I just watched PBF v Judah & Cotto v Judah..

[Ashy Knucks]

Now first of all.. I'm a big fan of both PBF and Cotto..

PBF against Judah was incredible.. Judah was scared to throw punches as everytime he tried to throw Mayweather was landing..

Now against Cotto Judah was getting hit too.. but at the same time he was landing some big shots on Cotto..

Using this analysis I worry that Cotto's will to fight will make him susceptible to getting hit more than Judah did against Floyd but he'll also miss more shots against PBF which would've otherwise landed on Judah..

I'm not trying to be a prediction queen.. its just how I saw it.. I could easily be wrong..

[peter5]

I thought judah won the early rounds against PBF?

[Guru_Too_You]

Now first of all.. I'm a big fan of both PBF and Cotto..

PBF against Judah was incredible.. Judah was scared to throw punches as everytime he tried to throw Mayweather was landing..

Now against Cotto Judah was getting hit too.. but at the same time he was landing some big shots on Cotto..

Using this analysis I worry that Cotto's will to fight will make him susceptible to getting hit more than Judah did against Floyd but he'll also miss more shots against PBF which would've otherwise landed on Judah..

I'm not trying to be a prediction queen.. its just how I saw it.. I could easily be wrong..

:good

Although not as definitive of an ending, Floyd had a MUCH easier night with Judah than Cotto did.

[the_what]

:good

Although not as definitive of an ending, Floyd had a MUCH easier night with Judah than Cotto did.

Judah was getting a one sided ass kicking after the third round onward. :yep

[BITCH ASS]

Judah was getting a one sided ass kicking after the third round onward. :yep

You notice the pattern with Guru?

He only comes out when Floyd looks like he might have to challenge a live opponent, where he vehemently criticises his potential oppositions ability to save his lover boy from punishment.

[freddy-wak]

i'll tell you what...

from the first 4 rounds of the fight, i though judah had a chance to actually school floyd, and skill for skill, he could've....but somewhere down the line, like always, judah crumbled and fucked it all up...i gave judah 4 clear rounds, plus a 10-8 one for the knockdown round....i think it was alot closer than what people make it out to be....

against cotto, judah did land some good punches every now and then...but never did i feel he was actually leading on the cards how i felt around the 6th or 7th of the floyd vs judah fight....

[Thread Stealer]

I really think Zab was more confident against Mayweather than he was against Cotto, at least in the early going. Mayweather took away Judah's confidence and broke him down to the point where Zab almost got himself DQ'd (and almost won via DQ thanks to Roger being a hot head).

Zab was flopping all over the floor and acting in round 1 after a shot strayed a little low. The 3rd round low blow was legit and cringeworthy, but Zab was trying to oversell it in round 1, and constantly looked at the ref all night long.

Zab was a game loser, as he kept trying, but I don't think his confidence was there. Sort of like Tyson versus Lewis. Take your beating like a man and hope to catch him with something big, but from the start they seemed rather low on confidence.

[PowerPuncher]

Judah was getting a one sided ass kicking after the third round onward. :yep

Judah won a couple of rounds after that after seriously hurting Cotto. If Judah threw more leather he could have taken Cotto but thats the story of Judahs career

[maciek4]

The difference is that Cotto completly destroyed Judah, beating him up so bad he was pissing blood afterwards, had both eyes puffed up, blood dripping from under his glasses at the press conference and was knocked the fuck out. Floyd beat him on points using his superior defensive skills. Cotto was more impressive.

[the_what]

Judah won a couple of rounds after that after seriously hurting Cotto. If Judah threw more leather he could have taken Cotto but thats the story of Judahs career

Not on the judges cards.

[Guru_Too_You]

You notice the pattern with Guru?

He only comes out when Floyd looks like he might have to challenge a live opponent, where he vehemently criticises his potential oppositions ability to save his lover boy from punishment.

Or I just fucking moved from Boston to New York and havent been around you trolling homo.

[MancMexican]

The difference is that Cotto completly destroyed Judah, beating him up so bad he was pissing blood afterwards, had both eyes puffed up, blood dripping from under his glasses at the press conference and was knocked the fuck out. Floyd beat him on points using his superior defensive skills. Cotto was more impressive.


cotto's win was more blood thirsty but floyds was imo more impressive. zab was too scared against cotto but for the first few rounds he was doing very well because he was faster the floyd, and he did knock him down, however minor, but floyd figured out how to get around judahs speed and then dominated him for the rest of the fight and he probably would have stopped him late if not for the mini riot

[Guru_Too_You]

The difference is that Cotto completly destroyed Judah, beating him up so bad he was pissing blood afterwards, had both eyes puffed up, blood dripping from under his glasses at the press conference and was knocked the fuck out. Floyd beat him on points using his superior defensive skills. Cotto was more impressive.

Cotto was wobbled, rocked and had a whole ripped in his face. If you call that more impressive than not being wobbled, rocked and having a clean face after the bout I don't understand you.

[maciek4]

Cotto was wobbled, rocked and had a whole ripped in his face. If you call that more impressive than not being wobbled, rocked and having a clean face after the bout I don't understand you.

Against Mayweather Judah finished on his feet, in good health, ready for another big fight.
After Cotto Judah was simply finished, shot, never to be recycled again.

[BewareofDawg]

Or I just fucking moved from Boston to New York and havent been around you trolling homo.
Welcome to NY :good I thought you always lived here though? :huh

[Alo2006]

Judah won a couple of rounds after that after seriously hurting Cotto. If Judah threw more leather he could have taken Cotto but thats the story of Judahs career



I agree, Judah is one of the best boxers when it comes to great starts. I can't remember seeing a fight where he didn't win the first 2 rounds atleast. Just like every fight he lost, he started great, then fell apart. Look at the fight we ZOO, Mayweather and Cotto. He won the first round clearly.

[MacManJr.]

The difference is that Cotto completly destroyed Judah, beating him up so bad he was pissing blood afterwards, had both eyes puffed up, blood dripping from under his glasses at the press conference and was knocked the fuck out. Floyd beat him on points using his superior defensive skills. Cotto was more impressive.The fouls are the only thing that saved Zab from getting stopped by Floyd. Even after the fouls Floyd told Roger he wanted to stop him but Roger told Floyd to coast. Cotto gave Zab a life altering beating though. There's no way in hell I will deny that!

[Guru_Too_You]

Welcome to NY :good I thought you always lived here though? :huh

Grew up in New York, spent the last seven years in Boston, made the return!

[Guru_Too_You]

Against Mayweather Judah finished on his feet, in good health, ready for another big fight.
After Cotto Judah was simply finished, shot, never to be recycled again.

So.

[Caper]

Grew up in New York, spent the last seven years in Boston, made the return!

Your in NYC.....:p

We should spar

What's your class?

[eze]

i'll tell you what...

from the first 4 rounds of the fight, i though judah had a chance to actually school floyd, and skill for skill, he could've....but somewhere down the line, like always, judah crumbled and fucked it all up...i gave judah 4 clear rounds, plus a 10-8 one for the knockdown round....i think it was alot closer than what people make it out to be....

against cotto, judah did land some good punches every now and then...but never did i feel he was actually leading on the cards how i felt around the 6th or 7th of the floyd vs judah fight....



Then you wonder why people think your like Orishman. :patsch

[pit]

Against Mayweather Judah finished on his feet, in good health, ready for another big fight.
After Cotto Judah was simply finished, shot, never to be recycled again.

against Floyd Zab was completely broken down , and taken apart .
Zab was moment from being KOed until the foul and the ring Riot .

[Ashy Knucks]

against Floyd Zab was completely broken down , and taken apart .
Zab was moment from being KOed until the foul and the ring Riot .

Yea I tend to agree.. Although I think I would've rather seen the riot and PBF's reaction to his low blow :lol:

[dave82]

Just because Cotto beat Judah in a more dramatic fashion doesnt change my prediction should Money boy fight Cotto. Hell, Kostya finished Judah off a lot quicker than these two and that was when Judah was flying high.....and dancing low :)

[pit]

Judah won more rounds against Floyd than he did against Cotto. Judah caught Cotto with a good shot here and there, but there was never a point in the Cotto fight where he was dominating Cotto. Against Floyd, Judah won 4 of the first 6 rounds, and knocked Floyd down (even though the ref didnt count it).

I think your missing the point here .. Floyd took Zab apart with out suffering any damage and with ease and was on his way to Koing Zab till the foul, Cotto won by KO but look at the punishment he took and Cotto KOed Zab in the same round Floyd was about to stop Zab in before Zab fouled Floyd to save himself.

[sambob]

This is my first post on the forum so perhaps I should probably not start arguing with people RIGHT away, but...

Floyd beat him on points using his superior defensive skills. Cotto was more impressive.

Against Mayweather Judah finished on his feet, in good health, ready for another big fight.

Did you even see rounds 8-10 in the fight with Floyd? Zab was moments away from being knocked out. The only time Floyd opens up with right hooks like that is when he's moments away from a knockout or stoppage, or at least thats how its been in his past fights.

You can say Cotto's performance looks more impressive in the record books, but if the action hadn't been stopped in Zab's fight with Floyd, then he would have scored a knockout as well, and it wouldn't matter. Comparing their performances against Zab doesn't mean much in my opinion because the outcome should have been the same (late round KO/TKO), and also because Zab fought the fights in two different styles. Against Floyd it seems to me he tried to be the aggressor, and against Cotto he tried to counterpunch (And landed a couple of beautiful uppercuts btw). Hard to really get much out of comparing the two fights in my opinion.

against cotto, judah did land some good punches every now and then...but never did i feel he was actually leading on the cards how i felt around the 6th or 7th of the floyd vs judah fight.

Zab may have won early rounds but it wasn't on clean punching, it was on aggression, he didn't land that much. In fact even though in the Cotto fight he still didnt land that much, its pretty clear Judah hurt Cotto more than he hurt Mayweather. One of those uppercuts seemed very effective.

And shit, what happened to 'styles makes fights'? Just cause fighter A beats fighter B blah blah blah..

[Ashy Knucks]

I think your missing the point here .. Floyd took Zab apart with out suffering any damage and with ease and was on his way to Koing Zab till the foul, Cotto won by KO but look at the punishment he took and Cotto KOed Zab in the same round Floyd was about to stop Zab in before Zab fouled Floyd to save himself.

Precisely.. its how they fought.. not the outcome.. see my first post..

[pit]

Precisely.. its how they fought.. not the outcome.. see my first post..


Iv debated and argued this point many times but Floyd haters refuse intel and detail of both fights and are stuck on absolute .. :-(

It this thinking IMO that got Ricky KOed thinking he could walk through floyd punches because , floyd fail to KO a guy who suppose to have weak chin but not paying any attention to the way Zab was dominated.

In the end All Floyd victims al say the same thing , he hit a lot harder then he leads you to believe , he's a lot harder to hit then I thought , He's a lot faster then I thought and his skill are far better then I was LEAD to believe.

[Ring Master]

i'll tell you what...

from the first 4 rounds of the fight, i though judah had a chance to actually school floyd, and skill for skill, he could've....but somewhere down the line, like always, judah crumbled and fucked it all up...i gave judah 4 clear rounds, plus a 10-8 one for the knockdown round....i think it was alot closer than what people make it out to be....

yeah b/c it had nothing to do with Floyd making an adjustment. Just ignore that floyd started to use a winky wright type high guard and pressure Judah. Forget the body shots he landed that started to break judah down. It was all Judah's and no credit to PBF. Fucking hater, step your boxing IQ up boy.

[sambob]

In response to the 'Floyd hits harder than you think' think, also I think a lot of people forget that even though Floyd's hand speed is so great that he can get off punches before his opponents even have time to get their guard up, often they still don't even see his punches coming. He's very good at sneaking in that straight right hand, a la Bernard Hopkins or his uncle Roger. If you don't even know a punch is going to hit you it always seems much more powerful.

[Frankwhite]

Is it me or does anyone else agree that Mayweather is scurrred of Cotto?
Mayweather is young and truthfully still in his prime. Why would he choose to retire? for some years!?!?
Thoughts on Pacquiao moving up to fight Mayweather. Would it ever happen? could he win? I personally think Pac would get the Win.

[sambob]

Is it me or does anyone else agree that Mayweather is scurrred of Cotto?
Mayweather is young and truthfully still in his prime. Why would he choose to retire? for some years!?!?
Thoughts on Pacquiao moving up to fight Mayweather. Would it ever happen? could he win? I personally think Pac would get the Win.

Well Floyd says he is bored with boxing, thts a good reason. I think the real reason is more likely just that he wants to do other things. He's been spending every day in the gym for over 10 years, and has also been living with a lot of pain with his constant hand injuries for over 10 years. After 10 years of all that wouldn't you want a break?

Also, Pacquiao stands no chance against Mayweather or any of the top 147 lb fighters, no chance.

Call me a hater if u want, but i just dont see how Floyd's win over Judah, was more impressive than Cotto's. I really dont. I gave Zab 4 of the first 6 rounds, and i gave him the 12th. Now thats 5 rounds. According to the judges cards at the time of the stoppage, judah had only won 1-2 round against Cotto. Floyd outpointed Judah. Cotto beat the shit outta him.

You've got to look at more than just the score cards. Watch both fights. Floyd was about to knock out Zab. When Zab fought Cotto, though Cotto won the rounds, Zab still hurt Cotto a couple of times, and fought convincingly. When he fought Mayweather, he won a couple of early rounds on aggression, but only landed a few clean punches and never hurt Mayweather.

[Ashy Knucks]

Call me a hater if u want, but i just dont see how Floyd's win over Judah, was more impressive than Cotto's. I really dont. I gave Zab 4 of the first 6 rounds, and i gave him the 12th. Now thats 5 rounds. According to the judges cards at the time of the stoppage, judah had only won 1-2 round against Cotto. Floyd outpointed Judah. Cotto beat the shit outta him. :deal

The point your missing is Cotto had blood all over him.. Floyd was relatively untouched.. Cotto is going to have a hell of a harder time trying to hit Mayweather half as much as he did Judah.. FACT.. and while doing so he's going to have alot more shots landing on him.. as Judah is quicker and was still scared to throw in fear of getting pumbled in the last 7 rounds v PBF.. this is my point.. its got NOTHING to do with who got the KO or the impressive win.. its to do with fighting style..

[Frankwhite]

Watch out for that dangerous left hook that put my man Hatton out!!!!!
I wont be happy until I see a rematch.

[the_what]

The point your missing is Cotto had blood all over him.. Floyd was relatively untouched.. Cotto is going to have a hell of a harder time trying to hit Mayweather half as much as he did Judah.. FACT.. and while doing so he's going to have alot more shots landing on him.. as Judah is quicker and was still scared to throw in fear of getting pumbled in the last 7 rounds.. this is my point.. its got NOTHING to do with who got the KO or the impressive win.. its to do with fighting style..

Judah won more rounds from Mayweather than Cotto. :deal

[Ashy Knucks]

Judah won more rounds from Mayweather than Cotto. :deal

Your not understanding what i'm saying.. its nothing to do with the scorecards..

[El Bombasto]

Now first of all.. I'm a big fan of both PBF and Cotto..

PBF against Judah was incredible.. Judah was scared to throw punches as everytime he tried to throw Mayweather was landing..

Now against Cotto Judah was getting hit too.. but at the same time he was landing some big shots on Cotto..

Using this analysis I worry that Cotto's will to fight will make him susceptible to getting hit more than Judah did against Floyd but he'll also miss more shots against PBF which would've otherwise landed on Judah..

I'm not trying to be a prediction queen.. its just how I saw it.. I could easily be wrong..

Judah owned PBF in the early rounds. Cotto dominated Zab from the bell. That said, PBF would most likely win a UD here. But, then again, I expected SSM to beat Cotto.

[Ashy Knucks]

Cotto's bleeding was due to a cut lip, and if im not mistaking, that cut lip was a result of a headbutt. Yes Judah caught Cotto with a few "one and done uppercuts", but thats it. Floyd didnt get hit as flush as Cotto did, but Cotto definitely dominated Judah more that Floyd did.

Only because Judah realised he was getting hit everytime he tried to do something after round 5.. He stopped throwing in fear of being hit.. His dad's even in the corner saying ''you've got to fuckin throw Zab'' and he still wouldn't do it.. Where as with Cotto he still had the confidence to fight because he knew he could hit Cotto..

Put simply.. After watching both fights.. Cotto won't have the luxury of hitting Floyd like he did Judah.. and when he does come forward I would expect Mayweather to come back with alot more than Judah did.. Which can't be good news.. you see where i'm coming from?

[pit]

Judah owned PBF in the early rounds. Cotto dominated Zab from the bell. That said, PBF would most likely win a UD here. But, then again, I expected SSM to beat Cotto.
zab owned floyd!?!? palease!!he did well but hardly anything I'd call dominating.
cotto was almost koed and needed that low blow to bail himself out bad situation..

[UK2004]

Cotto is open to being hit and will be stopped eventually just a cas eof against who.

[sambob]

Wow get real people. How many times do we have to say it? If you're comparing PERFORMANCE in a fight, scorecards dont matter. Zab won some rounds when he fought Floyd, though neither fighter landed hardly any punches. Zab didnt win rounds against Cotto, though he hit him cleanly and even hurt him a couple of times with counter left uppercuts.

Damn those uppercuts were beautiful.

[Symphenyceo]

Zab won 3 of the first 4 rounds and that was it...people say zab won 5 rds.....lol.....WTF??

[bigtime9]

zab won 2 rounds 2 and 4 that's it. if you're a floyd hater you can give him the 12th and the first, but those are compassion rounds:deal compassion rounds occur when you hate one fighter and wish for the other fighter to knock him out.

zab was so scared to fight back after the fifth he had to foul floyd to keep from getting knocked out. cotto was getting beat around the ring by zab and fouled him to keep himself in the fight:deal

cotto is not on floyd's level and right now floyd should not fight him. cotto must prove himself.:admin

[PACZ]

Now first of all.. I'm a big fan of both PBF and Cotto..

PBF against Judah was incredible.. Judah was scared to throw punches as everytime he tried to throw Mayweather was landing..

Now against Cotto Judah was getting hit too.. but at the same time he was landing some big shots on Cotto..

Using this analysis I worry that Cotto's will to fight will make him susceptible to getting hit more than Judah did against Floyd but he'll also miss more shots against PBF which would've otherwise landed on Judah..

I'm not trying to be a prediction queen.. its just how I saw it.. I could easily be wrong..

GOOD ASSESMENT. NOW DON'T FORGET, JUDAH IS A SOUTHPAW. HE ALSO HITS ALOT HARDER THAN FLOYD AND IS A SLIGHT BIT FASTER. JUDAH DID AWESOME IN THE BEGINNING OF THE FLOYD FIGHT. COTTO HAS A GOOD STIFF JAB THAT HE SHOWED AGAINST MOSELY. I THINK THATS A BIG FACTOR INTO A FIGHT WITH FLOYD. GATTI LANDED A BUNCH OF JABS AT FIRST AGAINST FLOYD AND THEY WERE DEAD AND SLOW. HE ALSO MADE FLOYD MISS ALOT TOO. AT FIRST! FLOYD HAS EXPERIENCE AND SPEED SO....I THINK THE FIGHT NEEDS TO BE MADE. I CAN'T SEE THE PUERTO RICANS AS LOUD AS THE BRITS!

WHO DOES COTTO HAVE TO BEAT, KLITSCHKO TO GET A LEGIT SHOT? MOSELY WASN'T ENOUGH.

[PACZ]

Right, But If Zab Had Half A Heart And A Steady Chin And Faith In It It Would Have Been Different. But He Doesn't So....its History. Floyd Is Top In A Kind Of Weak Period At This Weight Class. He Has To Fight Cotto Because History Will Not Be Nice To Him.

[sambob]

GOOD ASSESMENT. NOW DON'T FORGET, JUDAH IS A SOUTHPAW. HE ALSO HITS ALOT HARDER THAN FLOYD AND IS A SLIGHT BIT FASTER. JUDAH DID AWESOME IN THE BEGINNING OF THE FLOYD FIGHT. COTTO HAS A GOOD STIFF JAB THAT HE SHOWED AGAINST MOSELY. I THINK THATS A BIG FACTOR INTO A FIGHT WITH FLOYD. GATTI LANDED A BUNCH OF JABS AT FIRST AGAINST FLOYD AND THEY WERE DEAD AND SLOW. HE ALSO MADE FLOYD MISS ALOT TOO. AT FIRST! FLOYD HAS EXPERIENCE AND SPEED SO....I THINK THE FIGHT NEEDS TO BE MADE. I CAN'T SEE THE PUERTO RICANS AS LOUD AS THE BRITS!

WHO DOES COTTO HAVE TO BEAT, KLITSCHKO TO GET A LEGIT SHOT? MOSELY WASN'T ENOUGH.

How can you say Judah hits 'a lot' harder than Floyd? Floyd has good power in both his hands. What is your reference point for comparing their power?

And are you CRAZY? I don't think Gatti landed more than 5 jabs in the entire FIGHT. You did not watch that fight, or if you did, you did it without your glasses on. Gatti did not make Floyd miss, thats ridiculous. Floyd's percentage of connected punches in that fight is RIDICULOUS. Its got to be over 50%

You have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

Unless your post was some kind of strange joke, in that case I apologise.

[sambob]

Right, But If Zab Had Half A Heart And A Steady Chin And Faith In It It Would Have Been Different. But He Doesn't So....its History. Floyd Is Top In A Kind Of Weak Period At This Weight Class. He Has To Fight Cotto Because History Will Not Be Nice To Him.

A weak period? There is tons of talent at 140-154 right now, ESEPECIALLY at 147. Even earlier in Floyd's career, there were pretty good guys at 130, great guys at 135, etc etc.

[PACZ]

Watch The Gatti Fight Again. And Zab Has No Heart. He Breaks Down Mentally In Fights. Maybe You Should Learn What Heart Really Is.

[BigReg]

Yes, Zab won 4 of the first 6 rounds, but he also won the 12th. Floyd didnt fight in the 12th. All he did was taunt Zab.

:huh Um, Zab won rounds 2 and 4, round 1 you could also give to him. However, round 3,5 and 6 were definately Mayweather rounds,

[PACZ]

judah quit without walking out of the ring. he quit right before he decided to hit floyd in the balls.

[Alo2006]

Judah won more rounds against Floyd than he did against Cotto. Judah caught Cotto with a good shot here and there, but there was never a point in the Cotto fight where he was dominating Cotto. Against Floyd, Judah won 4 of the first 6 rounds, and knocked Floyd down (even though the ref didnt count it).

Who knows how this fight would have turn out if Cotto didn't low blow Judah twice :yep

[PACZ]

Thats quiting....now your understanding.

[BigReg]

That's a pretty fair assesment. By the sound of some of the Floydboyz here, u would think Floyd won a 120-108 fight.

That would just be ridiculous, although one judge did score the fight 119-109

[PACZ]

Noooo, he went low on Floyd because he knew there was no way he could beat Floyd at that point.

You said it.

[BigReg]

Judah scored a KD against Floyd while winning three rounds.

Judah wobbled Cotto, but didn't get a KD, won 3 rounds and got KO'd.

DO THE MATH.

Judah never scored a KD.

[splatter69]

I agree, Judah is one of the best boxers when it comes to great starts. I can't remember seeing a fight where he didn't win the first 2 rounds atleast. Just like every fight he lost, he started great, then fell apart. Look at the fight we ZOO, Mayweather and Cotto. He won the first round clearly.

Missed only one that I can think of.

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[klion22]

i'll tell you what...

from the first 4 rounds of the fight, i though judah had a chance to actually school floyd, and skill for skill, he could've....but somewhere down the line, like always, judah crumbled and fucked it all up...i gave judah 4 clear rounds, plus a 10-8 one for the knockdown round....i think it was alot closer than what people make it out to be....

against cotto, judah did land some good punches every now and then...but never did i feel he was actually leading on the cards how i felt around the 6th or 7th of the floyd vs judah fight....

I agree with everything you said.

Yeah, in the PBF/Judah fight, it appeared that Judah was going to make it very competitive in the early rounds as his hand speed is just as fast as PBF's. But like you said, somewhere down the line, it all crumbled. I think it's just that PBF is a better boxer and has an overall better skill set. Duh, yeah i know but Judah has just as much raw talent as PBF. It's just that PBF is just the better boxer and it showed as the fight wore on.

[BigReg]

Well, if the ref wasn't blind it would've be OFFICIALLY scored a KD. Anyways the world know Floyd was KD'd in that fight.

All very true, but you said he scored a KD. You can only score a KD if it's official.

[sambob]

Well, if the ref wasn't blind it would've be OFFICIALLY scored a KD. Anyways the world know Floyd was KD'd in that fight.

But does it mean anything? Floyd wasn't hit that hard, he wasn't hurt, it was just as much a loss of balance as a knock down. Floyd obviously wasn't even slightly phased by it.

[freddy-wak]

this is what bothers me about floyd fans, they think the man is fucken perfect.....

never will they admit his flaws...

most of them dont know shit about boxing (ringmaster and eze), but whenever a floyd topic is brought up....there they go, cheering like girls

[KO Boxing]

I have Mayweather's performance against Judah as one of his VERY best in his whole career, and also think that Mayweather had an easier time with a better Judah than Cotto did. Both had trouble in the first few rounds, only to take over and dominate in the end, stopping their opponent (I'll explain later).

As much as I'm sure others will say otherwise, Mayweather-Judah was as much a TKO 11 as Cotto-Judah... For the blatant low blow Judah did (one of the worst I've seen in a LONG time) in round 10 was CLEARLY to prevent himself from being knocked out in round 11 (first and foremost, he woulda preferred to have been dq'ed than ko'd). No other explanation. And I won't forgive a dog, cause that was a completely dog move (by hitting a guy low in order to prevent yourself from being knocked out)... Watch rounds 8 and 9 and 10; Judah don't wanna be there no more... But of course someone's gonna try and defend his actions, yeah?

Cotto's performance against Judah was very very good, nonetheless.

[freddy-wak]

I have Mayweather's performance against Judah as one of his VERY best in his whole career, and also think that Mayweather had an easier time with a better Judah than Cotto did. Both had trouble in the first few rounds, only to take over and dominate in the end, stopping their opponent (I'll explain later).

As much as I'm sure others will say otherwise, Mayweather-Judah was as much a TKO 11 as Cotto-Judah... For the blatant low blow Judah did (one of the worst I've seen in a LONG time) in round 10 was CLEARLY to prevent himself from being knocked out in round 11 (first and foremost, he woulda preferred to have been dq'ed than ko'd). No other explanation. And I won't forgive a dog, cause that was a completely dog move (by hitting a guy low in order to prevent yourself from being knocked out)... Watch rounds 8 and 9 and 10; Judah don't wanna be there no more... But of course someone's gonna try and defend his actions, yeah?

Cotto's performance against Judah was very very good, nonetheless.

now the floydboys are changing a decision to a tko in the 11th :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

please man, floyd wouldn't of ko'd judah...ya'll are acting like if he was banging him from post to post....ahahahahahahhahaahah

the only thing that was going on was that floyd was actually clearly winning a round.....that's it

[maciek4]

This is my first post on the forum so perhaps I should probably not start arguing with people RIGHT away, but...





Did you even see rounds 8-10 in the fight with Floyd? Zab was moments away from being knocked out. The only time Floyd opens up with right hooks like that is when he's moments away from a knockout or stoppage, or at least thats how its been in his past fights.

You can say Cotto's performance looks more impressive in the record books, but if the action hadn't been stopped in Zab's fight with Floyd, then he would have scored a knockout as well, and it wouldn't matter. Comparing their performances against Zab doesn't mean much in my opinion because the outcome should have been the same (late round KO/TKO), and also because Zab fought the fights in two different styles. Against Floyd it seems to me he tried to be the aggressor, and against Cotto he tried to counterpunch (And landed a couple of beautiful uppercuts btw). Hard to really get much out of comparing the two fights in my opinion.



Zab may have won early rounds but it wasn't on clean punching, it was on aggression, he didn't land that much. In fact even though in the Cotto fight he still didnt land that much, its pretty clear Judah hurt Cotto more than he hurt Mayweather. One of those uppercuts seemed very effective.

And shit, what happened to 'styles makes fights'? Just cause fighter A beats fighter B blah blah blah..

Yes I watched the fight. He was close to being knocked down but you cant say he was def close to being taken out. He was knocked down by Cotto what 2 or 3 times. I remember Floyd being very cautious in that fight and only started landing clean punches in the second half while Cotto was relentless from the opening bell, walking him down and beating him up like he stole his wallet.

[Lindley]

I think Zab Judah has the skills, but lacks the dimensions of "the complete fighter". A complete fighter makes adjustments and has that ability to wear opponents down. I think both Cotto and Mayweather have this ability. I think that Zab should get a different trainer, someone who will push him to train harder for the long haul of the fight instead of just trying to impose his will so early. Zab can box, but he has too much attitude and ego. As was mentioned it was clear in Zab's fights, including Baldimor, that he comes to some point of decline. You can clearly see a tide change in those fights. With Mayweather, it was definitely that the accurate effective punches were coming if Zab moved his hands. With Cotto, the thunderous shots. And with Baldimor, it just looked like he tried too hard to score a knockout that he was "lost" (and fatigued) by the middle rounds. He should have easily boxed and jabbed his way to a victory over Baldimor for a win.

[maciek4]

I think Zab Judah has the skills, but lacks the dimensions of "the complete fighter". A complete fighter makes adjustments and has that ability to wear opponents down. I think both Cotto and Mayweather have this ability. I think that Zab should get a different trainer, someone who will push him to train harder for the long haul of the fight instead of just trying to impose his will so early. Zab can box, but he has too much attitude and ego. As was mentioned it was clear in Zab's fights, including Baldimor, that he comes to some point of decline. You can clearly see a tide change in those fights. With Mayweather, it was definitely that the accurate effective punches were coming if Zab moved his hands. With Cotto, the thunderous shots. And with Baldimor, it just looked like he tried too hard to score a knockout that he was "lost" (and fatigued) by the middle rounds. He should have easily boxed and jabbed his way to a victory over Baldimor for a win.

Zab has the talent but he is stupid. Look at Floyd he fights smart. He lets his opponents take initiating at the beginning and tries to figure them out, preserves the energy. When have you see Zab do that? He always starts off aggresively trying to take his opponent out in the first 4 rounds, then he has no plan B if plan A doesnt work.

[James]

Cotto took away's Judah's confidence and dominated in a much better fashion than Floyd did to Judah.

Floyd was getting smacked up, Cotto only got stunned once and recovered from there. After that he proceeded to dominate.

[pit]

Cotto took away's Judah's confidence and dominated in a much better fashion than Floyd did to Judah.

Floyd was getting smacked up, Cotto only got stunned once and recovered from there. After that he proceeded to dominate.

Jesus man ,, Floyd didn't have a mark on him , cotto almost got knocked and needed hit Zab low to keep him of him..

Floyd walked straight towards Zab and was never in any trouble , even the round he lost Floyd was in complete control of Zab

[James]

Jesus man ,, Floyd didn't have a mark on him , cotto almost got knocked and needed hit Zab low to keep him of him..

Floyd walked straight towards Zab and was never in any trouble , even the round he lost Floyd was in complete control of Zab

Stop making up bullshit; the low blow didn't really have much of impact on the fight, Cotto was going to dominate regardless with or with the low blow; if the low blow was such an impact why did Judah jump right back into the fight? Cotto got stunned but RECOVERED after, and Judah couldn't hit Cotto after that cause Cotto was making him countlessly. Please re-watch the fight.

Floyd would die on impact if he walked toward any of Cotto's punch. Cotto is a totally different level boxer. Floyd's weaknesses were expose in this fight for sure.

din0rds-EfI

[sambob]

Stop making up bullshit; the low blow didn't really have much of impact on the fight, Cotto was going to dominate regardless with or with the low blow; if the low blow was such an impact why did Judah jump right back into the fight? Cotto got stunned but RECOVERED after, and Judah couldn't hit Cotto after that cause Cotto was making him countlessly. Please re-watch the fight.

Floyd would die on impact if he walked toward any of Cotto's punch. Cotto is a totally different level boxer. Floyd's weaknesses were expose in this fight for sure.

din0rds-EfI

How can you say "stop making up bullshit" and then go on to say that Floyd would "die on impact" if Cotto caught him? And what are these weaknesses that were exposed in Floyd's fight?? If Judah exposed his weaknesses why did Mayweather nearly knock him out? Furthermore, so what if Floyd has a weakness?

Can Cotto exploit it?

[Theo]

how can you compare it? Cotto smashed Zab in the nuts so many times it was hardly a good reflection of a fight.

[Speak.King]

By Cotto, Zab was being beaten from pillar to post in the later rounds. Say what you wanna say about that beating and him running out of gas. If he was more offensive Zab wins the fight. He totally stop throwing. Credit to Cotto. But you just simply can't take a one-sided ass whipping.