Rewatching the fight...It closer than i originally thought.

[Phanekim]

Round 1 - I had hatton winning it until pbf landed a few good shots in last 20 seconds of round.
10-9 Mayweather.

Round 2 - I had hatton. Both landed good shots, I thought Hatton dictated pace and his shots were more effective.
10-9 Hatton

Round 3 - Clear Mayweather
10-9 Mayweather

Round 4 - Clear Mayweather
10-9 Mayweather

ROund 5 - Clear Hatton
10-9 Hatton

Round 6 - I had Hatton landing some good shots to begin round and actually hurt PBF. On the deduction sequence, I had PBF hanging on to Hatton's glove after getting 2-3 good shots. You can make case Cortez shoulda been in there faster. However, Cortez had warned them both several times during fight.

Concluding Notes

* After this, I saw Hatton break down fundamentally. It turned into Corrales-Mayweather all over again.

* I thought Cortez did a decent job. I thought he was for the most part fair, but it woulda made a more balanced exciting fight if he didn't break some sequences.

* I wouldn't have taken a point off (for me one last stern warning) because Mayweather turned his back because he was grabbing hatton's glove. But i certainly understand what cortez was doing. I have pausing and slow motion, he doesn't.

* Hatton's power was decent but not too good at WW.

* Hatton did a great job of cutting the ring and his footwork was exemplary

* I thought Hatton could have been slightly less predictable (right after breaks), I saw PBF time some great shots...

* I felt the momentum was changing until the deduction, I basically had 3-2 Mayweather with Hatton winning the 6th and a PBF slowing down with it turning into a Hatton like fight.

I thought the fight was very much closer than numbers or anybody tells you. That huge momentum shift in a sense cost Hatton 3 rounds (points). Not to take anything away from PBF, who is insanely skilled and deserved, but anyone who thinks Hatton sucks or will lose to anyone at 140 is sorta crazy.

PS, i watched original fight on ******* and have now d/led it and watched each round very closely.

[Symphenyceo]

hatton only won rd 5

[Symphenyceo]

where did you download the fight from??

[kel]

hatton only won rd 5


I just give him the first as well.....................but it can be argued the last 20secs Mayweather may have stole it.

[Marc]

Watched the fight 3 times already, gave Ricky 2 rounds everytime.

And Harold Lederman is still on crack. WHy he gave the 1st round to Hatton is beyond me.

[Symphenyceo]

Watched the fight 3 times already, gave Ricky 2 rounds everytime.

And Harold Lederman is still on crack. WHy he gave the 1st round to Hatton is beyond me.

because mayweather stumbled...lederman is shot though

[Illmatic]

I remember having it 6-3. If I remember correctly, Floyd opened up in round 6 with some great shots and I believe had Hatton hurt badly. Then the next round, Floyd fell into Hatton's gameplan and I remember him winning that one.

[theunderdog]

where did you download the fight from??

we can't post full fight downloads here. you could be banned for that shit.:good

[grayggr]

I was drunk at the time and had Floyd for a clear UD before the stoppage. However it was not a one sided affair, some rounds being close, and Hatton certainly dictated the pace, as he normally does, but his punches were ineffectual. His footwork was excellent and always is, and he did stalk PBF. PBF was just too accurate when he landed and his defense too good. All of which we knew before the fight.

[Symphenyceo]

we can't post full fight downloads here. you could be banned for that shit.:good

:lol: :good

[Symphenyceo]

hatton won 2 rds at best...his aggression was ineffective..and he wasnt landing clean...i couldnt score that shit for him...i only gave him the 5th..he got beat in every other rd

[Hrak]

I watched the fight yesterday and scored it 87-84, 6 rounds to floyd and 3 to Hatton. The round where hatton got a point deduction I scored 10-9, not 10-8.

[Phanekim]

Since I am OP here are some responses....

* Lederman's scorecard is wacked. I haven't understood his scoring for a while now.

* I think this fight coulda been quite a fight had cortez not deducted the points going into the final rounds.

* Although very unlikely, Hatton's best chance to beat pbf is a few years from now and hope PBF's desire for attention and his money spending ways catch up to him while his reflexes erode...

[maciek4]

hatton won 2 rds at best...his aggression was ineffective..and he wasnt landing clean...i couldnt score that shit for him...i only gave him the 5th..he got beat in every other rd

I hate posters like that because those people who watched know that the fight was competitive till the point deduction. Those who havent seen the fight after reading crap posts like that will think that Mayweather just danced, smiled and potshoted Hatton for all the rounds. And THEN these posters go on to repeat what they have read to others. And I know that was the same case with DLH, after the fight people were talking about disputable decision, then how close the fight was, then 2-3 months later all we heard was that DLH barely won a round in that fight and Mayweather completly dominated toying with him.

[Hrak]

If you feel Hatton won the round it should be scored 9-9 and not 10-9. (unless you had that round a draw)
No I had it a draw

[Phanekim]

I hate posters like that because those people who watched know that the fight was competitive till the point deduction. Those who havent seen the fight after reading crap posts like that will think that Mayweather just danced, smiled and potshoted Hatton for all the rounds. And THEN these posters go on to repeat what they have read to others. And I know that was the same case with DLH, after the fight people were talking about disputable decision, then how close the fight was, then 2-3 months later all we heard was that DLH barely won a round in that fight and Mayweather completly dominated toying with him.
Thing is we have the benefit of rewatching the fight tape. I can slow it down to actually see if a punch connected...and how cleanly it landed and with how much leverage it had. But after watching it again on quality video instead of *******, my analysis is that mayweather was winning the fight with hatton turning the momentum ...the deduction happened and it turned ugly like corrales-mayweather.

what people don't realize, is the sequence right before the deduction, hatton got a very clean good shot in, very compact and lots of leverage,...followed up by a couple more semi good shots. PBF hangs on to hatton's glove and hatton being aggressive hits him on back of head while trying to free pbf off his left glove.

EDIT: this shot was one of the best shots hatton his all night...it was at 2:14 in the 6th round.....hatton initially comes in...gets tapped by a light jab ...gets close...pbf..extends his elbow to hatton's face...hatton creates some distance...gets his legs under him and throws a compact leveraged right straight into pbf's face which clearly stuns pbf.

[auggiewest]

thought it could of been 3-2 hatton after 5 rds but all the rds were close and could of gone either way. the 8th ws the beginning of the end. hatton was tiring by then and almost ko'd there with similar hook

[djfonti]

* Hatton did a great job of cutting the ring and his footwork was exemplary

I was surprised by this, he didn't seem to have any problems getting to Floyd, which I think may have surprised Floyd a little.

[Phanekim]

thought it could of been 3-2 hatton after 5 rds but all the rds were close and could of gone either way. the 8th ws the beginning of the end. hatton was tiring by then and almost ko'd there with similar hook

i definately thought rounds 1 and 2 were close. I have 1 to pbf do to him getting better shots in at the end. round 2, i thought both fighters landed good punches, but hatton dictated the round and you could even make the case that hatton's punches were better landed. Overall, 2nd round was most even.

[bill poster]

The first rd could be scored either way. The 2nd was definately Hatton and also 5th. After Hatton lost his rag with Cortez he lost the fight.

[Ziggy Montana]

... and have now d/led it ...bullshit... :roll:

[Theo]

i gave rounds like follow...

1. Rick
2. Rick
3. PBF
4. PBF
5. Rick
--------

REST of the fight all went to PBF.

/Theo.

[la punta]

i gave rounds like follow...

1. Rick
2. Rick
3. PBF
4. PBF
5. Rick
--------

REST of the fight all went to PBF.

/Theo.

me too pal

[Leif Erikson]

Hatton made Mayweather uncomfortable in there, which is more than anyone has done in years. Even when De La Hoya won a few rounds early, you rarely thought Mayweather was doing anything other than bide his time, but Ricky shocked him in the first few rounds....He made Mayweather complain to his corner.

Mayweather proved himself, but Hatton MADE him bring his game to the highest level it's been at in years. Instead of fighting down to the level of his opponent, he fought up and above which is why it ended so spectacularly...if Hatton wasn't a threat, it wouldn't have ended so spectacularly. It would have been another cruise control decision, but it wasn't - And I feel Hatton deserves some credit for that as well as the champion does for raising his game.

[la punta]

Thing is we have the benefit of rewatching the fight tape. I can slow it down to actually see if a punch connected...and how cleanly it landed and with how much leverage it had. But after watching it again on quality video instead of *******, my analysis is that mayweather was winning the fight with hatton turning the momentum ...the deduction happened and it turned ugly like corrales-mayweather.

what people don't realize, is the sequence right before the deduction, hatton got a very clean good shot in, very compact and lots of leverage,...followed up by a couple more semi good shots. PBF hangs on to hatton's glove and hatton being aggressive hits him on back of head while trying to free pbf off his left glove.

EDIT: this shot was one of the best shots hatton his all night...it was at 2:14 in the 6th round.....hatton initially comes in...gets tapped by a light jab ...gets close...pbf..extends his elbow to hatton's face...hatton creates some distance...gets his legs under him and throws a compact leveraged right straight into pbf's face which clearly stuns pbf.


dam, you should write for a sports paper, this is awesome, now looking at my tape, a few times, without beer lol. what you say is true:thumbsup

[Vaile]

Best i could possibly give Hatton is two rounds, but that is in a very generous mood. Realistically scoring, for all round contribution, he gets one round. He didn't land, got hit at will and was beat not only on the outside but on the inside to.

[K2ray]

Hatton made Mayweather uncomfortable in there, which is more than anyone has done in years. Even when De La Hoya won a few rounds early, you rarely thought Mayweather was doing anything other than bide his time, but Ricky shocked him in the first few rounds....He made Mayweather complain to his corner.

Mayweather proved himself, but Hatton MADE him bring his game to the highest level it's been at in years. Instead of fighting down to the level of his opponent, he fought up and above which is why it ended so spectacularly...if Hatton wasn't a threat, it wouldn't have ended so spectacularly. It would have been another cruise control decision, but it wasn't - And I feel Hatton deserves some credit for that as well as the champion does for raising his game.

YOu make out like it's 10 years and shit:patschwhen in reality as recent as the Judah fight, Mayweather had a tougher battle:deal

[Vaile]

YOu make out like it's 10 years and shit:patschwhen in reality as recent as the Judah fight, Mayweather had a tougher battle:deal


Yes. when people say that Ricky brought out the best in Floyd, i have to ask myself, would Floyd stand toe to toe with Cotto like he did with Hatton? Mayweather saw Hatton's weakness's and capitalised.

[K0NPHL1C7]

hatton only won rd 5

Yep.

[bigtime-skills]

I hate posters like that because those people who watched know that the fight was competitive till the point deduction. Those who havent seen the fight after reading crap posts like that will think that Mayweather just danced, smiled and potshoted Hatton for all the rounds. And THEN these posters go on to repeat what they have read to others. And I know that was the same case with DLH, after the fight people were talking about disputable decision, then how close the fight was, then 2-3 months later all we heard was that DLH barely won a round in that fight and Mayweather completly dominated toying with him.

Preach champ and this is coming from a "Money" fan. Last week I had a post called "Cheap Mofos" and the reason for that title is that people will skew the results for their own sake. That's why watching the fights LIVE is mandatory for myself...:good

[LogDog69]

If you feel Hatton won the round it should be scored 9-9 and not 10-9. (unless you had that round a draw)

Yea I had it 6 to 3 Mayweather and scored the 6th 9-9.

[BigReg]

Alot of people are debating the scoring of this fight. Here are some excerpts from a recent column from unbiased yahoo columnist Kevin Iole. These excerpts shed some light on fight scoring from various analyst:


First, there are, sadly, many, many racist people in this world. The 'N' word was used far more often in the responses I received than was the word knockout. This is disgusting. Not surprisingly, the vast majority of those don't have the guts to sign their names to their bigoted statements.

Second, too many fans score with their hearts and not with their heads. The majority of those who wrote seemed to think that Hatton was winning at the time of the stoppage. I had the exact same score in every round as judges Dave Moretti and Paul Smith, giving Hatton only the fifth round. Judge Burt Clements gave Hatton the third and the fifth. No one in the Hatton camp complained about the scoring. And most of the media, including numerous pro-Hatton reporters from the U.K., scored it either 7-2 or 8-1 in favor of Mayweather.

In my round-by-round analysis, ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) I wrote that Mayweather began to appear comfortable for the first time in the ninth round. But he was still controlling the fight. Hatton only landed 63 punches in 9½ rounds, an absurdly low number. He wouldn't defeat Mayweather once if they fought 100 times.

With great columnists like Dan Wetzel, Michael Silver, Adrian Wojnarowski, Michael Arkush, Jeff Passan and Tim Brown, among many others, Yahoo! Sports, in my opinion, is far and away the top destination on the ‘net.
That said, here are a few statistics courtesy of CompuBox from Saturday's bout to chew on: From the fourth round through the ninth, Hatton landed a total of one jab. He connected on just 17 percent of his total punches. He landed in single digits in nine of the 10 rounds. Down the stretch in Rounds 8-10, he was out-landed 56-12.
Bottom line: Mayweather received kudos because he performed like the No. 1 fighter in the world, which he is

[Speak.King]

In between rounds when they show the slo-mo highlights, they showed nothing effective that Hattton was doing. Only Floyds accuracy. I'll have to watch it again though.

[themainevent]

At the time of the knock down I had it 6-2 PBF with one round shared, cannot remember which one, might've been the 1st.

[Pimp C]

I gave Hatton 2 rounds.

[Darthmage]

I gave Hatton 2 rounds.

loolol... nice avatar and comment. Ironic

[Phanekim]

Alot of people are debating the scoring of this fight. Here are some excerpts from a recent column from unbiased yahoo columnist Kevin Iole. These excerpts shed some light on fight scoring from various analyst:


First, there are, sadly, many, many racist people in this world. The 'N' word was used far more often in the responses I received than was the word knockout. This is disgusting. Not surprisingly, the vast majority of those don't have the guts to sign their names to their bigoted statements.

Second, too many fans score with their hearts and not with their heads. The majority of those who wrote seemed to think that Hatton was winning at the time of the stoppage. I had the exact same score in every round as judges Dave Moretti and Paul Smith, giving Hatton only the fifth round. Judge Burt Clements gave Hatton the third and the fifth. No one in the Hatton camp complained about the scoring. And most of the media, including numerous pro-Hatton reporters from the U.K., scored it either 7-2 or 8-1 in favor of Mayweather.

In my round-by-round analysis, ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) I wrote that Mayweather began to appear comfortable for the first time in the ninth round. But he was still controlling the fight. Hatton only landed 63 punches in 9½ rounds, an absurdly low number. He wouldn't defeat Mayweather once if they fought 100 times.

With great columnists like Dan Wetzel, Michael Silver, Adrian Wojnarowski, Michael Arkush, Jeff Passan and Tim Brown, among many others, Yahoo! Sports, in my opinion, is far and away the top destination on the ‘net.
That said, here are a few statistics courtesy of CompuBox from Saturday's bout to chew on: From the fourth round through the ninth, Hatton landed a total of one jab. He connected on just 17 percent of his total punches. He landed in single digits in nine of the 10 rounds. Down the stretch in Rounds 8-10, he was out-landed 56-12.
Bottom line: Mayweather received kudos because he performed like the No. 1 fighter in the world, which he is

* Racism? Maybe there are people that are charged up for this fight. But I live in a predominately black community and most of them were cheering for Floyd. Does that make them racist? To me, HELL NO.

To me, racism means you judge someone by the color of their skin or you take an implied stance of superiority. True, I will agree that a lot of white people were cheering for hatton and a lot of black people were cheering for floyd. But i think this is more to do with they identify with this person's persona and they share the same culture. Of course that would naturally effect their scoring of fight.

They surely might be biased, but racist? No way. I dare you to ask any hatton supporters here if they thought PBF was in any way an inferior being or stupid or whatever. If anything, they were probably more in tune with Hatton's lifestyle and what he was all about. Same with pbf supporters, who probably see him as a person who worked hard to make a life for him and his family.

* Secondly, I think reporters are stupid. I make a decent amount of money sports betting. The LAST thing I do is read reporter's articles. They have the ability to sway you in a wierd way ...away from the X's and O's that actually matter.

One of the main reasons I do not like them is because they are not athletes. I am not a boxer, but definately am extremely athletic in my late 20s, I at least understand the more scientific discrete aspects of sport.

What reporters have a tendency to do is glorify it and make it into a soap opera....a novel if you will. After all, they are storytellers. After this fight, it is too easy to get caught up in Mayweather's seemingly predestined greatness and before the fight it was too easy to get caught up in Hatton's heart of a champion. I dont know where i'm going with this, but hopefully you guys sorta get my point.

[eze]

You only scored the first 6 rounds. Wheres 7 8 and 9....

[eltorrente]

I gave Hatton round 2 - though I think I'm in the minority here. I watched it twice, and thought he won that round. I also gave him round 5, I believe.

When I first watched it, I thought Ricky won 3 rounds, but after watching it again I could only give him 2.

Some rounds were kinda close, but PBF was landing such clean shots and never really getting hit by anything flush, so he clearly won those.

[gruuby]

I watched the fight 4 times now. Ricky gets round 1 and round 5. How convinient you forgot to mentioned that Hatton pushed PBF into the ropes and tried rabbit punching twice in that sequence. Here it is once again:
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Very clearly a faul. So basically what you're saying here is that the point deduction sped up Mayweather and slowed Ricky down?

[kirk]

Watched the fight 3 times already, gave Ricky 2 rounds everytime.

And Harold Lederman is still on crack. WHy he gave the 1st round to Hatton is beyond me. lots of people gave hatton the first round... including the maker of this thread. its because hatton won the first round.

[kirk]

not sure what my final tally was but i know for a fact hatton won 2 rounds MINIMUM.... to anyone not biased and with a brain.

[BigReg]

not sure what my final tally was but i know for a fact hatton won 2 rounds MINIMUM.... to anyone not biased and with a brain.

So I guess two of the judges were biased and don't have a brain. I guess respected columnists Dan Rafael and Kevin Iole are don't have a brain either. Put me in that group too, because Ricky won two rounds maximum in my opinion.

[eze]

Ricky won 1 maybe 2 rounds. Nothing more.


I had it 89-82

[ChampionsForever]

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

Mayweather likes using hes elbows don't he :hey, I scored it 7-2, only a few rounds were clear in favour of Mayweather, Hatton didnt come out of that fight looking like he didn't belong in the ring with the guy like some are arguing, it was a close first half of the fight, but it turned to shit. The better fighter won on Satuarday night.

[Ring Master]

Ricky won 1 maybe 2 rounds. Nothing more.


I had it 89-82

yo, what's good with the ava?

[Ring Master]

Ricky won the 2nd & the 5th, I could see him maybe winning the 3rd, maybe.

[Phanekim]

I watched the fight 4 times now. Ricky gets round 1 and round 5. How convinient you forgot to mentioned that Hatton pushed PBF into the ropes and tried rabbit punching twice in that sequence. Here it is once again:
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
Very clearly a faul. So basically what you're saying here is that the point deduction sped up Mayweather and slowed Ricky down?

In my previous posts, i said i can see why Cortez took the point away. Personally, I wouldn't have taken a point away. Although, it was very close. If Hatton had actually hurt PBF more, I would have.

Again, the original point of message was, i had Mayweather up 3-2 with hatton winning the 6th round until the deduction. I thought that the deduction made hatton lose his cool and it turned into corrales-mayweather. I also thought the fight was slowly going hatton's way before the deduction.

[Ziggy Montana]

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Mayweather likes using hes elbows don't he :hey, I scored it 7-2, only a few rounds were clear in favour of Mayweather, Hatton didnt come out of that fight looking like he didn't belong in the ring with the guy like some are arguing, it was a close first half of the fight, but it turned to shit. The better fighter won on Satuarday night. What the fuck was he supposed to do with his elbows. Hatton was humping him like a dog in heat.

Thanks also for stating the obvious, Captain Truism!

[El Bombasto]

On the official scorecards the fight was a blowout before the stoppage. I thought it was closer than that, but PBF was still leading.

[Ziggy Montana]

What do you mean close? This is boxing, not a fucking Dodge Ram commercial! :-(

[theboy_racer]

The original poster is pointing out that it was very close until the point deduction when Hatton seemed to lose his cool, then a couple rounds later he seemed to tire and as you'd expect PBF more than took advantage of it.

[psychopath]

I thought the fight was very much closer than numbers or anybody tells you.

Well that's what a "ten point must system" scoring is.

The results will not always show how closely contested a fight is . . . because every round is being scored independently.

No matter how many times people watched that fight . . . it's clear that Hatton won the max of only two rounds . . . so in short . . . that fight was not a close fight. It's a hotly contested full of action exciting fight but NOT CLOSE.

See the difference? :think :yep

[Symphenyceo]

Well that's what a "ten point must system" scoring is.

The results will not always show how closely contested a fight is . . . because every round is being scored independently.

No matter how many times people watched that fight . . . it's clear that Hatton won the max of only two rounds . . . so in short . . . that fight was not a close fight. It's a hotly contested full of action exciting fight but NOT CLOSE.

See the difference? :think :yep



exactly....thats why i say it wasnt close...

[Symphenyceo]

post score cards please

[psychopath]

My scorecard? :D

It's not that hard . . . it's 8 rounds for PBF; one round to Hatton (5th round) plus the 1 point deduction . . . I have it as 89 - 81.

[El Bombasto]

post score cards please

88-82, 89-81 x 2 for Mayweather