lace up the gloves alive.

Lol, do you recieve a check from Dana.

On one hand talking up the two best heavies, then justifying them not being in the best organization.

[Dostoevsky]

An mma guy would not get the chance to take down a boxer, he would be struck out with some hooks straight away. Your average boxer beats your average mma guy 99 times out of 100. Have trained in both, aqand i'm sure of this.

Complete nonsense mate.

Look at the Hatton-Mayweather fight, how many clinches in the 1st round? What would a world class Judo fighter, or wrestler do in that position? You think he wouldn't get him to the ground?

It would be extremley easy.

[Beebs]

An mma guy would not get the chance to take down a boxer, he would be struck out with some hooks straight away. Your average boxer beats your average mma guy 99 times out of 100. Have trained in both, and i'm sure of this

You are a fucking idiot, this isn't hypothetical, this has happened, many times.

Skelton is a higher ranked boxer than Erikson is MMA fighter, look.

I guess this was the 1/100.
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[Beebs]

I guess if that was 1/100

What the hell is this?
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[Smith]

You are a fucking idiot, Who the fuck do you think you're calling an idiot. Get the fuck out of here with this shit, what the fuck is the point in being abusive. I let my view across, take it or leave it. You're childish. I'm not gonna bother with you.Boyd out.

[Ethan Trims]

An mma guy would not get the chance to take down a boxer, he would be struck out with some hooks straight away. Your average boxer beats your average mma guy 99 times out of 100. Have trained in both, and i'm sure of this.

Still, boxing is my #1 sport of all time, but theirs no point in hating on mma, im a fan(well at least I was up until the ufc Pride takeover)

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Enjoy buddy. You dont know what the fuck your talking about.

[Beebs]

Even a washed up world champion boxer should be able to beat a pure street fighter with less than 6 months of MMA training? I mean boxing is the end all be all of fighting right? And this guy is nothing but a street bum, no official fights of any kind, not even an MMA fighter, a street fighter.

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[Smith]

Complete nonsense mate.

Look at the Hatton-Mayweather fight, how many clinches in the 1st round? What would a world class Judo fighter, or wrestler do in that position? You think he wouldn't get him to the ground?

It would be extremley easy.No way pal, Im not with you on this one. Agree to disagree.

[Beebs]

Who the fuck do you think you're calling an idiot. Get the fuck out of here with this shit, what the fuck is the point in being abusive. I let my view across, take it or leave it. You're a fucking childish little fuck. I'm not gonna bother with you.Boyd out.

Who am I? Im the mother fucker PROVING you wrong you fucking cunt.

If your opinion is retarded, dont give me that pussy ass excuse that "oh its just an opinon"

No mother fucker, you stated it as fact, and I'm proving it dead fucking wrong, and theres not shit you can fucking do about it.

[Zakman]

Shut the fuck up.

UFC had an event that aired right before the boxing ppv, had much more action, A GREAT UNDERCARD, and was free and as such probably got more viewers, and anybody who saw that card became a fan.

Watch both, idiot.

Watch that BORING rolling-around-on-the-ground crap all you want, friend. Just remember - here at East Side BOXING, the sweet science is NUMBER ONE, and that WWF-knock off is considered decidedly second-rate!!! :nod

[JonOli]

To me personally MMA is only exciting when there stood up "boxing".

I will gladly watch MMA when its on. More so then a match between two unknown boxers say.

But when it comes to the big fights, it has to be boxing every time for me. MMA just doesn't even remotely come close.

[acb]

This thread isnt about what the purer form of fighting is, or who kicks who's ass. This is only a tactic to deflect attention.

Its about how boxing has solidified its place. Fights like Mayweather vs DLH/Hatton, Cotto vs Mosely/Judah, Vasquez vs Marquez, Calzaghe vs Kessler... these fights put boxing back on top.

And Im proud of boxing, after all the shit that was talked about it.

[Beebs]

Watch that BORING rolling-around-on-the-ground crap all you want, friend. Just remember - here at East Side BOXING, the sweet science is NUMBER ONE, and that WWF-knock off is considered decidedly second-rate!!! :nod

Exciting is subjective, better for real world is objective.

I dont care if you dont find mma more exciting, its still the more realistic fight sport.

[bigeddie27]

MMA is as close as you can get to real fighting without getting arrested. Vale Tudo was just flat out real fighting.

You might not find real fighting entertaining, but I dont give a fuck, plus although the sport was doing just fine without mainstream exposure, it is now the fastest growing sport in the world.

You don't see people on the MMA forum starting threads about boxing now do you?

You might not like MMA, but it is the purest expression of fighting you can get away with.

what the fuck are you talking about man. in real fights people tend to distance themselves from one another. You come grapple me to try that move, and Ill straight rip your balls off and thumb you right in the eye till your blind. Anything goes in a real fight - if you dont distance yourself you are setting yourself up to get hurt. Remeber - self defence goes a long way towards getting away with blinding someone, biting them, or ripping their balls off. I would like to seriously meet someone who can honestly continue to grapple me with their balls being ripped off. yeah thats what I thought. You got nothing for me bitch. go take that argument and stuff it up your ass. Boxing is more like a real fight than mma anyday jerkoff.

[doublesuited]

UFC is for queers.

[the_churn]

Reminds me of two guys trying to rape each other in prison . . . not my thing.

[platnumpapi]

Your tenure as the top fight sport was short, wasnt it?

Hope you enjoyed it for the two weeks that it lasted. :smoke

Sincerely,

Boxing
-Best fight sport, ever


P.S. Hows that Fedor aquisition coming? :hey


this year in boxing was amazing ! im was gone to make a dvd of all the best fights of 07 but hell thats like 10 or more fights.ufc is great but boxing blew them out of the warter this yr.this yr was better then any other mma yr period.:thumbsup

[Beebs]

This thread isnt about what the purer form of fighting is, or who kicks who's ass. This is only a tactic to deflect attention.

Its about how boxing has solidified its place. Fights like Mayweather vs DLH/Hatton, Cotto vs Mosely/Judah, Vasquez vs Marquez, Calzaghe vs Kessler... these fights put boxing back on top.

And Im proud of boxing, after all the shit that was talked about it.

No, this thread is about you running your mouth off like a bitch.

Then say how proud you are of boxing, no need to bring a sport that has fighters that would beat the shit out of boxers into it.

[doomeddisciple]

I love the argument about MMA is a better street style.

I grant you one on one - MMA guys would most likley take down a boxer and ground and pound, but as soon as you get two or more guys on you - What are you going to do - Ask them to line up while you go for top position?

I know a guy who is a really good Brazilian Jui Jitsu guy who bounces in clubs.

He says he doesn't do any of that stuff any more cause one night he took a guy down and locked him up whilst waiting for backup - When the friends of the guy he had down walked over and kicked him in the head knocking out two teeth.

One on one - MMA is awesome. I even like the sport - But NOTHING beats the big boxing fight atmosphere for me, the pinnacle of sport for me.

[Smith]

Who am I? Im the mother fucker PROVING you wrong you fucking cunt.

If your opinion is retarded, dont give me that pussy ass excuse that "oh its just an opinon"

No mother fucker, you stated it as fact, and I'm proving it dead fucking wrong, and theres not shit you can fucking do about it.Youve not proved me wrong at all little girl. Youre just coming in with your view, like I did.

You're embarrassing yourself with your temper, take a time out and have a lollipop.

[acb]

I dont care if you dont find mma more exciting, its still the more realistic fight sport.

Who gives a shit, neither one is the real world. If we want to watch a real fight we could go to any bar anywhere in the world to do so.

[acb]

No, this thread is about you running your mouth off like a bitch.

Then say how proud you are of boxing, no need to bring a sport that has fighters that would beat the shit out of boxers into it.

Beebs, you have lost your credibility as a poster.

You have the temper of a 14 year old girl.

And, you just continue to pass off your "what if" theories as if they are fact, when they are nothing more than your opinion.

[Beebs]

no offence beebs, but your a moron, who has no idea no clue about mercer, kimbo and that whole fight. im out. im not responding anymore to this thread.

street fight, MMA match, and boxing match are all seperate things. an MMA fighter might be able to whoop anyone in a sanctioned cage match, but he might just as easily get pummeled by some crazy mofo on the street where absolutely anything goes. street fight does not equal two guys fighting in a parking lot with rules.

No, enlighten me, please do.

Please give me all the pathetic excuses and backpeddling you need to to make yourself believe boxers are half the fighters MMA fighters are.

[Beebs]

Beebs, you have lost your credibility as a poster.

You have the temper of a 14 year old girl.

And, you just continue to pass off your "what if" theories as if they are fact, when they are nothing more than your opinion.

No what if's, no theories, I posted actual instances.

You were the one who insulted a great sport.

If you wanted to talk great about boxing I would have been 100% behind you, but no, you had to go and insult another sport to make yourself feel better.

[Beebs]

When I see a great basketball game, I don't talk about how much baseball sucks.

When I see a great runner, I don't bitch about triathalons being terrible.

[G_RapPBF]

If one of those no talent journeymen ass clown MMA fighters came in on Floyd Mayweather he'd pop em twice before they knew what hit them and be on their asses on the canvas. MMA doesnt have the talent pool to be considered anything but a Novelty sport. I'd like to see CHuck Liddel try and fight a top boxer, he'd get pummeled with his slow ass "strikes"

[acb]

No what if's, no theories, I posted actual instances.

You were the one who insulted a great sport.

If you wanted to talk great about boxing I would have been 100% behind you, but no, you had to go and insult another sport to make yourself feel better.

Lol, your instances are MMA fights. Wow, MMA fighter wins MMA fight. Brilliant.

And I didnt insult it, I said boxing got the better of MMA this year after all from a fan perspective. There is more hype and fanfare with boxing right now IMO with all the great fights.

And your one sensitive dude, its not as if DANA WHITE HIMSELF doesnt insult boxing all the time.

[Beebs]

You insulted it.

I'm not Dana White, and if I had the opportunity, I would tell him to shut the fuck up about boxing

[doomeddisciple]

When I see a great basketball game, I don't talk about how much baseball sucks.

When I see a great runner, I don't bitch about triathalons being terrible.

Dude - You might not - But Joe Rogan can't help but try to compare the sports in most broadcasts, White himself says that he looks at boxing as a "what not to do" - The competition is both ways.

I agree with your point though - Watching the Sherk Attack get top position and wrestle to a decision victory unsure of how to finish once he's got top position is every bit as boring as John Ruiz hug fests.

Both sports can be great , both can suck.

Liddell would get his ass paddled by a boxer in a boxing fight - But he'd kick the shins off a boxer and take him down rather than strike anyway - So whats the point

[Beebs]

Fuck it, countdown till the mods rightly ditch this shit thread, fuck you.

[Beebs]

Dude - You might not - But Joe Rogan can't help but try to compare the sports in most broadcasts, White himself says that he looks at boxing as a "what not to do" - The competition is both ways.

I agree with your point though - Watching the Sherk Attack get top position and wrestle to a decision victory unsure of how to finish once he's got top position is every bit as boring as John Ruiz hug fests.

Both sports can be great , both can suck.

Liddell would get his ass paddled by a boxer in a boxing fight - But he'd kick the shins off a boxer and take him down rather than strike anyway - So whats the point

So instead of being above the stupidity of those idiots insulting great sports, we should try and one up them at it huh?

[acb]

You insulted it.

I'm not Dana White, and if I had the opportunity, I would tell him to shut the fuck up about boxing

How exaclty? If you read my post, it was about the current state of the two sports and that boxing has found its way back to the top.

Boxing took a beating for so long from MMA fans and fight fans who didnt know shit about boxing, and its come back to put MMA on the mat from a popular sports perspective with big fights.

Call it an insult, its real, and yes there is a little dancing in the end zone to go with it.

[acb]

Fuck it, countdown till the mods rightly ditch this shit thread, fuck you.

:lol::patsch

[doomeddisciple]

Not at all - But as if you're going to reach consensus on this board of all places?

Its the equivalent of arguing equal rights on a Klu Klux Klan page around here...

[Beebs]

Not at all - But as if you're going to reach consensus on this board of all places?

Its the equivalent of arguing equal rights on a Klu Klux Klan page around here...

That makes the klansmen any less stupid or wrong?

[Heavyrighthand]

Your tenure as the top fight sport was short, wasnt it?

Hope you enjoyed it for the two weeks that it lasted. :smoke

Sincerely,

Boxing
-Best fight sport, ever


P.S. Hows that Fedor aquisition coming? :hey

:good :good :good

MMA will start to fade back to where it belongs as an underground sideshow type show.

I think everyone knows that that kind fo nonsense cannot stay at the top for very long. MMA is bullshit nonsense, compared to boxing, and the mainstream fans will get tired of that bullshit, in due time, and the only ones left watching that rediculous crap will be the MMA diehards who follow it religiously. Much like the wrestling fans who stick with that bullshit through thick and thin.

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[gruuby]

I don't enjoy half-naked men rolling around on the floor. But then I'm not gay. Not that there's anything wrong with it...

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[doublesuited]

I don't enjoy half-naked men rolling around on the floor. But then I'm not gay. Not that there's anything wrong with it...

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[codeman99998]

what the fuck are you talking about man. in real fights people tend to distance themselves from one another. You come grapple me to try that move, and Ill straight rip your balls off and thumb you right in the eye till your blind. Anything goes in a real fight - if you dont distance yourself you are setting yourself up to get hurt. Remeber - self defence goes a long way towards getting away with blinding someone, biting them, or ripping their balls off. I would like to seriously meet someone who can honestly continue to grapple me with their balls being ripped off. yeah thats what I thought. You got nothing for me bitch. go take that argument and stuff it up your ass. Boxing is more like a real fight than mma anyday jerkoff.

This is flat out, 100% not true.

Have you ever gotten into a streetfight? I am not going to pretend as if I am some seasoned veteran or something, but I've gotten into a few, and let me tell you, MOST of the time it doesn't turn into an eye-poking, groin attacking, biting bloodfest. Most people have a sort of sense of honor and most people aren't out to do serious life altering injuries to their opponent. Most streetfights are about pride, and most are not exactly life or death.

Also, low blows aren't as effective in a real fight as some people tend to think. Remember, boxers KNOW the fight is going to be stopped, at least temporarily, when they are hit low, so they have no problem embelishing the fact a bit. Watch low blows in the old UFC, where the only rule was no eye gouging, and you can see they arent as disabling as they appear in movies or as bad as you would think.

Getting hit with a clean right hand can knock you unconcious, or, if not, disable your reflexes, speed, and power. A low blow just hurts. Pain is a lot easier to fight through than losing your physical abilities.

[codeman99998]

:good :good :good

MMA will start to fade back to where it belongs as an underground sideshow type show.

I think everyone knows that that kind fo nonsense cannot stay at the top for very long. MMA is bullshit nonsense, compared to boxing, and the mainstream fans will get tired of that bullshit, in due time, and the only ones left watching that rediculous crap will be the MMA diehards who follow it religiously. Much like the wrestling fans who stick with that bullshit through thick and thin.

How is it nonsense?

[barneyrub]

Shut the fuck up.

UFC had an event that aired right before the boxing ppv, had much more action, A GREAT UNDERCARD, and was free and as such probably got more viewers, and anybody who saw that card became a fan.

Watch both, idiot.Nobody goes to boxing or buys a ppv boxing for the undercard, ufc may market an event of a full card for its show but thats because its one promoter with a monopoly on the market which is giving its own made up title out. Its paying chump change to its fighters so can afford to put them on one card, who would go to see a main event of Bisping vs Evans, it needs propping up!
Boxing cards are about the main event.

[kirk]

Real fighting is real fighting, boxing is boxing.

How you can not like REAL fighting is beyond me, I love boxing, but its one piece of a puzzle.

No swimmer is winning a triathialon.

LOL! anyone who thinks mma is REAL fighting is joking themselves. sorry... but boxing is just as much REAL fighting as a fucking triangle choke.

i garuntee you i use more boxing then half of what mma is... kameras, triangle chokes, ect, ect...


there are scientists of mma just like there are scientists of boxing... and there are more brutal and fighter types in both.

Yes boxing is more limited then mma, but that limitation is what makes the champions in it that much greater to me.... they need certain things to be a true champion.

Real champions fight on their feet with their fists... they dont kick eachother and try to grab the other. There is a reason thats how kids and girls fight.

also... if any mma guy could be a champion in boxing they would do it. they cant.... so they do what their good at. no knocking them... its just how it is. i dont expect a wrestler to go into boxing to get his ass beat when theres the ufc... and i dont expect a boxer to go into grappling to get thrown around when he has boxing. Their differant types of fighters, and thank god they both have their outlets.

[Beebs]

Kameras huh?

You sure know what you're talking about.

[SweetScience]

When I see a great basketball game, I don't talk about how much baseball sucks.

When I see a great runner, I don't bitch about triathalons being terrible.

STFU you dense cunt. I've never seen a street fight end on the ground. So for those who say that MMA is like real fighting, then they are fucking dead wrong. Plus the vids that you showed us of MMA fighters beating up boxers were fights under MMA rules you dumbshit. It would have been the same if an MMA fighter stepped into the boxing ring and the boxer whooped his ass. In a street fight, it could be a toss out between the two. Show me a vid of a boxer and a MMA fighter in a streetfight and not in a sport you piece of shit.

[kirk]

Kameras huh?

You sure know what you're talking about.

holy shit great comeback! sorry... KIMURA... sorry, my coach never tought me the fucking spelling :patsch dear lord....

[ralphc]

Dana White should now offer Floyd Mayweather 20 mil to fight that street punk, Shrek, or whatever his name is. Mayweather is now much more marketable.

[kirk]

Dana White should now offer Floyd Mayweather 20 mil to fight that street punk, Shrek, or whatever his name is. Mayweather is now much more marketable. sherk?

that guy would never make it past the roid tests (he failed his test right after all that hype)

[nezy37]

I will give MMA credit where it is due. It's rise has threatened boxing and now boxing is making the fights that it should have been doing all along.

Competition improves the product and MMA has done that for boxing

[codeman99998]

Lol, I honestly like Floyd but if you think HATTON's holding caused him problems, you have no idea what sherk would do to him...

Boxing versus MMA is dumb. I love boxing, but anyone who thinks the best boxer beats the best MMA fighter at the same weight in a street fight is just IGNANT!

[ralphc]

Lol, I honestly like Floyd but if you think HATTON's holding caused him problems, you have no idea what sherk would do to him...

Boxing versus MMA is dumb. I love boxing, but anyone who thinks the best boxer beats the best MMA fighter at the same weight in a street fight is just IGNANT!


Mayweather proved he knows how to use his elbows against Hatton. Shrek can hold all he wants, Mayweather can handle it.

[brooklyn1550]

Both sports and both types of combatants have my utmost respect, but at the end of the day, boxing will still be standing.

[kirk]

mma will never fade... high school wrestling is very big in the us, and ufc is the promised land to white high school kids who dont play football.

[jecxbox]

Nobody goes to boxing or buys a ppv boxing for the undercard, ufc may market an event of a full card for its show but thats because its one promoter with a monopoly on the market which is giving its own made up title out. Its paying chump change to its fighters so can afford to put them on one card, who would go to see a main event of Bisping vs Evans, it needs propping up!
Boxing cards are about the main event.

yep

[Beebs]

Mayweather proved he knows how to use his elbows against Hatton. Shrek can hold all he wants, Mayweather can handle it.

He STILL got clinched, one clinch from Sherk equals Floyd spiked on his head and paralyzed.

[kirk]

thing about the whole "real fighting" idea is....mma doesnt allow you to gauge a guys eye out..it doesnt let you bite....or tear skin...alot of the MMA grappling moves would be neutrizied by grabbing the fuckers ear and ripping it off his fucking head when he grabs you..but a right cross cant be neturilized by such means... if your going into your guard in a barfight... your a dumbass.

but i think what they all mean is its a fight with less restrictions then boxing, and that... i guess... somehow... makes it more real? i dont know...

i see what their saying though. both are fighting sports.... one has many more restrictions on it.

but to me, the restrictions are what makes it perfect. the champions fight on their feet with their hands.... usually exhaulting the very qualities i love in a champion, while mma does not. ect, ect. Im not saying mma is worse, but its just not for me....

[jecxbox]

first of all on the streets, you don't know if a guy is a boxer or a wrestler. So if your first instincts is to taste another mans skills toe to toe boxing..If you have that horrible luck in running into a real boxer you're probably going to get knocked the fuck out, countered, fuckin owned within 10 seconds of standing on your feet. Boxers have iron chins in comparison to most MMA fighters it is not even close. I see guys in MMA getting sent on queer street with a mofucking jab. And yeah i know wrestling may tire you out but those guys have piss poor stamina. Boxers are serious fucking athletes, and I'd equate a 12 round war to a triathlon over an MMA fight to a triathlon. ( in the sense of endurance not dimensions of styles)

[Dostoevsky]

Sherk would choke Floyd out within 1.
BJ would snap one of Floyds precious little arms within one.

[kirk]

He STILL got clinched, one clinch from Sherk equals Floyd spiked on his head and paralyzed. and if sherk tried to punch with floyd he would get ktfo...

whats the point exactly?

[Beebs]

and if sherk tried to punch with floyd he would get ktfo...

whats the point exactly?

Sherks been kneed square on the jaw harder than any punch PBF has ever thrown, kept on going.

[kirk]

Sherk would choke Floyd out within 1.
BJ would snap one of Floyds precious little arms within one.

And if sherk tried to fight floyd with his fists hed get stopped
BJ


also... maybe sherk should get off the juice first

[Koa]

Like that fight someone posted a few weeks ago, right?

Oh, forgot, Frye was drunk. Convenient.

Anyways, none of this matters.

The point of the thread is that boxing finished up the year solidly as the best fight sport, and all the dumbass MMA fans who said it was down for the count can now wander off... Lidell is done, Hughes was beat, GSP was beat, and Sherk got busted doing what we all knew he was doing.

Boxing > MMA.

Yeah? Tell that to a prime, undefeated Fernando Vargas, got choked out and thrown around like a play toy, by an amateur MMA fighter.

[kirk]

Sherks been kneed square on the jaw harder than any punch PBF has ever thrown, kept on going. so? mayweather isnt about hitting you hard, hes about accumalitive damage.... are you trying to tell me that if sherk tried to fight mayweather with his fists, he would go the distance? he would get pummeled so bad after a few rounds that no ref would let it continue....

[Koa]

Sherk would take Mayweather to the ground and bash his head into the pavement.. Err.. In a real fight, the ground is a weapon too.

[kirk]

Yeah? Tell that to a prime, undefeated Fernando Vargas, got choked out and thrown around like a play toy, by an amateur MMA fighter. the guy is pro, vargas was completely drunk, and the guy outweighed vargas by 100lbs Koa. unless your talking about a differant incident.

[Koa]

the guy is pro, vargas was completely drunk, and the guy outweighed vargas by 100lbs Koa. unless your talking about a differant incident.

Oh, how convenient. He was drunk :patsch

Just like Frye was. :!:

The comparisons are pretty lame. I'm just sticking up for MMA as a fan of both..

Think about it.. Boxers fight with their hands only. You are using two extremeties.. Kickboxing, you use hands and feet.. Thai boxing, you use hands, feet, elbows, knees.. MMA you use it all..

Logic should tell you.. The person who can use the most weapons, use his whole body as a weapon should be the better fighter.

[kirk]

Oh, how convenient. He was drunk :patsch


call it what you want, he was. its no secret that vargas is a heavy drinker....


Think about it.. Boxers fight with their hands only. You are using two extremeties.. Kickboxing, you use hands and feet.. Thai boxing, you use hands, feet, elbows, knees.. MMA you use it all..




Logic should tell you.. The person who can use the most weapons, use his whole body as a weapon should be the better fighter.

but in reality it doesnt work like that m'man...

the pure fact that mma DOES use it all, usually means they arent as good in any of the areas as are the specialists.

to me, mma is like the army.... boxing is the special forces. they are the specialists at what they do. thai boxers are the specialists at what they do, wrestlers are the specialists at what they do.

ufc is where the people try to throw it all together and make it work... and they do... GSP is badass and i like him a lot, fedors amazing, i loved vitor belfort back in the 90s....

also, i like in boxing where two champions stand toe to toe in some cases, inside fighting like the world has never seen..... bringing to the forefront the very qualities that inspire me such as heart, will, spirit, chin, power, quick subtle adjustments.... its beautiful brutality and showing what a true warrior is... ala MAB vs Morales, Vasquez vs Marquez...

And as good as say... Frank vs Tito. Hughes vs Newton, ect, ect is technically, and Griffin vs Bonar i think was his name was action wise.... to me it just doesnt amount to a great boxing match, and like i said... better fighters? through my experiances it just doesnt work like that.... i was in mma way before boxing, since middle school.... and through my experiances with the mma gyms ive gone to and the boxing gyms ive gone too... mma guys are not better fighters just because their skill range varies broader then a boxers.

[kirk]

and when it comes down to it.... all these are pure opinions. nobody is ever going to change the other persons minds on these issues... i wish we could just ignore them.

[Dostoevsky]

So do I kirk, it just pisses some of us off, when some insecure boxing fan with an inferiority complex makes a lame thread attacking MMA for some random reason. This seems to happen every month on these boards.

Why people can't like both, I don't know.

[Illstate]

Real fighting is real fighting, boxing is boxing.

How you can not like REAL fighting is beyond me, I love boxing, but its one piece of a puzzle.

No swimmer is winning a triathialon.MMA was cool when it was what it started out as. If that's your thing I mean, but to me it's unsophisticated fighting not a sport. Boxing is a refined sport evolved over the ages, and it is down to a science now.
maybe MMA will continute to evolve, and one day be worth watching.

[Boinko]

I always laugh that so many guys on this board get pissed when people start talking about MMA in the boxing forum section, yet they often end up starting these hate threads where...you guessed it...everyone starts talking about MMA.

How about just ignoring it if you don't like. I hate basketball, but I don't feel compelled to talk shit about it. I don't care enough about it to go around and tell people it sucks. And if someone likes basketball, then more power to em. I don't get it, but so what.

And if UFC is competing for boxing dollars, I say good. It'll keep pushing the boxing world to make great matchups like we've seen recently. Nothing wrong with a little healthy competition.

[radianttwilight]

Whoever said Mayweather would beat Sherk in an MMA fight is a dumbass.

First of all, there's the fact that Sherk walks around at 170ish lbs.

Second of all, Mayweather's pussy little "elbow in the face" from the Hatton fight won't do anything but set him up for a shoot that paralyzes him from the waist down.

Sherk has taken flush knees to the jaw and soldiered right on through them. There's no way Mayweather hurts him before he gets crippled.

NOBODY can backpedal from a guy trying to bullrush them. Nobody. Not even Mayrunner.

[lyraus]

the absolute most fitting part of the whole thing was when they showed Hughes sitting ringside after the last fight and he was watching a monitor...you could clearly see what he was watching....that's right, he was watching the Mayweather/Hatton fight! lmao I couldn't even make that up. Was hilarious.

HBO boxing destroyed the UFC this year, and by all accounts 2008 will be even bigger. But dont' fret UFC fans, you always had 2006.

[cardstars]

Thes discussions annoy me. They always pop up when I am with friends and watching boxing too (like last night when I ordered the undefeated fight). The only thing that I can say is that 90% of ufc fans are complete morons. I'm really sorry but its true. I had one guy trying to tell me that a ufc fighter would get beat by a boxer in the boxing ring, but that the ufc fighter would win if it was bareknuckle boxing.....yeh :huh followed by :patsch
Then he justified it by saying that ufc fighters hit harder than boxers. Once again :patsch
This is just one example that happened yesterday......I could give 50 more with some being much worse. Its almost like ufc fans are the retards of the fan world. I have nothing against the sport, I love contact sports, but seriously ufc fans really need to brighten up a bit

[lyraus]

also, if you even bring up boxing around a UFC fan, they feel the need to tell you how a boxer would do in the UFC, like that is somehow relevant. It gets annoying. If boxers really cared about how well they'd do in the UFC, they'd train for that and do it. Pretty simple concept really. I'm sure Mayweather doesn't lose sleep at night, knowing he made $50 million this year while Sean Sherk made about $50 000 and is now sitting on the shelf because he's a cheater to boot. Ask yourself, which guy in that equation wishes he was the other? One guy is a no-name. The other is now one of the most famous athletes in the world.

[Boinko]

also, if you even bring up boxing around a UFC fan, they feel the need to tell you how a boxer would do in the UFC, like that is somehow relevant.

Which is just as annoying as some boxing fans who feel compelled to tell UFC fans that their fighters wouldn't stand a chance against a boxer in a boxing match.

[jecxbox]

also, if you even bring up boxing around a UFC fan, they feel the need to tell you how a boxer would do in the UFC, like that is somehow relevant. It gets annoying. If boxers really cared about how well they'd do in the UFC, they'd train for that and do it. Pretty simple concept really. I'm sure Mayweather doesn't lose sleep at night, knowing he made $50 million this year while Sean Sherk made about $50 000 and is now sitting on the shelf because he's a cheater to boot. Ask yourself, which guy in that equation wishes he was the other? One guy is a no-name. The other is now one of the most famous athletes in the world.

Agreed. UFC has a long way to go.

[demzor]

I watched both last night.

The free UFC card was much more entertaining.

If you have an open mind.. check out the UFC main event from last night
Roger Huerta vs Clay Guida
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It was really good.

If youre a fan of boxing you should be happy the UFC came along. It gave the sport a good kick in the ass.

[acb]

So do I kirk, it just pisses some of us off, when some insecure boxing fan with an inferiority complex makes a lame thread attacking MMA for some random reason.

No inferiority complex here. Just proud of boxing's status as of now, and it seems a few of you cant deal with it.

When MMA was dominating boxing, I said as much and none of you MMA fans seemed to mind much.

Now boxing has made a comeback and its an issue for you if I say so.

[chimba]

No inferiority complex here. Just proud of boxing's status as of now, and it seems a few of you cant deal with it.

When MMA was dominating boxing, I said as much and none of you MMA fans seemed to mind much.

Now boxing has made a comeback and its an issue for you if I say so.

Hey Abc did Gavilan invented the Bolo punch??

[acb]

Hey Abc did Gavilan invented the Bolo punch??

Absolutely. The Cuban version of it. :smoke

[chimba]

Absolutely. The Cuban version of it. :smoke

:lol: Good thread! Matt Hughes shall be paying you a visit pretty soon...He wants you in missionary

[Boinko]

No inferiority complex here. Just proud of boxing's status as of now, and it seems a few of you cant deal with it.

When MMA was dominating boxing, I said as much and none of you MMA fans seemed to mind much.

Now boxing has made a comeback and its an issue for you if I say so.
It's a great that boxing has made a comeback and delivered some great bouts. But, sports have ebbs and flows in popularity. It's possible that down the road boxing could have a bad year and UFC could have a great one.
If both sports excel, I think it's a good thing. If UFC died and boxing felt like it didn't have to deliver as many good fights because the heat was off then that would be a bad thing.

Time will tell what happens to UFC. Obviously boxing isn't going anywhere, but I don't think UFC is either.

[acb]

:lol: Good thread! Matt Hughes shall be paying you a visit pretty soon...He wants you in missionary

:lol::patsch

[Gio Rez]

Whoever said Mayweather would beat Sherk in an MMA fight is a dumbass.

First of all, there's the fact that Sherk walks around at 170ish lbs.

Second of all, Mayweather's pussy little "elbow in the face" from the Hatton fight won't do anything but set him up for a shoot that paralyzes him from the waist down.

Sherk has taken flush knees to the jaw and soldiered right on through them. There's no way Mayweather hurts him before he gets crippled.

NOBODY can backpedal from a guy trying to bullrush them. Nobody. Not even Mayrunner.

I'd like to see him take a flush left hook to the temple and see him walk through it. :lol:

[acb]

I'd like to see him take a flush left hook to the temple and see walks through it. :lol:

This guy was a roid freak too. And MMA fans talk him up and talk about how he would walk through anything without mentioning this.

[acb]

It's a great that boxing has made a comeback and delivered some great bouts. But, sports have ebbs and flows in popularity. It's possible that down the road boxing could have a bad year and UFC could have a great one.
If both sports excel, I think it's a good thing. If UFC died and boxing felt like it didn't have to deliver as many good fights because the heat was off then that would be a bad thing.

Time will tell what happens to UFC. Obviously boxing isn't going anywhere, but I don't think UFC is either.

Good post.

[Boinko]

I'd like to see him take a flush left hook to the temple and see walks through it. :lol:

It's unlikely Mayweather would even have a chance to land a flush left hook to the head. He'd likely be taken down before he had a chance to land on Sherk.
But, it's a dumb comparison anyways since Mayweather is not an MMA fighter.

[Symphenyceo]

Your tenure as the top fight sport was short, wasnt it?

Hope you enjoyed it for the two weeks that it lasted. :smoke

Sincerely,

Boxing
-Best fight sport, ever


P.S. Hows that Fedor aquisition coming? :hey

:good

[Gio Rez]

It's unlikely Mayweather would even have a chance to land a flush left hook to the head. He'd likely be taken down before he had a chance to land on Sherk.
But, it's a dumb comparison anyways since Mayweather is not an MMA fighter.

Who's to say whats likely and what is not?

Are you telling me his takedown is faster than Floyds punches?:lol:

[Boinko]

Who's to say whats likely and what is not?

Are you telling me his takedown is faster than Floyds punches?:lol:

Have you watched much MMA? I think it's way more likely that Sherk takes Mayweather down first.
Of course, it's possible Floyd could land something substantial before that happens, but from what I've seen in most MMA fights (and especially in Sean Sherk fights), taking down someone is much easier than landing a big, fight ending blow.
The story might be different if Sherk actually chose to stand and fight with PBF, but he wouldn't. He would go for a takedown immediately, and it's highly unlikely Mayweather would be skillfull enough to avoid it.

[Gio Rez]

Have you watched much MMA? I think it's way more likely that Sherk takes Mayweather down first.
Of course, it's possible Floyd could land something substantial before that happens, but from what I've seen in most MMA fights (and especially in Sean Sherk fights), taking down someone is much easier than landing a big, fight ending blow.
The story might be different if Sherk actually chose to stand and fight with PBF, but he wouldn't. He would go for a takedown immediately, and it's highly unlikely Mayweather would be skillfull enough to avoid it.

Yes I do, just because Im a boxing fan does not mean I do not watch MMA or know what the hell is going on.

Simple question, what is faster; Sherk takedowns or Floyds snappy hooks or lead right hands?

Im not going to get into speculation about who would win and how, simply because its JUST speculation and pointless opinion.

[Wige247]

Real fighting is real fighting, boxing is boxing.

How you can not like REAL fighting is beyond me, I love boxing, but its one piece of a puzzle.

No swimmer is winning a triathialon.

There needs to be a thread for best metaphors b/c that encompasses the whole mma/boxer debate...and this is exactly where I stand on the issue.

[Boinko]

Yes I do, just because Im a boxing fan does not mean I do not watch MMA or know what the hell is going on.

Simple question, what is faster; Sherk takedowns or Floyds snappy hooks or lead right hands?
Sherk's takedowns. Faster because having a fast left hook does you little good if someone is bearing down on you intent on taking you down. It's very likely you won't land it no matter how fast it is.

Im not going to get into speculation about who would win and how, simply because its JUST speculation and pointless opinion.

If you said you wouldn't speculate on whether or not Mayweather would win or lose if him and Sherk met in boxing match because it would be pointless opinion, most people would laugh at you.
Well, to be honest, I think Mayweather has only a slightly better chance in an MMA bout against Sherk as Sherk has in a boxing match against Mayweather. (i.e. Sherk has zero chance in a boxing match, Floyd has almost zero chance in an MMA fight) That's just my opinion based on my experience watching both fighters and both sports.
But, if you don't want to speculate for fear that it would be just a pointless opinion that's fine. I'm not insisting that you do.

[Gio Rez]

Sherk's takedowns. Faster because having a fast left hook does you little good if someone is bearing down on you intent on taking you down. It's very likely you won't land it no matter how fast it is.



If you said you wouldn't speculate on whether or not Mayweather would win or lose if him and Sherk met in boxing match because it would be pointless opinion, most people would laugh at you.
Well, to be honest, I think Mayweather has only a slightly better chance in an MMA bout against Sherk as Sherk has in a boxing match against Mayweather. (i.e. Sherk has zero chance in a boxing match, Floyd has almost zero chance in an MMA fight) That's just my opinion based on my experience watching both fighters and both sports.
But, if you don't want to speculate for fear that it would be just a pointless opinion that's fine. I'm not insisting that you do.

What do you know about left hooks and have you ever been caught by one? Rushing in or "bearing" in on one would make the impact much more devestating.

Your opinion on what would happen means shit. You are an arm-chair quarterback.

[Maxime]

I just can't get into a sport where the belts are owned by the promoters. It is an absolute joke and I can not believe people put up with this shit. Can you imagine if we had a GBP Champion and a DKP champion and only fighters who are signed with these promoters could fight for these "titles".

It would be a joke and that is what MMA is.

ABC sanctioning bodies are far from perfect but at least they are somewhat independent.

[Dostoevsky]

I just can't get into a sport where the belts are owned by the promoters. It is an absolute joke and I can not believe people put up with this shit. Can you imagine if we had a GBP Champion and a DKP champion and only fighters who are signed with these promoters could fight for these "titles".

It would be a joke and that is what MMA is.


Thats exactly how the NFL operates and how the NBA operates and how the NHL operates.
Do NFL teams play for the American Football superbowl? No! They play for the NFL's superbowl. Other American football organizations play for their other version of the 'grand prize'.

Are they jokes? Yes? I don't think so.
The problem is trying to get an MMA organization as powerful as those other sport organizations to have conformity and not have the sport so broken up.
MMA is still a new sport and will continue to grow and evolve, things aren't perfect but what is.

MMA is here to STAY.

[SugarShane_24]

In both real fighting and boxing, men are tested to the core because they really get their brains beaten as long as the fight lasted and they keep getting up unless they really got hit by a great puncher.


MMA fighters get stopped immediately whenever they got downed by a clean haymaker.


What a joke.

[codeman99998]

What do you know about left hooks and have you ever been caught by one? Rushing in or "bearing" in on one would make the impact much more devestating.

Your opinion on what would happen means shit. You are an arm-chair quarterback.I do know that Floyd very rarely trains at hitting people at his knee level...

Have you ever seen a great wrestler shoot for a takedown? He isnt exactly eye to eye with his opponent when he does it.

[Beebs]

In both real fighting and boxing, men are tested to the core because they really get their brains beaten as long as the fight lasted and they keep getting up unless they really got hit by a great puncher.


MMA fighters get stopped immediately whenever they got downed by a clean haymaker.


What a joke.
Thats because in boxing you cant jump on a downed opponent and beat his unconscious body. Shooto, a Japanese promotion has an 8 count, it takes away from the sport.If boxers could keep punching a downed opponent they would stop it damn near any time a fighter got dropped.

[nevillehater]

In both real fighting and boxing, men are tested to the core because they really get their brains beaten as long as the fight lasted and they keep getting up unless they really got hit by a great puncher.



Go check out the Guida-Huerta fight, pal, and get back to me.

Also, go hang out with Duk Koo Kim's family a bit before you make comments like this.

You are probably one of those fans who boos a fighter being taken off on a stretcher.

[demzor]

Sherk/Mayweather would look a lot like this..
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You can't run all night though.

Call him a roid monkey or whatever all you want... but in mma.. theres no chance Floyd beats Sherk. None.

[K0NPHL1C7]

Shut the fuck up.

UFC had an event that aired right before the boxing ppv, had much more action, A GREAT UNDERCARD, and was free and as such probably got more viewers, and anybody who saw that card became a fan.

Watch both, idiot.

I had a T.V. set up with the UFC on it, and I must say I couldn't pay any attention to it at all.

[SweetScience]

I've never seen a street fight end on the ground. So for those who say that MMA is like real fighting, then they are fucking dead wrong. Plus the vids that you MMA fanboys showed us were of MMA fighters beating up boxers were fights under MMA rules. It would have been the same if an MMA fighter stepped into the boxing ring and the boxer whooped his ass. In a street fight, it could be a toss out between the two. Show us a vid of a boxer and a MMA fighter in a streetfight and not in a sport

[justdatruth]

MMA fighter beats boxer under MMA rules, genius.

Boxer beats MMA fighter under boxing rules, no shit sherlock.

Id give a boxer a much better chance at winning on the 'other guys turf' than vice versa though

This is one of the funniest threads ever ... that is all

[Zakman]

Exciting is subjective, better for real world is objective.

I dont care if you dont find mma more exciting, its still the more realistic fight sport.

BOTH are subjective. What is NOT subjective, however, is that this is East Side BOXING, where the focus is BOXING, not UFC. It should be no suprise on a BOXING site, that fans favor this sport and support it in favor of that WWF-like poser "sport." :nod

[INFIGHT]

MMA is as close as you can get to real fighting without getting arrested. You might not like MMA, but it is the purest expression of fighting you can get away with.

Actually, right now if you join the U.S. Army as an infantryman you might find a purer expression of fighting. One that has been with us since man walked upright. No jail time either, so long as you can follow orders.

[demzor]

MMA = Man on Man Action, Can you imagine people like Chavez, SRL, SRR wanting to tug and grab on the floor? I think Not

But could they stop a man from doing it to them? :p

[InHumanForm]

all i know is even UFC fans start to boo when the guys are just laying on each other on the mat. And guess what happens when they stand them up to fight? MORE ACTION. The only times I enjoy UFC are when they stand and trade in a style very similar to.......oh ya, boxing.

[demzor]

all i know is even UFC fans start to boo when the guys are just laying on each other on the mat. And guess what happens when they stand them up to fight? MORE ACTION. The only times I enjoy UFC are when they stand and trade in a style very similar to.......oh ya, boxing.

They don't boo when they hit the mat... they boo when theyre inactive on the mat. Just the same as two guys standing who arent being active.

Don't act like there isnt boring standup.

[ralphc]

Sherk/Mayweather would look a lot like this..
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You can't run all night though.

Call him a roid monkey or whatever all you want... but in mma.. theres no chance Floyd beats Sherk. None.

Observe carefully, the fellow running is not avoiding the takedown properly nor is he doing it quickly. Mayweather would simply take a quick step back then throw a knee in Shrek's face. Should be ovbvious to anybody that Shrek is wide open to a knee strike if his opponent is clever enough to do it.


Another thing I could mention is that the fellow avoiding the takedown lacks the presense of mind to know where he is relative to the boundaries of the cage. How often have you seen Mayweather accidently bump into the ropes? Although I have not seen all of Chuck Liddel's fights, but I would guess that he rarely runs into the side of the cage.

[InHumanForm]

They don't boo when they hit the mat... they boo when theyre inactive on the mat. Just the same as two guys standing who arent being active.

Don't act like there isnt boring standup.

well ya there is boring standup, but more to my point is that the MMA fights that are usually exciting to me and my buds are ones where they spend way less time on the ground and more time standing and throwing. Sure, some of the wrestling stuff can be alright if you have really skilled people in there who know what they're doing, but more often then not I find the ground game to be pretty lame. The more I think about it, the more it seems that the fans cheer when two fighters are made to stand up, regardless of how good/mediocre the ground fight was. People want to see people slug it out and so that is why I prefer boxing.

[demzor]

Observe carefully, the fellow running is not avoiding the takedown properly nor is he doing it quickly. Mayweather would simply take a quick step back then throw a knee in Shrek's face. Should be ovbvious to anybody that Shrek is wide open to a knee strike if his opponent is clever enough to do it.
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Mayweather going to hit him harder than that?

Sherk recovered almost instantly.


And saying youre gonna knee someone in the face and not get taken down is a lot easier said than done.
Eventually Sherk will have his hands on you.. and you will be taking a ride.

[Zakman]

all i know is even UFC fans start to boo when the guys are just laying on each other on the mat. And guess what happens when they stand them up to fight? MORE ACTION. The only times I enjoy UFC are when they stand and trade in a style very similar to.......oh ya, boxing.

Exactly. I can't for the life of me understand why ANYONE would find that rolling around on the ground shit entertaining. And it seems like most don't. Like you say, UFC entertains only when they actually trade punches and FIGHT!!:yep

[ralphc]

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Mayweather going to hit him harder than that?

Sherk recovered almost instantly.


And saying youre gonna knee someone in the face and not get taken down is a lot easier said than done.
Eventually Sherk will have his hands on you.. and you will be taking a ride.


I was amazed that Mayweather could beat Hatton at his own game. Men who have extraordinary talent can do extraordinary things. Mayweather is not a power puncher, but he got the KO. There is nothing special about Shrek.

[demzor]

I was amazed that Mayweather could beat Hatton at his own game. Men who have extraordinary talent can do extraordinary things. Mayweather is not a power puncher, but he got the KO. There is nothing special about Shrek.
just stop saying stupid shit.
Sean Sherk is an animal. He's gigantic for 155. People with takedown defense can't stop his takedown. Floyd fucking Mayweather aint gonna do it.


If Sherk can CLINCH with Mayweather.. its done.
Thats all it takes. There's no ref to save you. Sherk will push him up against the cage.. and theres nowhere to go.

People act like boxers have some magic touch.. when they get their gloves on you that it.. youre knocked out.
Sorry guys.. thats your fantasy.. that isnt real life. Sherk can take a punch to get the clinch.




For the record.. this is why MMA fans get annoyed by delusional boxing fans.
MMA fans have no delusions about a MMA fighter going into boxing and dominating.
Boxing fans like to think that a boxer would dominate the UFC.

[doublesuited]

Sherk's a fucking juicehead.

[ralphc]

just stop saying stupid shit.
Sean Sherk is an animal. He's gigantic for 155. People with takedown defense can't stop his takedown. Floyd fucking Mayweather aint gonna do it.


If Sherk can CLINCH with Mayweather.. its done.
Thats all it takes. There's no ref to save you. Sherk will push him up against the cage.. and theres nowhere to go.

People act like boxers have some magic touch.. when they get their gloves on you that it.. youre knocked out.
Sorry guys.. thats your fantasy.. that isnt real life. Sherk can take a punch to get the clinch.




For the record.. this is why MMA fans get annoyed by delusional boxing fans.
MMA fans have no delusions about a MMA fighter going into boxing and dominating.
Boxing fans like to think that a boxer would dominate the UFC.


There is no ref to save Shrek from Mayweather's elbows and knees. Mayweather has already proven he can use his elbows, I am willing to bet he can use his knees.

After you get your eyesight checked and new glasses, you will notice that Hatton is obviously faster than Shrek, and Mayweather completely outclassed Hatton in the speed department. 155 pounds of slow, useless muscle won't do Shrek a bit of good against Mayweather.

[ralphc]

Sherk's a fucking juicehead.


So, let him juice. Who the fuck cares? He is still mediiocre.

[demzor]

lol
those muay thai elbows and knees from Mayweather.
What a joke.

[Shareef]

Sherk is way bigger than mayweather its not fair in terms of natural size. I would like to see Sherk take a punch from julian jackson with 4oz gloves lol.


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[fightfanatic1]

this is too easy and although i didn't read the whole thread i read more than half and keep hearing how UFC is real fighting or closer to real fighting. That is just sooooo wrong. Both are sports and have rules. If anyone think UFC is real fighting or even close to real fighting, explain this. (Taken from ufc.com)

Fouls: [Top] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
1. Butting with the head.
2. Eye gouging of any kind.
3. Biting.
4. Hair pulling.
5. Fish hooking.
6. Groin attacks of any kind.
7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
8. Small joint manipulation.
9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
13. Grabbing the clavicle.
14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
21. Spitting at an opponent.
22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
23. Holding the ropes or the fence.
24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
25. Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
26. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
28. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
30. Interference by the corner.
31. Throwing in the towel during competition.


ya. that looks like real fighting rules. :roll:

[ralphc]

this is too easy and although i didn't read the whole thread i read more than half and keep hearing how UFC is real fighting or closer to real fighting. That is just sooooo wrong. Both are sports and have rules. If anyone think UFC is real fighting or even close to real fighting, explain this. (Taken from ufc.com)

Fouls: [Top] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
1. Butting with the head.
2. Eye gouging of any kind.
3. Biting.
4. Hair pulling.
5. Fish hooking.
6. Groin attacks of any kind.
7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
8. Small joint manipulation.
9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
13. Grabbing the clavicle.
14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
21. Spitting at an opponent.
22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
23. Holding the ropes or the fence.
24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
25. Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
26. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
28. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
30. Interference by the corner.
31. Throwing in the towel during competition.


ya. that looks like real fighting rules. :roll:



If indeed those are the rules, then it is plain as day that the rules are NOT enforced. I have watched mma/ufc many times over the years and I have seen nearly every one of the rules that you have listed broken several times during the course of a fight. On only two occasions do I recall the ref warning somebody. This is clearly more evidence that mma/ufc is a fraud.

[demzor]

If indeed those are the rules, then it is plain as day that the rules are NOT enforced. I have watched mma/ufc many times over the years and I have seen nearly every one of the rules that you have listed broken several times during the course of a fight. On only two occasions do I recall the ref warning somebody. This is clearly more evidence that mma/ufc is a fraud.


Those rules are indeed enforced.
Which rule do you see being broken all the time?

[scurlaruntings]

Ok the thread starter did make some valid points.But why are the MMA fanboys on here (not including myself of course) baying to this stupid arguement again?

[scurlaruntings]

just stop saying stupid shit.
Sean Sherk is an animal. He's gigantic for 155. People with takedown defense can't stop his takedown. Floyd fucking Mayweather aint gonna do it.


If Sherk can CLINCH with Mayweather.. its done.
Thats all it takes. There's no ref to save you. Sherk will push him up against the cage.. and theres nowhere to go.

People act like boxers have some magic touch.. when they get their gloves on you that it.. youre knocked out.
Sorry guys.. thats your fantasy.. that isnt real life. Sherk can take a punch to get the clinch.




For the record.. this is why MMA fans get annoyed by delusional boxing fans.
MMA fans have no delusions about a MMA fighter going into boxing and dominating.
Boxing fans like to think that a boxer would dominate the UFC.Demzor its not rocket science.In a boxing match Sherk gets owned.In MMA Floyd gets owned.There is no dispute in this there diffrent rules diffrent skill sets.Anyway Sherk is a 180lb guy who boils down to make 55.His also on steroids..So why the comparisons with Floyd?:think

[coffeehunk]

Don Frye is an old drunk, Sonny is an Old nobody, hardly the best representatives.

MMA is more popular now than it has ever been, your argument is fucking stupid. The UFC is in negotiations with CBS to put on a show.

Love it or hate it, MMA will always be the purest form of fighting going.


MMA is only popular in the united states..personalites in boxing are more popular than in MMA fighters.And all countries in the whole world has a represenatavive in boxing.:deal

[kirk]

just stop saying stupid shit.
Sean Sherk is an animal. He's gigantic for 155. People with takedown defense can't stop his takedown. Floyd fucking Mayweather aint gonna do it.


If Sherk can CLINCH with Mayweather.. its done.
Thats all it takes. There's no ref to save you. Sherk will push him up against the cage.. and theres nowhere to go.

People act like boxers have some magic touch.. when they get their gloves on you that it.. youre knocked out.
Sorry guys.. thats your fantasy.. that isnt real life. Sherk can take a punch to get the clinch.




For the record.. this is why MMA fans get annoyed by delusional boxing fans.
MMA fans have no delusions about a MMA fighter going into boxing and dominating.
Boxing fans like to think that a boxer would dominate the UFC.

that because ufc champions get knocked out all the time by strikers not on boxing champions league...

liddel, couture, tito, ken shamrock, ect, ect

all have been knocked out or dominated with strikes.... from lesser strikers then say a mormeck, haye, pavlik, cintron ect.

boxing fans hate how mma fans think that no boxer in the world would know how to fucking grapple. do you not think these guys get into other fights at all?

give most boxing champions 6 months intense grappling practise and i garuntee you they would have a good base on to which to work with.


i hate these discussion though im outta here

[kirk]

MMA is only popular in the united states..personalites in boxing are more popular than in MMA fighters.And all countries in the whole world has a represenatavive in boxing.:deal

no... brazil and japan its huge too.

[scurlaruntings]

MMA is only popular in the united states..personalites in boxing are more popular than in MMA fighters.And all countries in the whole world has a represenatavive in boxing.:dealThats abosolute hogwash.MMA is far bigger in Japan where PRIDE used to rountinely have crowds of around 35-45,000 at there events.Its the home of MMA and massively popular in the East. It also has a huge following in Brazil with the original Vale Tudo schools boasting some of the best talents.At least educate yourself before you make brash assertions like that.

[fightfanatic1]

If indeed those are the rules, then it is plain as day that the rules are NOT enforced. I have watched mma/ufc many times over the years and I have seen nearly every one of the rules that you have listed broken several times during the course of a fight. On only two occasions do I recall the ref warning somebody. This is clearly more evidence that mma/ufc is a fraud.


don't lie to me. I watch MMA and these rules are surely enforced. Fanboys of MMA like to keep saying how real it is. But in truth it's just another sport and like other sports, it has rules.

Now wether or not you like it is up to you, but it is not the #1 sport nor will it be anytime soon. Yes its growing, but it's far from #1.

[ralphc]

don't lie to me. I watch MMA and these rules are surely enforced. Fanboys of MMA like to keep saying how real it is. But in truth it's just another sport and like other sports, it has rules.

Now wether or not you like it is up to you, but it is not the #1 sport nor will it be anytime soon. Yes its growing, but it's far from #1.


My response was to that list of "rules." Personally I think that list is a fiction because violations of that particular list of rules are common.

[codeman99998]

I've never seen a street fight end on the ground. So for those who say that MMA is like real fighting, then they are fucking dead wrong. Plus the vids that you MMA fanboys showed us were of MMA fighters beating up boxers were fights under MMA rules. It would have been the same if an MMA fighter stepped into the boxing ring and the boxer whooped his ass. In a street fight, it could be a toss out between the two. Show us a vid of a boxer and a MMA fighter in a streetfight and not in a sport

You have never seen a streetfight with a world class wrestler, or a judo blackbelt, or a brazilian ju jitsu blackbelt.

Most shitty streetfighters dont know how to fight on the ground, they feel more comfortable on their feet so they tend to keep the fight standing as long as possible...

I mean, seriously, if you box amateurly or whatever, just go visit your local BJJ gym and see what its all about. I am sure they will change your mind about the importance of groundfighting.

[kungfu]

Fking hell!!! Who gives a toss???? This argument is about as gay as some tennis players saying 'squash sucks get some bigger raquets', the sports are vaguely connected yeah because they involve 1 bloke twatting another in some form, but this argument is just picky and childish haha!!!! Personally i watch and have trained a bit in both, mma is the harder sport imo, i boxed quite naturally and you only have to worry about 2 big gloved fists coming towards u, mma however is a world of pain and people dissing it as 2 gays on a mat.........GET DOWN TO YOUR LOCAL MMA GYM and try a session out, see if you have the same attitude after it ,because there is a world of difference in being hit with the different gloves used in each sport!!!!

[jaycuban]

UFC is what you watch when there is no boxing on