Who beats Mosely at 135?

[Nawfal]

the guy was a beast at 135

who would have beaten him?

[Thread Stealer]

Duran, Chavez, Whitaker.

Maybe Buchanan, Dejesus, PBF.

Maybe Camacho too.

[Relentless]

no one

[gilad]

From fighters of today? Prime Cassamayor.
Shane has a problem with skilled soutpaws, bad style for him.

[Relentless]

From fighters of today? Prime Cassamayor.
Shane has a problem with skilled soutpaws, bad style for him.

you mean winky wright??? because thas the only southpaw he had a problem with, he very easily schooled collazo.

soutpaw not southpaws, 1 is not plural.

[Titan1]

Howard Davis Jr, Duran, Arguello, Whitaker, possibly Mancini.

[Thread Stealer]

All were good choices with the exception of Camancho, if Greg Haugan can pull it out so could Shane.

The Camacho of 1991, at 140 lbs. was not the same as the Camacho of 82-85.

[Relentless]

looks like i made gilad shut up, ok who's next?

[brooklyn1550]

Roberto Duran
Pernell Whitaker
Benny Leonard (tough to say based on the amount of film available)
Joe Gans (same as Benny Leonard)
Henry Armstrong
Ike Williams
Julio Cesar Chavez
Tony Canzoneri
Barney Ross

These guys would have real shots too:
Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
Carlos Ortiz
Hector Camacho
Esteban De Jesus
Ken Buchanan

[Nawfal]

i dont think chavez beats mosely

[Koa]

Maybe Floyd have, I agree that Pernell and Duran could have beat him, Chavez had serious problems with Taylor and if not for a miracle KO he would have lost, Taylor was very similiar to Mosley in speed and style. I am 27 and have been watching boxing since 87 and I don't know who the hell Ike Williams is, maybe he is an old schooler or maybe he flew under the radar.

I think you have a great point about Mosely and Taylor being extremely similar. Thing is I would give Shane the edge on power and Taylor and edge on speed, I think Taylor possibly had the fastest hands I've ever seen not that Mosely wasn't extremely fast himself. He still has blazing speed.

The only problem with the matchup with Chavez is Shane's seeming unwillingness to back off.. I could just picture Chavez landing a body shot and Shane getting into many exchanges with Chavez and paying dearly for it in the later rounds. Shanes the type of fighter that always tries to get back right away, someone lands on him and he goes right after them instead of backing off which is also similar to Taylor. Thing is it seems Mosely is even more unwilling to back off than Taylor was.

The only if here is Shanes chin, which is absolutely AMAZING. If he could stand with Chavez for 12 and survive he very well could win, but then he would probably end up a lot like Taylor did, in the hospital and not the same.

[Nawfal]

i dont know why

i actually think mosely embarasses and school chavez....

[Sonny Carson]

It's a very interesting fight, and to tell the truth, I'm not prepared to say I am sure of it either. I don't think Shane is a prime Meldrick either though, there styles are different, no matter what some say.
Shane had more pop than Meldrick. Meldrick had more speed and that's sayin somethin cause Shane was amazingly fast at 135. I think with Shane having speed and power he'll get more respect from Chavez than Taylor did. It would be an interesting fight and I think Shane would win. I do think that Duran and Whitaker would beat Shane.

[istmeno]

Howard Davis Jr, Duran, Arguello, Whitaker, possibly Mancini.

wtf. howard did not have the balls to beat shane. the first time he gets tagged he runs like a girl the rest of the fight. he was the biggest waste of talent i have seen. million dollar skills 2cent heart.

remember it was not for lack of skill that he never became champion. it was lack of heart.

[Thread Stealer]

i dont know why

i actually think mosely embarasses and school chavez....

There's very few guys, if any, in history that would embrass and school a prime Chavez.

Mosley is not one of them (if one actually exists).

[lyricalmist]

a prime mosley vs floyd at 135 would be a HUGE fight...could of been a classic

[Jinx]

Howard Davis Jr, Duran, Arguello, Whitaker, possibly Mancini.

i can see everyone on that list except Arguello beating Shane at 135...remember what Pryor did to do Arguello? Shane at 135 would've done the even worse...bad style matchup for Arguello...

[Mike Tyson]

No one! He fought like a true fighter in every category. This is true that he fought a good competition as a true boxer ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) and to put a question mark on his ability will be a fool work. He looks spectacular. Yup this is true that sometimes he failed to give a good competition against a better competitor. But one thing is sure that mo man can give his best all time.:bbb

[cuchulain]

All Time?

I love Shane but he is getting overrated at that weight. He looked spectacular but he didn'r really fight anyone of any real note. His big fights came at higher weights and he lost a few. I'd say a guy with good boxing and a stiff jab would've beaten him, plenty.

Duran
Whitaker
Chavez may have(interesting fight)
Ike Williams
Maybe Floyd(interesting fight)


Just a few right there.

Of your list, only Duran.

[C Money]

Duran.

I'd give Ike Williams the next best shot. Whitaker?? Maybe, but something tells me that he'd have hard time with SSM's VOLUME of punches at 35.

No one was clamoring to fight SSM at 35 and he moved up as fast as he did to keep pace with Oscar. Had he stayed?? He could have RULED 35 for a long time.

Floyd??:lol: Floyd gets WHIPPED by wide UD.

[Thread Stealer]

Pernell Whitaker exist and he schooled Chavez. (Class is in)

Please.

Stop talking about "class is in" when you actually brought up the Camacho-Haugen fights in 1991, at 140, 5 years post-Rosario, to talk about Camacho at 135 at his peak (or pretty close to it)...and have been watching boxing for 20 years and don't know who Ike Williams is.

Whitaker won that 8-4 at 147 (both guys were above their best weight, Whitaker had a better style to adapt to moving up), it wasn't a domination like people claim.

Very few guys in history would school a peak Chavez @ 135 (or 130 or 140 for that matter), and Mosley (who isn't as skilled as Pea) is not one of them.

[Thread Stealer]

The thing is, Shane never threw the amount of punches at the rate Meldrick did. I am not sure anyone in history threw punches like a prime Meldrick. Shane may have been close to as quick and had as much if not more power, but his workrate wasn't enough to bother Chavez like Meldrick's was.

Taylor and Mosley have some similarities and differences. As you said, Taylor had a better workrate. I think he had more skills on the inside than Mosley, which helped him against Chavez. Mosley was a good combo puncher but also tended to load up and wing quite a bit, and be open down the middle. Taylor threw a lot of ridiculously fast flurries, often they were arm punches, but he was so active that he was able to outland Chavez regardless. Mosley was the stronger and more powerful guy, who obviously had more longevity at a high level. Both Taylor and Mosley liked to trade and would take their share of shots. Mosley would give Chavez problems and might pull off the win, surely it would not be easy though.