**busting the Myth about VK Vs Lewis**

[DoumB]

tired of klitshcko haters and Klitshcko nuthuggers.
At the time of the stoppage,
- Klitshcko was ahead on the 3 scorecards but it was a CLOSE fight

-The cut was caused by the thumb of LL and not the punch itself,

- No one was about to be knocked out in the 7th like some may beleive here

- it was a close fight that ended due to an injury, and in boxing its part of the game so STOP with the excuses

[H .]

Another Lewis/Vitali thread. Love it!

[Guru_Too_You]

tired of klitshcko haters and Klitshcko nuthuggers.
At the time of the stoppage,
- Klitshcko was ahead on the 3 scorecards but it was a CLOSE fight

-The cut was caused by the thumb of LL and not the punch itself,

- No one was about to be knocked out in the 7th like some may beleive here

- it was a close fight that ended due to an injury, and in boxing its part of the game so STOP with the excuses

And will you give credit to the second cut? Or blame that one on a thumb as well?

[Smith]

Lewis was going to knock out Vitali in the 7th no doubt

; }

[1-Ton]

kill me

[unitas]

tired of klitshcko haters and Klitshcko nuthuggers.
At the time of the stoppage,
- Klitshcko was ahead on the 3 scorecards but it was a CLOSE fight

-The cut was caused by the thumb of LL and not the punch itself,

- No one was about to be knocked out in the 7th like some may beleive here

- it was a close fight that ended due to an injury, and in boxing its part of the game so STOP with the excuses

a wise man would have just let it rest:-(

[DonPrestige]

No one was getting knocked out when the fight got stopped, it was a close fight and that is why there should have been a rematch.

[brooklyn1550]

Good post

[DonPrestige]

The funny thing is I thought this was a forum for people to discuss things, so if people have strong opinions and keep talking about it whats the problem. If people have better ideas for threads start one. Damn its better than talking about Holyfield and his comeback.

[kg0208]

Rematch for $40 million or retire - Lewis retires. Speaks volumes.

Ignorance is bliss no?

Lewis already had plenty of money, was talking about retirement for some time, was old, and came in at the highest weight of his career...a tell tell sign a fighter is past it.

Ignorance is bliss....just too bad it only seems to be viewable from one side at a time.

[RUSKULL]

And will you give credit to the second cut? Or blame that one on a thumb as well?

I believe the 2nd cut was caused by a huge uppercut that staggered Vitali. Obviously that's a legit punch so yes it counts.

[RUSKULL]

Lewis was going to knock out Vitali in the 7th no doubt

; }

Bullshit, you can be no more certain that Lewis was going to KO Vitali then the other way around.

[RUSKULL]

God knows it would've been a huge rematch and that's why everyone wanted it except Lewis, who figured he dodged a bullet, and that is his right after all.

[0-1]

Lewis was very canny in not taking the rematch, just as he was in many other aspects of his career, such as when he elected to fight Tyson. He retired just when it seemed likely he would lose, and so was able to retire as champion, having beaten everyone he'd faced, with a great legacy. He probably would have lost the rematch, which would have given boxing a recognised champion, but it would have been at the expense of retiring as a loser. I think he still would have been remembered as a great: no one does down Ali for the fights he lost when he'd gone on much too long, and I think a loss in the rematch would have been recognised as due to age, and a loss to a worthy champion. Then we'd probably be debating forever what would have happened if VK and LL had met when both in their primes...

[Thread Stealer]

Lewis was very canny in not taking the rematch, just as he was in many other aspects of his career, such as when he elected to fight Tyson.


Well that I don't blame Lewis. Tyson is the one who gave up his WBC belt in 1996 to fight Seldon (or was it Holyfield?) instead of Lewis.

[barneyrub]

tired of klitshcko haters and Klitshcko nuthuggers.
At the time of the stoppage,
- Klitshcko was ahead on the 3 scorecards but it was a CLOSE fight

-The cut was caused by the thumb of LL and not the punch itself,

- No one was about to be knocked out in the 7th like some may beleive here

- it was a close fight that ended due to an injury, and in boxing its part of the game so STOP with the excuses
You mean that in your opinion it was the thumb, no camera angle positively confirms that. We can confirm though that it was the punch! You dont know that nobody would get knocke dout in the 7th, again thats just your opinion.

This thread is going to be big, that we do know.

[DoumB]

You mean that in your opinion it was the thumb, no camera angle positively confirms that. We can confirm though that it was the punch! You dont know that nobody would get knocke dout in the 7th, again thats just your opinion.

This thread is going to be big, that we do know.

the first cut was caused by the thumb, go check highlights, the second and less dangerous cut was caaused by LL huge uppercut.

[Goose]

Lewis should have given the man his rematch when it was possible, but now all is lost.

[0-1]

The cheerful perspective:

Lewis should have given the man his rematch when it was possible, but now all is lost.

[Boom_Boom]

The official ending result was Lewis TKO 6

nuff said

[Heavyrighthand]

a rematch everyone wanted it except Lewis, who figured he dodged a bullet, and that is his right after all.
That sums it up, right there.

Lewis planned on three more fights after the Klitschko fight, but after he fought Klitshcko, and realized what he was in with, and that he'd have to rematch him if he continued his career..........he decided it was best to call it a day.

That about sums it up. Lewis wasn't too confident in his ability to beat Vitali in a rematch, so he pulled the plug on his career, turned down $40 million, and went back on his word of giving Klitschko the rematch he said he'd give him.

And that, is what it all amounted to.

[PATSYS]

The myth that has to be busted is that Vitali was so upset of the stoppage.

First of all, his corner already started to put plaster on his cut - a sign that they themselves know the fight will no longer continue (how the hell are you going to continue with a plaster in your face???).

Vitali of course felt the plaster was applied and did not complain himself. He knew the fight is going to be stopped.

But when the ref made the announcement, and the camera zooms in on him, that was the cue for him to make his act. So he started jumping up and down, shouting, "NO, NO, NO, NO, NO...." :patsch :patsch

Hypocrisy at its best. :patsch

[Heavyrighthand]

What does that have to do with why Lewis retired and didn't keep good to his word about givng a rematch?

[smokey]

The myth that has to be busted is that Vitali was so upset of the stoppage.

First of all, his corner already started to put plaster on his cut - a sign that they themselves know the fight will no longer continue (how the hell are you going to continue with a plaster in your face???).

Vitali of course felt the plaster was applied and did not complain himself. He knew the fight is going to be stopped.

But when the ref made the announcement, and the camera zooms in on him, that was the cue for him to make his act. So he started jumping up and down, shouting, "NO, NO, NO, NO, NO...." :patsch :patsch

Hypocrisy at its best. :patsch

That's true. And then he tried to build a legacy on calling Lewis out every chance he could rather than make even ONE mandatory defense of his title.

The guy was a good fighter, but his fans completely overinfalte his ring accomplishments. It's like the fans of the cave man making a big deal about beating Marciano's undefeated streak. The numbers were there, but built on smoke and mirrors.

[Heavyrighthand]

That's true. And then he tried to build a legacy on calling Lewis out every chance he could rather than make even ONE mandatory defense of his title.

The guy was a good fighter, but his fans completely overinfalte his ring accomplishments. It's like the fans of the cave man making a big deal about beating Marciano's undefeated streak. The numbers were there, but built on smoke and mirrors.

Actually, cavemen, such as cro magnon men and neanderthals were of smaller stature than modern man, so your comparison of Valuev to a caveman is unfounded, according to the fossil record.


Unless, of course, you were refering to his heavy brow and substantial body hair, then in that case, your comparison is a good one.

Carry on..........

[Scar]

I totally agree, the fight was close even though I believe Klitschko was winning at that point but it HAD to be stopped or Vitali would be blind today. We all wanted a rematch but it didn't happen so let's move on.

[Heavyrighthand]

I totally agree, the fight was close even though I believe Klitschko was winning at that point but it HAD to be stopped or Vitali would be blind today. We all wanted a rematch but it didn't happen so let's move on.

Not just yet. After the fight's possible ending has been discussed to the point of saturation, we can then discuss which fighter loves his mother the most.......

[smokey]

Actually, cavemen, such as cro magnon men and neanderthals were of smaller stature than modern man, so your comparison of Valuev to a caveman is unfounded, according to the fossil record.


Unless, of course, you were refering to his heavy brow and substantial body hair, then in that case, your comparison is a good one.

Carry on..........

I was speaking in relation to the pop culture depiction of cavemen like in the brilliant 1981 film "Caveman".

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[cuchulain]

Rematch for $40 million or retire - Lewis retires. Speaks volumes.

Ignorance is bliss no?

That was the turning point where their respective careers overlapped. One guy was on way up, the other , down.

Lennox (prime) was better than any version of Vitali. But from that night on , Vitali was top dog.

Bottom line : Lennox won.

[the_what]

The only myth that was busted was that fights can be easily made on only 2 weeks notice. This was a big heavyweight fight that was made only 2 weeks prior.

This should happen in boxing more often.

[o_money]

howmany years has it been there boyz????

[blistering]

I'd like to see some real verification of that $40 million figure. Tyson in his pomp never earned 40 million for a fight, no matter how famous the opponent was.

There's no way Lewis would have gotten paid $40 million to fight a rematch with Vitali.

The max he'd get would be 20 million I'd say, and that's a stretch too.

[smokey]

I'd like to see some real verification of that $40 million figure. Tyson in his pomp never earned 40 million for a fight, no matter how famous the opponent was.

There's no way Lewis would have gotten paid $40 million to fight a rematch with Vitali.

The max he'd get would be 20 million I'd say, and that's a stretch too.

I think the Klitschko's fan club took up donations from members to put the purse together. They made up what they were short selling Vitali buttons, autographed sweaty towels, and a silcone molded replica of his penis.

:p

[carras]

Lewis tko 6

[Drexl]

tired of klitshcko haters and Klitshcko nuthuggers.
At the time of the stoppage,
- Klitshcko was ahead on the 3 scorecards but it was a CLOSE fight

-The cut was caused by the thumb of LL and not the punch itself,

- No one was about to be knocked out in the 7th like some may beleive here

- it was a close fight that ended due to an injury, and in boxing its part of the game so STOP with the excuses


Watch it again.

The cut was caused by the punch.

[DonPrestige]

I wouldnt say vitali has moved on since just after he announced he was coming back he challenged Lewis to do the same so they could get it on again.

[PATSYS]

One thing that bothers me though..

If Vitali won that event, why is he acting like a loser talking about Lewis in every chance he could? :huh

I don't get it.