View Full Version : Whats with the yanks and Kelly Pavlik??
This has totally got me stumped!!! He beats an overrated Miranda and Taylor (who simply got too comfortable and careless at the top of the division and prepared all wrong) and suddenly He is P4P material, fighter of the year and the best thing since sliced bread!! Before these 2 there is nothing special on his record!! And the sad thing is its not just the fans!! He is seriously appearing in the top 10 of many supposedly credible P4P lists!!!
Cmon yanks, give it up.
:roll: :patsch
PorkChopExpress
12-13-2007, 05:58 PM
Tell me about it. He's on P4P lists above the likes of Vasquez and other fighters with great records against better fighters (just one's you don't hear about everyday)...
They seriously think he's the best thing since oxygen sometimes and he's like fighter of the year etc etc...
Credit where credit is due, but c'mon. Be serious.
Boxrec has him above Calzaghe!! :patsch
What a joke!!
(not that i consider boxrec's P4P list in any way credible)
Dr Gonzo
12-13-2007, 07:39 PM
i hear what your saying but the fact of the matter is that he is the best middleweight in the world... partly because it is a weak division and partly because of his raw power and style. The only person i could see beating him at middleweight is possibly Winky - his defense might really frustrate Kelly. I think he would plough through Abraham and Sturm is a stinker. I have him in the top 20 p4p for sure but i agree with you that he isnt in the 10 - let alone above JC and Israel Vasquez
Kegsy
12-13-2007, 07:44 PM
I have Pavlik behind guys like Israel Vazquez on the Pound4Pound lists.
Still tho he is borderline top 10. He is an all action fighter, who whether you like it or not had a awesome 2007.
Beat top 15-20 contender Zertuche back in January, beat a legitamate top 5 contender in Edison Miranda & then beat the recognized Middleweight world champ Jermain Taylor.
Cant wait for next year so i can see more of The Ghost.
Easily 1 of my fav international fighters too.
the beaver
12-13-2007, 08:04 PM
Yeah the jury's still out on him i reckon.
He is a top fighter with a great 2007, but i want to see him in a few more big name fights before i include him in my top 10 p4p.
Calzaghe has been a champ for over 10 years and only recently entered top ten calculations. Kelly is on the right track but the accolades are too over the top at the minute.
I have Pavlik behind guys like Israel Vazquez on the Pound4Pound lists.
Still tho he is borderline top 10. He is an all action fighter, who whether you like it or not had a awesome 2007.
Beat top 15-20 contender Zertuche back in January, beat a legitamate top 5 contender in Edison Miranda & then beat the recognized Middleweight world champ Jermain Taylor.
Cant wait for next year so i can see more of The Ghost.
Easily 1 of my fav international fighters too.
So if Kat beats diaz should that elevate him to tope 10 P4P simply because he's an all action fighter who has beaten 1 worthy opponent???
Marcus
12-13-2007, 08:22 PM
Anyone except PBF above Israel Vazquez shouldnt be there.
Pavlik is a champ!! He isnt the Ring fighter of the year for nothing, he destroys fighters with huge power and his skills are very underrated.
I said it before, Pavlik will be underfeated for years to come.
Yeah the jury's still out on him i reckon.
He is a top fighter with a great 2007, but i want to see him in a few more big name fights before i include him in my top 10 p4p.
Calzaghe has been a champ for over 10 years and only recently entered top ten calculations. Kelly is on the right track but the accolades are too over the top at the minute.
he's not even in my top 20 TBH. To earn a top 10 spot a fighter needs to have multiple defences, maybe a 2nd weight division really showed some dominance. Simply because he is promising (and dont any of you get me wrong - I think he's a great fighter with lots of promise!!) and taken 1 major player down (I think miranda is way overrated), that isnt even CLOSE to earning him a P4P spot!!
Kegsy
12-13-2007, 08:37 PM
So if Kat beats diaz should that elevate him to tope 10 P4P simply because he's an all action fighter who has beaten 1 worthy opponent???:lol:
Not quite for Katsidis just yet.
If he did pull it off shit he would be close to top 20 thats 4 sure.
Kegsy
12-13-2007, 08:39 PM
Anyone except PBF above Israel Vazquez shouldnt be there.
Pavlik is a champ!! He isnt the Ring fighter of the year for nothing, he destroys fighters with huge power and his skills are very underrated.
I said it before, Pavlik will be underfeated for years to come.Good to see im not the only Kelly Pavlik fan.:deal
Dr Gonzo
12-13-2007, 09:09 PM
im a big fan of the ghost. I think the extra weight in the Taylor rematch will favour him well.
How does he go at 168? I would love to see him fight Kessler - it would be a brawl
Dr Gonzo
12-13-2007, 09:19 PM
id like to see him fight some fringe/good fighters yet. too soon to put him in with kessler etc. give him time...
for sure :good but might be interesting in the future
someone like Tsypko would be a good start
Bobby
12-13-2007, 09:31 PM
i think pavlik is a very good fighter, and he will continue to dominate, but i do think its a little early for top 10 p4p
All american white boy, with KO power. What's not to like?
Yeh Im a fan of him too guys, but SERIOUSLY, he's done nothing special to be a P4P contender. Yes he will do great things next year etc but it doesnt give him the right to claim P4P supremacy just yet. IT'd be no different to saying Nonito Donaire Should be top 20 P4P for knocking vic off his throne.
Anyone except PBF above Israel Vazquez shouldnt be there.
Pavlik is a champ!! He isnt the Ring fighter of the year for nothing, he destroys fighters with huge power and his skills are very underrated.
I said it before, Pavlik will be underfeated for years to come.He doesnt have much skill.
Marcus
12-13-2007, 11:33 PM
He doesnt have much skill.
I didnt see Taylor calling it a fluke :yep
I didnt see Taylor calling it a fluke :yepnor would he when his defence allowed him to get hit with that shot.
Few rounds earlier Pavlik was almost a sleep on the canvas
Marcus
12-14-2007, 12:48 AM
nor would he when his defence allowed him to get hit with that shot.
Few rounds earlier Pavlik was almost a sleep on the canvas
Get the fuck outta here!! You sure you watched the fight!!!
Its was a good punch that got through, you wanna see two guys standing toe to toe and fight dont you?
And he was on the deck for 5 seconds all up, and on his knees not his back. (sounds like a normal saturday night for you teke)
Dr Gonzo
12-14-2007, 12:49 AM
Get the fuck outta here!! You sure you watched the fight!!!
Its was a good punch that got through, you wanna see two guys standing toe to toe and fight dont you?
And he was on the deck for 5 seconds all up, and on his knees not his back. (sounds like a normal saturday night for you teke)
snap!
pecks
12-14-2007, 01:02 AM
He's had a super year and deserves to scrape in to the top 10 p4p. What was Taylor ranked, 4 or 5 p4p? or around there? Hatton broke into the p4p top 10 in similar style so I don't think it's fair to call it American bias.
the beaver
12-14-2007, 01:30 AM
Kessler wld beat Pavlik and Kess is not rated top 10 p4p.
Marcus
12-14-2007, 01:31 AM
Kessler wld beat Pavlik and Kess is not rated top 10 p4p.
Would, should, but hasn't
pecks
12-14-2007, 01:34 AM
Kessler wld beat Pavlik and Kess is not rated top 10 p4p.Yes, he would, but Pavlik KO'd a top 10 p4p fighter.
the beaver
12-14-2007, 01:35 AM
Would, should, but hasn't
Strangely enough..... wld, shld, but hasn't happens a lot in boxing mate.
bushboy
12-14-2007, 02:11 AM
Great white Hope
Dekkers
12-14-2007, 03:14 AM
Well I was never high on Taylor, I suppose if people rated Taylor than he deserves to scrape in, never thought that much of Taylor (atleast not top 10 P4P), he got a quite a few questionable decisions over smaller and past prime competition during his reign.
The Miranda fight was more impressive but i'm not convinced he's the best middleweight in the world until Abraham falls or Pavlik disposes of him himself (in which case he'll also be in my top 10 P4P), he doesn't strike me as being as formidable as a lot of other belt holders at other weights (Guzman, Mijares, etc).
pecks
12-14-2007, 03:23 AM
Well I was never high on Taylor, I suppose if people rated Taylor than he deserves to scrape in, never thought that much of Taylor (atleast not top 10 P4P), he got a quite a few questionable decisions over smaller and past prime competition during his reign.
The Miranda fight was more impressive but i'm not convinced he's the best middleweight in the world until Abraham falls or Pavlik disposes of him himself (in which case he'll also be in my top 10 P4P), he doesn't strike me as being as formidable as a lot of other belt holders at other weights (Guzman, Mijares, etc).Yeah, I agree too. He's kind of fortunate that he scored a fight with Taylor.
Pavlik has had a good year though, not fighter of the year imo, I'd probably give that to Mayweather.
I'll say this though, if Pavlik goes up to 168, he'll have a real hard time winning a title.
jammerdk
12-14-2007, 03:54 AM
Kessler wld beat Pavlik and Kess is not rated top 10 p4p.
:good And I'm for one that doesn't give a shit about the p4p list...pure bullocks anyway!!!
ozziebattler
12-14-2007, 04:20 AM
I think Kelly is a good fighter who lets his fists do the talking for him.
Obviously him being a white fella from the workingclass helps with his image, which could be the reason for him(in some people's opinion)being overrated.
Alot of people jumped on his bandwagon after the Taylor fight,and alot of them didnt even know who he was what so ever prior to the miranda bout.
Makes you laugh.
T.C.W
12-14-2007, 08:28 AM
This has totally got me stumped!!! He beats an overrated Miranda and Taylor (who simply got too comfortable and careless at the top of the division and prepared all wrong) and suddenly He is P4P material, fighter of the year and the best thing since sliced bread!! Before these 2 there is nothing special on his record!! And the sad thing is its not just the fans!! He is seriously appearing in the top 10 of many supposedly credible P4P lists!!!
Cmon yanks, give it up.
:roll: :patschyou are joking right, the beat one of the best 160 in last 20 years
Get the fuck outta here!! You sure you watched the fight!!!
Its was a good punch that got through, you wanna see two guys standing toe to toe and fight dont you?
And he was on the deck for 5 seconds all up, and on his knees not his back. (sounds like a normal saturday night for you teke):lol:
Bit touchy about Pavlik are we. He has had a good year, dont expect too much from him though.
Yes, he would, but Pavlik KO'd a top 10 p4p fighter.
So did donaire!! and he doesnt even get a mention in the top 30 P4P.
So you could call it american bias in a sense.
So did donaire!! and he doesnt even get a mention in the top 30 P4P.
So you could call it american bias in a sense.
Vic was never a top 10 p4per.
I like Pavlik but yes he is quite overrated.
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