Why should Calzaghe fight in the USA? [Archive]

coronacards

12-13-2007, 01:27 PM

Yeah but the potential to be robbed is massive as proved with Lewis-Holyfield 1.

I really don't think that was because Lewis was from the UK...If you've seen some other Holyfield judging "gems", you'd see that the judges sometimes made crazy decisions in his favor.

Also, why should Hopkins go to the UK when JC has been annointed as a GOD? Wouldn't it be even more likely that Hopkins gets robbed there???

LET THEM FIGHT IN ICELAND!

Bigcat

12-13-2007, 01:31 PM

Calzaghe has dominated without travelling....

Virgil Hill did similar for all of his first reign.. Bismark ND for life..

Joseph could go to the US and ruin his whole legacy by way of a terrible decision..

Joe does great as he is.. He is a great champ .....

Mike Tyson as champ only ever went abroad to Japan and it was on one of those trips that he had his title torn away from him..

gutto

12-13-2007, 01:34 PM

As a brit I would love to see JC fight in the states why stick to the Uk
as long as its all fair with the ref and the money is right

coronacards

12-13-2007, 01:36 PM

History my friend is replete with evidence of America's corruption; heck you can't even annoint a president without a degree of fraud :deal

That's true. We do have bullshit presidential elections...We also elect morons. Much of the time, you don't do much better haha.

At any rate, to me, JC staying and fighting in his backyard against weak opposition will keep him in his current status: AN UNDEFEATED CHAMPION. That's enough for some, but if he wants a true legacy in the sport, and wants the chance to be an ATG, he needs to come to the USA, and fight some REAL champions.

Boro chris

12-13-2007, 01:38 PM

Exposure and economics. Look how much money Hatton made for getting knocked out by Floyd.

Boro chris

12-13-2007, 01:40 PM

That's true. We do have bullshit presidential elections...We also elect morons. Much of the time, you don't do much better haha.

At any rate, to me, JC staying and fighting in his backyard against weak opposition will keep him in his current status: AN UNDEFEATED CHAMPION. That's enough for some, but if he wants a true legacy in the sport, and wants the chance to be an ATG, he needs to come to the USA, and fight some REAL champions.

Dawson or Hopkins?

drvooh

12-13-2007, 01:40 PM

It broadens his horizan...He could get a big name for himself:D

MancMexican

12-13-2007, 01:42 PM

Ka-ching!!!!!!!

My dinner with Conteh

12-13-2007, 01:45 PM

I really don't think that was because Lewis was from the UK...If you've seen some other Holyfield judging "gems", you'd see that the judges sometimes made crazy decisions in his favor.

And when they didn't he thought they got it wrong. Evander even thought he beat Bowe in their first meeting. :tired

Bigcat

12-13-2007, 01:45 PM

Ka-ching!!!!!!!

mmmm.. Joseph heard double treble Kachinggggggg ...

In his own home town agaisnt Kessler and in Manchester against Lacy..

Kaching is already on his doorstep...............

G_RapPBF

12-13-2007, 01:49 PM

I can see why the Brits wouldnt want Calzaghe to fight in America. They dont wanna risk exposing the only good athlete they have.

PrideOfWales

12-13-2007, 01:52 PM

mmmm.. Joseph heard double treble Kachinggggggg ...

In his own home town agaisnt Kessler and in Manchester against Lacy..

Kaching is already on his doorstep...............

Calzaghe made shit money for the Lacy fight.

He will get a career high payday if he goes to fight in the USA of America against one of their MVPs

PrideOfWales

12-13-2007, 01:53 PM

I can see why the Brits wouldnt want Calzaghe to fight in America. They dont wanna risk exposing the only good athlete they have.

You son, have blatently never heard of Phil "The Power" Taylor

FRKO

12-13-2007, 01:54 PM

Calzaghe made shit money for the Lacy fight.

And Hedrix was paid in hamburgers for his first gig. True story!

PrideOfWales

12-13-2007, 01:58 PM

And Hedrix was paid in hamburgers for his first gig. True story!

I heard that happened to Jimi Hendrix too!

Dorfmeister

12-13-2007, 02:00 PM

Because he gave his word that he would and against Bernard Hopkins... When a fighter wants to be Great, the Greatest, his words cannot become volatile and "adjust" to the circumstances. Joey has to go for all or nothing, just like Hatton did, that is what makes greatness - not accepting Sports Personality Awards in a casually dressed V-neck and jeans...

sues2nd

12-13-2007, 02:01 PM

Yeah but the potential to be robbed is massive as proved with Lewis-Holyfield 1.

You cant get robbed anywhere but the US?

:patsch

Dorfmeister

12-13-2007, 02:11 PM

You cant get robbed anywhere but the US?

At least, by saying that, they realise that it can be close and decided by mere details... Hatton was not robbed, Lewis was not that disfavoured and Calzaghe has a lot of reasons to believe he will beat Hopkins soundly... Problem is that Calzaghe is himself getting haunted by other people's ghosts and that will not help make this fight come through. Joe must go for it and fight him like Kessler, that's all.

Middleweight

12-13-2007, 02:12 PM

Yeah but why should americans get home turf every time?

Thats like Sporting getting 38 home games a season!More current American champions fight in Europe than vice versa.

Middleweight

12-13-2007, 02:29 PM

yeah coz PBF and Hopkins are really well travelled! Calzaghe fights in England alot which is actually a different country to Wales, nowadays he has the support in England but in his younger days V Reid or Eubank fighting in England against an Englishman was a harder test than any away days Hopkins has had!Here is a chart someone else posted...

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The guerrero entry is backwards - he fought in Europe once but never defended against a Euro in USA.

My dinner with Conteh

12-13-2007, 02:47 PM

And Hedrix was paid in hamburgers for his first gig. True story!

Then Chas Chandler brought him over to England and the rest is history. :good

sthomas

12-13-2007, 02:51 PM

Joe should come to US for Hopkins in 2008.

1) Money $, $, $, $
2) Build his legacy more internationally
3) Serious hype! Look @ Mayweather / Hatton
4) Not all bad decisions go for Us fighters in the US. Chavez / Whitaker

sues2nd

12-13-2007, 02:54 PM

PrideOfWales

12-13-2007, 02:58 PM

I have no prob with Joe fighting a bout in the US.

It will be good for his legacy
I could do with a trip to a financially inferior country to save some money
He'll make more money
I like Hooters

drvooh

12-13-2007, 03:02 PM

Exactly

PrideOfWales

12-13-2007, 03:10 PM

Because if he doesn't then he's just a stupid EuroBUM.

And if he does....?

sean

12-13-2007, 03:31 PM

calzaghe is not a draw in america and will never be a draw in america, he does not have the hatton like charisma and is only 2 fights away from retirement.

i read that the biggest most important fight in europe, namely calzaghe v kessler which went ahead at 2am in the morning uk to suit american prime time had HBO worst ever figures for a prime time fight albeit they only put in $3 million of the total pot.

the figures i saw was that HBO got A 2.6 % market share.

after that how much money are HBO going to pump into the pot in america for a calzaghe fight ?

sues2nd

12-13-2007, 03:32 PM

I have no prob with Joe fighting a bout in the US.

It will be good for his legacy
I could do with a trip to a financially inferior country to save some money
He'll make more money
I like Hooters

Hooters Wings are the SHIT!

My dinner with Conteh

12-13-2007, 03:33 PM

Not all bad decisions go for Us fighters in the US. Chavez / Whitaker

Not when the foreign guy is promoted by Don King they don't.

My dinner with Conteh

12-13-2007, 03:34 PM

This is how it'll happen:

Joe will dominate 12 rounds.

Judges score a draw.

"Oh well Joe, nevermind" they'll say " Have a rematch! More money!"

Joe:" We'll that don't help my legacy now I got a 'D' does it dipshit!!"

Them: "Welcome to America!"

Sounds like what happened to Jeff Fenech. He felt great after the fight too. :-(

sues2nd

12-13-2007, 03:37 PM

My dinner with Conteh

12-13-2007, 03:44 PM

So are all of the non-US posters attempting to deflect that a large % of erronious decisions happen outside of the US?

What about Whitaker - Ramirez?

What about the HUGE number of fights in Germany?

I could keep going...corrupt judges are EVERYWHERE...here and across the pond.

Gimme a fuckin break guys.

Who disagreed with this? And the one fight you mention did benefit the Don King fighter- again!. And a foreign fighter would likely get a decent deal in the states- providing he signed a huge deal with a US telly network of course. When comparing US to UK i'd agree again. However, I think a 'marquee' fighter would get a better deal over here than there. It would be difficult to remember a time when a 'top' US fighter was jobbed of a decision in England.

charlievint

12-13-2007, 03:44 PM

History my friend is replete with evidence of America's corruption; heck you can't even annoint a president without a degree of fraud :deal

THer have been FAAAR more sketchy decision in Europe when talking about Boxing. And corruption is everywhere no more or no less in the US if compared to the UK.

sues2nd

12-13-2007, 03:52 PM

Who disagreed with this? And the one fight you mention did benefit the Don King fighter- again!. And a foreign fighter would likely get a decent deal in the states- providing he signed a huge deal with a US telly network of course. When comparing US to UK i'd agree again. However, I think a 'marquee' fighter would get a better deal over here than there. It would be difficult to remember a time when a 'top' US fighter was jobbed of a decision in England.

Its not the fact that people disagreed with it...its that people keep bringing it up like its a forgone conclussion that any euro fighter coming here would get a bum rap.

Again, corrupt judges are corrupt judges, whether they are from the states, Germany, England, the MOON! Doesnt matter.

This shouldnt factor into the decision, nor the arguement of why Calzaghe should or shouldnt come here.

Money
Legacy
Exposure

All would benefit from him coming here. Anyone who is doubting that has an agenda, Im sorry...

Rumsfeld

12-13-2007, 03:57 PM

Its not the fact that people disagreed with it...its that people keep bringing it up like its a forgone conclussion that any euro fighter coming here would get a bum rap.

Again, corrupt judges are corrupt judges, whether they are from the states, Germany, England, the MOON! Doesnt matter.

This shouldnt factor into the decision, nor the arguement of why Calzaghe should or shouldnt come here.

Money
Legacy
Exposure

All would benefit from him coming here. Anyone who is doubting that has an agenda, Im sorry...

Calzaghe fans are even more terrified of The Mighty Hopkins than Calzaghe himself.

:smoke

The Clam

12-13-2007, 03:58 PM

the us has a larger market. the population of england is 50 million and the population of the united states is 300 million. of course, the number of boxing fans would need to be determined, etc.

unclepaulie

12-13-2007, 04:01 PM

If fighters from the UK come over here and are always robbed than Hatton would have lost to Collazo, end of story.

My dinner with Conteh

12-13-2007, 04:07 PM

If fighters from the UK come over here and are always robbed than Hatton would have lost to Collazo, end of story.

But the guy signed with a lucrative US television contract won. The US isn't the land of the 'home' decision, it's the land of the 'marquee fighter' decision.

Rumsfeld

12-13-2007, 04:08 PM

But the guy signed with a lucrative US television contract won. The US isn't the land of the 'home' decision, it's the land of the 'marquee fighter' decision.

There are countless examples that would suggest otherwise.

Jumping to mind, Golota getting robbed against Byrd and Ruiz.

:smoke

dodong

12-13-2007, 04:09 PM

Because that is what Hopkins wants and with Manfredo's advice.

My dinner with Conteh

12-13-2007, 04:13 PM

There are countless examples that would suggest otherwise.

Jumping to mind, Golota getting robbed against Byrd and Ruiz.

:smoke

Weren't Byrd and Ruiz with King though? As I mentioned earlier 'Don King' decisions are a law onto themselves.

pipe wrenched

12-13-2007, 04:14 PM

We want to see him!!!! The show he just put on for us by staying up and fighting Kessler at a really late hour already gained him a shit load of USA fans and shut the fuck up a huge # of critics. Come on over Joe and get that cake. IMO, he would not get robbed and just like Sam Peter, Miranda, Klitscko's, L. Lewis (he did get robbed and American's were outraged), Tito, JMM, PAC, Tua, and countless other non-American's we would love him just for coming over to show us just how good he is.

sthomas

12-13-2007, 04:48 PM

If fighters from the UK come over here and are always robbed than Hatton would have lost to Collazo, end of story.

:good You beat me to it. That is a fight disputed by many, but Hatton won. Hopkins won't go out of the US. Joe said he wants to come to the US. If Joe gets robbed, everyone in the boxing world will know it.